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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by top on Apr 9, 2008 16:34:42 GMT 1, Why wait ten years? ..bizarre (if true..)
Why wait ten years? ..bizarre (if true..)
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by mcster on Apr 9, 2008 16:37:10 GMT 1, Why wait ten years? ..bizarre (if true..)
That's what I thought, I've fallen out with people over some really serious things in the past, but ten years later they don't seem to matter quite as much.
Why wait ten years? ..bizarre (if true..) That's what I thought, I've fallen out with people over some really serious things in the past, but ten years later they don't seem to matter quite as much.
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by robotoil on Apr 9, 2008 16:40:35 GMT 1, Banksy Did It. Mear One is one of the most obnoxious, egotistical, bastard street artist's out there, and that's saying alot for a Los Angeles writer! In group show situations, he should be careful of whose work he moves off the wall and tosses to the ground to replace with his own. Banksy did this as an act of solidarity with another artist, from an incident that happened almost a decade ago. Every project that Mear is involved with collectively with other artist's goes sour very quickly. Furthermore, he's NOT a good artist. What is it about this piece that is technically advanced, or particularly witty? Nothing. I'll reserve judgement on the new piece, but considering what I've seen in the past, it won't be anything great, I'm sure. Mear is never in the same league, and will never be in the same league. This is the controversy you wanted by calling him out like this, so hear you go. Banksy says Mear Sucks! Good Luck selling prints now that you've made it public knowledge on this board. You would be wise to distance yourself from Mear right now, he's not going anywhere in the grand scheme of the art world. I assure you.
What happened a decade ago? What collaborations are you referring to?
Banksy Did It. Mear One is one of the most obnoxious, egotistical, bastard street artist's out there, and that's saying alot for a Los Angeles writer! In group show situations, he should be careful of whose work he moves off the wall and tosses to the ground to replace with his own. Banksy did this as an act of solidarity with another artist, from an incident that happened almost a decade ago. Every project that Mear is involved with collectively with other artist's goes sour very quickly. Furthermore, he's NOT a good artist. What is it about this piece that is technically advanced, or particularly witty? Nothing. I'll reserve judgement on the new piece, but considering what I've seen in the past, it won't be anything great, I'm sure. Mear is never in the same league, and will never be in the same league. This is the controversy you wanted by calling him out like this, so hear you go. Banksy says Mear Sucks! Good Luck selling prints now that you've made it public knowledge on this board. You would be wise to distance yourself from Mear right now, he's not going anywhere in the grand scheme of the art world. I assure you. What happened a decade ago? What collaborations are you referring to?
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by Baurmann Gallery on Apr 10, 2008 6:49:52 GMT 1, Banksy Did It. Mear One is one of the most obnoxious, egotistical, bastard street artist's out there, and that's saying alot for a Los Angeles writer! In group show situations, he should be careful of whose work he moves off the wall and tosses to the ground to replace with his own. Banksy did this as an act of solidarity with another artist, from an incident that happened almost a decade ago. Every project that Mear is involved with collectively with other artist's goes sour very quickly. Furthermore, he's NOT a good artist. What is it about this piece that is technically advanced, or particularly witty? Nothing. I'll reserve judgement on the new piece, but considering what I've seen in the past, it won't be anything great, I'm sure. Mear is never in the same league, and will never be in the same league. This is the controversy you wanted by calling him out like this, so hear you go. Banksy says Mear Sucks! Good Luck selling prints now that you've made it public knowledge on this board. You would be wise to distance yourself from Mear right now, he's not going anywhere in the grand scheme of the art world. I assure you.
The beauty of these forums is that everyone can have an opinion, express it and share it with the world and not everyone has to see eye to eye. If you do not like MEAR or his art, then that is your opinion and nothing I can say can sway that. I personally disagree strongly on your assertions, but everyone definitely has different tastes in art and opinions of what is good or not.
You are also welcome to think he is going nowhere, but more than your opinion impacts the art world. I prefer to let the people decide, and the support we have received so far has been one of the things MEAR and I have appreciated and valued most. We have put in tremendous time and effort into all of our endeavors, and will continue to do so. Like I said, you are entitled to your opinion, but we will see what people in general say about MEAR and his art. And MEAR, though he loves it when he receives support and kind words, regardless of whatever is said by anyone [me included], whether it makes him rich or leaves him dirt poor he is going to continue to do his art and stay true to what he has always done, and that is bring a powerful message to the world.
In terms of the “incident” you spoke of, you definitely have some interesting insider knowledge but hypothetically if that was what the whole thing was based on, it does not justify going over someone’s hard work in my opinion. That “incident” you spoke of was pretty trivial, so though you do have insight into something minor that happened and not many people know about it, I am still not convinced you have any association with Banksy. My main problem with what you say is how does anyone or I even know what you say is legitimate or just some anonymous person? I am out here standing behind everything I say with my name, if you are going to call someone out or make such bold statements, at you can have the respect to not do it anonymously [like whomever defaced MEAR’s last mural did as well].
Here is the new completed mural for anyone who may be interested:
Banksy Did It. Mear One is one of the most obnoxious, egotistical, bastard street artist's out there, and that's saying alot for a Los Angeles writer! In group show situations, he should be careful of whose work he moves off the wall and tosses to the ground to replace with his own. Banksy did this as an act of solidarity with another artist, from an incident that happened almost a decade ago. Every project that Mear is involved with collectively with other artist's goes sour very quickly. Furthermore, he's NOT a good artist. What is it about this piece that is technically advanced, or particularly witty? Nothing. I'll reserve judgement on the new piece, but considering what I've seen in the past, it won't be anything great, I'm sure. Mear is never in the same league, and will never be in the same league. This is the controversy you wanted by calling him out like this, so hear you go. Banksy says Mear Sucks! Good Luck selling prints now that you've made it public knowledge on this board. You would be wise to distance yourself from Mear right now, he's not going anywhere in the grand scheme of the art world. I assure you. The beauty of these forums is that everyone can have an opinion, express it and share it with the world and not everyone has to see eye to eye. If you do not like MEAR or his art, then that is your opinion and nothing I can say can sway that. I personally disagree strongly on your assertions, but everyone definitely has different tastes in art and opinions of what is good or not. You are also welcome to think he is going nowhere, but more than your opinion impacts the art world. I prefer to let the people decide, and the support we have received so far has been one of the things MEAR and I have appreciated and valued most. We have put in tremendous time and effort into all of our endeavors, and will continue to do so. Like I said, you are entitled to your opinion, but we will see what people in general say about MEAR and his art. And MEAR, though he loves it when he receives support and kind words, regardless of whatever is said by anyone [me included], whether it makes him rich or leaves him dirt poor he is going to continue to do his art and stay true to what he has always done, and that is bring a powerful message to the world. In terms of the “incident” you spoke of, you definitely have some interesting insider knowledge but hypothetically if that was what the whole thing was based on, it does not justify going over someone’s hard work in my opinion. That “incident” you spoke of was pretty trivial, so though you do have insight into something minor that happened and not many people know about it, I am still not convinced you have any association with Banksy. My main problem with what you say is how does anyone or I even know what you say is legitimate or just some anonymous person? I am out here standing behind everything I say with my name, if you are going to call someone out or make such bold statements, at you can have the respect to not do it anonymously [like whomever defaced MEAR’s last mural did as well]. Here is the new completed mural for anyone who may be interested:
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by mcster on Apr 10, 2008 7:55:36 GMT 1, Nice work. I looked on MEAR's site yesterday (for the first time ever I hasten to add) and was impressed by what I saw. Having no idea what all the fuss is about, or how true or serious it was, I'll judge the art rather than the comments...
Nice work. I looked on MEAR's site yesterday (for the first time ever I hasten to add) and was impressed by what I saw. Having no idea what all the fuss is about, or how true or serious it was, I'll judge the art rather than the comments...
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by top on Apr 10, 2008 9:33:32 GMT 1, Well, that's the talent bit silenced..
Incredible mural
Well, that's the talent bit silenced..
Incredible mural
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by BME on Apr 10, 2008 10:23:34 GMT 1, Well, that's the talent bit silenced.. Incredible mural
Okay, I can see I'm in the minority here but I think that the mural is horrible. There are a growing number of artists in the scene feeding off the general frenzy who contribute very little. From what I have seen on this thread MEAR is a prime example. The piece is tolerably executed but nothing more. It lacks humour as well as political/ social insight. Above all it's boring.
I actually feel that (with a handful of exceptions) the quality of new material/ releases this years has been fairly poor. Dface draws wings on something else, Beejoir trots out his starving child again (albeit for a good cause) etc. The market at the moment is 90% hype and 10% talent. It won't last.
Well, that's the talent bit silenced.. Incredible mural Okay, I can see I'm in the minority here but I think that the mural is horrible. There are a growing number of artists in the scene feeding off the general frenzy who contribute very little. From what I have seen on this thread MEAR is a prime example. The piece is tolerably executed but nothing more. It lacks humour as well as political/ social insight. Above all it's boring. I actually feel that (with a handful of exceptions) the quality of new material/ releases this years has been fairly poor. Dface draws wings on something else, Beejoir trots out his starving child again (albeit for a good cause) etc. The market at the moment is 90% hype and 10% talent. It won't last.
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by timba82 on Apr 10, 2008 10:32:14 GMT 1, this is a farce!!! for gods sake its probably some kid trying to make a name for himself amongst his mates. do you really think banksy needs to do this to get publicity??? i mean please??!!!!!! i completely disagree the lettering looks similar at all! your disrespecting all of banksy's previous work by putting this crap defacing on his head. stop throwing rumours about when i could be anyone. literally anyone!
this is a farce!!! for gods sake its probably some kid trying to make a name for himself amongst his mates. do you really think banksy needs to do this to get publicity??? i mean please??!!!!!! i completely disagree the lettering looks similar at all! your disrespecting all of banksy's previous work by putting this crap defacing on his head. stop throwing rumours about when i could be anyone. literally anyone!
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by timba82 on Apr 10, 2008 10:33:41 GMT 1, .....sorry....it could be anyone ^^^^^^
.....sorry....it could be anyone ^^^^^^
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by seidbereit on Apr 10, 2008 10:46:08 GMT 1, Well, that's the talent bit silenced.. Incredible mural Okay, I can see I'm in the minority here but I think that the mural is horrible. There are a growing number of artists in the scene feeding off the general frenzy who contribute very little. From what I have seen on this thread MEAR is a prime example. The piece is tolerably executed but nothing more. It lacks humour as well as political/ social insight. Above all it's boring. I actually feel that (with a handful of exceptions) the quality of new material/ releases this years has been fairly poor. Dface draws wings on something else, Beejoir trots out his starving child again (albeit for a good cause) etc. The market at the moment is 90% hype and 10% talent. It won't last.
You're not quite on your own in that minority Bomb Middle England (if it is a minority at all) as that mural does nothing for me either. In fact I find it more than a little derogatory.
Everyone knows what's said about first impressions and I have to say my first impression of what the Dalai Lama is supposedly saying in that piece is "our land and our freedom to practice our way of life has been ravaged and destroyed by an aggressive occupying nation but hey, it's cool".
I doubt very much indeed that this is how the people affected by those issues really feel. Execution wise fine, but it certainly doesn't stand out from anything an enormous amount of other graffiti and mural artists can produce and have produce for decades; message wise though it's definitely high, wide and not very handsome. At least I now understand the meaning behind "bad art hurts everyone", seems it wasn't quite so arbitrary or petty after all.
Well, that's the talent bit silenced.. Incredible mural Okay, I can see I'm in the minority here but I think that the mural is horrible. There are a growing number of artists in the scene feeding off the general frenzy who contribute very little. From what I have seen on this thread MEAR is a prime example. The piece is tolerably executed but nothing more. It lacks humour as well as political/ social insight. Above all it's boring. I actually feel that (with a handful of exceptions) the quality of new material/ releases this years has been fairly poor. Dface draws wings on something else, Beejoir trots out his starving child again (albeit for a good cause) etc. The market at the moment is 90% hype and 10% talent. It won't last. You're not quite on your own in that minority Bomb Middle England (if it is a minority at all) as that mural does nothing for me either. In fact I find it more than a little derogatory. Everyone knows what's said about first impressions and I have to say my first impression of what the Dalai Lama is supposedly saying in that piece is "our land and our freedom to practice our way of life has been ravaged and destroyed by an aggressive occupying nation but hey, it's cool". I doubt very much indeed that this is how the people affected by those issues really feel. Execution wise fine, but it certainly doesn't stand out from anything an enormous amount of other graffiti and mural artists can produce and have produce for decades; message wise though it's definitely high, wide and not very handsome. At least I now understand the meaning behind "bad art hurts everyone", seems it wasn't quite so arbitrary or petty after all.
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by Daniel Silk on Apr 10, 2008 11:07:29 GMT 1, I think this would make a nice print ;D
Not sure it would sell so well in some parts of China though ;D
I think this would make a nice print ;D Not sure it would sell so well in some parts of China though ;D
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by Daniel Silk on Apr 10, 2008 11:10:20 GMT 1, The fact the Mear has used the Dalai Lama and whole free Tibet campaign for the subject is great, but every thing you have said on this thread goes against the values of this issue...... Peace, Love and freedom of expression. So as for me I think the mural is very weak as there is no substance to the message, which is being pimped by a bitter gallery owner and Artist trying at every step to get more publicity.
Peace, Love and freedom of expression?
The fact the Mear has used the Dalai Lama and whole free Tibet campaign for the subject is great, but every thing you have said on this thread goes against the values of this issue...... Peace, Love and freedom of expression. So as for me I think the mural is very weak as there is no substance to the message, which is being pimped by a bitter gallery owner and Artist trying at every step to get more publicity. Peace, Love and freedom of expression?
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by form01 on Apr 10, 2008 11:10:44 GMT 1, The fact the Mear has used the Dalai Lama and the whole free Tibet campaign for the subject is great, but every thing you have said on this thread goes against the values of this issue...... Peace, Love and freedom of expression.
So as for me I think the mural is very weak as there is no substance to the message, which is being pimped by a bitter gallery owner and Artist trying at every step to get more publicity.
The fact the Mear has used the Dalai Lama and the whole free Tibet campaign for the subject is great, but every thing you have said on this thread goes against the values of this issue...... Peace, Love and freedom of expression.
So as for me I think the mural is very weak as there is no substance to the message, which is being pimped by a bitter gallery owner and Artist trying at every step to get more publicity.
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by seidbereit on Apr 10, 2008 11:13:27 GMT 1, Hmmm... how come the last two posts seem to appear in the wrong order?
Hmmm... how come the last two posts seem to appear in the wrong order?
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by Daniel Silk on Apr 10, 2008 11:15:25 GMT 1, Hmmm... how come the last two posts seem to appear in the wrong order?
I wondered that too
Post was deleted, and then reposted.
Hmmm... how come the last two posts seem to appear in the wrong order? I wondered that too Post was deleted, and then reposted.
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by form01 on Apr 10, 2008 11:19:13 GMT 1, Had sort out the spelling
Had sort out the spelling
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by seidbereit on Apr 10, 2008 11:45:13 GMT 1, Ah... phew, I thought I'd slipped into the matrix
Ah... phew, I thought I'd slipped into the matrix
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by form01 on Apr 10, 2008 11:49:01 GMT 1, Sorry......... I was getting carried away with my rant
Sorry......... I was getting carried away with my rant
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by top on Apr 10, 2008 12:01:53 GMT 1, I think it would be a good idea if MEAR himself wrote his own opinion here..just to stop anyone from 'second guessing' what is meant by the Dalai piece.
I do however realise, that it can, and does, mean different things to different people as we are discovering ( discussion is great isn't it?!) and, others viewpoints can often bring out further pieces of priceless information/relevance/truth (etc) unseen, and unable to be communicated by just one person alone.
We will all interpret it differently to some degree I'm sure..thank goodness!
No matter what atrocities have been committed to the Tibetan people (as well as all other areas of the world where people are treated inhumanely ..etc etc..)
I perceive (part of the message to be) that it suggests that Dalai Lama is still smiling, safe in the knowledge (according to Buddhism etc) that the soul can never be harmed.
Here is an excerpt from the 14th Dalai Lama's biography:
In explaining his greatest sources of inspiration, he often cites a favorite verse, found in the writings of the renowned eighth century Buddhist saint Shantideva:
For as long as space endures And for as long as living beings remain, Until then may I too abide To dispel the misery of the world.
For as long as space endures And for as long as living beings remain, Until then may I too abide To dispel the misery of the world.
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I dont think MEAR is a Buddhist though!
elaborate and misinterpret if you so wish..its all welcome!
I think it would be a good idea if MEAR himself wrote his own opinion here..just to stop anyone from 'second guessing' what is meant by the Dalai piece.
I do however realise, that it can, and does, mean different things to different people as we are discovering ( discussion is great isn't it?!) and, others viewpoints can often bring out further pieces of priceless information/relevance/truth (etc) unseen, and unable to be communicated by just one person alone.
We will all interpret it differently to some degree I'm sure..thank goodness!
No matter what atrocities have been committed to the Tibetan people (as well as all other areas of the world where people are treated inhumanely ..etc etc..)
I perceive (part of the message to be) that it suggests that Dalai Lama is still smiling, safe in the knowledge (according to Buddhism etc) that the soul can never be harmed.
Here is an excerpt from the 14th Dalai Lama's biography:
In explaining his greatest sources of inspiration, he often cites a favorite verse, found in the writings of the renowned eighth century Buddhist saint Shantideva:
For as long as space endures And for as long as living beings remain, Until then may I too abide To dispel the misery of the world.
For as long as space endures And for as long as living beings remain, Until then may I too abide To dispel the misery of the world.
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I dont think MEAR is a Buddhist though!
elaborate and misinterpret if you so wish..its all welcome!
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by Guest on Apr 10, 2008 20:34:21 GMT 1, What a weird thread. I highly doubt that Banksy would do that to the mural. After all, they are kind of in the same circle of friends. They both have printed in the same studio in LA, and they are tight with the same people. I would just chalk it up to your typical immature Vandal child.
Now, with that out of the way, the new mural looks very nice. Certainly is a great update to the previous one.
Best of Luck guys, but you had to know that to bring these kinds of questions to an open forum would start all kinds of rumours and conjecture, but that's just my .02 cents...
Thanks for posting the image of the new mural. In this case and in my opinion only, the artwork is eclipsed by the message. Dalai Lama: My Man... Holdin' it Down!!!
What a weird thread. I highly doubt that Banksy would do that to the mural. After all, they are kind of in the same circle of friends. They both have printed in the same studio in LA, and they are tight with the same people. I would just chalk it up to your typical immature Vandal child.
Now, with that out of the way, the new mural looks very nice. Certainly is a great update to the previous one.
Best of Luck guys, but you had to know that to bring these kinds of questions to an open forum would start all kinds of rumours and conjecture, but that's just my .02 cents...
Thanks for posting the image of the new mural. In this case and in my opinion only, the artwork is eclipsed by the message. Dalai Lama: My Man... Holdin' it Down!!!
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by kingleopald on Apr 10, 2008 21:38:21 GMT 1, can't believe this thread is still running...
can't believe this thread is still running...
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by Baurmann Gallery on Apr 11, 2008 0:26:46 GMT 1, Here is the completed mural with a straight on picture:
Basically, It is MEAR’s commentary right now on the human rights violations occurring and crackdown on political opposition in Tibet and China. It is also his response to how the Chinese government has depicted the Dalai Lama in less than peaceful ways throughout the crackdowns and the many accusations of him escalating the violence.
MEAR said:
“I was interpreting the Dalai Lama in a peaceful representation inspiring peace in the Chinese military and peace and freedom in Tibet.”
“In the mural, an invasion of Chinese soldiers [like has been occuring throughout Tibet] is surrounding the Dalai Lama, but the Dali Lama is radiating such a powerful and peaceful energy he is making them change their current course of action [of violence and oppression] and submit to the oneness of the universe and the oneness of humanity.”
Here is the completed mural with a straight on picture: Basically, It is MEAR’s commentary right now on the human rights violations occurring and crackdown on political opposition in Tibet and China. It is also his response to how the Chinese government has depicted the Dalai Lama in less than peaceful ways throughout the crackdowns and the many accusations of him escalating the violence. MEAR said: “I was interpreting the Dalai Lama in a peaceful representation inspiring peace in the Chinese military and peace and freedom in Tibet.” “In the mural, an invasion of Chinese soldiers [like has been occuring throughout Tibet] is surrounding the Dalai Lama, but the Dali Lama is radiating such a powerful and peaceful energy he is making them change their current course of action [of violence and oppression] and submit to the oneness of the universe and the oneness of humanity.”
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by Daniel Silk on Apr 11, 2008 20:57:24 GMT 1, This thread is for forum Members to post photos of Mear One's art on the streets ;D
PHOTOS ONLY PLEASE and MAXIMUM THREE IMAGES PER POST
This thread is for forum Members to post photos of Mear One's art on the streets ;D PHOTOS ONLY PLEASE and MAXIMUM THREE IMAGES PER POST
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by Baurmann Gallery on Apr 25, 2008 0:11:11 GMT 1, Here are some photos of the Dalai Lama mural in progress:
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by Baurmann Gallery on Apr 25, 2008 0:12:05 GMT 1, Here are a few more photos:
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by top on Apr 25, 2008 0:16:16 GMT 1, Thanks Derek! ..nice pics
Thanks Derek! ..nice pics
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by Baurmann Gallery on May 2, 2008 18:28:04 GMT 1, Day 1 of the Dalai Lama mural:
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by Daniel Silk on May 2, 2008 18:34:57 GMT 1, Here is the completed mural with a straight on picture: Basically, It is MEAR’s commentary right now on the human rights violations occurring and crackdown on political opposition in Tibet and China. It is also his response to how the Chinese government has depicted the Dalai Lama in less than peaceful ways throughout the crackdowns and the many accusations of him escalating the violence. MEAR said: “I was interpreting the Dalai Lama in a peaceful representation inspiring peace in the Chinese military and peace and freedom in Tibet.” “In the mural, an invasion of Chinese soldiers [like has been occuring throughout Tibet] is surrounding the Dalai Lama, but the Dali Lama is radiating such a powerful and peaceful energy he is making them change their current course of action [of violence and oppression] and submit to the oneness of the universe and the oneness of humanity.”
Just set this one as the wallpaper on my computer ;D
Here is the completed mural with a straight on picture: Basically, It is MEAR’s commentary right now on the human rights violations occurring and crackdown on political opposition in Tibet and China. It is also his response to how the Chinese government has depicted the Dalai Lama in less than peaceful ways throughout the crackdowns and the many accusations of him escalating the violence. MEAR said: “I was interpreting the Dalai Lama in a peaceful representation inspiring peace in the Chinese military and peace and freedom in Tibet.” “In the mural, an invasion of Chinese soldiers [like has been occuring throughout Tibet] is surrounding the Dalai Lama, but the Dali Lama is radiating such a powerful and peaceful energy he is making them change their current course of action [of violence and oppression] and submit to the oneness of the universe and the oneness of humanity.” Just set this one as the wallpaper on my computer ;D
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by Heavyconsumer on May 10, 2008 4:56:19 GMT 1, absolutely breath-taking!
absolutely breath-taking!
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Mear One 🇺🇸 Street Art • New Print Release , by walters on May 10, 2008 6:08:34 GMT 1, fucking GREAT thread.well done.
fucking GREAT thread.well done.
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