[lee3]

>>>Did you commission that watercolour? <<

Yes on both counts. FWIW, I did see the New Castle site listed within the past week that they are going to sell the huge white canvases that he painted in black spray paint downstairs. The info is on the website.

[Harveyn]

Quality work and I know where you can pick up an original oil thats going for cheap.....

cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170210653587&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=007

[kahuna]

Choe is an exceptional talent. He continues to produce outstanding, detailed work on a grand scale.

City Girl 150 is stunning and the Jane watercolor shown in Lee's portfolio is beautiful.

Ebay reflects flavour of the month rather than the true value of an artist.

[robotoil]

The only thing missing in Choe's recent work is the flippers. Choe is one of the most original artists with anything going on right now.

[jonesing]

I like that watercolors better than his paintings . I also think that it not so much the prints but the image selection. I always see pieces by choe I haven't seen before and wonder why those aren't in print form. I'd buy those 2 watercolors above.

[Jeff Soto]

What happened to David Choe?

Nothing, he’s dope as ever. I want to know what happened that has tied an artists’ career to something as trivial as eBay.

I found this forum pretty recently and there’s some good info in here, but sometimes it seems that only half of the community loves and cares about ART, while the other half could give a shit and is all about the values and the hype. Art investors rather than art lovers. Maybe nothing’s wrong with that, maybe I have an idealistic view of art making and art buying, but sometimes it sickens me to read these posts- “what happened to so and so” and “so and so’s prices dropping on eBay”. Who gives a shit, but what you like.

You cannot discredit an artist like Choe and you can’t dismiss him so easily. I’ve had the opportunity to know hundreds of artists over the years and trust me, Choe will be around creating quality work over his entire career. Some eBay sales do not even figure into it.

Sorry, just an opinion from a fellow artist who has shit eBay sales haha.

[gozgoz]

CRAZY! ITS JEFF SOTO!

[robotoil]

I popped my cherry with Jeff Soto! :-)

[Jeff Soto]

Apr 24, 2008 20:01:11 GMT 1 robotoil said:

I popped my cherry with Jeff Soto! :-)

Was I gentle?

[robotoil]

Apr 24, 2008 20:02:36 GMT 1 Jeff Soto said:

Apr 24, 2008 20:01:11 GMT 1 robotoil said:

I popped my cherry with Jeff Soto! :-)

Was I gentle?

Incredibly so.

[skanky]

Welcome to the forum Jeff, you seem to have sussed out this place pretty quickly! Its a good place though with plenty of good people and great art.

[ABC]

Welcome Jeff, loving your work.

Hopefully you will inject a little life into the much needed area of ..........."art appreciation." Seems this place has lost its way over the last few months.

Oh well said it now.

[artyfarty]

Hello Jeff. I really like your work that I've seen and I agree about David Choe. An artist's work is not to be measured in how high the ebay prices are. My house is covered wwith Mackenzie Thorpe prints. Hmmmm.

[top]

Choe likes money too..

[guest2]

Apr 24, 2008 19:46:44 GMT 1 biggie said:

Apr 24, 2008 19:43:08 GMT 1 Jeff Soto said:

What happened to David Choe?

Nothing, he’s dope as ever. I want to know what happened that has tied an artists’ career to something as trivial as eBay.

I found this forum pretty recently and there’s some good info in here, but sometimes it seems that only half of the community loves and cares about ART, while the other half could give a s**t and is all about the values and the hype. Art investors rather than art lovers. Maybe nothing’s wrong with that, maybe I have an idealistic view of art making and art buying, but sometimes it sickens me to read these posts- “what happened to so and so” and “so and so’s prices dropping on eBay”. Who gives a s**t, but what you like.

You cannot discredit an artist like Choe and you can’t dismiss him so easily. I’ve had the opportunity to know hundreds of artists over the years and trust me, Choe will be around creating quality work over his entire career. Some eBay sales do not even figure into it.

Sorry, just an opinion from a fellow artist who has s**t eBay sales haha.

big round of applause ;D
it used to be alot more info a lot less bulls**t!!
alot of the good ones have jumped ship
and beleive it or not but alot of people judge the art scene by ebay prices

You can't get these on ebay mate

[Va Va Voom]

I would advise most people(not all..) to read a little on art history,careers are formed over decades not months ...this is a marathon not a sprint and unfortunately as exciting as this movement has become,people have to understand that careers are not evaluated every month following a print release.

[darjeeling]

Apr 24, 2008 11:04:17 GMT 1 thesewalls said:

he didn't keep his flame burning strong, the limelight shifted as it always does, and there he sits, content, as a legend in the back seat.

Might be that, or it might be that the majority of his prints have been mediocre at best. So it might be that you can't flip his prints, which is what really hypes people up here and starts the talking.

...or it might also be that Laz inflated his prices by roughly four fold. (What you don't have $80,000 PLUS VAT to drop on an original by a "hot up and coming street artist? - What's wrong with you skint t**ts?) Come on, line laz's pockets and shell out...
newcastle.lazinc.com/artists/other-artists/original-art/ - And yet even more work here: www.lazinc.com/artists/other-artists/original-art/ - Looks like quite a bit of work from his show went unsold. Ashame, because if they didn't inflate his prices work might have sold. But then again despite his skills his folow through is often weak.

Laz and choe's heads got too big too fast imo. And yet again Laz drives prices out of the hands of his core group of collectors to the detriment of everyone. Unfortunately that means this art will go unsold and sitting in closets for a long time probably.

[darjeeling]

Apr 25, 2008 0:54:27 GMT 1 Va Va Voom said:

I would advise most people(not all..) to read a little on art history,careers are formed over decades not months ...this is a marathon not a sprint and unfortunately as exciting as this movement has become,people have to understand that careers are not evaluated every month following a print release.

Right on, now tell that to Steve Lazarides who likes to price artists with a couple years history as if they have decades worth of credit.

[Filipino Box Spring Hog]

Frankie...Please Stop showing that Soto print off!!!!!!! You're making me jealous!

My two cents about Choe is I love some of his work and am repelled by some of his work - either way it makes me stop and think - I have CG 150 and framed it right after I purchased it - it's not going anywhere, so long as I can help it - I do believe we'll see tremendous work from him to come over the years -

and Jeff - nice to hear your input! Love your work too - I've yet to find a single piece that I'm repelled by...(insert smiley face here)!

[arcam]

David Choe is a phenomenally talented painter, you just have to look at the pictures Lee purchased to see the talent the guy has. He's only just getting started.

[Va Va Voom]

Apr 25, 2008 1:18:43 GMT 1 @darjeeling said:

Apr 25, 2008 0:54:27 GMT 1 Va Va Voom said:

I would advise most people(not all..) to read a little on art history,careers are formed over decades not months ...this is a marathon not a sprint and unfortunately as exciting as this movement has become,people have to understand that careers are not evaluated every month following a print release.

Right on, now tell that to Steve Lazarides who likes to price artists with a couple years history as if they have decades worth of credit.

I hear ya D...but according to Little Bird (The Oracle?) Laz is not to be blamed it was Choe that set the prices.

[darjeeling]

Apr 25, 2008 1:40:52 GMT 1 Va Va Voom said:

Apr 25, 2008 1:18:43 GMT 1 @darjeeling said:

Right on, now tell that to Steve Lazarides who likes to price artists with a couple years history as if they have decades worth of credit.

I hear ya D...but according to Little Bird (The Oracle?) Laz is not to be blamed it was Choe that set the prices.

Wow, not surprising I guess, guy has a big head from what I see.
He has some skills but prices are out of whack and I'm just not always impressed, sometimes I am but some of the work at Laz is just ok.

[solar77]

Apr 25, 2008 1:14:29 GMT 1 @darjeeling said:

Apr 24, 2008 11:04:17 GMT 1 thesewalls said:

he didn't keep his flame burning strong, the limelight shifted as it always does, and there he sits, content, as a legend in the back seat.

Might be that, or it might be that the majority of his prints have been mediocre at best. So it might be that you can't flip his prints, which is what really hypes people up here and starts the talking.

...or it might also be that Laz inflated his prices by roughly four fold. (What you don't have $80,000 PLUS VAT to drop on an original by a "hot up and coming street artist? - What's wrong with you skint t**ts?) Come on, line laz's pockets and shell out...
newcastle.lazinc.com/artists/other-artists/original-art/ - And yet even more work here: www.lazinc.com/artists/other-artists/original-art/ - Looks like quite a bit of work from his show went unsold. Ashame, because if they didn't inflate his prices work might have sold. But then again despite his skills his folow through is often weak.

Laz and choe's heads got too big too fast imo. And yet again Laz drives prices out of the hands of his core group of collectors to the detriment of everyone. Unfortunately that means this art will go unsold and sitting in closets for a long time probably.

I think you missed Lee's post earlier in the thread - there's only one large painting left. The site hasn't been updated since the day after the show.

Choe's paintings sold in the $50,000 range multiple times before this show, which is why the prices were in that range.

[thesewalls]

Soto in the house! Thanks for all your comments people...i love the different directions the thread went. I personally can't afford those extremely beautiful watercolors, originals, even City Girls. Was pleased to pick up a Sound Eyes for $320 on ebay, which of course influenced my post in part...maybe there are 2 sides of every artist (or hundreds of course)...the originals and shows they do, and the images they choose to make available to the general public. I guess I'm just frustrated with his latest print releases, as they do not reflect the Choe I know and love, and want hanging on my wall. Therefor, something did 'happen' in my world. I always thought it was funny that people felt the need to include 'IMO' in posts, because if it's coming out of your mouth it's obviously your opinion. I now understand the placement a bit more.

JEFF - thanks again for signing the show poster for me at your most recent J.Levine show (seriously beautiful stuff)...man it was hot temperature wise too...haha, you didn't move from that ceiling fan all show!

[robotoil]

Apr 25, 2008 2:05:33 GMT 1 solar77 said:

Apr 25, 2008 1:14:29 GMT 1 @darjeeling said:

Choe's paintings sold in the $50,000 range multiple times before this show, which is why the prices were in that range.

Do you know if those were gallery or private sales? Thanks.

[lee3]

Apr 25, 2008 1:14:29 GMT 1 @darjeeling said:

Apr 24, 2008 11:04:17 GMT 1 thesewalls said:

he didn't keep his flame burning strong, the limelight shifted as it always does, and there he sits, content, as a legend in the back seat.

Might be that, or it might be that the majority of his prints have been mediocre at best. So it might be that you can't flip his prints, which is what really hypes people up here and starts the talking.

...or it might also be that Laz inflated his prices by roughly four fold. (What you don't have $80,000 PLUS VAT to drop on an original by a "hot up and coming street artist? - What's wrong with you skint t**ts?) Come on, line laz's pockets and shell out...
newcastle.lazinc.com/artists/other-artists/original-art/ - And yet even more work here: www.lazinc.com/artists/other-artists/original-art/ - Looks like quite a bit of work from his show went unsold. Ashame, because if they didn't inflate his prices work might have sold. But then again despite his skills his folow through is often weak.

Laz and choe's heads got too big too fast imo. And yet again Laz drives prices out of the hands of his core group of collectors to the detriment of everyone. Unfortunately that means this art will go unsold and sitting in closets for a long time probably.

My goodness my guinness! People jump to all kinds of (incorrect) conclusions just because a website hasn't been updated. The work was priced fairly because, as of 3 weeks ago, all of the work available (save for one painting) had sold. There were 25 or 30 paintings and 15 to 20 watercolors. Selling all but 1 with 3 weeks to go, 'nuff said. He's not alienating anyone with the possible exception of some print buyers looking to flip on ebay. I'd harbor a guess that he would be delighted to alienate those buyers anyway.

[darjeeling]

Perhaps, but I know for a fact that there was still lots of paintings available at the end of the show. God help anyone who bought them.

[lee3]

Apr 25, 2008 3:10:03 GMT 1 @darjeeling said:

Perhaps, but I know for a fact that there was still lots of paintings available at the end of the show. God help anyone who bought them.

Fair enough and I don't want to get in a pissing match. All I can offer is the truth about what I am told. I bought 2 paintings and was interested in buying a 3rd and asked 4 or 5 weeks ago what else was left and at that time there were 3 paintings left and one or two watercolors. A couple weeks later I was told only the painting "Phillip" remained. I don't see why anyone at Laz would want to lie to me or lead me astray since they know that I am willing buyer. What would they have to gain by not showing me what was truly available? Regardless, I'm delighted with my collection, think the world of this particular artist, and hope to have the ability to buy more of his work in the future. It gives me immense pleasure.

[Heavyconsumer]

Right on Lee, that's what it's all about! I'm limited to the prints because that's what my pocket dictates, but if I could buy paintings like those you've shown off, I'd do so gladly for the pleasure they'd bring. Enjoy!

I must add that I'm not sure there's any direct correlation at all between quality of image and ebay prices in most cases. Demand at source seems to be determined by flippability alone, regardless of image and this is determined in turn by herd mentality far more than peoples' tastes imo. You just need to take a look at recent activity and interest levels in Nick Walker to confirm that. I was disappointed with FFG and the Lazinc print releases, but with any artist, we can't all love every image it's always a bit hit and miss and depends on taste. I think Choe's latest print is gorgeous!

[darjeeling]

To each his own lee but I was basing my info off of the fact I saw the show at the end and there were a lot of paintings still available, all of those I saw availabe are still isted on Laz's site, which granted may not be updated. But if money is no object congrats, seriously buy whatever you like. I can understand someone's appreciation of David Choe ...but I stand by my coment that, prices are out of whack plain and simple. If I'm not mistaken City Girl was 15k in 07. And now works not as good are 80k. All I can say is 'bubble' (And I'm not talking specifically about Choe but everyone) No need to labor over it, for it's quite obvious, just like the tech bubble and just like the housing bubble before it. The housing implosion was plain to see about 3/4 years ago but nobody would or could change it, looking back it's difficult to understand how anyone couldn't have known what the result would be, but everyone was caught up in the moment and everyone was happy at the time...