[hendrix]

One for nuart.

Hyperbole (pronounced /haɪˈpɝbəli/ or "hy-PER-buh-lee"; "HY-per-bowl" is a mispronunciation) is a figure of speech in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, and is not meant to be taken literally.

The modern slang term hype, in its usage as meaning extravagant publicity, may be derived from the word hyperbole.

[Daniel Silk]

hendrix said:

One for nuart.

Hyperbole (pronounced /haɪˈpɝbəli/ or "hy-PER-buh-lee"; "HY-per-bowl" is a mispronunciation) is a figure of speech in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, and is not meant to be taken literally.

The modern slang term hype, in its usage as meaning extravagant publicity, may be derived from the word hyperbole.

Does a word like that exist for negative hype too?

[scavos]

Well I'm f**ked if I'm going to feel guilty about discussing and appreciating (as opposed to hyping) any artist on this forum.

Not sure why anyone would feel the incessant need to criticise those that do talk about an artist just because they personally don't like their work. I find debate and criticism of the art itself really interesting but the little digs seem a little controlling to me.

If people choose to praise an artist and say how 'great' they think their artwork is then surely they can do so without being patronised or being accused of blind adulation.

Is it any wonder why some lurkers feel intimidated to post?

'Great' print Silky. Really looking forward to receiving mine from a very kind forum member sometime soon. I'll check out your vid when I get home. Happy days! ;D

[Daniel Silk]

scavos said:

Well I'm f**ked if I'm going to feel guilty about discussing and appreciating (as opposed to hyping) any artist on this forum.

Not sure why anyone would feel the incessant need to criticise those that do talk about an artist just because they personally don't like their work. I find debate and criticism of the art itself really interesting but the little digs seem a little controlling to me.

If people choose to praise an artist and say how 'great' they think their artwork is then surely they can do so without being patronised or being accused of blind adulation.

Is it any wonder why some lurkers feel intimidated to post?

'Great' print Silky. Really looking forward to receiving mine from a very kind forum member sometime soon. I'll check out your vid when I get home. Happy days! ;D

Scavos, Thank you!

[rhodesy2112]

Sorry mate, I'm perhaps being unnecessarily sarcastic regarding Guy Denning. He's a professional artists, solid set of ethics and a nice manifesto..stylistically it's just a bridge too far for me. I guess the hype from certain members on here just sets me off.

Good luck to the man.[/quote]

Yeh, cos you can't stand hype can you Nu...

[numusic]

rhodesy2112 said:

Sorry mate, I'm perhaps being unnecessarily sarcastic regarding Guy Denning. He's a professional artists, solid set of ethics and a nice manifesto..stylistically it's just a bridge too far for me. I guess the hype from certain members on here just sets me off.

Good luck to the man.

Yeh, cos you can't stand hype can you Nu...[/quote]

See, this is the problem ain't it, I take it you own a Denning or two then ? So when anyone tries to discuss the merits or otherwise of certain artists introduced to the forum, the ones who own it get all panicky that any negative comments or discussions will devalue their investment..

So come then.. what ya got Fusseh

[Coach]

surely not everyone who owns a piece of someoenes work, denning or otherwise, is hyping their work, if they comment positivly on that artists talents.

[rhodesy2112]

Discussion would be fine Nu, but as you said, you're just being unnecassarily sarcastic. I don't like most of the half baked toss you were touting at Pooart earlier this year, but felt no need to deride it. Do I own some Dennings?? Yes, just as you own some Banksy's. The difference is, none of mine are photographs that I bought off e-bay. ;D

[Daniel Silk]

dropout said:

surely not everyone who owns a piece of someone's work, denning or otherwise, is hyping their work, if they comment positivly on that artists talents.

Spot on! ;D

I suspect I'm the one getting accused of hyping artists Hype is not what I would call it If I like an artists work I'm not afraid to say it, and thats how it should be ;D I don't own any Jef Aerosol, so am I still allowed to say I like his work? am I allowed to run his Fans forum? I don't own any Logan Hicks, am I allowed to say I like his work? and the list goes on and on
So what are the reasons for me making posts to say I like these artists work? Nu? anyone? Shall I ask peoples permission before I'm allowed to post my positive opinion on an artists work?

[Rourke]

I have only just got into Guy Denning, I have had a sheltered life.
But what I have seen I think he has a unbelievable talent

[Daniel Silk]

bigman said:

its all about choice and different opinions if we all liked the same we would have no one getting prints of every artist!!(s**t that would be) don't worry silky he seems to have it in for these sort of posts.
if i don't like an artist/thread about something its simple I DO NOT READ IT not moan that there are to many posts about it.

Thanks Bigman

Yep! thats what a real forum is about ;D We are all given choices, different Galleries, different Artists, different styles ;D Its all about placing the options in front of people and letting THEM make the decision's. ALL Galleries and Artists are welcome to come on here and tell us about what they have to offer, coz thats how it should be. Thats how this place is gonna stay! so if anyone wants to only be a member here just to try and destroy artists just coz they don't own any of their work, I think it would be best from them to leave. Thank you! ;D

The forums will stride forward!

[numusic]

rhodesy2112 said:

Discussion would be fine Nu, but as you said, you're just being unnecassarily sarcastic. I don't like most of the half baked toss you were touting at Pooart earlier this year, but felt no need to deride it. Do I own some Dennings?? Yes, just as you own some Banksy's. The difference is, none of mine are photographs that I bought off e-bay. ;D

LOL..don't be bitter, you sold a shed load of Banksy's earlier this year, and bought Guy Dennings, fair enough. But I think it's completely irrelevant work considering the movement we're involved with supproting and discussing on these forums. Not that it's not good, it's just got zero relevance to this scene.

It's a throwback to pre 1950's life drawing figurative art that I've seen a million times before.. nothing wrong with that. But a handful of people on here have bought it and are crying like babies when a few others have the nerve to say they think it's got nothing to do with this fourm... or actively criticise it.

Discuss..

BTW: There's also a Guy Denning forum where you can just say "love it" over and over again to each other...I'm sure it's far more interesting than listening to someone on a Banksy forum try to engage you in something a tad more substantial.

peace.

[numusic]

admin said:

dropout said:

surely not everyone who owns a piece of someone's work, denning or otherwise, is hyping their work, if they comment positivly on that artists talents.

Spot on! ;D

I suspect I'm the one getting accused of hyping artists Hype is not what I would call it If I like an artists work I'm not afraid to say it, and thats how it should be ;D I don't own any Jef Aerosol, so am I still allowed to say I like his work? am I allowed to run his Fans forum? I don't own any Logan Hicks, am I allowed to say I like his work? and the list goes on and on
So what are the reasons for me making posts to say I like these artists work? Nu? anyone? Shall I ask peoples permission before I'm allowed to post my positive opinion on an artists work?

Not at all Silky.. like I said, read the first post on this thread. It's quite sad. You or anyone else can say " I like so and so" someone else can ask "why".. it's a debate and discuission about an artist, right ? a forum.. introduce a traditional figurative artist to a street art + board, expect to have a discussion about it. That's all.

[numusic]

bigman said:

its all about choice and different opinions

Exactly, I have a different opinion. Cheers !

[Daniel Silk]

I think your now just trying to get yourself out of a corner that you have backed into

[finsburyparkranger]

Didn't Warhol once say an artist shouldn't read his reviews, he should weigh them.

[numusic]

admin said:

I think your now just trying to get yourself out of a corner that you have backed into

Don't think so mate.. try and discuss it and we'll see.

[Daniel Silk]

numusic said:

bigman said:

its all about choice and different opinions

Exactly, I have a different opinion. Cheers !

Nu, your not so much making your opinion known as implying that others are posting things for underhand reason

[Daniel Silk]

numusic said:

admin said:

I think your now just trying to get yourself out of a corner that you have backed into

Don't think so mate.. try and discuss it and we'll see.

Nah, I'm here to discuss art ;D like most other people on here are ;D
If your into conspiracies and manipulation then this ain't the place for it

[numusic]

admin said:

numusic said:

Exactly, I have a different opinion. Cheers !

Nu, your not so much making your opinion known as implying that others are posting things for underhand reason

Silk, here's the thread and debate I'm responsing to.

What’s next for Guy Denning, sure the red propeller show was a hit and as it stands today all the pieces have sold. I myself love Guy's work and have purchased several prints. I recently tried to sell Minator Woman on eBay, over 200 views and 12 watchers but no bids. I find it incredible that people are still buying the beejoir s.b.f.o for over £200.00 pounds yet a print like Minotaur woman with a starting bid at £150.00 fails to attract a single bid. You may detect I'm a bit annoyed and you would be right. I hold my hands up I bought this pieces as a kind of savings fund for Christmas not arsed about making a profit but just so I didn’t blow the £195.00 on some crap

A member finds it incredible that beejoirs are still selling for 200quid, yet he can't shift his Denning, even though Denning sold out his show.

Beejoir's are still selling to members because he's a street artist and relevant to what's going on and what the majority here are intereted in, Denning's aren't because his works not relevant to the majority of people collecting street art. That's an invitation to a discussion IMO. Not an attack on Denning's work.

[Daniel Silk]

Yeah, ok mate!

[Cocteau 101]

To be pragmatic I can see both sides of the argument here -
1- I don't think Denning is particularly relevant to the street art scene.
2 - I don't think we should restrict ourselves to purely talking about street artists or if necessary to avoid confusion create a non typical street art artist thread, where everyone can discuss whoever they like.
3 - I like some of Dennings works and own 2 pieces which I am glad the forum introduced me too and prefer them to some of his other work which I admire but would not buy.
4 - I also think there are a lot of talented artists out there with as good a technique as Denning just not the exposure.
5 - Thats life, it's just the way it is, denning has had a break and some exposure, he is talented, it is now up to him and his gallery to either maximise that exposure or carry on as before without undermining his integrity whichever route he chooses.

[Daniel Silk]

Yep! its all about choices ;D And this place gives you them in bucket loads

[numusic]

admin said:

numusic said:

Don't think so mate.. try and discuss it and we'll see.

Nah, I'm here to discuss art ;D like most other people on here are ;D
If your into conspiracies and manipulation then this ain't the place for it

Couldn't agree more mate, we can hunt them down together hey

Bedtime for bonzo.

[rolyateel]

numusic said:

admin said:

Nu, your not so much making your opinion known as implying that others are posting things for underhand reason

Silk, here's the thread and debate I'm responsing to.

What’s next for Guy Denning, sure the red propeller show was a hit and as it stands today all the pieces have sold. I myself love Guy's work and have purchased several prints. I recently tried to sell Minator Woman on eBay, over 200 views and 12 watchers but no bids. I find it incredible that people are still buying the beejoir s.b.f.o for over £200.00 pounds yet a print like Minotaur woman with a starting bid at £150.00 fails to attract a single bid. You may detect I'm a bit annoyed and you would be right. I hold my hands up I bought this pieces as a kind of savings fund for Christmas not arsed about making a profit but just so I didn’t blow the £195.00 on some crap

A member finds it incredible that beejoirs are still selling for 200quid, yet he can't shift his Denning, even though Denning sold out his show.

Beejoir's are still selling to members because he's a street artist and relevant to what's going on and what the majority here are intereted in, Denning's aren't because his works not relevant to the majority of people collecting street art. That's an invitation to a discussion IMO. Not an attack on Denning's work.

I like Denning's work, but hate the way this thread started.

I have no problem with Art other than street art being discussed on this forum. I think this forum has grown into more than just a Banksy forum, even though thats why we all came here in the first place.

Micallef is also discussed widely on here, and as far as I'm aware, he aint "street" either

[pezlow]

I shall try not to add fuel to fire but I have to say the whole denning issue is puzzling me. I made a mild comment on another thread about Denning and immediately got leaped upon by the same people who are leaping upon Nu in this thread. It really concerns me that even mild criticism of an artist is deemed by some to be beyond the pale.

This forum is about debate and noone should feel censored into not voicing an opinion. There are some expremely vocal Denning fans on this board and that is fine, but it seems to me they are strangling other people's views.

I also hate the way this thread started and assume it was a joke. I hope so anyway.

[numusic]

bigman said:

micaleff, dan baldwin,ian francis,rourke please add to the list.
Nu in another thread you did have a go at me for one selling a piece of dennings work but i have just paid over 2grand for another bit quote "and yes, I do find it strange that in one post someone can be bigging up an artist, and in the next, selling his work and often at the same time on different threads" end quote.
But do you not like dface? cause you must not if your selling his canvas? i wonder why alot of dface is for sale at the moment?(price rise hype)
you have to make sacrifices nu im sure you know that. but please if as another thread you posted in that you are sick of reading about denning cause it is constant.
DONT READ IT

I'm a last 100 posts reader and if you re-read my post I simply stated that I find it strange that you'd be selling on one thread whilst bigging him up on others. As for the price rise hype on D's work, that's down to people other than me. If I spent a month bigging him up and starting numerous threads on him, then proceeded to offload his work. I'd say you'd have every right to have a go..

Good luck with the sale.

[hendrix]

I posted the original message and its all a bit tongue and cheek when I stated I was annoyed maybe I should have used a different word. Disappointed would have worked better that an artist of guys calibre did not attract a single bid. The reference to using the money as a kind of savings fund was bulls**t f**k me I’m not that naive. The prints I own have gone up and down in value, It really does not bother me in the slightest. I find that your comments nuart are very disappointing/naive and also display communist undertones. You have a problem thinking outside your box and to quote you I think that is a bit SAD. It's a question of you like what you like and if you don't then you add comments like this "wtf, another Denning thread !" What a great contribution that was, for someone with 9 stars and 42 respect. If the thread upset you that much then why add to it. Especially with uncontrollable vomiting of diarrhoea.

[numusic]

hendrix said:

I posted the original message and its all a bit tongue and cheek when I stated I was annoyed maybe I should have used a different word. Disappointed would have worked better that an artist of guys calibre did not attract a single bid. The reference to using the money as a kind of savings fund was bulls**t f**k me I’m not that naive. The prints I own have gone up and down in value, It really does not bother me in the slightest. I find that your comments nuart are very disappointing/naive and also display communist undertones. You have a problem thinking outside your box and to quote you I think that is a bit SAD. It's a question of you like what you like and if you don't then you add comments like this "wtf, another Denning thread !" What a great contribution that was, for someone with 9 stars and 42 respect. If the thread upset you that much then why add to it. Especially with uncontrollable vomiting of diarrhoea.

42 ! only 42.. bastards BTW, I am a communist. In the real meaning of the word.

Good luck with the sale brother

[hendrix]

+1 for ya nuart