[Acme Thunderer]

Can’t believe there is a still conversation about the bloody time - this is primary school stuff. 🤦‍♂️

May I suggest that you set your alarm for 12am with Siri / Alexa and see if it wakes you up at night. 😉

[eyectopus]

Dec 16, 2022 20:35:04 GMT 1 Acme Thunderer said:

Can’t believe there is a still conversation about the bloody time - this is primary school stuff. 🤦‍♂️

May I suggest that you set your alarm for 12am with Siri / Alexa and see if it wakes you up at night. 😉

Speaking of primary school, to remember it we were thought AM - After Midnight, PM - Pre Midnight.

24hr clock more useful these days. I have seen systems administrators get the AM/PM scheduling wrong, not pretty when systems go down in the afternoon when it should have been during the night 😀 24hr clock avoids this confusion.

[met]

Dec 16, 2022 13:45:13 GMT 1 its all about me said:

Dec 16, 2022 13:36:05 GMT 1 Balboa said:

Dec 16, 2022 13:20:35 GMT 1 its all about me said:

Dec 16, 2022 12:27:12 GMT 1 Fuzzyduck121 said:

its a bit strange as it says

Registration ends on Friday 16th December @ 12pm GMT which is in 35 mins

also its a very long shot but I would add

[e-mail] as an email to my safe senders

in the Ts and Cs this is the email mentioned so it may well come from there

12pm is midnight not noon. 

pm stands for 'post meridiem' meaning 12 hours 'after noon'.

Technically that’s incorrect.

At 12 noon the sun is directly over the meridian and is therefore neither ante nor post meridian. Same at midnight.

It’s therefore 12 noon or 12 midnight.

12.01am is early morning and 12.01pm is early afternoon.

When people say 12pm what they are really saying is 12 hours after the meridiem. The meridiem is when the sun is directly overhead, i.e. at noon.  So 12pm is midnight.  However, this does cause huge confusion so websites should never use 12am and 12pm but stick to saying 'noon' or 'midnight'.  Or another way round it is to make the cut-off time 11:59 am or pm to avoid any confusion.  
 

Dec 16, 2022 20:16:00 GMT 1 its all about me said:

Dec 16, 2022 19:50:39 GMT 1 u%hdjfka c said:

Dec 16, 2022 18:13:31 GMT 1 its all about me said:

Dec 16, 2022 15:32:23 GMT 1 Dice said:

Hmm 12pm is midday to all intents and purposes

It isn't.

I don't know why people are liking your post.  If people think 12pm is midday then they are wrong.  Check what pm means.  Don't take my word for it; look it up yourself.

They're liking it because you're in the minority. 12pm is midday. Deal with it.

I may be in the minority...but I'm still right.  

As I said before; look up what am and pm means.  It's not rocket science.
  

Good exchange.

Despite the relative triviality of the subject, this is the kind of debate I do find engaging. Hair-splitting and pedantry on non‑commercial matters is far less tedious to me than reading a stream of self-interested posts about the latest auction results for Thierry Noir.



Leaving aside one moment what is technically accurate, convention must also be considered — i.e. what most people actually mean when they use certain words and expressions.

There are clearly different usages between various groups of individuals, which can sometimes be explained by generational, geographical, cultural or social differences. But at least among my own peers, if somebody suggests, "Let's meet at 12 pm", they usually mean, "Let's meet at 12 noon."

Dec 16, 2022 18:45:51 GMT 1 Peter Bengtsen said:

www.rmg.co.uk/stories/topics/noon-12-am-or-12-pm

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Cheers for the helpful link.

This was also the first website I found when Googling "12 pm noon or midnight", to make sure I really did know what I was talking about before posting.

Excerpt:


What does am and pm mean?

The 12-hour clock divides the 24-hour day into two periods.

-  am stands for the Latin ante meridiem, translating to "before midday". This is the time before the sun has crossed the meridian.

-  pm stands for post meridiem or "after midday" – after the sun has crossed the meridian.

At exactly 12 noon, the Sun is at its highest point in the sky and directly over the meridian. It is therefore neither 'ante' (am) nor 'post' (pm) meridiem. At 12 midnight it also neither am nor pm.



CONCLUSION:

Since noon is midday, then by very definition it can be neither am (before midday) nor pm (after midday).

It is therefore technically nonsensical to refer to "12 am" and "12 pm" — as opposed to, say, "11:59:59 am" (before midday) or "12:00:01 pm" (after midday).

Hence the desirability, both for accuracy and to avoid unnecessary confusion, to refer instead to "12 noon" and "12 midnight". Or, as other members have already emphasised, to use the 24‑hour clock for timekeeping.

[misca]

Why is so much discussion about whats 12pm when the terms&conditions clearly state “11:59pm (UK time)”…..? probably to avoid this kind of discussions

[kjg]

Dec 16, 2022 23:35:57 GMT 1 misca said:

Why is so much discussion about whats 12pm when the terms&conditions clearly state “11:59pm (UK time)”…..? probably to avoid this kind of discussions

First reason: this morning the info on the website looked to be different from the info stated in the t&c. Second reason: this is the UAA forum. We just love to have discussions :-)

[kjg]

Just a few more minutes to go. Good luck everybody!!

[7star]

Good luck everyone hopefully at least one forum member gets ridiculously lucky

[stuckeyc]

Where the flat earthers at?

[met]

Dec 16, 2022 13:20:35 GMT 1 its all about me said:

Dec 16, 2022 12:27:12 GMT 1 Fuzzyduck121 said:

its a bit strange as it says

Registration ends on Friday 16th December @ 12pm GMT which is in 35 mins

also its a very long shot but I would add

[e-mail] as an email to my safe senders

in the Ts and Cs this is the email mentioned so it may well come from there

12pm is midnight not noon.

pm stands for 'post meridiem' meaning 12 hours 'after noon'.

Apologies in advance for labouring the point.

Since I take a keen interest in reasoning, it is difficult for me to resist offering some additional input.



Your argument is fair. But of course it also applies both ways.


1.  We could indeed say that, because pm stands for post meridiem, then 12 pm means 12 hours after noon:

12 pm = midnight


2.  However, we could just as equally say that, because am stands for ante meridiem, then 12 am means 12 hours before noon:

12 am = midnight


The above logic then leaves us with both 12 pm and 12 am having the same meaning — midnight.



One thing I suspect all of us can agree on is that it's preferable to avoid using "pm" and "am" when referring to noon or midnight.

[donnerz]

Odds of 50 in a million+, which works out as 1 in 20,000 in the best case scenario and realistically much lower. Never going to happen is it 😢

[Bib Fortuna]

Dec 17, 2022 1:18:17 GMT 1 donnerz said:

Odds of 50 in a million+, which works out as 1 in 20,000 in the best case scenario and realistically much lower. Never going to happen is it 😢

It happened for Charlie Bucket. Don't lose hope.

[vamoose138]

hmm, its still live ?

[bba]

Dec 17, 2022 3:20:19 GMT 1 Bib Fortuna said:

Dec 17, 2022 1:18:17 GMT 1 donnerz said:

Odds of 50 in a million+, which works out as 1 in 20,000 in the best case scenario and realistically much lower. Never going to happen is it 😢

It happened for Charlie Bucket. Don't lose hope.

De wanna wanga! 😉

[vamoose138]

Dec 17, 2022 5:35:54 GMT 1 vamoose138 said:

hmm, its still live ?

Good Luck EVERYONE!!!

[Charlie Bronson]

[Londown 01]

So, are they informing the winners within 7 days or from the 22th?

[vic]

I'd also love to be gifted a £100k print but I'm pretty realistic and know for certain that it won't be me and it also won't be you.

Good luck though

[orchid]

Emails trickling in for VIPs I heard

[Londown 01]

Dec 17, 2022 9:29:33 GMT 1 orchid said:

Emails trickling in for VIPs I heard

Are you saying/ suggesting that for the 50 prints that are supposed to be randomly allocated, a number are going to VIPs by bypassing the lottery? 

[I'm just naive and don't want to believe it   ]

[Deleted]

All 50 were allocated to vips 8 months ago.

The dance is kinda cute though 😂

[Acme Thunderer]

Dec 17, 2022 10:21:14 GMT 1 Londown 01 said:

Dec 17, 2022 9:29:33 GMT 1 orchid said:

Emails trickling in for VIPs I heard

Are you saying/ suggesting that for the 50 prints that are supposed to be randomly allocated, a number are going to VIPs by bypassing the lottery? 

[I'm just naive and don't want to believe it   ]

These 50 will be allocated properly and fairly (but we still have 0.001% chance - but still a chance 😉).

If there are any VIP editions, they will be different to the run of 50.

[Sebastian Dusseldorf]

Some really sad comments here.
The most iconic urban artist is releasing a print after quite a while and you are all obsessed with who he might gift a print to? You think that's really what he cares for as he doesn't have enough creativity left, to paint an original on the napkins of his pals, if he wanted to?
Maybe you ain't as naive as me. But maybe then you should also look for another hobby?
Cause what are hobbies all about? Being naive, passionate and joyful about topics that really don't matter that much in the bigger picture, right?
Merry Christmas.

[robo]

I applied but the image is pretty poor to me.

A mouse scratching at “fragile” to make “agile” seems to have little meaning beyond a simple wordplay. To me the design process was too strongly guided by “let’s use a cardboard box” and “let’s scratch it cos we can do that 50 times” than by any deeper artistic thinking. Maybe it was a rush job.

[robo]

I wrote that and then I looked at the image again and I like it nonetheless 😂

I think the framing, with the taped edges, and the design is really good. The realistic mouse is well painted, and it really pops out in contrast to the flat box surface.

[robo]

Almost wish he’d found a way to execute it without the wordplay…

[Minecrafter]

Dec 17, 2022 10:30:25 GMT 1 Acme Thunderer said:

Dec 17, 2022 10:21:14 GMT 1 Londown 01 said:

Are you saying/ suggesting that for the 50 prints that are supposed to be randomly allocated, a number are going to VIPs by bypassing the lottery? 

[I'm just naive and don't want to believe it   ]

These 50 will be allocated properly and fairly (but we still have 0.001% chance - but still a chance 😉).

If there are any VIP editions, they will be different to the run of 50.

Wonder if the money of this "VIP" editions will go to charity too. 

[robo]

Sorry, I talked about art.

As you were - go back to talking about made up VIPs and how clocks work. 😂

[The Italian One]

there is NO VIP list..

all 50 will be only available at the lottery. (pest control )



if anyone has a different information please post it (source of information appreciate)

[cnrdvln]

any update on the welcome mat COAs for the first batch of 400?

did we nearly go 12 months without this gem?

[mojo]

I'm pretty sure that isn't a mouse, Banksy paints rats plus without wanting to go all David Attenborough on ya'll mice are tiny and have different ears and tails to rats.
(I know this as I've inadvertently shared houses with both over the years).  Also a mouse wouldn't be able to scratch through a box like that.  Anyway, hope I get one.