Art as an investment

[tab1]

Aug 15, 2020 9:45:05 GMT 1 tran16 said:

Warren Buffet just bought a load of gold

Gold all time high
Buy silver
Gold will still gain but not as the potential gains from silver

[Dive Jedi]

Aug 15, 2020 11:58:30 GMT 1 The Italian One said:

last year i read an article in a very famous economic newspaper that said real investment in art start at 1 million and up..
below that amount there are not good art investment.

off course i do not agree with that...but there is some truth!

Obviously they never heard of Peckham Rocks.....

[tab1]

From the forum from the last few weeks invest in

Banksy posterS

Stik signed book prints

Mr doodle

Thierry noir

[GMA]

Aug 15, 2020 10:10:00 GMT 1 iamzero said:

Do we have any street art releases anymore or is this place now so full of investment types with £80k a year bonuses hyping the next blue chip artist that have never touched a spraycan? Picasso sales, Murmure Street, Oli Epp... not really urban is it? I know things change and evolve but it’s all become a bit gentrified around here I reckon.

There's definitely more 'fine art' prints I'd say.

[Dive Jedi]

Aug 15, 2020 12:20:01 GMT 1 GMA said:

Aug 15, 2020 10:10:00 GMT 1 iamzero said:

Do we have any street art releases anymore or is this place now so full of investment types with £80k a year bonuses hyping the next blue chip artist that have never touched a spraycan? Picasso sales, Murmure Street, Oli Epp... not really urban is it? I know things change and evolve but it’s all become a bit gentrified around here I reckon.

There's definitely more 'fine art' prints I'd say.

Are these GMA or "After GMA" ? 

[JockoLad]

Aug 15, 2020 11:58:30 GMT 1 The Italian One said:

last year i read an article in a very famous economic newspaper that said real investment in art start at 1 million and up..
below that amount there are not good art investment.

off course i do not agree with that...but there is some truth!

Could someone work out the percentage increase for these please:

£100 increase to £12,000
£450 increase to £32,000
£1.99 increase to £150/£200

I challenge anyone in investing to find me something better than that over the space of 10 to 15 years.

While I appreciate that £1m is good for the mega rich, the margins I have on my meagre investments in art (completely unexpected as a bonus) are simply incredible.

[kjg]

Aug 15, 2020 12:33:25 GMT 1 JockoLad said:

Aug 15, 2020 11:58:30 GMT 1 The Italian One said:

last year i read an article in a very famous economic newspaper that said real investment in art start at 1 million and up..
below that amount there are not good art investment.

off course i do not agree with that...but there is some truth!

Could someone work out the percentage increase for these please:

£100 increase to £12,000
£450 increase to £32,000
£1.99 increase to £150/£200

I challenge anyone in investing to find me something better than that over the space of 10 to 15 years.

While I appreciate that £1m is good for the mega rich, the margins I have on my meagre investments in art (completely unexpected as a bonus) are simply incredible.

£100 increase to £12,000 = 11900% increase

£450 increase to £32,000 = 7011% increase

£1.99 increase to £150/£200 = 7437/9950% increase

[Deleted]

Aug 15, 2020 12:33:25 GMT 1 JockoLad said:

Aug 15, 2020 11:58:30 GMT 1 The Italian One said:

last year i read an article in a very famous economic newspaper that said real investment in art start at 1 million and up..
below that amount there are not good art investment.

off course i do not agree with that...but there is some truth!

Could someone work out the percentage increase for these please:

£100 increase to £12,000
£450 increase to £32,000
£1.99 increase to £150/£200

I challenge anyone in investing to find me something better than that over the space of 10 to 15 years.

While I appreciate that £1m is good for the mega rich, the margins I have on my meagre investments in art (completely unexpected as a bonus) are simply incredible.

Agree. Probably the best investment you could have made in the last couple of years would be spending £100 on Peckham Rocks. But if anyone told you that at the time you wouldn't believe them (search the Peckham Rock thread for evidence).

On the other side, a lot of 'investors' on here were crowing about Oli Epp and Pejac, but look at them now. You can get some of their prints at or below cost. (They may well rise again and I'm not slagging either - I have an Epp worth exactly what I paid and I don't want to get rid of it). 

When you're talking about the kind of artists discussed on here, i.e. not the real big guns (Banksy aside), it's a crap shoot. So may as well buy what you like. If you have investment in mind, take a chance on inexpensive, unknown artists you like. I bought Mark Drews at £30 each when they were easy to buy direct, because I liked him. They're all worth loads more now. But I'll never sell the most valuable because I love them.

[Dive Jedi]

Aug 15, 2020 12:41:18 GMT 1 kjg said:

Aug 15, 2020 12:33:25 GMT 1 JockoLad said:

Could someone work out the percentage increase for these please:

£100 increase to £12,000
£450 increase to £32,000
£1.99 increase to £150/£200

I challenge anyone in investing to find me something better than that over the space of 10 to 15 years.

While I appreciate that £1m is good for the mega rich, the margins I have on my meagre investments in art (completely unexpected as a bonus) are simply incredible.

£100 increase to £12,000 = 11900% increase

£450 increase to £32,000 = 7011% increase

£1.99 increase to £150/£200 = 7437/9950% increase

With current interest rate at 0,1% at a bank account
you would have had to put £1.99 in the bank at the time they were building the pyramids
to get the same return as to buy a Peckham Rock at source 2 years ago....

[Express Post]

Doigster.
£10,000 in the 1990s to $29,000,000 in 2019.
Mah honky! Look at dat cracker fly.
artuk.org/discover/stories/how-a-few-public-art-galleries-beat-the-art-market-the-case-of-peter-doig

[JockoLad]

Search for a post by BONGO (my favourite forum member of all time) and take a look at his post around 2008 recommending that everyone stay calm and hold on to their Banksy’s. Never a wiser word spoken.

After collecting for a a good while now, I would say this to anyone - buy anything ‘Banksy’ that has even a hint of being official. You will make money, if that is your intention.

Postcards, LAZ books, posters, prints, trainers, T-shirts, key rings. Buy it.

Prices have risen considerably but the demand is increasing.

I had great joy contacting my friend in London who purchased a stack of postcards for me on my tip off. He was quite delighted to find the ten that he also bought for himself (unbeknownst to me) are now selling for £150.

BUY BANKSY.

[dannubs]

Aug 15, 2020 13:32:00 GMT 1 JockoLad said:

Search for a post by BONGO (my favourite forum member of all time) and take a look at his post around 2008 recommending that everyone stay calm and hold on to their Banksy’s. Never a wiser word spoken.

After collecting for a a good while now, I would say this to anyone - buy anything ‘Banksy’ that has even a hint of being official. You will make money, if that is your intention.

Postcards, LAZ books, posters, prints, trainers, T-shirts, key rings. Buy it.

Prices have risen considerably but the demand is increasing.

I had great joy contacting my friend in London who purchased a stack of postcards for me on my tip off. He was quite delighted to find the ten that he also bought for himself (unbeknownst to me) are now selling for £150.

BUY BANKSY.

Has anyone picked up that NHS book with the game changer print on yet? Does it mention anything about the image use being “official”?

Probably not a good example as it’s likely going to be commercially available for years, on the other hand so were the CDs that are being mopped up now 🤷‍♂️

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Aug 15, 2020 13:36:36 GMT 1 dannubs said:

Aug 15, 2020 13:32:00 GMT 1 JockoLad said:

Search for a post by BONGO (my favourite forum member of all time) and take a look at his post around 2008 recommending that everyone stay calm and hold on to their Banksy’s. Never a wiser word spoken.

After collecting for a a good while now, I would say this to anyone - buy anything ‘Banksy’ that has even a hint of being official. You will make money, if that is your intention.

Postcards, LAZ books, posters, prints, trainers, T-shirts, key rings. Buy it.

Prices have risen considerably but the demand is increasing.

I had great joy contacting my friend in London who purchased a stack of postcards for me on my tip off. He was quite delighted to find the ten that he also bought for himself (unbeknownst to me) are now selling for £150.

BUY BANKSY.

Has anyone picked up that NHS book with the game changer print on yet? Does it mention anything about the image use being “official”?

Probably not a good example as it’s likely going to be commercially available for years, on the other hand so were the CDs that are being mopped up now 🤷‍♂️

It is used with permission, yes. 

[GMA]

Aug 15, 2020 12:28:51 GMT 1 Dive Jedi said:

Aug 15, 2020 12:20:01 GMT 1 GMA said:

There's definitely more 'fine art' prints I'd say.

Are these GMA or "After GMA" ? 

Not sure what you're asking? 😅

[pr.yu]

Hebru Brantley
Jerkface

Have both seen significant jumps in auction prices recently. Nothing like what Banksy, Invader, Hirst, Kaws, etc. are doing, but slow but steady rise. And prints are probably still in average folk's price range. Not sure they're "investment" quality, but you never know who's got legs. Brantley is starting to get a lot of corporate notice.

[GMA]

Aug 15, 2020 13:45:31 GMT 1 @whatilike said:

Aug 15, 2020 13:36:36 GMT 1 dannubs said:

Has anyone picked up that NHS book with the game changer print on yet? Does it mention anything about the image use being “official”?

Probably not a good example as it’s likely going to be commercially available for years, on the other hand so were the CDs that are being mopped up now 🤷‍♂️

It is used with permission, yes. 

What book is this you speak off 👀

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Aug 15, 2020 13:55:04 GMT 1 GMA said:

Aug 15, 2020 13:45:31 GMT 1 @whatilike said:

It is used with permission, yes. 

What book is this you speak off 👀

Dear NHS, by Adam Kay. I doubt you'd want to display it as a Banksy authorised 'work', but all profits go to NHS charities, so it's a nice thing to buy. 

[mark1]

Picked up a signed Dear NHS when released for the wife while on furlough and think it’s number 1 seller or was recently

[The Greased Piglet]

Aug 15, 2020 10:45:24 GMT 1 @mondedemerde said:

Aug 15, 2020 9:38:11 GMT 1 The Greased Piglet said:

That is the typical boring and cliche advice. If people truly believed this they would all just buy decorative pieces and replicas to hang on their wall. If youre going to spend thousands (or in some cases millions) of pounds on something, it’s as asset and unless you have money to burn, you should consider its investment merits. To answer the OPs question it is a gamble trying to guess the artist which is going to leap up in value. I’ve given up trying to guess which fresh emerging artists will make it big and try and look at mid career or established artists (who have some secondary sales under their belt) which look under valued, my money is on Katherine Bradford, Mel Bochner (selected worlds), Jonathan Lyndon Chase, Richard Mudariki and Guy Yanai.

You know nothing about the art world. I would immediately pay 100k for a work (even if it is worth less) if I liked it, but I wouldn't hang a reproduction on my wall, has nothing to do with art.
Don't think that the collectors on Instagram and in the forums will make out the collectors and regulate the market price, that will be a rude awakening.

You clearly have more money than sense; I work for a living. Hope Daddy’s trust fund doesn’t run out too soon.

[shy]

Samuel Jablon
Richie Culver
Cassi Namoda
Felix Treadwell
Anastasia Bay
Akos Ezer


that's a great list! Good luck!

[iamzero]

Aug 15, 2020 13:55:04 GMT 1 GMA said:

Aug 15, 2020 13:45:31 GMT 1 @whatilike said:

It is used with permission, yes. 

What book is this you speak off 👀

I can’t find anywhere on that book that credits Banksy for the artwork which I found a bit strange.

[nobokov]

KAWS
Sandra Chevrier
Martin Whatson
Mr. Brainwash
Conor Bros.

These are all sure bets for investment and forum favorites.

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Aug 15, 2020 15:34:52 GMT 1 iamzero said:

Aug 15, 2020 13:55:04 GMT 1 GMA said:

What book is this you speak off 👀

I can’t find anywhere on that book that credits Banksy for the artwork which I found a bit strange.

Back of book.
Says artwork by Banksy.

[iamzero]

Clearly I didn’t look close enough. I was rushing around Costco buying wine and Wagyu burgers in my pitiful defence.

[ak1]

Always amusing these types of threads on who the next big thing is going to be or who should I invest in. Art should be considered because you love the piece no matter who the artist and want it on the wall. Not some list posted here or on Instagram. I buy emerging artists (Im not going to list them) because I like the work and enjoy looking at it on the wall. Buy something you can enjoy, not something to stick under the bed hoping it'll go up in value. Most likely it wont.

[tab1]

Aug 15, 2020 16:33:32 GMT 1 ak1 said:

Always amusing these types of threads on who the next big thing is going to be or who should I invest in. Art should be considered because you love the piece no matter who the artist and want it on the wall. Not some list posted here or on Instagram. I buy emerging artists (Im not going to list them) because I like the work and enjoy looking at it on the wall. Buy something you can enjoy, not something to stick under the bed hoping it'll go up in value. Most likely it wont.

Name the emerging artists ?other members could be interested ?or protecting your investments?!😉😁

[ca]

Anyone buying with their ears instead of their eyes will eventually crash and burn

[tab1]

Aug 15, 2020 17:52:37 GMT 1 @shadowman said:

I'd say Thierry Noir.
Banksy if you can afford it but even the entry level Peckham rock is a good place as that has the pest control and very hard to fake unlike the countless banksy tenners that surface on a well known auction site unless laz letter of authority. There are many entry level pieces that have come on to the Market over the years. The Tracey emin napkins were 50 pounds each (maximum 2 each) from her website in 2013 now over three grand each. Don't furnish flippers hands try and buy from source and over time trade up. Timing is everything.

tracey Emin posters were £50 and now £1000-£2000

[Octopus UK]

Aug 15, 2020 13:32:00 GMT 1 JockoLad said:

Search for a post by BONGO (my favourite forum member of all time) and take a look at his post around 2008 recommending that everyone stay calm and hold on to their Banksy’s. Never a wiser word spoken.

I remember BONGO. Their posts were so much fun! They typed everything in FULL CAPS I recall.

[Terry Fuckwitt]

Aug 15, 2020 18:01:15 GMT 1 @shadowman said:

I'd also say stik. I can see even unsigned books with the posters increasing in value. They were 20 pounds from book depository a year ago now about ninety pounds. To my understanding their are very few signed stick big issue posters and the signed books have a Foyle's signed sticker on. Very easy to forge sticks signature on a poster with book. Just saying be careful like the banksy tenners out there.

Not all of the genuine signed books have the signed sticker. I have two that are genuine without the sticker. They might have been the ones available on the signing night, but can't remember now.