[graeme501]

the contemporaray catalogue is up now

www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/searchresults.asp?pg=1&ps=25&st=D&sale_no=222++++

has the banksy 'vermin' street pieces, and a good few banksy prints

thoughts?

[Deleted]

Thank you Graeme501, something to read.

[graeme501]

i have two pieces in this auction (put in before the i knew about the street piece stuff), so im hoping its a good one

[bobbyt23]

how do people find out about there auctions to put pieces in?

[princeofdalston]

Thanks for the heads up - good luck with your stuff!

Not sure what to make of the 'vermin' stamp of approval

[graeme501]

somebody mentioned it over at wk forum, i sent lyon and turnbull asking if they wanted these two prints, they said yes, i dropped them off at their place in glasgow, thats about it really

[havana07]

Sept 10, 2008 18:47:17 GMT 1 princeofdalston said:

Thanks for the heads up - good luck with your stuff!

Not sure what to make of the 'vermin' stamp of approval

... Helps those who want to shift their 'street pieces' quickly before the shit hits the fan, I'd expect.....

[Daniel Silk]

Just to remind everyone, as was posted the other week -

Needless to say Vermin have nothing to do with PCO or Banksy.It seems inconceivable that you can just create your own authentication board that has no contact whatsoever with the LIVING artist.

PCO have spent the past 8 months building a data base and cataloging the artists' body of work. We hold the only existing records of commercial sale and have the only comprehensive library of photographs of each of his images dating back to inception.
We cross reference every piece that is sent through to us from every auction house, dealer and collector all over the world.
We show each piece that does not cross reference to the Artist who can tell instantly if a work is authentic or not.

We do not authenticate street pieces due to the fact that Banksy believes his street work should remain on the street for everyone to enjoy and that once it is removed from it's original situation then it is no longer a work of art.

In addition, it is well known that you can buy a large selection of Banksy stencils on ebay for £2.99. We have found that the majority of street pieces, especially ones on street furniture are in fact fakes.
Since we set up Pest Control 8 months ago we have come across 89 fake street pieces and have pulled 62 fake Banksy works from circulation along with 137 fake Banksy prints, these have all been determined by the Artist himself.
The majority of these pieces have been pulled from auction houses and reputable galleries where trained 'experts' are hired to consign such works.
It is absolutely ridiculous that a panel of unknown, so called "experts", can offer the same service that PCO do.

As always in the secondary market "Buyer Beware".

[graeme501]

the vermin is a bit of an odd one, as with most of the street pieces, they are well known, and would have been considered authentic anyway, appearing in books, owner of POW ect

[alsbabar]

cant believe they have prints in there which are un-numbered, so along with streetpieces that are not authenticated by pest control, they have prints also unauthenticated - i think this is an auction with the term "Buyer Beware" written all over it

[graeme501]

Sept 10, 2008 18:47:17 GMT 1 princeofdalston said:

Thanks for the heads up - good luck with your stuff!

Not sure what to make of the 'vermin' stamp of approval

cheers for the luck, they are only in the sale to pay for something else which i am getting in a few months, so all the money has already gone (unless it goes for silly money)

[graeme501]

'We do not authenticate street pieces due to the fact that Banksy believes his street work should remain on the street for everyone to enjoy and that once it is removed from it's original situation then it is no longer a work of art'

interesting that banksy thinks this, while the guy who set up POW is quite happy to sell his street piece

[alsbabar]

POW was about printmaking and selling prints - not about lifting street pieces and selling them on!!!!

[insite]

'We do not authenticate street pieces due to the fact that Banksy believes his street work should remain on the street for everyone to enjoy and that once it is removed from it's original situation then it is no longer a work of art'

Fair enough but what about privately owned "street" pieces, the big one that springs to mind would be that wall from the farm that was used for the Blur cover shoot but I know of a couple of people with a Banksy "street piece" sprayed onto the vehicle they live in, these were never there for everyone to enjoy and as they're on vehicles are always going to be in their original situation.

[hitme]

2 Stop and Searches in this auction, and 2 different estimate ranges. These folks are on top of things.

[mishco]

but ones been professionally framed by mr framerman!

[hitme]

Sept 10, 2008 20:18:03 GMT 1 mishco said:

but ones been professionally framed by mr framerman!

does it say that somewhere? or is it yours? if the latter, how did you frame it - matted or floated?

[graeme501]

its mine, float mounted on a black box frame

[Prescription Art]

Sept 10, 2008 21:40:37 GMT 1 A Little Bird said:

Take a look at just one of the lots on offer

www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=222+++++++56+&refno=++108802

For 25 to 30k you get a verdict from an anonymous board of authenticators that "The piece was thought to be painted as part of a 'Bombing' session carried out in late 2003".

For fucks sake, "thought to be..."

Pure comedy.

I'd never trust a drilling rat... it's been so easy to buy stencils off ebay. The photographer rat is quite cool though.

[dotdot]

thanks for the jolt alb.

have had a scan and whilst there's prints a plenty - the prov is
all over the place...from pow ..to pest control to.. none - to aps
and "not from the limited run".

this kind of mess is only going to cause grief for the unaware.

caveat emptor...

[Poppy Sunshine]

I noticed some Banksy pieces are coming up this week with Lyon and Turnbull and all have Vermin authentication.

Perhaps someone can stick a link on if it's of interest as I don't know how to do it.

Is Vermin authentication official?

[Daniel Silk]

Vermin authentication is worthless its has no more value than anyone of us printing up a certificate to say a piece is genuine.

www.lyonandturnbull.com/asp/searchresults.asp?keywords%5Fvalue=banksy&t=1746831&viewing%5Foption=2&shopper=&go=Find&home%5Fpage%5Fsearch=true&st=u&

[Guest]

Link not working Silky

[Daniel Silk]

Apr 21, 2009 14:54:40 GMT 1 @ronhill said:

Link not working Silky

Sorry

Here's the link to the website - www.lyonandturnbull.com

Then search for Banksy

[Poppy Sunshine]

Surely the auction house are taking a bit of a risk then aren't they?

[Daniel Silk]

Apr 21, 2009 15:00:53 GMT 1 Poppy Sunshine said:

Surely the auction house are taking a bit of a risk then aren't they?

Yep! guess so

[Daniel Silk]

I cant see them going for those estimates without real authentication you would be better off going for a Authenticated signed Banksy Print.

[Guest]

Im pretty sure that is the same one Als, why would anyone buy this, so easy to fake and without PC certificate worthless.

[Happy Shopper]

It's odd. They're priced as if they're not authenticated, while saying they are...
I mean, if these were authenticated they'd be worth loads more. By pricing them low they're almost admitting they're dodgy!

[Guest]

Would love to see these exposed as fakes, and put a stop to vermin bullshit.