[James Smith 77]

[sm]

great video.

[waXology]

i really rate him too.

recently here in Aus they ran a 60mins thing on Facebook, and i noticed some of his work around the office. then i found this

www.facebook.com/photo_search.php?oid=2346983492&view=all#/group.php?gid=2346983492

seems he painted the whole office.

[lee3]

I find him incredibly talented as well. As far as video available, I'm yet to see anything that has left me as amazed as the first minute of whales and orgies. There is just something special watching him so effortlessly paint that woman in the bathroom with what appears to be abstract initially and then your mind (my mind at least) tries to catch up to the speed his is working and in less than 30 seconds (including his once over glance to make sure he's happy with it before leaving one last line) he makes a composition that just leaves me speechless. I can't guess how many times I've watched the first minute of this but it's well over 100 (great accompanying soundtrack too):



I also dig that video of him spray painting a head with a pair of cans.

[cashman]

Jun 8, 2008 8:45:16 GMT 1 lee3 said:

I find him incredibly talented as well. As far as video available, I'm yet to see anything that has left me as amazed as the first minute of whales and orgies. There is just something special watching him so effortlessly paint that woman in the bathroom with what appears to be abstract initially and then your mind (my mind at least) tries to catch up to the speed his is working and in less than 30 seconds (including his once over glance to make sure he's happy with it before leaving one last line) he makes a composition that just leaves me speechless. I can't guess how many times I've watched the first minute of this but it's well over 100 (great accompanying soundtrack too):



I also dig that video of him spray painting a head with a pair of cans.

next level graff, justa shame he seems like a bit of a bel

[Simococo]

I think his talent is unquestionable, and being looned up helps too but I really do think that Laz went too high too soon on the prices of his canvas works. Am I right in saying that the top end at Levine's last year was $10K and Laz has priced many at over $50k plus VAT?

[cashman]

Jun 8, 2008 9:23:14 GMT 1 Simococo said:

I think his talent is unquestionable, and being looned up helps too but I really do think that Laz went too high too soon on the prices of his canvas works. Am I right in saying that the top end at Levine's last year was $10K and Laz has priced many at over $50k plus VAT?

true, most geniuses are a bit mental (mean that in the best possible way). Laz's price structuring shows how lttle experience he has in the art work and that he's in it for the quick buck.
Its a pity coz he's gonna ruin a few careers while trying to play the art dealer

[guest2]

Jun 8, 2008 9:28:13 GMT 1 @cashman said:

Jun 8, 2008 9:23:14 GMT 1 Simococo said:

I think his talent is unquestionable, and being looned up helps too but I really do think that Laz went too high too soon on the prices of his canvas works. Am I right in saying that the top end at Levine's last year was $10K and Laz has priced many at over $50k plus VAT?

true, most geniuses are a bit mental (mean that in the best possible way). Laz's price structuring shows how lttle experience he has in the art work and that he's in it for the quick buck.
Its a pity coz he's gonna ruin a few careers while trying to play the art dealer

Didn't 'little bird' say that Choe dictated the prices? Or have I got that wrong.

[cashman]

even if choe dictated the prices, Laz has/is doing it to others

[Simococo]

I heal fast is magnificent

I would have loved one of the large pieces and I really thought Laz was going to come in similar to Harrington but unfortunately no. Premiere pricing for first UK show.

maybe he should put a "sale" on?

[jstjst]

Morning all,

Will consider sensible offers to sell one (only) of the following:

Signed Happy Chopper (With Lazinc provenence)
Signed Jack & Jill (With POW provenece)
Unsigned CND (With POW provenece)

Would prefer to go to someone on here, if possible. Please PM me if interested.

Thanks

[cashman]

Jun 8, 2008 9:43:10 GMT 1 jstjst said:

Morning all,

Will consider sensible offers to sell one (only) of the following:

Signed Happy Chopper (With Lazinc provenence)
Signed Jack & Jill (With POW provenece)
Unsigned CND (With POW provenece)

Would prefer to go to someone on here, if possible. Please PM me if interested.




Thanks

wrong thread....has nuffin to do with choe

[Simococo]

Jun 8, 2008 10:08:51 GMT 1 @lovingit said:

Jun 8, 2008 9:23:14 GMT 1 Simococo said:

I think his talent is unquestionable, and being looned up helps too but I really do think that Laz went too high too soon on the prices of his canvas works. Am I right in saying that the top end at Levine's last year was $10K and Laz has priced many at over $50k plus VAT?

No you are not right. Its been a very long time since you could but a choe canvas/board for $10k.
The prices in his Lazarides shows started far lower than $50k, they were set by David Choe himself and were market prices whether that be Lazarides, Levine or SF24.

How much were the canvas works at Levine's?

I was talking about the top end prices, hence why I wrote "top end" as opposed to what did they "start at."

I was right. I am right.

about what I don't know.

[felix]

davechoe.blogspot.com/

Who gives a fuck what he charges? He is one of the greatest, most entertaining artists out there and he deserves all he gets.

[Gentle Mental]

not flava of the month, loads of prints left unsold -

i blame laz...

in fact i blame laz for the decline of choe, blu, 3d, and most importantly... micallef....

insect would've suffered the same fate if it weren't for hirst.

[felix]

Not flavour of the month because he hasn't sold out his prints?

In the big scale of things print sales don't mean shit about the artist, It usually means they can't be flipped. Most of the originals were sold, so it means real collectors are buying.

[lee3]

Jun 8, 2008 10:08:51 GMT 1 @lovingit said:

Jun 8, 2008 9:23:14 GMT 1 Simococo said:

I think his talent is unquestionable, and being looned up helps too but I really do think that Laz went too high too soon on the prices of his canvas works. Am I right in saying that the top end at Levine's last year was $10K and Laz has priced many at over $50k plus VAT?

No you are not right. Its been a very long time since you could but a choe canvas/board for $10k.
The prices in his Lazarides shows started far lower than $50k, they were set by David Choe himself and were market prices whether that be Lazarides, Levine or SF24.

He was absolutely correct in what he wrote before. Top end pieces at Levine were $10k (I consider City Girl which is 4 feet square to be top end) and i picked that painting up for a tad under $10k. At the Laz show, similar sized paintings were priced from a minimum of $40k to a maximum of $75k. The similar pieces (See no, hear no, speak no triptych) were all gone before i had a crack at them and i would have bought them all at 10X the price that i paid merely a year and a half earlier for a "similar composition." As it is, i bought more than a few at that size and was HAPPY to do so. His talent is undeniable when you see these things in the flesh and as opposed to some of the artists who's prices seem to hit the stratosphere overnight, Choe had a rock solid 10+ year career behind him, had self published a few books, and had numerous sold out shows on the resume. This is one case where I thought pricing was set fairly in this rapidly rising price scene. Considering all the watercolors were sold almost immediately and there are (last i saw) 2 out of 27 paintings remaining between the two Laz shows I'd say he did just fine. From my vantage point, this was and/is a talent that had been simmering for years and now looks to be an overnight sensation when it was really anything but. Couple all this with a film about his life and art coming out which we all know without seeing is only going to help him further especially given some of the videos posted initially in this thread.

One measure I personally use (and I know much wiser people that do the same as they are the ones that taught me) to see whether or not an artists is fairly priced is do you constantly see recent stuff turning up at auction and failing to get purchased or selling at or near former pricing? To me, that is an indication that the seller isn't in love with the work and wanted to move it to make room for something else. If pricing has jumped exponentially, one expects to see some supply hit the tape. As far as I'm aware of, I have not seen one larger painting from either the Levine or Laz shows be offered up for resale (though i don't follow ebay) AND prices did in fact jump exponentially between the two shows. That says a lot to me and I, for one, can easily understand why- he's that talented of an artist which is extremely rare. Though take what I say about Choe's artwork with a dose of salt as i'm obviously biased.

[Simococo]

If only two paintings remain then the prices are clearly fair. I had wrongly been informed that there were quite a few still available hence why I was confused with the pricing by Laz.

Anyway the boys got talent and I have a lovely piece on its way so praise be.

[mose]

Jun 8, 2008 19:36:28 GMT 1 Simococo said:

If only two paintings remain then the prices are clearly fair. I had wrongly been informed that there were quite a few still available hence why I was confused with the pricing by Laz.

Anyway the boys got talent and I have a lovely piece on its way so praise be.

just a complete side note, if you check the inventory of all three Laz's, there are several Choe's from the exhibits available.

edit: quick count, might be off by 1-2, is 14 total pieces with 11 being the large mixed media works and 3 watercolors. This does not take into account any that might not be listed, as I had heard the installation boards were also going on sale.

I'm not attributing any meaning to this, just pointing it out to make sure discussion has all the facts.

Personally, I love Choe's vibe/work but didn't much care for the Laz. show pictures I've seen and was saddened that there wasn't a Lazinc. book for the show. Pictures posted by Lee and work I've seen in the past just seemed a bit better to my taste.

[Heavyconsumer]

Jun 8, 2008 19:39:27 GMT 1 mose said:

Jun 8, 2008 19:36:28 GMT 1 Simococo said:

If only two paintings remain then the prices are clearly fair. I had wrongly been informed that there were quite a few still available hence why I was confused with the pricing by Laz.

Anyway the boys got talent and I have a lovely piece on its way so praise be.

just a complete side note, if you check the inventory of all three Laz's, there are several Choe's from the exhibits available.

edit: quick count, might be off by 1-2, is 14 total pieces with 11 being the large mixed media works and 3 watercolors. This does not take into account any that might not be listed, as I had heard the installation boards were also going on sale.

I'm not attributing any meaning to this, just pointing it out to make sure discussion has all the facts.

Personally, I love Choe's vibe/work but didn't much care for the Laz. show pictures I've seen and was saddened that there wasn't a Lazinc. book for the show. Pictures posted by Lee and work I've seen in the past just seemed a bit better to my taste.

I think Laz just fail to keep the websites updated with sales. Maybe it generates more enquiries for the few odd pieces that really are left over...

I agree 100% about the Laz show pictures. I respect it's different in the flesh, but Lee3's pictures of his Choes and quite a few others I've seen are far nicer imo to much of what Laz were exhibiting.

I love a lot of Choe's work. In fact, I think he's an exceptional artist. Whatever it is that makes him that, good on him, but when I see youtube videos of him talking he seems quite the rebelious, angry child, with comments such as "I could still rob your house."

[lee3]

>>>I love a lot of Choe's work. In fact, I think he's an exceptional artist. Whatever it is that makes him that, good on him, but when I see youtube videos of him talking he seems quite the rebelious, angry child, with comments such as "I could still rob your house."
<<<

I get the impression from him directly that he's past that stage in his life. Remember, this film is 10 years in the making and this movement and prices were A LOT different even 5 years ago let alone 10. I said some really dumb stuff 10 years ago (still do), the difference being that I don't have a camera following me around. A lot of the video we've seen is from LONG before the street movement made it into the galleries or our homes.

[Martin Whatson]

that mov is one of the most inspiering things ive seen.
Been watching that over and over again the last couple of years!

Defo a favorite!

[EHC]

just saw these new interviews from his blog. up close and personal.

Part 1
www.undergroundhiphop.com/video/detail.asp?ID=884&Video=David-Choe-Interview-Pt.-1-Live-At-The-Good-Life-Boston,-MA-11-27-07

Pt. 2
www.undergroundhiphop.com/video/detail.asp?ID=885&Video=David-Choe-Interview-Pt.-2-Live-At-The-Good-Life-Boston,-MA-11-27-07

Pt. 3
www.undergroundhiphop.com/video/detail.asp?ID=886&Video=David-Choe-Interview-Pt.-3-Live-At-The-Good-Life-Boston,-MA-11-27-07

[Heavyconsumer]

Jun 8, 2008 20:10:31 GMT 1 lee3 said:

>>>I love a lot of Choe's work. In fact, I think he's an exceptional artist. Whatever it is that makes him that, good on him, but when I see youtube videos of him talking he seems quite the rebelious, angry child, with comments such as "I could still rob your house."
<<<

I get the impression from him directly that he's past that stage in his life. Remember, this film is 10 years in the making and this movement and prices were A LOT different even 5 years ago let alone 10. I said some really dumb stuff 10 years ago (still do), the difference being that I don't have a camera following me around. A lot of the video we've seen is from LONG before the street movement made it into the galleries or our homes.

Points well taken Lee and I'm limited to youtube, whereas you actually know the man, so I bow to your superior knowledge.

I think it's the saddest fucking thing that so many talented people have a tendancy to self-destruct and I would love to see Choe hang around for many many years and continue to create fantastic art.