[My Name is Frank]

The Hirst list take away for me was radar rat was listening rat

[Dice]

Oct 15, 2024 4:26:07 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I think most of the valuations are way under! Especially the prints.

Are you kidding? If you buy one of these and then try to sell it you will run into serious difficulties. No auction house except Tate/julians etc will take it and on the private market  no one in their right mind will buy a Banksy print without a pest control COA.

It’s different for ephemera. A laz certificate is quite welcome for tenners, flyers etc as these can’t get COA’s so it’s better than nothing.

I’m sure they will sell some to less knowledgable buyers, who will probably apply for a COA later only to be turned down.

[Minecrafter]

Oct 15, 2024 8:20:06 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Oct 15, 2024 7:59:30 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Banksy has long being caught out of being a fraud and his little company pest control made falsely dated COAs. Is Lazarides trustlevel obtained from working with a known hack till 2008?

The whole lot of this could be fake and copies, it's not authenticated , plain and simple. 

Who would you suggest could offer the strongest and most trusted COA?

How can you authenticate 20 years of false narratives and greed?
Pretty simple, you can't.
If the larger public knew the entire truth about the characters that formed this cash grab then it would all be in the bin. 

[Minecrafter]

Oct 15, 2024 8:31:20 GMT 1 Masong said:

Oct 15, 2024 7:59:30 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Banksy has long being caught out of being a fraud and his little company pest control made falsely dated COAs. Is Lazarides trustlevel obtained from working with a known hack till 2008?

The whole lot of this could be fake and copies, it's not authenticated , plain and simple. 

Your obsession with Banksy is absolutely mental. Is your husband the same? If so your household must be a fun place. If not and it’s you that’s so obsessed I think if I were him I’d have to sit you down and check that everything’s ok. If I were Jps I would have wanted to move on by now and if my wife kept going on about it I’d think ffs just leave it..of course that’s just me and he might be quite happy to hold a grudge until the day he dies as well yourself.

Occasionally pointing out facts on a forum is not obsession.
All types of charlatans get exposed on the forum and it's reminded whenever their names resurface.......why should your precious banksy be exempt?

[Masong]

Oct 15, 2024 8:43:56 GMT 1 Minecrafter said:

Oct 15, 2024 8:31:20 GMT 1 Masong said:

Your obsession with Banksy is absolutely mental. Is your husband the same? If so your household must be a fun place. If not and it’s you that’s so obsessed I think if I were him I’d have to sit you down and check that everything’s ok. If I were Jps I would have wanted to move on by now and if my wife kept going on about it I’d think ffs just leave it..of course that’s just me and he might be quite happy to hold a grudge until the day he dies as well yourself.

Occasionally pointing out facts on a forum is not obsession.
All types of charlatans get exposed on the forum and it's reminded whenever their names resurface.......why should your precious banksy be exempt?

Yeh it strange that banksy gets a few mentions on the banksy forum, strange that. You’re of course welcome to post whatever you like on an open forum, I am merely pointing out that you tend to repeat the same things over and over and over. This to me would be concerning in the same way if anyone I know became this obsessive about something or someone in such a negative way. In your own mind you probably feel that you are part of the downturn in his market when in reality you are likely to have had zero impact. The market in most things has turned including 95% of artists. I can assure you this has nothing to do with it being banksy that your issue is with I would find your behaviour strange if it was any other artist, it’s just eat, sleep, rave, repeat… Anyway for your sake and yourself & your husbands sanity I hope one day you manage to move on.. Peace..

[gvdfrance]

Buying & Selling, isn't that what a part of the art world is. Everyone in any show on tv for eg - antiques roadshow, is the hope that you have something that is worth a lot of cash. Whether one likes Steve's idea to sell, or not, what would you do if you were him? Never sell? Keep everything in your basement? I doubt it...

[Daniel Silk]

I think Steve Lazarides did an incredible job promoting Banksy during his time as Manager, ok he might not be everyone's cup of tea, but for the position, I think he's perfect.

[longshanks]

Oct 14, 2024 20:28:41 GMT 1 Acme Thunderer said:

I expect there will be a follow-up auction with a t-shirt that smells of Banksy’s aftershave, cigarette butts with his DNA and a napkin from their first date at a local Wimpy.

[compound]

Oct 15, 2024 9:33:18 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I think Steve Lazarides did an incredible job promoting Banksy during his time as Manager, ok he might not be everyone's cup of tea, but for the position, I think he's perfect.

Totally agree @danielsilk. People forget how good he was at promoting. The texts to go to random places for exhibitions (very early rave). He and is team changed the artworld forever. Art was mostly for the wealthy, that all changed. All the while struggling with his mind

[u%hdjfka c]

Did Lazirides already sell his best Banksy pieces? Original canvases? Presumably he had inscribed gift prints? etc etc

[Happy Shopper]

Oct 15, 2024 10:39:39 GMT 1 u%hdjfka c said:

Did Lazirides already sell his best Banksy pieces? Original canvases? Presumably he had inscribed gift prints? etc etc

I imagine those are all stored away, or on his walls.
In reality he's just selling some tat.

[Daniel Silk]

I wonder still what could have been.
Imagine Steve plus the original POW crew all still together, obviously managed and organized properly with a focused team of skilled staff and management.

Oct 15, 2024 10:35:12 GMT 1 compound said:

Oct 15, 2024 9:33:18 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I think Steve Lazarides did an incredible job promoting Banksy during his time as Manager, ok he might not be everyone's cup of tea, but for the position, I think he's perfect.

Totally agree @danielsilk. People forget how good he was at promoting. The texts to go to random places for exhibitions (very early rave). He and is team changed the artworld forever. Art was mostly for the wealthy, that all changed. All the while struggling with his mind

[compound]

Oct 15, 2024 10:56:16 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I wonder still what could have been.
Imagine Steve plus the original POW crew all still together, obviously managed and organized properly with a focused team of skilled staff and management.

Oct 15, 2024 10:35:12 GMT 1 compound said:

Totally agree @danielsilk. People forget how good he was at promoting. The texts to go to random places for exhibitions (very early rave). He and is team changed the artworld forever. Art was mostly for the wealthy, that all changed. All the while struggling with his mind

Well you never know;) They could do an Oasis and reform 😂

[u%hdjfka c]

Oct 15, 2024 10:44:37 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

Oct 15, 2024 10:39:39 GMT 1 u%hdjfka c said:

Did Lazirides already sell his best Banksy pieces? Original canvases? Presumably he had inscribed gift prints? etc etc

I imagine those are all stored away, or on his walls.
In reality he's just selling some tat.

Maybe he's still waiting for his PC COAs...

[goose]

Oct 15, 2024 10:44:37 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

Oct 15, 2024 10:39:39 GMT 1 u%hdjfka c said:

Did Lazirides already sell his best Banksy pieces? Original canvases? Presumably he had inscribed gift prints? etc etc

I imagine those are all stored away, or on his walls.
In reality he's just selling some tat.

Literally backdoor prints

[Tobi187]

Interesting choice of t-shirt by Steve in the video: 'hated but rated No. 1.'
I enjoyed watching it. Thanks for sharing, Love Is In The Air!

[hdduyddfj]

With the burner phones and domain registration it looks to be the end of the Banksy journey for Laz. Sad ending in a way,  an auction at Juliens, but if it does well I'm sure he'll get over it.  
Regardless of what people think of Laz he was side by side with the artist during what was arguably Banksys golden era. He's a significant part of the early Banksy story. Not many can say that.
 

[GuywBalloon]

I watched the 30 minute documentary about the auction and the stories behind some of the pieces, would recommend for a quick watch if you haven't done so. The part that jumped out that I don't believe to be brought up thus far is the "250 rolls of film/ 10,000 shots" that is being auctioned off. Steve states " some portraits, in focused shots and him working." I could be wrong, but it seems that he could potentially be auctioning off Banksy's identity. Starts at 26:45 of the video if you want to skip. Thoughts?

[bgt5002]

Oct 15, 2024 12:50:03 GMT 1 goose said:

Oct 15, 2024 10:44:37 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

I imagine those are all stored away, or on his walls.
In reality he's just selling some tat.

Literally backdoor prints

Seems most of these are part of the traveling exhibition he leases. 

[bgt5002]

A few gems, but most is a bit underwhelming. The market is down, so I hope he gets what he’s hoping for.

[hdduyddfj]

Oct 15, 2024 10:56:16 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

I wonder still what could have been.
Imagine Steve plus the original POW crew all still together, obviously managed and organized properly with a focused team of skilled staff and management.

Oct 15, 2024 10:35:12 GMT 1 compound said:

Totally agree @danielsilk. People forget how good he was at promoting. The texts to go to random places for exhibitions (very early rave). He and is team changed the artworld forever. Art was mostly for the wealthy, that all changed. All the while struggling with his mind

I wonder what could be if Pest Control were managed and organized properly with a focused team of skilled staff and management

[Happy Shopper]

Oct 15, 2024 15:14:58 GMT 1 GuywBalloon said:

"250 rolls of film/ 10,000 shots" that is being auctioned off. 

I noticed that in the video, but I don't see it listed for sale though.

I doubt any of the photos will show Banksy's face, and Steve would have digitised all the good shots anyway.
I imagine you could own the negatives but have no right to use them for anything.

[loui]

Oct 15, 2024 14:46:09 GMT 1 hdduyddfj said:

With the burner phones and domain registration it looks to be the end of the Banksy journey for Laz. Sad ending in a way,  an auction at Juliens, but if it does well I'm sure he'll get over it.  
Regardless of what people think of Laz he was side by side with the artist during what was arguably Banksys golden era. He's a significant part of the early Banksy story. Not many can say that.
 

It were the best years, lots of fun and funny too. 

[Matt]

A mix of stuff that can’t get COA and stuff that won’t

Add the fact that Laz can be very loose with “from my personal collection”, and the auction house is Julien’s

Still cool to see some of these though, especially drawings & notes,

[nikos76]

I think Steve says a lot in his little documentaries, you just have to know how to read between the lines.
He told us about bipolar and if Steve was Banksy?
I love the topic
I think he will fill his pockets, I hope he will do a very good deed.
In any case, he gave me his book at the time.
He sent me a DM message send me your address I never thought he was going to do it and he does it.
The problem is not COA the guy who stole the dish doesn't have COA and?
Good evening everyone
Good luck to those who can have a piece from Banksy's collection, I don't have the means to give the money time.

[LJCal]

The values are off for most of these but some things to consider:
- Pest control as an authentication body won't be around forever in fact as things stand I'd say their end could be sooner rather than later
- Some of these items are far rarer and special than a run of the mill unsigned print, they're generally one off in some cases
- Whatever people's feeling Laz was Bansky's dealer for most of his early career so his provenance is bullet proof.
- I've seen so many howlers from PCO recently I wouldn't always place 100% confidence in their records and authentication (DN3 anyone?), the market will very soon start to look for alternatives (nature hates a void) and I feel these type of items will start finding their way into mainstream sales sooner than some people think.
- PCO is almost unique in the control they exert over auction houses, but now works are selling for 1/4 of their value 3 years ago don't be surprised if that stranglehold weakens.

I've got no skin in the game, most of this I agree is too expensive to warrant waiting for the way Banksy works are sold to change. There are a handful of items that peak my interest but most sit at or below low estimate. Still estimates aside a very cool collection.

[zd2727]

All out of my price range, but cool to see! Good for Laz, hope he donates some of the proceeds.  

[Dice]

Oct 16, 2024 2:42:49 GMT 1 LJCal said:

The values are off for most of these but some things to consider:
- Pest control as an authentication body won't be around forever in fact as things stand I'd say their end could be sooner rather than later
- Some of these items are far rarer and special than a run of the mill unsigned print, they're generally one off in some cases
- Whatever people's feeling Laz was Bansky's dealer for most of his early career so his provenance is bullet proof.
- I've seen so many howlers from PCO recently I wouldn't always place 100% confidence in their records and authentication (DN3 anyone?), the market will very soon start to look for alternatives (nature hates a void) and I feel these type of items will start finding their way into mainstream sales sooner than some people think.
- PCO is almost unique in the control they exert over auction houses, but now works are selling for 1/4 of their value 3 years ago don't be surprised if that stranglehold weakens.

I've got no skin in the game, most of this I agree is too expensive to warrant waiting for the way Banksy works are sold to change. There are a handful of items that peak my interest but most sit at or below low estimate. Still estimates aside a very cool collection.

Agreed for the most part.

if you manage to get one of these prints into a major auction house without a COA that is a game changer. Suddenly it will have a further authentication of sorts.

However when is that going to happen? Will it ever happen? No one knows. The auction houses seem to have a relationship with pest control at the moment and they wouldn’t want to jeopardise that in any way. 

Its a punt isn’t it. The problem is at these estimate it’s a very expensive punt.

Personally I wouldn’t buy a 30k print without a COA, for me the Laz authentication is not bullet proof and represents a risk should you ever need to sell as a huge proportion of the buying market at least in the near future will be wanting pest control.

[LJCal]

Oct 16, 2024 8:53:03 GMT 1 Dice said:

Oct 16, 2024 2:42:49 GMT 1 LJCal said:

The values are off for most of these but some things to consider:
- Pest control as an authentication body won't be around forever in fact as things stand I'd say their end could be sooner rather than later
- Some of these items are far rarer and special than a run of the mill unsigned print, they're generally one off in some cases
- Whatever people's feeling Laz was Bansky's dealer for most of his early career so his provenance is bullet proof.
- I've seen so many howlers from PCO recently I wouldn't always place 100% confidence in their records and authentication (DN3 anyone?), the market will very soon start to look for alternatives (nature hates a void) and I feel these type of items will start finding their way into mainstream sales sooner than some people think.
- PCO is almost unique in the control they exert over auction houses, but now works are selling for 1/4 of their value 3 years ago don't be surprised if that stranglehold weakens.

I've got no skin in the game, most of this I agree is too expensive to warrant waiting for the way Banksy works are sold to change. There are a handful of items that peak my interest but most sit at or below low estimate. Still estimates aside a very cool collection.

Agreed for the most part.

if you manage to get one of these prints into a major auction house without a COA that is a game changer. Suddenly it will have a further authentication of sorts.

However when is that going to happen? Will it ever happen? No one knows. The auction houses seem to have a relationship with pest control at the moment and they wouldn’t want to jeopardise that in any way. 

Its a punt isn’t it. The problem is at these estimate it’s a very expensive punt.

Personally I wouldn’t buy a 30k print without a COA, for me the Laz authentication is not bullet proof and represents a risk should you ever need to sell as a huge proportion of the buying market at least in the near future will be wanting pest control.

Absolutely agree. I think the sweet spot for most of these prints is £5-20k for hardcore collectors with deep pockets. It’s absolutely a punt, it could be 2-20 years before PCO are disbanded (it’s when not if IMO) and by which time there’s a chance Banksy prints aren’t as collectible. The provenance is bullet proof in the sense your buying what is described but yes that doesn’t mean it will allow you to sell at a major auction house until things change.

[Shoot Again]

One point that hasn't been mentioned so far (which puzzled me, to say the least, when watching the promotional video) is the condition of some of those collectibles ;-) I mean the way SL manipulates them (not to speak about how / where they were kept in storage for so long) : scary ! I agree we're not talking of Picasso and gloves should be required but still, not sure I could (pretend to) ignore the condition of some of those ... especially at those chunky prices ;-)