andrewd
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by andrewd on Aug 10, 2007 20:13:05 GMT 1, i am old enogh to remember a Sunday Times interview with Dave Stewart from the Eurthymics. He'd just bought a flat over looking Stringfellows or somewhere with swanky glass in the windows, that when you hit a switch turned black, shutting out the outside world. One of the other things he was raving over was his Damien Hirst spot painting that he had recently picked up for the princely sum of ยฃ5k. I thought that was expensive then. ( well I got that wrong ) I think Chris's canvases are extremely expensive. Has anyone here bought one? Don't get me wrong I wish him all the best but will be spending my ยฃ5k elsewhere.
i am old enogh to remember a Sunday Times interview with Dave Stewart from the Eurthymics. He'd just bought a flat over looking Stringfellows or somewhere with swanky glass in the windows, that when you hit a switch turned black, shutting out the outside world. One of the other things he was raving over was his Damien Hirst spot painting that he had recently picked up for the princely sum of ยฃ5k. I thought that was expensive then. ( well I got that wrong ) I think Chris's canvases are extremely expensive. Has anyone here bought one? Don't get me wrong I wish him all the best but will be spending my ยฃ5k elsewhere.
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Strange Al
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by Strange Al on Aug 10, 2007 20:22:07 GMT 1, Do you really think that the people now buying Beejoir canvases are the same people who were buying Hirst and Opie? I'm not so sure. nah, maybe not.. then again.. a lot of dealers where desparate to offload stock to buy into Banksy and street art last year. But I bet you a LOT of the Blek 5k plus canvasses went to people who'd never heard of the man.
I could imagine that with Blek. The fact that Banksy name checked him and that he has a 20+ year track record in street art would make him a lot easier to market to traditional buyers of Hirst and Opie who were looking for a bit of "street art cool". My hunch is that most of the people buying into Beej at ยฃ3K+ are fairly new to the art world.
Do you really think that the people now buying Beejoir canvases are the same people who were buying Hirst and Opie? I'm not so sure. nah, maybe not.. then again.. a lot of dealers where desparate to offload stock to buy into Banksy and street art last year. But I bet you a LOT of the Blek 5k plus canvasses went to people who'd never heard of the man. I could imagine that with Blek. The fact that Banksy name checked him and that he has a 20+ year track record in street art would make him a lot easier to market to traditional buyers of Hirst and Opie who were looking for a bit of "street art cool". My hunch is that most of the people buying into Beej at ยฃ3K+ are fairly new to the art world.
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by stuey09 on Aug 10, 2007 20:39:30 GMT 1, If the original prices (i.e., ยฃ3.5-ยฃ5K) are true, then even 40%-50% should be enough to buy a nice place in Thailand and pay for enough Montana or Belton to keep Beej going for the next year. Yeah, it's not that I dion't think Chris is getting enough.. I just wish the other fella was getting nowt
Spoken like a true Yorkshireman Nu. Bottom line is they're only worth what someone will pay for them, and if someone is prepared to meet the asking price, then they are worth that amount. Pure and simple. Out of my price range, I might add.
If the original prices (i.e., ยฃ3.5-ยฃ5K) are true, then even 40%-50% should be enough to buy a nice place in Thailand and pay for enough Montana or Belton to keep Beej going for the next year. Yeah, it's not that I dion't think Chris is getting enough.. I just wish the other fella was getting nowt Spoken like a true Yorkshireman Nu. Bottom line is they're only worth what someone will pay for them, and if someone is prepared to meet the asking price, then they are worth that amount. Pure and simple. Out of my price range, I might add.
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by dgb133 on Aug 10, 2007 20:45:15 GMT 1, You're kidding me right?
Paul Insect tackled this concept recently and much better: www.lazinc.com/artists/paulinsect/original-art/8/
Oddly enough I assume Damien Hirst bought this painting by Mr. Insect.
And what the hell is up with doing paintings in editions? It reeks of this nasty just out to make money smell. And the prices of those canvases are high way too high, even if they would have been UNIQUE!
You're kidding me right? Paul Insect tackled this concept recently and much better: www.lazinc.com/artists/paulinsect/original-art/8/Oddly enough I assume Damien Hirst bought this painting by Mr. Insect. And what the hell is up with doing paintings in editions? It reeks of this nasty just out to make money smell. And the prices of those canvases are high way too high, even if they would have been UNIQUE!
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by dgb133 on Aug 10, 2007 20:48:43 GMT 1,
And uh, I really don't think people buying Beejoir were the ones buying Hirst and Opie. Totally different people imo. And uh, the value of something. That's a tricky question. An u/s banksy soup can sold for $5000 two weeks ago. Another went unsold for $3,000 today! Would suck to be the guy that paid 5 grand for that ...or 10 grand for a Beej painting!
And uh, I really don't think people buying Beejoir were the ones buying Hirst and Opie. Totally different people imo. And uh, the value of something. That's a tricky question. An u/s banksy soup can sold for $5000 two weeks ago. Another went unsold for $3,000 today! Would suck to be the guy that paid 5 grand for that ...or 10 grand for a Beej painting!
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Strange Al
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by Strange Al on Aug 10, 2007 20:59:59 GMT 1,
I agree with the general point you're making regarding Beej's canvases, but think the concept of Imodium AD is quite different from Insects re-interpretation of L'Oreal (I mean Mondrian).
I agree with the general point you're making regarding Beej's canvases, but think the concept of Imodium AD is quite different from Insects re-interpretation of L'Oreal (I mean Mondrian).
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by numusic on Aug 10, 2007 21:18:39 GMT 1, nah, maybe not.. then again.. a lot of dealers where desparate to offload stock to buy into Banksy and street art last year. But I bet you a LOT of the Blek 5k plus canvasses went to people who'd never heard of the man. I could imagine that with Blek. The fact that Banksy name checked him and that he has a 20+ year track record in street art would make him a lot easier to market to traditional buyers of Hirst and Opie who were looking for a bit of "street art cool". My hunch is that most of the people buying into Beej at ยฃ3K+ are fairly new to the art world.
Not sure, I know a couple of people who run swanky galleries, their client list is massive.. new work is sold no problem to an already established client list. They're really really open to pursuassion, they enjoy been told about "new" stuff, the history, the hype, the "buy what you like" after I've told you how important it is... classic stuff. And people buy, really odd diverse stuff. Beej's spots wouldn't look out of place in pretty much any environment. Which is why I guess it became a series of editions and not just a one off.
nah, maybe not.. then again.. a lot of dealers where desparate to offload stock to buy into Banksy and street art last year. But I bet you a LOT of the Blek 5k plus canvasses went to people who'd never heard of the man. I could imagine that with Blek. The fact that Banksy name checked him and that he has a 20+ year track record in street art would make him a lot easier to market to traditional buyers of Hirst and Opie who were looking for a bit of "street art cool". My hunch is that most of the people buying into Beej at ยฃ3K+ are fairly new to the art world. Not sure, I know a couple of people who run swanky galleries, their client list is massive.. new work is sold no problem to an already established client list. They're really really open to pursuassion, they enjoy been told about "new" stuff, the history, the hype, the "buy what you like" after I've told you how important it is... classic stuff. And people buy, really odd diverse stuff. Beej's spots wouldn't look out of place in pretty much any environment. Which is why I guess it became a series of editions and not just a one off.
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by numusic on Aug 10, 2007 21:28:36 GMT 1, Yeah, it's not that I dion't think Chris is getting enough.. I just wish the other fella was getting nowt Spoken like a true Yorkshireman Nu. Bottom line is they're only worth what someone will pay for them, and if someone is prepared to meet the asking price, then they are worth that amount. Pure and simple. Out of my price range, I might add.
lol, saw the word nowt and almost hit modify. ha ha. My old mam would be proud, still haven't lost it
Yeah, it's not that I dion't think Chris is getting enough.. I just wish the other fella was getting nowt Spoken like a true Yorkshireman Nu. Bottom line is they're only worth what someone will pay for them, and if someone is prepared to meet the asking price, then they are worth that amount. Pure and simple. Out of my price range, I might add. lol, saw the word nowt and almost hit modify. ha ha. My old mam would be proud, still haven't lost it
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Strange Al
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by Strange Al on Aug 10, 2007 21:32:07 GMT 1, I could imagine that with Blek. The fact that Banksy name checked him and that he has a 20+ year track record in street art would make him a lot easier to market to traditional buyers of Hirst and Opie who were looking for a bit of "street art cool". My hunch is that most of the people buying into Beej at ยฃ3K+ are fairly new to the art world. Not sure, I know a couple of people who run swanky galleries, their client list is massive.. new work is sold no problem to an already established client list. They're really really open to pursuassion, they enjoy been told about "new" stuff, the history, the hype, the "buy what you like" after I've told you how important it is... classic stuff. And people buy, really odd diverse stuff. Beej's spots wouldn't look out of place in pretty much any environment. Which is why I guess it became a series of editions and not just a one off.
You may be right, though I'm still not so sure. It would be really interesting to find out though.
I could imagine that with Blek. The fact that Banksy name checked him and that he has a 20+ year track record in street art would make him a lot easier to market to traditional buyers of Hirst and Opie who were looking for a bit of "street art cool". My hunch is that most of the people buying into Beej at ยฃ3K+ are fairly new to the art world. Not sure, I know a couple of people who run swanky galleries, their client list is massive.. new work is sold no problem to an already established client list. They're really really open to pursuassion, they enjoy been told about "new" stuff, the history, the hype, the "buy what you like" after I've told you how important it is... classic stuff. And people buy, really odd diverse stuff. Beej's spots wouldn't look out of place in pretty much any environment. Which is why I guess it became a series of editions and not just a one off. You may be right, though I'm still not so sure. It would be really interesting to find out though.
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by numusic on Aug 10, 2007 21:38:01 GMT 1, Not sure, I know a couple of people who run swanky galleries, their client list is massive.. new work is sold no problem to an already established client list. They're really really open to pursuassion, they enjoy been told about "new" stuff, the history, the hype, the "buy what you like" after I've told you how important it is... classic stuff. And people buy, really odd diverse stuff. Beej's spots wouldn't look out of place in pretty much any environment. Which is why I guess it became a series of editions and not just a one off. You may be right, though I'm still not so sure. It would be really interesting to find out though.
Yeah, i'm not 100% sure either. But, I don't know very many people into street art capable of forking out 5k plus for it. I do know quite a few who were already buying art at these prices who are now buying "street" stuff for similar prices and upwards.
Not sure, I know a couple of people who run swanky galleries, their client list is massive.. new work is sold no problem to an already established client list. They're really really open to pursuassion, they enjoy been told about "new" stuff, the history, the hype, the "buy what you like" after I've told you how important it is... classic stuff. And people buy, really odd diverse stuff. Beej's spots wouldn't look out of place in pretty much any environment. Which is why I guess it became a series of editions and not just a one off. You may be right, though I'm still not so sure. It would be really interesting to find out though. Yeah, i'm not 100% sure either. But, I don't know very many people into street art capable of forking out 5k plus for it. I do know quite a few who were already buying art at these prices who are now buying "street" stuff for similar prices and upwards.
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Strange Al
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by Strange Al on Aug 10, 2007 22:14:22 GMT 1, You may be right, though I'm still not so sure. It would be really interesting to find out though. Yeah, i'm not 100% sure either. But, I don't know very many people into street art capable of forking out 5k plus for it. I do know quite a few who were already buying art at these prices who are now buying "street" stuff for similar prices and upwards.
As we both know, the scene has shifted completely in the last year. I think you're right that a fair few traditional contemporary collectors are now picking up street art pieces. I think you're also right that not many people who were into street art prior to the recent boom can really afford ยฃ5K for a piece. Though I do think many of the old guard are now stretching their finances (or trading up) to buy these more expensive things. It's so much easier to justify spending ยฃ4K if you've got a ยฃ5K signed Banksy on the wall, which you only paid ยฃ150 for a couple of years ago. Moreover, there are plenty of new collectors, with high disposable incomes and/or big credit card limits, who are willing to spend large sums in the hope of a massive windfall on their investment. If you look at the demographic of the people attending all of the recent Street Art shows, they're quite different to those you see in the fine art world.
You may be right, though I'm still not so sure. It would be really interesting to find out though. Yeah, i'm not 100% sure either. But, I don't know very many people into street art capable of forking out 5k plus for it. I do know quite a few who were already buying art at these prices who are now buying "street" stuff for similar prices and upwards. As we both know, the scene has shifted completely in the last year. I think you're right that a fair few traditional contemporary collectors are now picking up street art pieces. I think you're also right that not many people who were into street art prior to the recent boom can really afford ยฃ5K for a piece. Though I do think many of the old guard are now stretching their finances (or trading up) to buy these more expensive things. It's so much easier to justify spending ยฃ4K if you've got a ยฃ5K signed Banksy on the wall, which you only paid ยฃ150 for a couple of years ago. Moreover, there are plenty of new collectors, with high disposable incomes and/or big credit card limits, who are willing to spend large sums in the hope of a massive windfall on their investment. If you look at the demographic of the people attending all of the recent Street Art shows, they're quite different to those you see in the fine art world.
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by dgb133 on Aug 10, 2007 22:17:17 GMT 1,
I still don't think the white cube and gagosian type crowds are the ones buying Beejoir or shopping at camp barbara let alone ebay. I still think Banksy prices have warped peoples perspectives on what is rational for an artist of this stature.
And as evidenced by who is buying Banksy work, you read stories about it on the board here all the time. Average blokes maxing out there cards to Buy Banksy. And people who were lucky/smart enough to load up on Banksy back when you could buy his prints for 100 pounds from POW have a ton of money to reinvest unless they're still holding. I honestly don't think that most of the prints sold on ebay are going to rich elite collectors. I think they're going to young professionals post college who are making decent money now and not yet bogged down by mortagages and diaper expenses so they have money to burn.
And I don't know about the european exchanges. But some serious damage has been done to the stock market in the U.S. the past several weeks. I bet it ripples into the art world within a few months. Buyer beware.
I still don't think the white cube and gagosian type crowds are the ones buying Beejoir or shopping at camp barbara let alone ebay. I still think Banksy prices have warped peoples perspectives on what is rational for an artist of this stature.
And as evidenced by who is buying Banksy work, you read stories about it on the board here all the time. Average blokes maxing out there cards to Buy Banksy. And people who were lucky/smart enough to load up on Banksy back when you could buy his prints for 100 pounds from POW have a ton of money to reinvest unless they're still holding. I honestly don't think that most of the prints sold on ebay are going to rich elite collectors. I think they're going to young professionals post college who are making decent money now and not yet bogged down by mortagages and diaper expenses so they have money to burn.
And I don't know about the european exchanges. But some serious damage has been done to the stock market in the U.S. the past several weeks. I bet it ripples into the art world within a few months. Buyer beware.
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by romanywg on Aug 11, 2007 0:24:22 GMT 1, I saw these in the process of being made downstairs at TLSG a couple of weeks ago. They all looked stunning.
I saw these in the process of being made downstairs at TLSG a couple of weeks ago. They all looked stunning.
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by runningdog on Aug 11, 2007 0:35:50 GMT 1, I think most people would like them even my mum but would you pay 4k? Just seems very little time and effort for a reasonably talented artist to spend on a joke to me.
Fixed for you.
I think most people would like them even my mum but would you pay 4k? Just seems very little time and effort for a reasonably talented artist to spend on a joke to me. Fixed for you.
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damullae
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by damullae on Aug 11, 2007 4:55:38 GMT 1, yep - these werent meant to be posted on the forum......you sure your not Jon from SOS? seems clever marketing to me...
like the pieces but cant afford at the moment
yep - these werent meant to be posted on the forum......you sure your not Jon from SOS? seems clever marketing to me... like the pieces but cant afford at the moment
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by mose on Aug 11, 2007 5:06:54 GMT 1, wow. well, reminds me of a discussion on here from a few days ago.
I think your missing the point here about artists like Beejoir. As the term suggest a street artist cares not for gallery shows and auction houses. The whole idea is to go out and get your message out to the masses, which I believe has been done quite effectively..
so what is he doing hooking on with Frankie/CampBarbara and selling expensive works at a gallery show? Getting your message out to the masses via limited edition prints with print runs of 35, 40, 75, etc. ? come on now. I don't begrudge street artists getting paid and don't like the whole 'anti-capitalism' vibe many have with street art. Do your thing and if you can earn a living doing what you love, well then, God(or just life in general) has blessed you. but don't give 'street artists' any more cred., don't make 'em martyrs, when they are largely doing the same art thang everyone else is. Much of the work is still amazing even without the myth.
SAMO is dead.
wow. well, reminds me of a discussion on here from a few days ago. I think your missing the point here about artists like Beejoir. As the term suggest a street artist cares not for gallery shows and auction houses. The whole idea is to go out and get your message out to the masses, which I believe has been done quite effectively.. so what is he doing hooking on with Frankie/CampBarbara and selling expensive works at a gallery show? Getting your message out to the masses via limited edition prints with print runs of 35, 40, 75, etc. ? come on now. I don't begrudge street artists getting paid and don't like the whole 'anti-capitalism' vibe many have with street art. Do your thing and if you can earn a living doing what you love, well then, God(or just life in general) has blessed you. but don't give 'street artists' any more cred., don't make 'em martyrs, when they are largely doing the same art thang everyone else is. Much of the work is still amazing even without the myth. SAMO is dead.
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BONGO
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by BONGO on Aug 11, 2007 10:14:41 GMT 1, BONGO THINKS OUROBOROS PROJECT SHOULD BE A FITTING TITLE FOR THESE WORKS.
BONGO HOPE EVERYONE SEE BONGOS POINT
BONGO THINKS OUROBOROS PROJECT SHOULD BE A FITTING TITLE FOR THESE WORKS.
BONGO HOPE EVERYONE SEE BONGOS POINT
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by ABC on Aug 11, 2007 10:43:49 GMT 1, Who is Blek?
Who is Blek?
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by paulah on Aug 11, 2007 13:22:48 GMT 1, BONGO THINKS OUROBOROS PROJECT SHOULD BE A FITTING TITLE FOR THESE WORKS. BONGO HOPE EVERYONE SEE BONGOS POINT
Art will eat itself?
BONGO THINKS OUROBOROS PROJECT SHOULD BE A FITTING TITLE FOR THESE WORKS. BONGO HOPE EVERYONE SEE BONGOS POINT Art will eat itself?
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by BONGO on Aug 11, 2007 14:52:01 GMT 1, BONGO THINK THIS IS A GAME
BONGO THINK THIS IS A GAME
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by peggysue on Aug 11, 2007 15:12:38 GMT 1, I still don't believe these are from Beejoir. He's too smart of an artist to do something this contrived.
I still don't believe these are from Beejoir. He's too smart of an artist to do something this contrived.
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by hasselhoff on Aug 11, 2007 15:28:24 GMT 1, Peggysue. I'm 99.9% sure they are from Beejoir, he spoke to me about the idea back in May. He also posted a couple of pics of a huge version of this in his studio a while back.
Peggysue. I'm 99.9% sure they are from Beejoir, he spoke to me about the idea back in May. He also posted a couple of pics of a huge version of this in his studio a while back.
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by neutral on Aug 11, 2007 15:55:29 GMT 1, Yes they are from him.
Yes they are from him.
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by peggysue on Aug 11, 2007 16:52:58 GMT 1, I guess when recording an album, not every track can be a hit.
I guess when recording an album, not every track can be a hit.
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by johnas on Aug 11, 2007 17:23:08 GMT 1, I still don't believe these are from Beejoir. He's too smart of an artist to do something this contrived.
i still don't believe, you don't believe these are beejoir. he's exhibited them as well as posting pictures of them on the SOS website....
I still don't believe these are from Beejoir. He's too smart of an artist to do something this contrived. i still don't believe, you don't believe these are beejoir. he's exhibited them as well as posting pictures of them on the SOS website....
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by taco on Aug 11, 2007 17:24:58 GMT 1, I guess when recording an album, not every track can be a hit.
Radiohead's the bends...?
I guess when recording an album, not every track can be a hit. Radiohead's the bends...?
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by bored with screen names on Aug 11, 2007 18:12:05 GMT 1, I guess when recording an album, not every track can be a hit.
I beg to differ.
I guess when recording an album, not every track can be a hit. I beg to differ.
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by ricosg11 on Aug 11, 2007 19:07:58 GMT 1, Beej, is about to hit the streets hard again over the next month or two with a bunch of new stuff. Lets hold all judgements until the dust has settled after his show over the holidays. Im rooting for ya Beej.
Beej, is about to hit the streets hard again over the next month or two with a bunch of new stuff. Lets hold all judgements until the dust has settled after his show over the holidays. Im rooting for ya Beej.
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by verbalkint on Aug 11, 2007 19:10:43 GMT 1, I guess when recording an album, not every track can be a hit. Radiohead's the bends...?
good call
I guess when recording an album, not every track can be a hit. Radiohead's the bends...? good call
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Beejoir Spot Canvases!, by sausageboonwee on Aug 18, 2007 21:16:46 GMT 1, Just got back from holiday and read this thread. What's the outcome of all this? Is it Beejoir? Are they available?
Just got back from holiday and read this thread. What's the outcome of all this? Is it Beejoir? Are they available?
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