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Banksy Donuts Print, by jerometurner on Aug 1, 2009 12:26:26 GMT 1, keep checking the emails you registered. got a second chance offer, most likely from a cancelled order. deadline in the email was midday august 3. received the email today, 6:30 am BST Surely you mean email? Well done anyway!
hahaha yeah, email. ;D
keep checking the emails you registered. got a second chance offer, most likely from a cancelled order. deadline in the email was midday august 3. received the email today, 6:30 am BST Surely you mean email? Well done anyway! hahaha yeah, email. ;D
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Banksy Donuts Print, by grantb on Aug 1, 2009 12:28:03 GMT 1, keep checking the emails you registered. got a second chance offer, most likely from a cancelled order. deadline in the email was midday august 3. received the email today, 6:30 am BST Well done you mate! Liking Grant B's protestations 'you can come round my house and have a look, POW know me and BRP know me' so ner ner ner ner ner....straight out of the playground.
everyones invited
keep checking the emails you registered. got a second chance offer, most likely from a cancelled order. deadline in the email was midday august 3. received the email today, 6:30 am BST Well done you mate! Liking Grant B's protestations 'you can come round my house and have a look, POW know me and BRP know me' so ner ner ner ner ner....straight out of the playground. everyones invited
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Banksy Donuts Print, by elwheel on Aug 1, 2009 13:30:37 GMT 1, Many on ebay will not be receiving prints. I know this for a fact. They probably haven't realised yet. POW have a lot of people assisting them as these people are in breach of the T&C's. POW are reading the forum too i know that is the company line and the lip service we are getting, but until I see someone slated to get one actually get it taken away, I just don't buy it. the threats do serve to scare people into not, flipping, but it's all just that... threats. BURN THEM ... BURN THEM.
Many on ebay will not be receiving prints. I know this for a fact. They probably haven't realised yet. POW have a lot of people assisting them as these people are in breach of the T&C's. POW are reading the forum too i know that is the company line and the lip service we are getting, but until I see someone slated to get one actually get it taken away, I just don't buy it. the threats do serve to scare people into not, flipping, but it's all just that... threats. BURN THEM ... BURN THEM.
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Banksy Donuts Print, by weeble on Aug 1, 2009 14:15:46 GMT 1, I'm gutted I didn't get picked for one, but I don't really care if people are flipping them to be honest. Don't get me wrong, flipping sucks, but at the same time, if the prints were guaranteed to go to actual Banksy fans who signed a life's wager claiming that they would never ever sell it, there would be a shed load of fans that would never get the chance of buying it on the secondary market. If I wanted this print that badly, I would like the option of buying secondary market. I know the inflated price sucks, but at least the option is there for some people. Therefore the only question is how long can you NOT sell it for to avoid being classed a 'flipper'? Then it all just gets stupid.
I'd rather have a Banksy on my wall. But if these flippers would rather have the cash in their wallet, then so be it. Whatever. I really don't care. It still doesn't change the fact I never got picked for one!
I'm gutted I didn't get picked for one, but I don't really care if people are flipping them to be honest. Don't get me wrong, flipping sucks, but at the same time, if the prints were guaranteed to go to actual Banksy fans who signed a life's wager claiming that they would never ever sell it, there would be a shed load of fans that would never get the chance of buying it on the secondary market. If I wanted this print that badly, I would like the option of buying secondary market. I know the inflated price sucks, but at least the option is there for some people. Therefore the only question is how long can you NOT sell it for to avoid being classed a 'flipper'? Then it all just gets stupid. I'd rather have a Banksy on my wall. But if these flippers would rather have the cash in their wallet, then so be it. Whatever. I really don't care. It still doesn't change the fact I never got picked for one!
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Banksy Donuts Print, by Wearology on Aug 1, 2009 14:20:59 GMT 1, Thanks for the moral support BUFFIN I thought I was on an island all by myself. My co-worker who I introduced to the world of Banksy won one and felt the need to e-mail me immediately with the tag "did you get a donut I did"? I would rather him tell me he is sleeping with Angelina or he is at the final table of the world series of poker. I wonder what the final leveling off price will be on the bay I figure it will be where the Nola's settled at.
Thanks for the moral support BUFFIN I thought I was on an island all by myself. My co-worker who I introduced to the world of Banksy won one and felt the need to e-mail me immediately with the tag "did you get a donut I did"? I would rather him tell me he is sleeping with Angelina or he is at the final table of the world series of poker. I wonder what the final leveling off price will be on the bay I figure it will be where the Nola's settled at.
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Banksy Donuts Print, by AJ on Aug 1, 2009 17:52:26 GMT 1, I have had so many mixed feelings about this release I panicked when I checked my work e-mail and saw the POW e-mail had been sat there for 15 minutes....surely I had missed this one? Oh, well that's the way it works, either you are lucky or you are not. Then relief when I read about the registration process - another chance perhaps?! I registered one e-mail address and hoped that I would be lucky, but no invitation to buy turned up. Disappointed again! Then reading about the flood of flipped prints on e-bay and orders being cancelled..time to get F5'ing again....maybe, just maybe! No luck. Second chance offers?? more hope?? No luck again. As someone that owns Morons, Nola and VLH, all bought directly from POW and has the pictures on my walls I do feel disappointed to have missed out when so many are on e-bay. Here's hoping that I will be lucky in the next round....
I have had so many mixed feelings about this release I panicked when I checked my work e-mail and saw the POW e-mail had been sat there for 15 minutes....surely I had missed this one? Oh, well that's the way it works, either you are lucky or you are not. Then relief when I read about the registration process - another chance perhaps?! I registered one e-mail address and hoped that I would be lucky, but no invitation to buy turned up. Disappointed again! Then reading about the flood of flipped prints on e-bay and orders being cancelled..time to get F5'ing again....maybe, just maybe! No luck. Second chance offers?? more hope?? No luck again. As someone that owns Morons, Nola and VLH, all bought directly from POW and has the pictures on my walls I do feel disappointed to have missed out when so many are on e-bay. Here's hoping that I will be lucky in the next round....
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Banksy Donuts Print, by Winter on Aug 1, 2009 18:56:33 GMT 1, Haven't managed to get any signed Banksy's first time round so think yourself lucky.
Haven't managed to get any signed Banksy's first time round so think yourself lucky.
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Banksy Donuts Print, by blackheart on Aug 1, 2009 18:57:33 GMT 1, Haven't managed to get any signed Banksy's first time round so think yourself lucky.
same here!! 0/6
Haven't managed to get any signed Banksy's first time round so think yourself lucky. same here!! 0/6
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Banksy Donuts Print, by nurofender on Aug 1, 2009 22:10:19 GMT 1, I have never been lucky either but now have 7 signed . I think that everyone should realise that market value is £1500 TO £2500 for new editions. Unfortunately If you can't afford this then you'll never get one. The flippers are just lucky to have nicked one for £465, to genuine collectors the value dosen't really matter unless they intend to sell.
I have never been lucky either but now have 7 signed . I think that everyone should realise that market value is £1500 TO £2500 for new editions. Unfortunately If you can't afford this then you'll never get one. The flippers are just lucky to have nicked one for £465, to genuine collectors the value dosen't really matter unless they intend to sell.
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Banksy Donuts Print, by bullet on Aug 1, 2009 22:13:44 GMT 1, well said
well said
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Banksy Donuts Print, by jickle on Aug 1, 2009 22:33:52 GMT 1, to genuine collectors the value dosen't really matter unless they intend to sell.
I'm not so sure on this, as there are a handful of collectors who can afford to buy in this manner. It's a pretty grey area and I'd also argue for those that are now in a position to regularly buy Banksy have been financially astute enough to always bear value in mind. Whilst most good collectors buy with their eye, value does play a part, and certainly not something that any I know underestimate
to genuine collectors the value dosen't really matter unless they intend to sell. I'm not so sure on this, as there are a handful of collectors who can afford to buy in this manner. It's a pretty grey area and I'd also argue for those that are now in a position to regularly buy Banksy have been financially astute enough to always bear value in mind. Whilst most good collectors buy with their eye, value does play a part, and certainly not something that any I know underestimate
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Banksy Donuts Print, by Wearology on Aug 1, 2009 23:20:37 GMT 1, which one has gone for more on the bay so far - chocolate or strawberry?
which one has gone for more on the bay so far - chocolate or strawberry?
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Banksy Donuts Print, by Standard on Aug 1, 2009 23:28:39 GMT 1, Only one way to stop flipping - sell them at market value in the first place, or significantly closer.
It will ensure that the bulk will end up in the right hands. I know this may make it harder for people to purchase (me included), but if you want one badly you would save ( or beg/steal).
Only one way to stop flipping - sell them at market value in the first place, or significantly closer.
It will ensure that the bulk will end up in the right hands. I know this may make it harder for people to purchase (me included), but if you want one badly you would save ( or beg/steal).
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Banksy Donuts Print, by blackheart on Aug 1, 2009 23:36:00 GMT 1, i like this method of selling........ less work for POW and similar work for the collector. I think they should keep the same pool taking out the people who have al ready won until everyone gets one then start a new pool. why not right? All they have to do is release them and get them out there. They will get into the right hands eventually. The more flippers that get them the more hype there is......... Its good for the art and the artist as much as it sucks for the collector......
those who missed....... our day will come
i like this method of selling........ less work for POW and similar work for the collector. I think they should keep the same pool taking out the people who have al ready won until everyone gets one then start a new pool. why not right? All they have to do is release them and get them out there. They will get into the right hands eventually. The more flippers that get them the more hype there is......... Its good for the art and the artist as much as it sucks for the collector......
those who missed....... our day will come
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Banksy Donuts Print, by spenie1975 on Aug 1, 2009 23:42:05 GMT 1, Only one way to stop flipping - sell them at market value in the first place, or significantly closer. It will ensure that the bulk will end up in the right hands. I know this may make it harder for people to purchase (me included), but if you want one badly you would save ( or beg/steal).
Problem then is fans can no longer get them at the cheaper price, if you are lucky enough to get from source then great. you got a bargain, if not pay the market rate off ebay. Granted someone is making money but better that only 20% of the prints hit market value than the full 100%. A lot of collectors on here got the email and will hopefully frame up and keep.
Only one way to stop flipping - sell them at market value in the first place, or significantly closer. It will ensure that the bulk will end up in the right hands. I know this may make it harder for people to purchase (me included), but if you want one badly you would save ( or beg/steal). Problem then is fans can no longer get them at the cheaper price, if you are lucky enough to get from source then great. you got a bargain, if not pay the market rate off ebay. Granted someone is making money but better that only 20% of the prints hit market value than the full 100%. A lot of collectors on here got the email and will hopefully frame up and keep.
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Banksy Donuts Print, by Deleted on Aug 1, 2009 23:47:49 GMT 1, Only one way to stop flipping - sell them at market value in the first place, or significantly closer. It will ensure that the bulk will end up in the right hands. I know this may make it harder for people to purchase (me included), but if you want one badly you would save ( or beg/steal).
That might work, but would the new secondary price also go up too? They should name and shame the flippers, and then flog them for a change ;D
Only one way to stop flipping - sell them at market value in the first place, or significantly closer. It will ensure that the bulk will end up in the right hands. I know this may make it harder for people to purchase (me included), but if you want one badly you would save ( or beg/steal). That might work, but would the new secondary price also go up too? They should name and shame the flippers, and then flog them for a change ;D
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Banksy Donuts Print, by Standard on Aug 2, 2009 0:04:51 GMT 1, I don't think the secondary market would increase, or not by a great deal if they sold them at market value.
I like the pool idea, perhaps POW using a detailed application system, a sort of Banksy club (!). You register your details having supplied photo and personal identification, and you go on a waiting list. I suppose it could work and they could even charge a small levy (charitable) to join and they could probably make something more of it.
One problem with flippers and their flipping antics is that it will probably get worse. The more people who realise that they can make a quick 1K+ then the more attractive these releases will be to people with no intention of keeping the art. Therefore it will become harder for the true fans of the artist to acquire below market value prints.
I don't think the secondary market would increase, or not by a great deal if they sold them at market value.
I like the pool idea, perhaps POW using a detailed application system, a sort of Banksy club (!). You register your details having supplied photo and personal identification, and you go on a waiting list. I suppose it could work and they could even charge a small levy (charitable) to join and they could probably make something more of it.
One problem with flippers and their flipping antics is that it will probably get worse. The more people who realise that they can make a quick 1K+ then the more attractive these releases will be to people with no intention of keeping the art. Therefore it will become harder for the true fans of the artist to acquire below market value prints.
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Banksy Donuts Print, by monkeyart on Aug 2, 2009 1:20:33 GMT 1, This is now boring! I'm not interested in talking via pm. Now Grant you are flipper, Dface, Bast etc etc, you moan about these people making money of a Banksy print???
This is now boring! I'm not interested in talking via pm. Now Grant you are flipper, Dface, Bast etc etc, you moan about these people making money of a Banksy print???
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Banksy Donuts Print, by grantb on Aug 2, 2009 1:34:13 GMT 1, im not moaning about people selling for profit ?
what dface have i flipped ?
not sold my bast.
so what...i didnt sell straight away. ive never bought anything with the intention to sell
so tell me..what was your last account? why the new name?
and what are black rat/pow aware of ?
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Banksy Donuts Print, by grantb on Aug 2, 2009 1:36:39 GMT 1, and are you suggesting if i got a donut i would flip it?
and are you suggesting if i got a donut i would flip it?
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Banksy Donuts Print, by bullet on Aug 2, 2009 1:40:01 GMT 1, man, donut flipping... theres a job right there.
man, donut flipping... theres a job right there.
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Banksy Donuts Print, by monkeyart on Aug 2, 2009 1:44:14 GMT 1, You wanted to sell your bast! You wanted to sell your dface 1 of 1! Your sales thread is nothing more than over 1 year, yet you slag off a newbie! I'm a newbie so look forward to the education. Now stop slagging off people for selling things for a profit in a short term, before enjoying it, as your happy to do so? Long term members on here have noted, Im a newbie, help!! don't slag me off! Do you really think your a respected collector?
You wanted to sell your bast! You wanted to sell your dface 1 of 1! Your sales thread is nothing more than over 1 year, yet you slag off a newbie! I'm a newbie so look forward to the education. Now stop slagging off people for selling things for a profit in a short term, before enjoying it, as your happy to do so? Long term members on here have noted, Im a newbie, help!! don't slag me off! Do you really think your a respected collector?
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Banksy Donuts Print, by monkeyart on Aug 2, 2009 1:46:44 GMT 1, and are you suggesting if i got a donut i would flip it?
Without a doubt!
and are you suggesting if i got a donut i would flip it? Without a doubt!
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Banksy Donuts Print, by grantb on Aug 2, 2009 1:47:20 GMT 1,
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Banksy Donuts Print, by bullet on Aug 2, 2009 1:48:12 GMT 1, mmmmmmmmmm
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Banksy Donuts Print, by grantb on Aug 2, 2009 1:53:50 GMT 1, You wanted to sell your bast! You wanted to sell your dface 1 of 1! Your sales thread is nothing more than over 1 year, yet you slag off a newbie! I'm a newbie so look forward to the education. Now stop slagging off people for selling things for a profit in a short term, before enjoying it, as your happy to do so? Long term members on here have noted, Im a newbie, help!! don't slag me off! Do you really think your a respected collector?
no your not a newbie...if you are then do your research.
I have never attempted to sell my 1/1 dface. !!!!!!! ?
show me....where? i think you can ask anyone on here that.
i swapped my one over for a different one that i preferred.
who have i slagged off ?
and lastly i dont care what people think..especially you
people who know me..know that im a nice guy
schlomo pezlow stickee sand european bob aviansecurity ruggs
+ more.
so dont make out people dont like me.
I would not flip the print if i had one. clear ?
You wanted to sell your bast! You wanted to sell your dface 1 of 1! Your sales thread is nothing more than over 1 year, yet you slag off a newbie! I'm a newbie so look forward to the education. Now stop slagging off people for selling things for a profit in a short term, before enjoying it, as your happy to do so? Long term members on here have noted, Im a newbie, help!! don't slag me off! Do you really think your a respected collector? no your not a newbie...if you are then do your research. I have never attempted to sell my 1/1 dface. !!!!!!! ? show me....where? i think you can ask anyone on here that. i swapped my one over for a different one that i preferred. who have i slagged off ? and lastly i dont care what people think..especially you people who know me..know that im a nice guy schlomo pezlow stickee sand european bob aviansecurity ruggs + more. so dont make out people dont like me. I would not flip the print if i had one. clear ?
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Banksy Donuts Print, by mace on Aug 2, 2009 1:56:15 GMT 1, I'm considering to buy a Donut print via eBay. I know it supports flipping, but I just love the image. It makes the cops look dumm.
So, from your experiences regarding recent releases, do you think it's cheaper to buy one now where the bay is flooded or wait a couple of weeks ?
I'm considering to buy a Donut print via eBay. I know it supports flipping, but I just love the image. It makes the cops look dumm. So, from your experiences regarding recent releases, do you think it's cheaper to buy one now where the bay is flooded or wait a couple of weeks ?
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Banksy Donuts Print, by grantb on Aug 2, 2009 2:00:21 GMT 1, wait a couple of weeks i reckon. there will be a lot more, prints tend to be at their peek at the start. cant see this edition making huge sums as i think it wont be as rare as nola, vlh.
wait a couple of weeks i reckon. there will be a lot more, prints tend to be at their peek at the start. cant see this edition making huge sums as i think it wont be as rare as nola, vlh.
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Banksy Donuts Print, by notworthit on Aug 2, 2009 2:31:37 GMT 1, yep definitely hold on.Check the graphs on expressobeans and you'll see they're almost all 'u' shaped with highest prices just after release, a bit of a lull, then they pick up again
yep definitely hold on.Check the graphs on expressobeans and you'll see they're almost all 'u' shaped with highest prices just after release, a bit of a lull, then they pick up again
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Banksy Donuts Print, by howies on Aug 2, 2009 2:34:43 GMT 1, or just register everyone who has bought from POW before, there should be some of us who wont put it on ebay in a week....
Totally agree ....although some serial flippers will still get them it might go to collectors and fans of street art....
but in saying that POW is a business and as a few of the last releases has not sold out this gives them a whole new clientele base to help with these sales.
or just register everyone who has bought from POW before, there should be some of us who wont put it on ebay in a week.... Totally agree ....although some serial flippers will still get them it might go to collectors and fans of street art.... but in saying that POW is a business and as a few of the last releases has not sold out this gives them a whole new clientele base to help with these sales.
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