[hdduyddfj]

Does anyone have any info on an authentic edition of the pink background flying copper? Theres always been rumours of a signed ed in the 60s, Hang Up, banksy explained and Guy Hepner have it on the website as ed63 but the only versions I have seen is one in a youtube video of a B collector which had no border signature/edition number visible and the other image used by the galleries of a signed one with a border but no visible ed number. I messaged the YouTube chap to see if his is an authentic one or a backdoor but no reply.
 I asked PC a number of years ago and was told there was one in Santa's ghetto used for display purposes but nothing about an ed63. You would think if there was an ed63 it would have popped up at least a few times over the years publicly.
 Does anyone have an authentic ed63 pink or seen one in person?

[Daniel Silk]

Back in the day, at POW, they printed lots of Banksy images as test prints, different colours, prints on the back of prints, mirror paper! all sorts, I guess some were thrown away, stuck in a draw, given away to friends or sold off behind the scenes.

Oct 20, 2024 7:40:07 GMT 1 hdduyddfj said:

Does anyone have any info on an authentic edition of the pink background flying copper? Theres always been rumours of a signed ed in the 60s, Hang Up, banksy explained and Guy Hepner have it on the website as ed63 but the only versions I have seen is one in a youtube video of a B collector which had no border signature/edition number visible and the other image used by the galleries of a signed one with a border but no visible ed number. I messaged the YouTube chap to see if his is an authentic one or a backdoor but no reply.
 I asked PC a number of years ago and was told there was one in Santa's ghetto used for display purposes but nothing about an ed63. You would think if there was an ed63 it would have popped up at least a few times over the years publicly.
 Does anyone have an authentic ed63 pink or seen one in person?

[Schrödinger's Chat]

$1500 bid for a Peckham Rock, I've got a few I'd be willing to sell at that price.

[hdduyddfj]

Oct 20, 2024 8:14:17 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Back in the day, at POW, they printed lots of Banksy images as test prints, different colours, prints on the back of prints, mirror paper! all sorts, I guess some were thrown away, stuck in a draw, given away to friends or sold off behind the scenes.

Oct 20, 2024 7:40:07 GMT 1 hdduyddfj said:

Does anyone have any info on an authentic edition of the pink background flying copper? Theres always been rumours of a signed ed in the 60s, Hang Up, banksy explained and Guy Hepner have it on the website as ed63 but the only versions I have seen is one in a youtube video of a B collector which had no border signature/edition number visible and the other image used by the galleries of a signed one with a border but no visible ed number. I messaged the YouTube chap to see if his is an authentic one or a backdoor but no reply.
 I asked PC a number of years ago and was told there was one in Santa's ghetto used for display purposes but nothing about an ed63. You would think if there was an ed63 it would have popped up at least a few times over the years publicly.
 Does anyone have an authentic ed63 pink or seen one in person?

Yes thanks, I'm trying to work out if there's an ed63 as it's been advertised by multiple websites but never seen any confirmation

[Daniel Silk]

Try searching "Pink" on the Flying Copper thread -
urbanartassociation.com/thread/128/banksy-flying-copper-print

[hdduyddfj]

Oct 20, 2024 8:35:18 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Try searching "Pink" on the Flying Copper thread -
urbanartassociation.com/thread/128/banksy-flying-copper-print

Thanks Dan. There's not really any confirmation aside from the one that was at Gantas grotto 2007 on display without a border. That's the one that was in the YouTube video. There's been a few claims of others but nothing concrete regarding an edition.

[mika]

This is not a screenprint, but an image printed on photopaper

bid.juliensauctions.com/lot-details/index/catalog/565/lot/242263/banksy-flying-copper-pink-test-print

Artist: Banksy (British, b. 1974)
Title: Flying Copper (Pink)
Year: circa 2003
Medium: Inkjet on photo paper

An inkjet print of an alternate version of "Flying Copper" with more defined wings.

35 x 24 inches

Accompanied by a Certificate of Authenticity from Steve Lazarides PROVENANCE From The Collection of Steve Lazarides

prints

Estimate:
$10000
-
$20000

[hdduyddfj]

Yeah, I'm more interested in the ed63 version with coa and whether it exists.

[7star]

Oct 20, 2024 12:06:43 GMT 1 mika said:

This is not a screenprint, but an image printed on photopaper

bid.juliensauctions.com/lot-details/index/catalog/565/lot/242263/banksy-flying-copper-pink-test-print

Artist: Banksy (British, b. 1974)
Title: Flying Copper (Pink)
Year: circa 2003
Medium: Inkjet on photo paper

An inkjet print of an alternate version of "Flying Copper" with more defined wings.

35 x 24 inches

Accompanied by a Certificate of Authenticity from Steve Lazarides PROVENANCE From The Collection of Steve Lazarides

prints

Estimate:
$10000
-
$20000

Why are people buying this shite! It's not even a print but a photo of a print haha for 10-20k? It's preying on people who don't know what they are doing and it's obviously a money grab by Laz

[Daniel Silk]

Oct 20, 2024 12:54:33 GMT 1 7star said:

Oct 20, 2024 12:06:43 GMT 1 mika said:

This is not a screenprint, but an image printed on photopaper

bid.juliensauctions.com/lot-details/index/catalog/565/lot/242263/banksy-flying-copper-pink-test-print

Artist: Banksy (British, b. 1974)
Title: Flying Copper (Pink)
Year: circa 2003
Medium: Inkjet on photo paper

An inkjet print of an alternate version of "Flying Copper" with more defined wings.

35 x 24 inches

Accompanied by a Certificate of Authenticity from Steve Lazarides PROVENANCE From The Collection of Steve Lazarides

prints

Estimate:
$10000
-
$20000

Why are people buying this shite! It's not even a print but a photo of a print haha for 10-20k? It's preying on people who doesn't know what they are doing and it's obviously a money grab by Laz

"Photo of a Print" where does it say that?

[7star]

Inkjet on photo paper is a photo of a print no? Even if it's an official test or whatever ...... weren't the initial copper releases just silkscreens? So no proof whatever that Laz didn't just print out at least this lot ........

[7star]

The little originals are beautiful and very much worth owning but all the prints are crap .... sorry but its true, imagine paying 20k for a print and keeping it on your wall for 10 years say and you need or want to sell it and you can't...... B is well known for keeping as much control as possible over his works ....... you think these will be officially recognised? Going on B's past form for picking and choosing what gets a COA, I don't think they will

[Daniel Silk]

Oct 20, 2024 13:28:47 GMT 1 7star said:

Inkjet on photo paper is a photo of a print no? Even if it's an official test or whatever ...... weren't the initial copper releases just silkscreens? So no proof whatever that Laz didn't just print out at least this lot ........

No, just coz its an image printed on "Photo Paper" doesn't mean it's a photo. To me it's likely it was a digital image created on a computer, printed up on photo paper as a test, before creating the screen for the final print run.

[7star]

Oct 20, 2024 13:59:51 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Oct 20, 2024 13:28:47 GMT 1 7star said:

Inkjet on photo paper is a photo of a print no? Even if it's an official test or whatever ...... weren't the initial copper releases just silkscreens? So no proof whatever that Laz didn't just print out at least this lot ........

No, just coz its an image printed on "Photo Paper" doesn't mean it's a photo. To me it's likely it was a digital image created on a computer, printed up on photo paper as a test, before creating the screen for the final print run.

Ah that makes sense! Forgive me, I'm happy to admit screenprint knowledge isn't my strong point haha 😆 the issue still is then whoever buys them, needs to have complete trust in Laz ...... 

[Onket]

Oct 18, 2024 20:50:43 GMT 1 Londown 01 said:

You are really making the "New Threads" and "New Posts" buttons obsolete

I agree. The constant spamming of threads with insta links, constant merging of threads and mysterious bumping of old threads for no obvious reason are not improving the day to day experience at all.

[Lroy]

Oct 20, 2024 8:15:13 GMT 1 Schrödinger's Chat said:

$1500 bid for a Peckham Rock, I've got a few I'd be willing to sell at that price.

That’s what I said, they buy Lazarides, not Banksy.,

Art is not democratic at all. It’s disgusting.

[loui]

Oct 21, 2024 10:00:16 GMT 1 Lroy said:

Oct 20, 2024 8:15:13 GMT 1 Schrödinger's Chat said:

$1500 bid for a Peckham Rock, I've got a few I'd be willing to sell at that price.

That’s what I said, they buy Lazarides, not Banksy.,

Art is not democratic at all. It’s disgusting.

Many artists are OK. However, it’s hard to make a living from it. I guess therefore it makes some artists vulnerable to non ethical (read with very little integrity) powers. I don’t trust anyone in the art business who has an income above 20.000 quid net a year. I may not do justice to some artists this way but it does pretty much separate the wheat from the chaff I reckon.

[My Name is Frank]

Seems obvious that shilling is going on, or maybe I'm just a distrusting sort.

[18921892]

Oct 21, 2024 11:54:50 GMT 1 My Name is Frank said:

Seems obvious that shilling is going on, or maybe I'm just a distrusting sort.

It's also odd that the reserves are so high for these printers/backdoor/proofs.

[Boy Wonder]

Guy Hepner has my Bombhugger from The Basingstoke Gazette on his website. So I guess he just "lend" images to attract potential buyers to other works.

[The Italian One]

people bidding on those unnumbered and unsigned print are aware that the value is the same of an unnumbered backdoor print?

I mean... I can pay 10 k for the Lazaride's one with all the documentation, then I can buy all the backdoor out on the market and keep selling the backdoor as the one bought from Lazarides with the same documentations as there will be nothing that can link the unnumbered print from the others.

[Matt]

Oct 21, 2024 11:54:50 GMT 1 My Name is Frank said:

Seems obvious that shilling is going on, or maybe I'm just a distrusting sort.

this

Legit unsigned prints from legit auction houses getting less traction than this at the moment

smells fishy

[sfnyc]

Oct 20, 2024 13:32:29 GMT 1 7star said:

The little originals are beautiful and very much worth owning but all the prints are crap .... sorry but its true, imagine paying 20k for a print and keeping it on your wall for 10 years say and you need or want to sell it and you can't...... B is well known for keeping as much control as possible over his works ....... you think these will be officially recognised? Going on B's past form for picking and choosing what gets a COA, I don't think they will

Word. There is a reason Lazarides is selling this with Julien's instead of a reputable auction house. No legit auction house would want to touch most of this stuff, and buying most of these items would be near impossible to resell with a top tier auction house either. Julien's is known for selling stolen and fake reproduced street pieces. Going to them speaks volumes about Lazarides integrity...

[mojo]

Oct 21, 2024 14:18:04 GMT 1 Matt said:

Oct 21, 2024 11:54:50 GMT 1 My Name is Frank said:

Seems obvious that shilling is going on, or maybe I'm just a distrusting sort.

this

Legit unsigned prints from legit auction houses getting less traction than this at the moment

smells fishy

With the exception of a few of the ephemera ie. show flyers & invites (even though some were originally just photocopied) I think most of it could legally be considered a breach of employment confidentiality. At the very least selling private personal notes and sketches, publishing invoices and emails from PC/Artist without consent is bad form. I can't see many artists clamouring to work with him after this. At the risk of turning it into a Cinderella story those worn out trainers are the wrong size and wouldn't fit Banksy, they're too small.

[Majestic]

State of the bidding 😂🐟😭

[Lroy]

I still did not had a look on Julien /Lazarides auctions catalog. Just the first pages. I don’t care a bit. That’s said.
NO SUCH THING AS GOOD PUBLICITY

[inefficiency of]

Just looked at this thread. Absolutely awful move from Laz. Whats the bloke thinking!!!!

[hdduyddfj]

Oct 23, 2024 9:50:41 GMT 1 inefficiency of said:

Just looked at this thread. Absolutely awful move from Laz. Whats the bloke thinking!!!!

He's obviously cashing out. The auction stuffs just the leftovers, anything that'll bring in a few quid.
 The big question is will he cross that line and sell the photos at auction. There's no way to sugar coat it, if there's clear identifiable images of the artist it would be a d!*k move, he knows that. He seems well past the point of caring what people think though. Maybe he'll remove identifiable photos , who knows.
He also knows the potential value of the photos is in the artists identity. He doesn't have to say a name, the photos will say it.
Will the newspapers bid based on promises of images of the artist without seeing them? Not sure how that'll work if he's looking a big number.
He would certainly be going out with a bang. 

[ricardob]

He keeps adding more stuff to it.

He is going to make a million quid.

[loui]

You gotta wonder why Steve’s got something like this in his archive: 2004 JAMAICA GRAFFITI PHOTOS AND NEGATIVES SHOT BY BANKSY.
I mean I’m yet a relatively unknown writer and took pictures of my writing holiday in wherever and then I give these to a photographer who also happens to be my manager to archive them. What does this say about Banksy in the first place (a relatively unknown writer having a manager and never claimed his archive/pics back) and secondly what does it say about Steve selling them. No answer required 🙄