BONGO
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by BONGO on Sept 2, 2008 11:06:45 GMT 1, DO NOT BE PROKOVED BY MEDIA SPIN OF GLOBAL RECESSION
MARK BONGOS WORDS
SELL YOUR BANKSY NOW AND YOU WILL REGRET IT IN THE FUTURE
SELL IF YOU HAVE NO CHOICE, BUT THAT FEW POUNDS PROFIT YOU WASTE AT WETHERSPOONS AND BLING MOBILE PHONE WILL PALE WHEN COMPARED TO LOSS OF TREASURED ART
DO NOT BE PROKOVED BY MEDIA SPIN OF GLOBAL RECESSION
MARK BONGOS WORDS
SELL YOUR BANKSY NOW AND YOU WILL REGRET IT IN THE FUTURE
SELL IF YOU HAVE NO CHOICE, BUT THAT FEW POUNDS PROFIT YOU WASTE AT WETHERSPOONS AND BLING MOBILE PHONE WILL PALE WHEN COMPARED TO LOSS OF TREASURED ART
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Zippy
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by Zippy on Sept 2, 2008 11:11:00 GMT 1, I have to agree with Bungle / bongo.
I have to agree with Bungle / bongo.
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by Daniel Silk on Sept 2, 2008 11:12:16 GMT 1, DO NOT BE PROKOVED BY MEDIA SPIN OF GLOBAL RECESSION MARK BONGOS WORDS SELL YOUR BANKSY NOW AND YOU WILL REGRET IT IN THE FUTURE SELL IF YOU HAVE NO CHOICE, BUT THAT FEW POUNDS PROFIT YOU WASTE AT WETHERSPOONS AND BLING MOBILE PHONE WILL PALE WHEN COMPARED TO LOSS OF TREASURED ART
Spot on!
DO NOT BE PROKOVED BY MEDIA SPIN OF GLOBAL RECESSION MARK BONGOS WORDS SELL YOUR BANKSY NOW AND YOU WILL REGRET IT IN THE FUTURE SELL IF YOU HAVE NO CHOICE, BUT THAT FEW POUNDS PROFIT YOU WASTE AT WETHERSPOONS AND BLING MOBILE PHONE WILL PALE WHEN COMPARED TO LOSS OF TREASURED ART Spot on!
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by jonpud on Sept 2, 2008 11:23:56 GMT 1, What Bongo said! Should be buying now while deals are good, not selling!!
My WSM is still available if anyone wants it!! ;D
What Bongo said! Should be buying now while deals are good, not selling!! My WSM is still available if anyone wants it!! ;D
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by alsbabar on Sept 2, 2008 11:25:38 GMT 1, agree with Bingo
agree with Bingo
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loucastel
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October 2007
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by loucastel on Sept 2, 2008 11:40:02 GMT 1, Sorry , no way do I agree with that statement, apart from the credit thing, the spotlight has been on the urban/ street art genre and moved on, perhaps in say 20 years or so, a very few artists may have some cred at auction but that will be about it, you just have to look at art history to forecast the future to a degree, a very high percentage of todays artists will fall by the wayside and be forgotten, so if you think there is going to be a turnaround in this genre, dont hold your breath!!!
Sorry , no way do I agree with that statement, apart from the credit thing, the spotlight has been on the urban/ street art genre and moved on, perhaps in say 20 years or so, a very few artists may have some cred at auction but that will be about it, you just have to look at art history to forecast the future to a degree, a very high percentage of todays artists will fall by the wayside and be forgotten, so if you think there is going to be a turnaround in this genre, dont hold your breath!!!
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holden
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July 2008
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by holden on Sept 2, 2008 11:47:54 GMT 1, Want to Buy- Rat leaving sinking ship
Want to Buy- Rat leaving sinking ship
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by bobbyt23 on Sept 2, 2008 12:12:27 GMT 1, Loucastle- Agree that many artists will disappear but Bongo only mentions Banksy who I think will be one of very few to survive this scene.
Loucastle- Agree that many artists will disappear but Bongo only mentions Banksy who I think will be one of very few to survive this scene.
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Richard
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September 2007
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by Richard on Sept 2, 2008 12:19:28 GMT 1, Loucastle- Agree that many artists will disappear but Bongo only mentions Banksy who I think will be one of very few to survive this scene.
Banksy is the only artist I believe will be 'remembered'. Possibly Adam Neate.
I personally think DFace, Micallef, Choe et al will not be remembered.
Loucastle- Agree that many artists will disappear but Bongo only mentions Banksy who I think will be one of very few to survive this scene. Banksy is the only artist I believe will be 'remembered'. Possibly Adam Neate. I personally think DFace, Micallef, Choe et al will not be remembered.
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artstudent
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January 2008
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by artstudent on Sept 2, 2008 12:57:56 GMT 1, Sorry , no way do I agree with that statement, apart from the credit thing, the spotlight has been on the urban/ street art genre and moved on, perhaps in say 20 years or so, a very few artists may have some cred at auction but that will be about it, you just have to look at art history to forecast the future to a degree, a very high percentage of todays artists will fall by the wayside and be forgotten, so if you think there is going to be a turnaround in this genre, dont hold your breath!!!
Regarding Banksy I agree with Bongo. Banksy is an outrider and makes the street art market goes round. On most other artists I agree with Lou. I would guess in about 2 or 3 years most of the upcoming artists will be forgotten.
Sorry , no way do I agree with that statement, apart from the credit thing, the spotlight has been on the urban/ street art genre and moved on, perhaps in say 20 years or so, a very few artists may have some cred at auction but that will be about it, you just have to look at art history to forecast the future to a degree, a very high percentage of todays artists will fall by the wayside and be forgotten, so if you think there is going to be a turnaround in this genre, dont hold your breath!!! Regarding Banksy I agree with Bongo. Banksy is an outrider and makes the street art market goes round. On most other artists I agree with Lou. I would guess in about 2 or 3 years most of the upcoming artists will be forgotten.
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Prescription Art
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November 2007
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by Prescription Art on Sept 2, 2008 13:08:47 GMT 1, Have the YBA's been forgotten? Have Seen, Futura, Lady Pink, Blek Le Rat, Basquiat been forgotten?
The way in which many of the artists I enjoy have developed their talents over the last few years suggests to me that the best is yet to come. I also think that this art movement has much more significance than people give it credit for. The sheer number of people collecting & enjoying this work is unprecedented.
Also NO-ONE can predict who we will be talking about in 10 years time. 2 years ago no-one would have predicted that Adam Neate would become as good as he has. 1 year ago no-one talked about Parla. For all we know Cartrain might become the most talked about artist of the next 10 years.
I've got opinions about street artists that I think are crap, but there are a lot of artists celebrated by the 'art world' who I also think are crap. I just think that making predictions is a mugs game.
Have the YBA's been forgotten? Have Seen, Futura, Lady Pink, Blek Le Rat, Basquiat been forgotten?
The way in which many of the artists I enjoy have developed their talents over the last few years suggests to me that the best is yet to come. I also think that this art movement has much more significance than people give it credit for. The sheer number of people collecting & enjoying this work is unprecedented.
Also NO-ONE can predict who we will be talking about in 10 years time. 2 years ago no-one would have predicted that Adam Neate would become as good as he has. 1 year ago no-one talked about Parla. For all we know Cartrain might become the most talked about artist of the next 10 years.
I've got opinions about street artists that I think are crap, but there are a lot of artists celebrated by the 'art world' who I also think are crap. I just think that making predictions is a mugs game.
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docmax
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August 2008
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by docmax on Sept 2, 2008 13:19:01 GMT 1, Urban is the art that will define this generation, as Damien Hirst, Emin and the rest of the 'Brit Pack' defined the end of the last century and how Warhol and the pop artists defined their generation. Whats really exciting is that big established names in the art world are only just about catching on to this huge, underappreciated genre.
The tate modern has shown that urban art is beginning to become serious, certainly not that it is decline. Perhaps this isnt the greatest thing for scenesters who enjoy the alternative and somewhat exclusivity of the art. However I think that this acceptance will seal urban art's fate as the art movement of this young century.
Urban is the art that will define this generation, as Damien Hirst, Emin and the rest of the 'Brit Pack' defined the end of the last century and how Warhol and the pop artists defined their generation. Whats really exciting is that big established names in the art world are only just about catching on to this huge, underappreciated genre.
The tate modern has shown that urban art is beginning to become serious, certainly not that it is decline. Perhaps this isnt the greatest thing for scenesters who enjoy the alternative and somewhat exclusivity of the art. However I think that this acceptance will seal urban art's fate as the art movement of this young century.
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artstudent
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January 2008
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by artstudent on Sept 2, 2008 13:24:32 GMT 1, Have the YBA's been forgotten? Have Seen, Futura, Lady Pink, Blek Le Rat, Basquiat been forgotten?
I can't see Jean-Michel Basquiat as an street artist. He died 1988 as an heroin junkie and was the protรฉgรฉ of Andy Warhol but left no essentials.
Blek Le Ret, so-called Father of Street Art. He didn't made it in the past. He isn't doing it now. Why should somebody remember him in the future?
Have the YBA's been forgotten? Have Seen, Futura, Lady Pink, Blek Le Rat, Basquiat been forgotten? I can't see Jean-Michel Basquiat as an street artist. He died 1988 as an heroin junkie and was the protรฉgรฉ of Andy Warhol but left no essentials. Blek Le Ret, so-called Father of Street Art. He didn't made it in the past. He isn't doing it now. Why should somebody remember him in the future?
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jakek
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June 2008
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by jakek on Sept 2, 2008 13:48:07 GMT 1, DO NOT BE PROKOVED BY MEDIA SPIN OF GLOBAL RECESSION MARK BONGOS WORDS SELL YOUR BANKSY NOW AND YOU WILL REGRET IT IN THE FUTURE SELL IF YOU HAVE NO CHOICE, BUT THAT FEW POUNDS PROFIT YOU WASTE AT WETHERSPOONS AND BLING MOBILE PHONE WILL PALE WHEN COMPARED TO LOSS OF TREASURED ART
very true, the only things i've regretted selling were my banksys. I'd sold them before it all went huge in the states and i needed cash for a car, now i've got no chance of being able to buy the same things back!
DO NOT BE PROKOVED BY MEDIA SPIN OF GLOBAL RECESSION MARK BONGOS WORDS SELL YOUR BANKSY NOW AND YOU WILL REGRET IT IN THE FUTURE SELL IF YOU HAVE NO CHOICE, BUT THAT FEW POUNDS PROFIT YOU WASTE AT WETHERSPOONS AND BLING MOBILE PHONE WILL PALE WHEN COMPARED TO LOSS OF TREASURED ART very true, the only things i've regretted selling were my banksys. I'd sold them before it all went huge in the states and i needed cash for a car, now i've got no chance of being able to buy the same things back!
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slacker
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June 2007
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by slacker on Sept 2, 2008 14:28:09 GMT 1, i've picked up a few unsigned banksys in the last month or so but that's me skint for now.
i certainly don't think that prices have hit the bottom yet and a number of people seem to be waiting for the usual peak after the summer holiday period which i am not convinced will materialise.
the prices may go up a bit but i think there will be a lot more to choose from at the end of september and into october as people panic sell because prices aren't increasing or due to doubts about long term gains even if they do.
mine, they are going on the walls. i might sell some other stuff if the price increas materialises though.
i've picked up a few unsigned banksys in the last month or so but that's me skint for now. i certainly don't think that prices have hit the bottom yet and a number of people seem to be waiting for the usual peak after the summer holiday period which i am not convinced will materialise. the prices may go up a bit but i think there will be a lot more to choose from at the end of september and into october as people panic sell because prices aren't increasing or due to doubts about long term gains even if they do. mine, they are going on the walls. i might sell some other stuff if the price increas materialises though.
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by doublehelix on Sept 2, 2008 15:34:38 GMT 1, Spot on Bing Bong, all mine are staying on the wall.
Spot on Bing Bong, all mine are staying on the wall.
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craigf
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May 2007
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by craigf on Sept 2, 2008 15:39:22 GMT 1, Buy to put on the wall and enjoy ;D
Sell if you have to put food on the table to feed the kids, pay the mortgage etc.
I think it has been said many times before "real" art collectors tend to hold pieces for 10 years plus to make a return. Urban art has recently made a very fast return for the owners, now it looks a bit flaky, but like the stock market strong artists will continue to be sought after and over the longer term appreciate. I personally think this applies to Banksy, Micallef and probably Neate plus others that I have sadly missed off the list due ;D
Buy to put on the wall and enjoy ;D
Sell if you have to put food on the table to feed the kids, pay the mortgage etc.
I think it has been said many times before "real" art collectors tend to hold pieces for 10 years plus to make a return. Urban art has recently made a very fast return for the owners, now it looks a bit flaky, but like the stock market strong artists will continue to be sought after and over the longer term appreciate. I personally think this applies to Banksy, Micallef and probably Neate plus others that I have sadly missed off the list due ;D
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by snakes on Sept 2, 2008 20:07:37 GMT 1, Flip them now while you can as tomorrow they will be worthless pieces of paper with lovely pictures on!
I don't care however what my current collection will be worth as it has effectively cost me a total of ยฃ17.50 thanks to a little bit of trading
Flip them now while you can as tomorrow they will be worthless pieces of paper with lovely pictures on! I don't care however what my current collection will be worth as it has effectively cost me a total of ยฃ17.50 thanks to a little bit of trading
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oneeye
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July 2007
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by oneeye on Sept 2, 2008 21:26:52 GMT 1, I don't think this genre of art is going anywhere. It resonates with us on a personal level. That's what collecting art is all about.
Take value aside, I'd rather have a Banksy than a Warhol. A Parla than a Pollack. A Neate than a ....Picasso?
I'd hang on as well. Just watch what Banksy pulls off in the upcoming months. You'll be sorry you sold.
I don't think this genre of art is going anywhere. It resonates with us on a personal level. That's what collecting art is all about.
Take value aside, I'd rather have a Banksy than a Warhol. A Parla than a Pollack. A Neate than a ....Picasso?
I'd hang on as well. Just watch what Banksy pulls off in the upcoming months. You'll be sorry you sold.
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Bram
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November 2007
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by Bram on Sept 2, 2008 21:28:39 GMT 1, Of course Mr Bongo is presuming people are buying the stuff for financial gain rather than aesthetical pleasure.
Of course Mr Bongo is presuming people are buying the stuff for financial gain rather than aesthetical pleasure.
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Winter
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March 2007
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by Winter on Sept 2, 2008 21:33:21 GMT 1, Sell your rubbish, buy the best signed Banksy you can afford to and enjoy on the wall.
Sell your rubbish, buy the best signed Banksy you can afford to and enjoy on the wall.
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by worlddomination on Sept 2, 2008 22:36:44 GMT 1, I don't think this genre of art is going anywhere. It resonates with us on a personal level. That's what collecting art is all about. Take value aside, I'd rather have a Banksy than a Warhol. A Parla than a Pollack. A Neate than a ....Picasso? I'd hang on as well. Just watch what Banksy pulls off in the upcoming months. You'll be sorry you sold.
WD agrees
I don't think this genre of art is going anywhere. It resonates with us on a personal level. That's what collecting art is all about. Take value aside, I'd rather have a Banksy than a Warhol. A Parla than a Pollack. A Neate than a ....Picasso? I'd hang on as well. Just watch what Banksy pulls off in the upcoming months. You'll be sorry you sold. WD agrees
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by ricosg11 on Sept 2, 2008 23:07:25 GMT 1, I don't think this genre of art is going anywhere. It resonates with us on a personal level. That's what collecting art is all about. Take value aside, I'd rather have a Banksy than a Warhol. A Parla than a Pollack. A Neate than a ....Picasso? I'd hang on as well. Just watch what Banksy pulls off in the upcoming months. You'll be sorry you sold. WD agrees
I agree to a certain extent if talking in generalities, although lets be clear, most of your comparisons carry zero parallels.
I don't think this genre of art is going anywhere. It resonates with us on a personal level. That's what collecting art is all about. Take value aside, I'd rather have a Banksy than a Warhol. A Parla than a Pollack. A Neate than a ....Picasso? I'd hang on as well. Just watch what Banksy pulls off in the upcoming months. You'll be sorry you sold. WD agrees I agree to a certain extent if talking in generalities, although lets be clear, most of your comparisons carry zero parallels.
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lee3
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by lee3 on Sept 2, 2008 23:56:24 GMT 1, >>>Take value aside, I'd rather have a Banksy than a Warhol. A Parla than a Pollack. A Neate than a ....Picasso? <<<
I'll give you the first one. But, a Parla over a Pollock and a Neate over a Picasso? Not to single you out 1eye, but I've got to think that anyone suggesting anything over a Pollock just hasn't seen the right ones in person. You owe it to yourself to spend an hour in a room surrounded by his work especially if you are going to make proclamations like that one.
>>>Take value aside, I'd rather have a Banksy than a Warhol. A Parla than a Pollack. A Neate than a ....Picasso? <<<
I'll give you the first one. But, a Parla over a Pollock and a Neate over a Picasso? Not to single you out 1eye, but I've got to think that anyone suggesting anything over a Pollock just hasn't seen the right ones in person. You owe it to yourself to spend an hour in a room surrounded by his work especially if you are going to make proclamations like that one.
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by Deleted on Sept 3, 2008 0:02:09 GMT 1, I would take any Pollock and run then probably run back for the Picasso and Warhol as well.
I would take any Pollock and run then probably run back for the Picasso and Warhol as well.
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Cocteau 101
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January 2007
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by Cocteau 101 on Sept 3, 2008 0:14:26 GMT 1, If i could go back in time and spend time with an artist, Pollock would be my choice. Narcissism, arrogance, depression, insecurity, brilliance - what a fuckin man. I'm currently rereading the American Saga biography which is simply brilliant.
If i could go back in time and spend time with an artist, Pollock would be my choice. Narcissism, arrogance, depression, insecurity, brilliance - what a fuckin man. I'm currently rereading the American Saga biography which is simply brilliant.
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by suburbangangstar on Sept 3, 2008 0:23:19 GMT 1, Take value aside, I'd rather have a Banksy than a Warhol. A Parla than a Pollack. A Neate than a ....Picasso?
CAN YOU BE BANNED FOR INEPT THOUGHTS? YOU WOULD BE FIRST IN LINE
Take value aside, I'd rather have a Banksy than a Warhol. A Parla than a Pollack. A Neate than a ....Picasso? CAN YOU BE BANNED FOR INEPT THOUGHTS? YOU WOULD BE FIRST IN LINE
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oneeye
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July 2007
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by oneeye on Sept 3, 2008 1:25:28 GMT 1, Take value aside, I'd rather have a Banksy than a Warhol. A Parla than a Pollack. A Neate than a ....Picasso? CAN YOU BE BANNED FOR INEPT THOUGHTS? YOU WOULD BE FIRST IN LINE
Just wondering if you could be b**chslapped for such a foolish name Suburbangangster??? If so, I would smack you upside your thick head!........LOL Just playing with ya!!!
I was just trying to make a point that these artists we all love and collect strike a chord with me emotionally. And while I do appreciate the works of the greats I have more of a connection with the new school.
Aesthetic value only: Twombly or Parla? I'd still go with a Parla!
Ban me, talk s**t about me, throw me under the bus, but it's just how I feel.
Take value aside, I'd rather have a Banksy than a Warhol. A Parla than a Pollack. A Neate than a ....Picasso? CAN YOU BE BANNED FOR INEPT THOUGHTS? YOU WOULD BE FIRST IN LINE Just wondering if you could be b**chslapped for such a foolish name Suburbangangster??? If so, I would smack you upside your thick head!........LOL Just playing with ya!!! I was just trying to make a point that these artists we all love and collect strike a chord with me emotionally. And while I do appreciate the works of the greats I have more of a connection with the new school. Aesthetic value only: Twombly or Parla? I'd still go with a Parla! Ban me, talk s**t about me, throw me under the bus, but it's just how I feel.
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hitme
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December 2007
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BONGO SAY HOLD STEADY , by hitme on Sept 3, 2008 5:33:20 GMT 1, Dear GreatBingoBongoBango (or anybody else for that matter), do you think this "hold steady" and "hang onto your Banksy prints" for their value will be there in the long run advice ONLY holds for signed prints. where do the unsigned prints come in at 25 years from now when the urban art scene is more defined historically and all of the "masters" of this era are crowned? are people wasting their money investing in unsigned prints?
Dear GreatBingoBongoBango (or anybody else for that matter), do you think this "hold steady" and "hang onto your Banksy prints" for their value will be there in the long run advice ONLY holds for signed prints. where do the unsigned prints come in at 25 years from now when the urban art scene is more defined historically and all of the "masters" of this era are crowned? are people wasting their money investing in unsigned prints?
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