[hdduyddfj]

Oct 14, 2024 16:28:18 GMT 1 kaimac said:

Laz paper trail is about as solid provenance as you're ever going to get, so I'm sure people will buy without pest control COA. Pretty incredible that he's kept all this stuff.

“It’s got to the stage where [the gallery world] is about nothing other than monetary value and I just can’t work on those terms any more” - Steve Lazarides, 2019

Gonna watch this one closely.

Opening a gallery in Mayfair was an odd choice.
The drawings and letters are all interesting, should be in a museum ideally.
The print prices make no sense.

[mojo]

I just watched the video and am sad to say it was total cringe.  
Who the hell wants a box of old Nokia phones?  It just doesn't come across as very professional.  Sorry, just my opinion.

"Im not a man that ever looks at the past. The past is the past, it's done."

*Apart from when you want to drag up the past every five minutes to make money?

GLW(the spooky halloween)S.

[kaimac]

Just took a closer look at the auction items. Some of it comes across a bit sad / jilted ex?

Also a nice window into how rigged the system was / is. E.g. Damien Hirst gets to buy 30 or so prints because he's Damien Hirst? While the rest of us stand in line like dickheads.

[kaimac]

Whatever anyone thinks of Laz, this auction or Banksy, this will go down in history as one of the great auction notes:

<i>"A sheet of notes handwritten by Banksy regarding his temporary artwork installation, "McDonald's is Stealing Our Children," which involved a blow-up sex doll dressed as a kid, tethered to a large "McDonald's" balloon in Piccadilly Circus, London circa 2003/04."</i>

[cemltz]

Meh. Some fun stuff. I’m not too proud to take a shot at some items. Not overly concerned about COAs. “Under Duress” is a pretty sharp name for the auction.

[Boy Wonder]

Correct. But then it´s not a coa. But a coc. Certificate of Control.

A control that only allows specific auction houses to sell the souvenir wroks from the studio.

Market manipulation is a crime in EU.

[Lroy]

How he loves him ! the guy is in photo in all his auctions !

[vic]

The most interesting Banksy thread for years.
A sketch would be a great thing to own

[Acme Thunderer]

Some of the items in this auction have all the hallmarks of a psycho ex who hoards every memory they can.

I expect there will be a follow-up auction with a t-shirt that smells of Banksy’s aftershave, cigarette butts with his DNA and a napkin from their first date at a local Wimpy.

[Ruff star]

Laz goes all-in

[Happy Shopper]

Oct 14, 2024 17:47:39 GMT 1 kaimac said:

Also a nice window into how rigged the system was / is. E.g. Damien Hirst gets to buy 30 or so prints because he's Damien Hirst? While the rest of us stand in line like dickheads.

Back when these were first sold I think anybody could buy as many as they liked.
No queues or F5 bunfights.
Look at the prices. These were cheap back then, not worth thousands each.

[mojo]

Oct 14, 2024 17:47:39 GMT 1 kaimac said:

Just took a closer look at the auction items. Some of it comes across a bit sad / jilted ex?

Also a nice window into how rigged the system was / is. E.g. Damien Hirst gets to buy 30 or so prints because he's Damien Hirst? While the rest of us stand in line like dickheads.

There was a time when all of those prints were available to buy at cost without having to queue up...2003/4ish.

[PC Baby]

Sad !
Could have given Banksy first refusal, for old times' sake !

[kaimac]

Oct 14, 2024 20:49:29 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

Oct 14, 2024 17:47:39 GMT 1 kaimac said:

Also a nice window into how rigged the system was / is. E.g. Damien Hirst gets to buy 30 or so prints because he's Damien Hirst? While the rest of us stand in line like dickheads.

Back when these were first sold I think anybody could buy as many as they liked.
No queues or F5 bunfights.
Look at the prices. These were cheap back then, not worth thousands each.

Oh you're right. Didn't even think about that. I was thinking about the POW closing sale where insiders jumped the queue and snapped up a bunch of stuff while the rest of us looked on. But in 2001 it'll have been different, agreed.

I wonder if Damo Hirst owned any of my prints before me?

[Lroy]

Oct 14, 2024 20:14:25 GMT 1 vic said:

The most interesting Banksy thread for years.
A sketch would be a great thing to own

Sketches of Banksy have always been little masterpieces ! I saw a lot decades ago.
these ones are very deep and classy : best thing to buy.
prints ? We saw them thousands times. It’s time to see new stuff .

[Happy Shopper]

Oct 14, 2024 13:30:47 GMT 1 Acme Thunderer said:

Who’s Frank and was Damien a flipper?

What’s quite interesting about this document is that it debunks the conspiracy theory that “Damien Hirst is behind Banksy”.
It shows he had to buy his prints like everyone else.

[ck1]

Oct 14, 2024 22:50:32 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

Oct 14, 2024 13:30:47 GMT 1 Acme Thunderer said:

Who’s Frank and was Damien a flipper?

What’s quite interesting about this document is that it debunks the conspiracy theory that “Damien Hirst is behind Banksy”.
It shows he had to buy his prints like everyone else.

and paintings and sculptures

[ughmarco]

I mean would love some of the pieces
I am going on Thursday to see them in person

[kaimac]

Oct 14, 2024 22:50:32 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

Oct 14, 2024 13:30:47 GMT 1 Acme Thunderer said:

Who’s Frank and was Damien a flipper?

What’s quite interesting about this document is that it debunks the conspiracy theory that “Damien Hirst is behind Banksy”.
It shows he had to buy his prints like everyone else.

Does it though? If you believe that Hurst was involved, surely him buying a bunch of prints would make sense? Masquerading as a fan, but really being in on it.

I think that's bollocks, personally. But it's a fun rabbit hole to go down: 

The Makers of Banksy : Is Damien Hirst Banksy’s pudgy-fingered CEO and managing partner? That's my take...

HAM-FISTED BANKSY, GLASGOW, 2001

!(05ay5tfmwjeb1 "Steve Laxarides, Banksy Captured, v1")

Damien Hirst (DH) is a cheeky monkey.

He’s made no secret of his Banksy / Lazarides/ “00’s street-art movement” affiliations whether by Banksy’s 2007’s qua vandalised oil x DH collaboration “Keep it Spotless”…

!(epc1gltxwjeb1 "Banksy, Keep it Spotless, 2007")

… or by his works being sold at Steve Lazarides November 2007 Shadow Lounge auction, presumably as a contribution in kind to Banksy’s launch years end-run while cashing out Laz for 3 mil so he can become Banksy's dealer without a conflict of interest gong forward….

!(01zwqdw4xjeb1 "Lazarides Auction Catalog, 2007")

… or by his works being prominently featured as attractions and sold as art at the not-Banksy Dismaland show…

!(hym28ztaxjeb1 "DH work @ Dismaland, 2015")

…and where his “Unicorn” debuted at Dismaland’s closing party, as if he's tacitly admitting his Banksyness and keystone role in The Making of …

!(hliddspfxjeb1 "Damien Hirst, Unicorn, 2015")

… or by his shamelss shilling to the present of the broader street art brand, launched concomitantly with Banksy to seed a next generation of gallery artist that were mostly posing as street but where the vast majority were actually college-trained artist (See: Graffiti Lives by Gregory J Snyder) with a few Anons and ringers thrown in to expand the branded art offerings.

!(mosql8dt1keb1 "DH with ham-paws shamelessly mugging with Anon Street Art Brand Invader perhaps as played by Sasha Baron Cohen, 2021")

And though DH practically invites himself to be considered as a Banksy Inc insider solely by his Barnumesque antics, the foremost reason I slot him in as Banksy Inc.'s most plausible CEO/Managing Partner, the foremost reason I slot him thus is psychological in a monkey-see monkey-do kind’ve way that syncs with Harold Bloom’s “Anxiety of Influence” qua Oedipal model for artistic production with the twist being him styling himself as an underground Saatchi for a 00’s art movement

!(9muy3ogkxjeb1 "Banksy’s Simple Intelligence Testing by Jeremy Bethany")

By the mid-nineties, DH exploded on the art scene as both MC and lead stake-horse for Charles Saatchi’s Young British Artist’s slate. It made the already rich Saatchi even richer while making him the art force he is to this day ,while it only made DH a very wealthy man but certainly not a rich as he aspired to be in 1998 when Banksy launched. It only naturally follows that DH would try to replicate his mentor’s business model in some form to back a slate of artists with an MC & Stake-horse where he owned a meaningful part of stakehorse to maximise his profits as as Saatchi had done with him in the 90’s while likewise getting points on other artists in the broader slate like inader.

And though I’ve yet to cover the topic in full, the facts show that Banksy was initially as much a fiction intended to launch a 00’s rebranding of mural as street art with a stand-alone Anon artist at its lead, a brand rep like Hirst if you will, while a full slate of street artists were being stake-horsed on both sides of the pond with US Gallerist Jeffery Deitch shoulding the launch costs of his US-based (& global) slate (Fairey, Swoon, Os Geminos, Blu, Faile) while the UK slate (Banksy, Insect, Invader, JR, Mode 2, etc) had no manifest backer, with Lazarides the everyman acting as a MC proxy for DH in 90's with unseen money backing him and the broader venture so he could go from zero to major gallerist in a year with his "Outsiders Book, the compliment to Banksy's Wall & Pieces, establishing his legit art white castle cred.. It’s hard to think of who else in the UK could have been behind launching it UK with Laz MCing and dealing the slater other than DH.

On top his mugging for Banksy Inc and there being a classical psychological basis for him acting as financial ringleader, he also as Damien Hirst was modelling the belligerent (and drunk) artist during Banksy’s formative years until he got sober in 2007 like a drunken porto-type for the more straight-edge-ish working class Banksy Anon.” Additionally, DH concedes in a 2011 interviewer “After my dad left I got into quite a lot of trouble; burglaries, robbing, shoplifting. Crime is creative” filling out the trouble youth element of Banksy character. In total, there are more than enough similarities to see DH as the Banksy prototype though for my nickel I find the Banksy fiction far more interesting than DH as the real deal.

And when the Banksy artist withdrew their support from the larger venture — another coming attraction — DH saw himself as enough of draw to keep the Dismaland venture vital though the consensus is it didn’t make the grade of an “official” Banksy show and was largely panned by the art press.

From a means, motive and opportunity perspective, there is no better candidate for Banksy’s 1st money-in & production-support angel investor/incubator, which very well may be why the first item found in DH’s “Wreck of the Unbelievable” is a Golden Monkey in a wink-wink nod to the placarded apes that surely in some part helped fund DH’s branded effort at creating an art fiction.

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!(sqrc0o0uxjeb1 "Damien Hirst, the Golden Monkey,2011")

The pictures in Steve Lazarides Banksy Captured don’t match. supporting the notion of multiple Banksys, with this first one from Wall & pieces being slight of build, thin-bodied and thin-fingered w/ a distinct neck between the head and shoulders…

!(42abwy9rxjeb1 "Skinny Slight Banksy")

… as does this larger version of the 1st Banksy show, this time played by official Banksy wall-art fitter Rob Gunningham…

!(l4oh5dxbyjeb1 "Rob G as medium sized banksy w/ neck sans ham-paws")

… while this last one with the fat fingers and barely a hint of neck bears a solid resemblance to DH’s pudgy digits and less than pronounced neck.

!(8dsxn85jyjeb1 "Bloated ham-pawed Banksy 2001")

Though I do have and will present other likely Banksy backers down the road, DH is far and away the stake horse for Banksy CEO. look at the paws on that bloke. I also have a Hirst -Lucy McKenzie link which is a longer story for another day.

Thanks for reading

[Smokeidaeye]

The $10,000-20,000 estimate on this one cracks me up, though someone has already bid $2,500 for an unrecognizable portion of a Laugh Now print.

[Jeezuz Jones Snr]

Agree with Lroy that the notes and sketches are interesting and great history.

But it would be great if Laz gave a lot of the money to a British or Banksy charity and not all profiting. He would be seen as a better character in the whole story rather than an associate cashing in.

[Daniel Silk]

I think most of the valuations are way under! Especially the prints.

[Daniel Silk]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBGNocoSioZ

[Devizes /\_/\]

Oct 15, 2024 4:26:07 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I think most of the valuations are way under! Especially the prints.

🤣🤣🤣

[The Rat King]

Coa’s aside , there are some very cool unique pieces in there
Will test the importance of the coa I guess as they are undoubtedly by Banksy

[Daniel Silk]

I don't see COA as an issue, as each piece will obviously be recorded as being in this auction and from Steve Lazarides, so in some people's eyes that might be seen as a more reliable than the print records of Pest Control.

[Minecrafter]

Oct 15, 2024 6:56:16 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I don't see COA as an issue, as each piece will obviously be recorded as being in this auction and from Steve Lazarides, so in some people's eyes that might be seen as a more reliable than the print records of Pest Control.

Banksy has long being caught out of being a fraud and his little company pest control made falsely dated COAs. Is Lazarides trustlevel obtained from working with a known hack till 2008?

The whole lot of this could be fake and copies, it's not authenticated , plain and simple. 

[Daniel Silk]

Oct 15, 2024 7:59:30 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Oct 15, 2024 6:56:16 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I don't see COA as an issue, as each piece will obviously be recorded as being in this auction and from Steve Lazarides, so in some people's eyes that might be seen as a more reliable than the print records of Pest Control.

Banksy has long being caught out of being a fraud and his little company pest control made falsely dated COAs. Is Lazarides trustlevel obtained from working with a known hack till 2008?

The whole lot of this could be fake and copies, it's not authenticated , plain and simple. 

Who would you suggest could offer the strongest and most trusted COA?

[shoottheglass]

The very fact that Lazarides wears a Hublot says it all to me!

Also, is that Bulldog grimmace intentional/ironic? Makes him look like a Kojac Emin.

Key take away - he's still a massive Shit!

[Masong]

Oct 15, 2024 7:59:30 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Oct 15, 2024 6:56:16 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I don't see COA as an issue, as each piece will obviously be recorded as being in this auction and from Steve Lazarides, so in some people's eyes that might be seen as a more reliable than the print records of Pest Control.

Banksy has long being caught out of being a fraud and his little company pest control made falsely dated COAs. Is Lazarides trustlevel obtained from working with a known hack till 2008?

The whole lot of this could be fake and copies, it's not authenticated , plain and simple. 

Your obsession with Banksy is absolutely mental. Is your husband the same? If so your household must be a fun place. If not and it’s you that’s so obsessed I think if I were him I’d have to sit you down and check that everything’s ok. If I were Jps I would have wanted to move on by now and if my wife kept going on about it I’d think ffs just leave it..of course that’s just me and he might be quite happy to hold a grudge until the day he dies as well yourself.