Reader
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Labour V Conservative , by Reader on Jul 5, 2024 14:52:15 GMT 1, How are the wealthiest families draining the wealth? They don't use the NHS, the certainly don't live in "affordable housing". They often run small businesses which give employment to many other people; who in turn pay their own income tax, and help to keep the unemployment figures down. It's a win, win situation. Everyone benefits, including the government. Because theyโre not paying their share of tax and not paying workers enough either. Plus they over charge for the service or product they create. Itโs as easy to understand as that. Exactly, British residents hold some ยฃ570bn in offshore tax havens. In total, the combined tax lost to offshore wealth across the UK and three British overseas territories sits at a huge ยฃ64.5bn per year. But yeah, immigrants...
How are the wealthiest families draining the wealth? They don't use the NHS, the certainly don't live in "affordable housing". They often run small businesses which give employment to many other people; who in turn pay their own income tax, and help to keep the unemployment figures down. It's a win, win situation. Everyone benefits, including the government. Because theyโre not paying their share of tax and not paying workers enough either. Plus they over charge for the service or product they create. Itโs as easy to understand as that. Exactly, British residents hold some ยฃ570bn in offshore tax havens. In total, the combined tax lost to offshore wealth across the UK and three British overseas territories sits at a huge ยฃ64.5bn per year. But yeah, immigrants...
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George Poppit
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Labour V Conservative , by George Poppit on Jul 5, 2024 15:10:07 GMT 1, How are the wealthiest families draining the wealth? They don't use the NHS, the certainly don't live in "affordable housing". They often run small businesses which give employment to many other people; who in turn pay their own income tax, and help to keep the unemployment figures down. It's a win, win situation. Everyone benefits, including the government. Because theyโre not paying their share of tax and not paying workers enough either. Plus they over charge for the service or product they create. Itโs as easy to understand as that. Slight generalisation!
How are the wealthiest families draining the wealth? They don't use the NHS, the certainly don't live in "affordable housing". They often run small businesses which give employment to many other people; who in turn pay their own income tax, and help to keep the unemployment figures down. It's a win, win situation. Everyone benefits, including the government. Because theyโre not paying their share of tax and not paying workers enough either. Plus they over charge for the service or product they create. Itโs as easy to understand as that. Slight generalisation!
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Labour V Conservative , by its all about me on Jul 5, 2024 15:27:52 GMT 1, How are the wealthiest families draining the wealth? They don't use the NHS, the certainly don't live in "affordable housing". They often run small businesses which give employment to many other people; who in turn pay their own income tax, and help to keep the unemployment figures down. It's a win, win situation. Everyone benefits, including the government. Because theyโre not paying their share of tax and not paying workers enough either. Plus they over charge for the service or product they create. Itโs as easy to understand as that. Except, of course, none of that is true.
How are the wealthiest families draining the wealth? They don't use the NHS, the certainly don't live in "affordable housing". They often run small businesses which give employment to many other people; who in turn pay their own income tax, and help to keep the unemployment figures down. It's a win, win situation. Everyone benefits, including the government. Because theyโre not paying their share of tax and not paying workers enough either. Plus they over charge for the service or product they create. Itโs as easy to understand as that. Except, of course, none of that is true.
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Labour V Conservative , by its all about me on Jul 5, 2024 15:32:53 GMT 1, There's some interesting graphs here. Only 34% of voters voted for Labour and yet they won a landslide victory. Bizarre. Also, more people voted Reform than libDem but Reform got 4 seats whilst LibDems got 71.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4nglegege1o
There's some interesting graphs here. Only 34% of voters voted for Labour and yet they won a landslide victory. Bizarre. Also, more people voted Reform than libDem but Reform got 4 seats whilst LibDems got 71. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4nglegege1o
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Labour V Conservative , by Pete the Post on Jul 5, 2024 15:44:14 GMT 1, There's some interesting graphs here. Only 34% of voters voted for Labour and yet they won a landslide victory. Bizarre. Also, more people voted Reform than libDem but Reform got 4 seats whilst LibDems got 71. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4nglegege1o Corbyn Got more votes last time than than starmer did this time.
First past the post (a system the tories have fought to keep for YEARS, but would have left them in power with reform) just saved us from the most right wing government we ever had.
Allowing the right to kick the crap out of each other, while the left watched on laughing.
Tory voters binned them off big time, Labour voters may well have done the same. This was a washing machine election, voters ended up coming out in all sorts of random colours.
The turnout was 60% suggesting once again, that voters are giving up as they were all a bit crap.
There's some interesting graphs here. Only 34% of voters voted for Labour and yet they won a landslide victory. Bizarre. Also, more people voted Reform than libDem but Reform got 4 seats whilst LibDems got 71. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4nglegege1oCorbyn Got more votes last time than than starmer did this time. First past the post (a system the tories have fought to keep for YEARS, but would have left them in power with reform) just saved us from the most right wing government we ever had. Allowing the right to kick the crap out of each other, while the left watched on laughing. Tory voters binned them off big time, Labour voters may well have done the same. This was a washing machine election, voters ended up coming out in all sorts of random colours. The turnout was 60% suggesting once again, that voters are giving up as they were all a bit crap.
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Labour V Conservative , by Happy Shopper on Jul 5, 2024 16:42:31 GMT 1, Because theyโre not paying their share of tax and not paying workers enough either. Plus they over charge for the service or product they create. Itโs as easy to understand as that. Except, of course, none of that is true. The rich worldwide getting richer, the majority getting poorer. Gulf between the 2 getting wider. Inflation pretty rampant in most parts of the world. Whatโs your explanation? ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
Because theyโre not paying their share of tax and not paying workers enough either. Plus they over charge for the service or product they create. Itโs as easy to understand as that. Except, of course, none of that is true. The rich worldwide getting richer, the majority getting poorer. Gulf between the 2 getting wider. Inflation pretty rampant in most parts of the world. Whatโs your explanation? ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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mojo
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Labour V Conservative , by mojo on Jul 5, 2024 18:11:22 GMT 1,
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loui
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Labour V Conservative , by loui on Jul 5, 2024 23:15:00 GMT 1, ๐คhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/05/starmer-kills-off-rwanda-plan-on-first-day-as-pm/
๐คhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/05/starmer-kills-off-rwanda-plan-on-first-day-as-pm/
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PC Baby
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Labour V Conservative , by PC Baby on Jul 6, 2024 0:32:16 GMT 1, link
"Starmer kills off Rwanda plan on first day as PM"
Link again loui ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
link"Starmer kills off Rwanda plan on first day as PM" Link again loui ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Acme Thunderer
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Labour V Conservative , by Acme Thunderer on Jul 6, 2024 0:46:38 GMT 1, link"Starmer kills off Rwanda plan on first day as PM" Link again loui ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) Itโs ok, I heard that Starmer has placed a large order of these as a deterrentโฆ
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link"Starmer kills off Rwanda plan on first day as PM" Link again loui ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) Itโs ok, I heard that Starmer has placed a large order of these as a deterrentโฆ ![](https://i.ibb.co/SXJmL3Z/IMG-7928.jpg)
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Labour V Conservative , by Pete the Post on Jul 6, 2024 6:43:55 GMT 1, link"Starmer kills off Rwanda plan on first day as PM" Link again loui ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) Itโs ok, I heard that Starmer has placed a large order of these as a deterrentโฆ ![](https://i.ibb.co/SXJmL3Z/IMG-7928.jpg) That or hes actually going to process refugees properly, rather than use them to fool fools.
link"Starmer kills off Rwanda plan on first day as PM" Link again loui ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) Itโs ok, I heard that Starmer has placed a large order of these as a deterrentโฆ ![](https://i.ibb.co/SXJmL3Z/IMG-7928.jpg) That or hes actually going to process refugees properly, rather than use them to fool fools.
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Labour V Conservative , by its all about me on Jul 6, 2024 9:41:22 GMT 1, link"Starmer kills off Rwanda plan on first day as PM" Link again loui ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) I bet the people that run the illegal migrant business are thrilled.
link"Starmer kills off Rwanda plan on first day as PM" Link again loui ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) I bet the people that run the illegal migrant business are thrilled.
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Labour V Conservative , by its all about me on Jul 8, 2024 13:06:07 GMT 1, I'm really pleased but then again, I'm not sure it's a great example of democracy in action. It was deliberately engineered to make sure Marine Le Pen failed.
I'm really pleased but then again, I'm not sure it's a great example of democracy in action. It was deliberately engineered to make sure Marine Le Pen failed.
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loui
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Labour V Conservative , by loui on Jul 8, 2024 13:55:24 GMT 1, I'm really pleased but then again, I'm not sure it's a great example of democracy in action. It was deliberately engineered to make sure Marine Le Pen failed. I see what youโre saying. Maybe it is an interesting thought that this might also be democracy?
I'm really pleased but then again, I'm not sure it's a great example of democracy in action. It was deliberately engineered to make sure Marine Le Pen failed. I see what youโre saying. Maybe it is an interesting thought that this might also be democracy?
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drip
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Labour V Conservative , by drip on Jul 8, 2024 14:26:03 GMT 1, I'm really pleased but then again, I'm not sure it's a great example of democracy in action. It was deliberately engineered to make sure Marine Le Pen failed. I see what youโre saying. Maybe it is an interesting thought that this might also be democracy? I understand what you're saying, and I agree. But also, if large numbers of the population feel unrepresented, that can only lead to them increasingly embracing the nutjobs that're promising them the world.
What we need is political parties and elements of the media, all of whom genuinely know better, to stop pandering to the dim and easily agitated because they're easier to manipulate and generate votes, clicks, shares online, etc.
I get it, politics, regular politics, is dry, boring, and often involves unfulfilled promises or disappointment. And I've lost count of the number of times I've heard people say they like Farage, Trump, etc, because they're entertaining and they piss off the people they don't like. But that's not politics, that's WWE. That's just Nascar in suits.
But at some point, politicians have got to stop chasing the angry vote, and media folk, the likes of which are happy to sh*it their own bed and wallow in crap, if it guarantees their articles gets clicks, likes and shares, that will have to be contained too.
Because if you're trying to obtain power and wealth by promising to fix all the problems of half of society, by blaming the other half, I don't know what kind of society you're going to be left with. I get it, the folk that're chasing power and wealth by agitating the easily enraged are nicely insulated from the fallout of creating a divided, fearful, and insular society.
But economies don't thrive if we're all kicking each other in the head. Stop chasing the dim vote and instead engage with people in an honest and grown-up manner. Start with a healthy and educated population, and then maybe you'll have voters less likely to fall for snake oil salesmen telling them to be afraid of the person nextdoor.
I'm really pleased but then again, I'm not sure it's a great example of democracy in action. It was deliberately engineered to make sure Marine Le Pen failed. I see what youโre saying. Maybe it is an interesting thought that this might also be democracy? I understand what you're saying, and I agree. But also, if large numbers of the population feel unrepresented, that can only lead to them increasingly embracing the nutjobs that're promising them the world. What we need is political parties and elements of the media, all of whom genuinely know better, to stop pandering to the dim and easily agitated because they're easier to manipulate and generate votes, clicks, shares online, etc. I get it, politics, regular politics, is dry, boring, and often involves unfulfilled promises or disappointment. And I've lost count of the number of times I've heard people say they like Farage, Trump, etc, because they're entertaining and they piss off the people they don't like. But that's not politics, that's WWE. That's just Nascar in suits. But at some point, politicians have got to stop chasing the angry vote, and media folk, the likes of which are happy to sh*it their own bed and wallow in crap, if it guarantees their articles gets clicks, likes and shares, that will have to be contained too. Because if you're trying to obtain power and wealth by promising to fix all the problems of half of society, by blaming the other half, I don't know what kind of society you're going to be left with. I get it, the folk that're chasing power and wealth by agitating the easily enraged are nicely insulated from the fallout of creating a divided, fearful, and insular society. But economies don't thrive if we're all kicking each other in the head. Stop chasing the dim vote and instead engage with people in an honest and grown-up manner. Start with a healthy and educated population, and then maybe you'll have voters less likely to fall for snake oil salesmen telling them to be afraid of the person nextdoor.
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loui
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Labour V Conservative , by loui on Jul 8, 2024 15:24:32 GMT 1, I see what youโre saying. Maybe it is an interesting thought that this might also be democracy? I understand what you're saying, and I agree. But also, if large numbers of the population feel unrepresented, that can only lead to them increasingly embracing the nutjobs that're promising them the world. What we need is political parties and elements of the media, all of whom genuinely know better, to stop pandering to the dim and easily agitated because they're easier to manipulate and generate votes, clicks, shares online, etc. I get it, politics, regular politics, is dry, boring, and often involves unfulfilled promises or disappointment. And I've lost count of the number of times I've heard people say they like Farage, Trump, etc, because they're entertaining and they piss off the people they don't like. But that's not politics, that's WWE. That's just Nascar in suits. But at some point, politicians have got to stop chasing the angry vote, and media folk, the likes of which are happy to sh*it their own bed and wallow in crap, if it guarantees their articles gets clicks, likes and shares, that will have to be contained too. Because if you're trying to obtain power and wealth by promising to fix all the problems of half of society, by blaming the other half, I don't know what kind of society you're going to be left with. I get it, the folk that're chasing power and wealth by agitating the easily enraged are nicely insulated from the fallout of creating a divided, fearful, and insular society. But economies don't thrive if we're all kicking each other in the head. Stop chasing the dim vote and instead engage with people in an honest and grown-up manner. Start with a healthy and educated population, and then maybe you'll have voters less likely to fall for snake oil salesmen telling them to be afraid of the person nextdoor. Couldnt agree more. However, the fact that in some countries some parties with rather extreme points of view got so many votes might, in some odd way, be good for democracy. People who felt not represented by the ruling parties, feel they have seized power this way. We now need to trust our democratic system, to deal with and overcome the differences in opinions.
I see what youโre saying. Maybe it is an interesting thought that this might also be democracy? I understand what you're saying, and I agree. But also, if large numbers of the population feel unrepresented, that can only lead to them increasingly embracing the nutjobs that're promising them the world. What we need is political parties and elements of the media, all of whom genuinely know better, to stop pandering to the dim and easily agitated because they're easier to manipulate and generate votes, clicks, shares online, etc. I get it, politics, regular politics, is dry, boring, and often involves unfulfilled promises or disappointment. And I've lost count of the number of times I've heard people say they like Farage, Trump, etc, because they're entertaining and they piss off the people they don't like. But that's not politics, that's WWE. That's just Nascar in suits. But at some point, politicians have got to stop chasing the angry vote, and media folk, the likes of which are happy to sh*it their own bed and wallow in crap, if it guarantees their articles gets clicks, likes and shares, that will have to be contained too. Because if you're trying to obtain power and wealth by promising to fix all the problems of half of society, by blaming the other half, I don't know what kind of society you're going to be left with. I get it, the folk that're chasing power and wealth by agitating the easily enraged are nicely insulated from the fallout of creating a divided, fearful, and insular society. But economies don't thrive if we're all kicking each other in the head. Stop chasing the dim vote and instead engage with people in an honest and grown-up manner. Start with a healthy and educated population, and then maybe you'll have voters less likely to fall for snake oil salesmen telling them to be afraid of the person nextdoor. Couldnt agree more. However, the fact that in some countries some parties with rather extreme points of view got so many votes might, in some odd way, be good for democracy. People who felt not represented by the ruling parties, feel they have seized power this way. We now need to trust our democratic system, to deal with and overcome the differences in opinions.
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