Shepard Fairey George Orwell Prints/ books

[eyectopus]

Could they be offsets screen printed over? f5ers did you get two different numbers? I expected the two prints to be numbered the same.

[walters]

i bought mine purely as an investment(and a new copy of 1984).but judging by the pics,these will look great hung together.in one big frame maybe?

[f5ers]

Nov 23, 2008 12:52:47 GMT 1 eyectopus said:

Could they be offsets screen printed over? f5ers did you get two different numbers? I expected the two prints to be numbered the same.

I haven't recieved mine yet.. these are all pictures from EB (Expresso beans). I expect mine will show up tomorrow. I will let say for sure whether they are silkscreens. From what people have been saying about them stinking like their other Obey prints they are more than likely silkscreens.

[Winter]

One on ebay already
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220316369923&_trksid=p3907.m32&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching

[Happy Shopper]

The original Shep "Big Brother" poster (using the same eye) was much nicer. Still after one of those at some point.
Interesting to see if these go on Ebay for more or less.

[stickee]

Nov 23, 2008 14:55:26 GMT 1 Winter said:

One on ebay already
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220316369923&_trksid=p3907.m32&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching

cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270301037017

[f5ers]

Got mine today.. they are indeed offsets.

[Gallery My Arse]

Mine arrived today and they are both lovely.

[Dellboyy]

Long story, but i bought two sets, and ended up only needing one... if anyone wants one for cost plus postage give me a shout!

They haven't arrived yet, so i'll check everything's in good nick first of course!

(now gone!)

[manchestermike]

Nov 24, 2008 16:31:39 GMT 1 Dellboyy said:

Long story, but i bought two sets, and ended up only needing one... if anyone wants one for cost plus postage give me a shout!

They haven't arrived yet, so i'll check everything's in good nick first of course!

YHPM ;D

[matbat]

Hi,

I received mine today. These are definitely not screen prints. I have showed these to my neighbour who is a screenprinter by trade (onto leather). There are 4 main signs.

Firstly the image runs right up to the edge of the paper. This is not possible with screens.

Secondly, if you look from the side of the print the application of each colour may have very slight raised appearance. This is not true of these.

Thirdly, more often than not beacause screen printing is operated by a human there can be very subtle offsets in the positioning each colour. This is not apparent at all on these.

And to top it all off there are alot of colours going on here and would be quite a complicated achievement for a screenprint.

These are 100% offset lithos.

If you are not happy about this, as i am not then PM your email and i shall include you on an email to Penguin.

I do wish to keep the prints but we are due compensation of some kind as these were sold as screenprints which have the added value of being created by hand. Offsets lithos do not.

Thanks,

matt

[rosstierney]

i don't know why anyone would make a complaint against this set whether they be lithos or screen prints

two books & limited signed prints for £80? all day

penguin are not art printers by trade so give them a break

[matbat]

I will make a complaint beacause they were sold as Screenprints.

When you buy from the internet it is imperative that the wording is correct.

If you buy a 8gb memory stick and when you receive it and its 4gb what do you do.

I dont have 100 which is what i payed for something my laser jet could do.

thanks,

matt

[matbat]

Also Ross. Penguin might not be art printers by trade but they are international booksellers and should know how to list something properly.

[Andy'77]

I think I'm more bothered that mine arrived with a load of rolling marks on both prints. Definitely a book company not a print company. Still I doubt they'll have spare so I'll just have to make do, at least you can't tell from the front.

[matbat]

dude just email them and tell them they are damaged. Whats wrong with this accepting country. These guys are a multimillion pound international outfit. Part of the pearson group. Tell them you want some money off beacuse they are damaged. jeezzz

[rosstierney]

Nov 25, 2008 20:37:19 GMT 1 matbat said:

I dont have 100 which is what i payed for something my laser jet could do.

your laser jet can hand sign & number? i'd appreciate you posting a link where i can buy one. cheers.

[matbat]

You are right my Laser jet cant sign and number but thats not my point.

Screenprinting is an Artform. It takes time. No 2 are identical.

Regardless of what you say Ross i dont write pointless posts. It is important to me that Penguin realise that they have wrongly sold Lithograph under the guise of Screenprints.

There is a big difference and i suggest you learn a bit about it.

Ask Ben Eine here [e-mail]. He will tell you all about screenprinting vs Lithos.

[stickee]

When I saw these prints in the flesh today i was thinking more Inkjet/giclee than litho

And matbat you can get screenprinted posters with ink all the way up to the edge, a decent printer will not make colour registration mistakes on the print and not all screenprinting ink has a raised profile.

But all that aside they aint screenprints But as I said in a previous post these particular prints benefit from not being screen printed

[Pattycakes]

Mat you are a muppet. Do shut up, be happy with your prints and relax. Considering you don't know the difference between a silkscreen and a offset and need to ask your neighbor it really shouldn't matter what they are.

[matbat]

Thanks for calling me a muppet.

I cant believe the grief i get for stating on a forum that i was sold something different to that which was advertised.

Im not a muppet PRINTGURU. Yeah so i asked my friend some advice. Big fucking deal. I wanted to know if i got what i paid for.

If your a print guru surely you can understand the craftmanship behind a screenprint. Why do POW generally sell Screenprints?

Er, in my ltd knowledge its because you get a one off. Each one is different. A piece of art.

Not a photocopy. And thats the point i will be making to Penguin.

And dont give me that shit about penguin not being an Art printers. They would probably have bought these off Shep or had some third Party run them off. Strangely enough isnt that what POW used to do.

By the way i dig your stuff stickee.

[afroken]

What would be the point of doing a run of 200 as a litho? That would be way too expensive to produce. It's more likely that these are digital prints.

[Pattycakes]

Hi Mat, I understand fully how screenprints are made and to be honest most of the prints that come out of POW are pretty rudimentary, but then their set up is very basic - so you gets what you pay for.

My point is since you really don't know what you're talking about I don't see why it should bother you.

[Pattycakes]

Further more screenprints are not one offs they are multiples and frankly designed to be identical, the fact they they are hand printed is more or less irrelevant.

[matbat]

"My point is since you really don't know what you're talking about I don't see why it should bother you".

It bothers me because i haven't got what i paid for MR GURU. It also bothers me that you tell me what i do and dont know.

I obviously know a enough to think these dont look like screenprints as stated and thats why i asked my friend.

It also bothers me that you have the audacity to be calling yourself PRINTGURU.

[stickee]

chillout guys its only paper!

I can see both of your points on this but lets look at it from another angle would there be people moaning if these were indeed screenprints and they looked not a lot like the preview pics (which they would not of done unless the were 20 layer high end jobbies )

Matbat has a valid point that he was missold an item and I think a lot of people are a bit pissed off (including me that not only was the item badly described ( for better or for worse if it was actually a screenprint) but to lay the boot in the second you open the box you spot the bashed up books and then you pull out the tube with no Kraft paper or endcaps and then you pull out the prints and see the rolling creases and then!!! finally they are not even screenprints....phew!

So to summarise why people are probably crying about the printing technique is cos they were charged twice the price of regular Obey screenprints and then throw in shoddy packaging that comes over a week later than stated on the website and get damaged litho/inkjet/digital/giclee prints people have a right to find extra excuses to vent thier anger and kick that stupid penguin into touch.

Peace

and printguru there is no need to talk down to people on forums because of your superior knowledge

So he went and asked a neighbour for advice? thats good rather than just coming on here and pretending he knew what he was talking about no? not everyone is born a guru.....some people have to ask a neighbour

[pezlow]

I had a good look at mine last night and I think they are offset lithos. I've got lots of shep screenprints and these don't have the same look and feel as the screenprints.

To answer Afroken's point my suspicion is that these are part of a larger unsigned run of posters to publicise the new book covers. This is just a theory on my part but it does seem unlikely that they would do a run of just 200 offset lithos as the cost would be disproportionate. They don't look like giclees either.

[buffin]

Where's CBL when you need him!

[pezlow]

By the way whilst I echo the comments about poor packaging above I actually think the prints are really nice in the flesh - some of my favourite shep imagery promoting two classic british novels - what is not to like!

[Pattycakes]

Morning Pez,

I think you're absolutely right, they are most likely part of a much larger edition to use as publicity within UK stores.

Allow me to clarify my position with Mat's statements, I think that complaining about the technique is ridiculous if you're A. Getting an absolute bargain for two signed prints. and B. Clearly complaining because the aftersale flipping value is affected by them not being screenprints.

If they arrived badly packed and damaged, that's one thing, and of course one should complain. If you're going to hang them on your wall and are pissed that they are offset-lithographs rather than screenprinted then you're whingeing about something that should be totally irellevant to you.