[galleriezz]

Real or fake

Coa by “arts limited”

[Happy Shopper]

Fake

[vvk]

Jan 27, 2022 23:44:40 GMT 1 galleriezz said:

Real or fake

Coa by “arts limited”

do u have a  picture?

[mark1]

Probably right but the quality is a little better than a homemade free art job

[philipw]

The “limited” in “Arts Limited” would denote a company from a specific set of countries. None of the companies registers I’ve looked at have a company by that name. That would be a good clue.

[met]

Jan 27, 2022 23:44:40 GMT 1 galleriezz said:

Real or fake

Coa by “arts limited”

Jan 28, 2022 1:08:02 GMT 1 vvk said:

Jan 27, 2022 23:44:40 GMT 1 galleriezz said:

Real or fake

Coa by “arts limited”

do u have a  picture?

galleriezz

The note you're referring to would be fake.



Separately, to follow up on vvk's query, it would be helpful and much appreciated if you could post clear images of both:

(i) the $1 note itself; and

(ii) the certificate of authenticity from Arts Limited.



Your images would serve as useful supporting evidence for a post in a new forum thread I'm thinking about starting, for the benefit of less experienced collectors.

This thread could be a centralised home to various Case Studies on scamming and other forms of dishonesty by specific individuals, businesses and entities — especially within (but not exclusive to) the Banksy market.

[storm breaker]

Jan 28, 2022 11:14:50 GMT 1 met said:

Jan 27, 2022 23:44:40 GMT 1 galleriezz said:

Real or fake

Coa by “arts limited”

Jan 28, 2022 1:08:02 GMT 1 vvk said:

do u have a  picture?

galleriezz

The note you're referring to would be fake.



Separately, to follow up on vvk 's query, it would be helpful and much appreciated if you could post clear images of both:

(i) the $1 note itself; and

(ii) the certificate of authenticity from Arts Limited.



Your images would serve as useful supporting evidence for a post in a new forum thread I'm thinking about starting, for the benefit of less experienced collectors.

This thread could be a centralised home to various Case Studies on scamming and other forms of dishonesty by specific individuals, businesses and entities — especially within (but not exclusive to) the Banksy market.

Arts Limited are members here under the user name starburst

[mark1]

Do you mean the $0 double sided Dismaland note? If I remember correctly it was around soon after the opening of Dismaland

[Happy Shopper]

Jan 28, 2022 12:30:40 GMT 1 mark1 said:

Do you mean the $0 double sided Dismaland note? If I remember correctly it was around soon after the opening of Dismaland

Not seen it before, but they're all fake.

[inefficiency of]

Jan 28, 2022 13:11:32 GMT 1 @plurker said:

Jan 28, 2022 11:14:50 GMT 1 met said:

Your images would serve as useful supporting evidence for a post in a new forum thread I'm thinking about starting, for the benefit of less experienced collectors.

This thread could be a centralised home to various Case Studies on scamming and other forms of dishonesty by specific individuals, businesses and entities — especially within (but not exclusive to) the Banksy market.

This would be a very good thing to do.
I'm sure we've all spent times on here, or on social media / ebay, helping out those new to collecting.

Some, of course, don't want to be helped!  I and others spent time last night on one of the FB groups trying to point out that an 'original work from Dismiland' was fake - but because 'Laz had authenticated it' and Maddox valued it at a £5-figure sum (good gallery...!!) the owner wouldn't accept the possibility of it being fake.

If there was some kind of resource here such as you describe, that may help sway that kind of opinion.  Or not, but at least we're trying...

Jeeez! What was this fake original work someone got duped into buying? Would love to see how awful it is, any pictures?

[galleriezz]

[galleriezz]

Please see pictures below and feedback would be great.

[kwatis]

Absolutely fake. And why would there be Dismaland/Banksy art on US currency when both the park/artist are British? That should have been the first clue, not to mention the dubious non Pest Control/Laz COA.

[Lunch Special]

Jan 28, 2022 20:53:59 GMT 1 galleriezz said:

I’ve never seen this. Have a few lewis bannister did as coa’s for his larger dismal dollars. I’ll look for pics.

[Lunch Special]

Jan 28, 2022 20:58:34 GMT 1 kwatis said:

Absolutely fake. And why would there be Dismaland/Banksy art on US currency when both the park/artist are British? That should have been the first clue, not to mention the dubious non Pest Control/Laz COA.

Last time I checked Disneyland ( which was what dismal land is / was based off ) is an American company no?

Still fake af. 🤦‍♂️

[inefficiency of]

Jan 28, 2022 19:35:11 GMT 1 @plurker said:

Jan 28, 2022 19:23:59 GMT 1 inefficiency of said:

Jeeez! What was this fake original work someone got duped into buying? Would love to see how awful it is, any pictures?

You may have to join the FB group, not sure if it's public
m.facebook.com/groups/2361383231/permalink/10159739811228232/

Wow, what a sad read, it’s such a shame to see people getting fooled into thinking they have something with monetary value.

[inefficiency of]

Jan 28, 2022 20:53:59 GMT 1 galleriezz said:

Awful and fake, also, it wouldn’t be Lewis bannister either as it’s just a poor copy of other artists works.

[met]

Jan 28, 2022 20:53:59 GMT 1 galleriezz said:

Jan 28, 2022 20:54:32 GMT 1 galleriezz said:

Please see pictures below and feedback would be great.

Thank you very much for posting these images.


1.  As others have already stated, the $1 note was not created by Banksy.


2.  With respect to the Certificate of Authenticity, unfortunately your photo isn't clear enough for me to read much of the text.

But regardless, the only value that COA would have is its potential to fool less-experienced Banksy collectors into handing their money over to Arts Limited.

[met]

Jan 28, 2022 19:35:11 GMT 1 @plurker said:

Jan 28, 2022 19:23:59 GMT 1 inefficiency of said:

Jan 28, 2022 13:11:32 GMT 1 @plurker said:

Jan 28, 2022 11:14:50 GMT 1 met said:

[...]

Your images would serve as useful supporting evidence for a post in a new forum thread I'm thinking about starting, for the benefit of less experienced collectors.

This thread could be a centralised home to various Case Studies on scamming and other forms of dishonesty by specific individuals, businesses and entities — especially within (but not exclusive to) the Banksy market.

This would be a very good thing to do.
I'm sure we've all spent times on here, or on social media / ebay, helping out those new to collecting.

Some, of course, don't want to be helped!  I and others spent time last night on one of the FB groups trying to point out that an 'original work from Dismiland' was fake - but because 'Laz had authenticated it' and Maddox valued it at a £5-figure sum (good gallery...!!) the owner wouldn't accept the possibility of it being fake.

If there was some kind of resource here such as you describe, that may help sway that kind of opinion.  Or not, but at least we're trying...

Jeeez! What was this fake original work someone got duped into buying? Would love to see how awful it is, any pictures?

You may have to join the FB group, not sure if it's public
m.facebook.com/groups/2361383231/permalink/10159739811228232/

Cheers for posting that Facebook group link.


1.  Xavier Choin* is probably just a naive dupe, now sadly in possession of multiple fakes.


2.  But I am not so sure about the Michael Heath* chap.

Regarding his fake Golf Sale on cardboard "from Dismiland", he is the one confirming "It has been authenticated by Steve Lazarides". And that "it's valued at £15K to £20K by Maddox Gallery in London."

Now, the likelihood of these two things actually having happened is pretty much zero.

And so either Michael Heath is easily fooled, was ripped off, and is now perpetuating the lies he was told by his seller. Or (perhaps more plausibly) he himself is the fraudster creating a false narrative — in order to later offload a piece he knows isn't genuine onto some novice Banksy collector.

[.dappy]

... oh man! ... I missed those british museum Peckham Rocks at Dismaland ... nearly 3 years before they existed ... supporting that Golf Sale (Ed15) ... it must be real ...

[met]

Jan 28, 2022 23:02:18 GMT 1 @plurker said:

Jan 28, 2022 22:11:03 GMT 1 met said:

Jan 28, 2022 19:35:11 GMT 1 @plurker said:

You may have to join the FB group, not sure if it's public
m.facebook.com/groups/2361383231/permalink/10159739811228232/

Cheers for posting that Facebook group link.


1.  Xavier Choin* is probably just a naive dupe, now sadly in possession of multiple fakes.


2.  But I am not so sure about the Michael Heath* chap.

Regarding his fake Golf Sale on cardboard "from Dismiland", he is the one confirming "It has been authenticated by Steve Lazarides". And that "it's valued at £15K to £20K by Maddox Gallery in London."

Now, the likelihood of these two things actually having happened is pretty much zero.

And so either Michael Heath is easily fooled, was ripped off, and is now perpetuating the lies he was told by his seller. Or (perhaps more plausibly) he himself is the fraudster creating a false narrative — in order to later offload a piece he knows isn't genuine onto some novice Banksy collector.

I think he's naive.
we moved to PM and he just parroted the same line; 'bought from a dealer associated with Maddox'

i was thinking it was Xavier trying to sell the fakes, which Michael said was the case. Xavi had PMd Michael with some pieces for sale.

Either way, there are a lot of people who don't research and get mugged off

If Michael Heath is of good faith, then yes he's certainly naive.


It would also be a case of wishful thinking and confirmation bias clouding his judgement.

We often believe what we want to believe, and instinctively dismiss or rationalise any evidence that contradicts those beliefs. That is the very opposite of what Julia Galef refers to as the "scout mindset". Each one of us, to a greater or lesser extent, is vulnerable to this kind of thinking. Even scientists and researchers sometimes fall prey, despite generally being acutely aware of the risk.


An additional problem is that "Hoodwinked people embrace their misperceptions."*

The adage is as old as it is familiar:

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.


__________


On the plus side, Heath appears open to engaging in discussion.

For the time being, he may refuse to believe he was conned, at least when this truth is coming from yourself.

But if the very same truth were communicated to him by Steve Lazarides, Maddox Gallery in London, and/or Pest Control Office, then presumably this could be more successful in shaking his conviction regarding the authenticity of his Golf Sale on cardboard.

And so, the only thing that should be required here is for Heath to carry out the most basic of verification exercises — by reaching out to the above (any one or two of them, or all three) and asking a simple question.

If he truly believes his piece to be genuine, then there are no disadvantages, only benefits, in him getting a direct response from those whose supposed authentications or valuations he is currently relying upon.


__________


Let's make it easy for Heath.

He can just use one of the templates below.

Adding photos of the front and back of the artwork would be helpful and courteous, but arguably not even necessary.



1.  Steve Lazarides


1.1  Email [e-mail]


FAO Steve Lazarides


Dear Steve,

I am writing to you about a spraypainted artwork on cardboard featuring Banksy's Golf Sale image and Banksy's tag at the bottom-right corner. On the reverse side of the cardboard is the text "ENJOY YOUR FREE ART" and "BANKSY IS DISMAL!! WSM", a Dismaland stamp, and the edition number 15/15. Please see the attached photos for information.

The artwork was purchased by me in [Insert year] from a dealer based in [Insert dealer's geographical location], named [Insert dealer's full name]. He confirmed you had authenticated the piece as a genuine Banksy.

I would be very grateful if you could let me know whether this information is indeed correct.

Thank you for your time.

Best regards,

Michael Heath
[Heath to insert his contact details, as appropriate]


1.2  Alternatively, reach out via Instagram — @stevelazarides



2.  Maddox Gallery


Email [e-mail]


Dear Sirs,

I am writing to you about a spraypainted artwork on cardboard featuring Banksy's Golf Sale image and Banksy's tag at the bottom-right corner. On the reverse side of the cardboard is the text "ENJOY YOUR FREE ART" and "BANKSY IS DISMAL!! WSM", a Dismaland stamp, and the edition number 15/15. Please see the attached photos for information.

The artwork was purchased by me in [Insert year] from a dealer based in [Insert dealer's geographical location], named [Insert dealer's full name]. He confirmed he has connections with yourselves, and that Maddox Gallery London had valued the piece at £15,000–£20,000.

I would be very grateful if you could let me know whether this information is indeed correct.

Thank you for your time.

Best regards,

Michael Heath
[Heath to insert his contact details, as appropriate]



3.  Pest Control Office


3.1  Email [e-mail]


Dear Pest Control Office,

I am writing to you about a spraypainted artwork on cardboard featuring Banksy's Golf Sale image and Banksy's tag at the bottom-right corner. On the reverse side of the cardboard is the text "ENJOY YOUR FREE ART" and "BANKSY IS DISMAL!! WSM", a Dismaland stamp, and the edition number 15/15. Please see the attached photos for information.

The artwork was purchased by me in [Insert year] from a dealer based in [Insert dealer's geographical location], named [Insert dealer's full name]. He sold it to me as an authentic piece by Banksy.

I would be very grateful if you could let me know whether this artwork on cardboard was indeed created by Banksy.

Thank you for your time.

Best regards,

Michael Heath
[Heath to insert his contact details, as appropriate]


3.2  Alternatively, fill in the form in the link below:

pestcontroloffice.com/buy1.asp

[Bill Hicks]

Jan 29, 2022 12:00:48 GMT 1 met said:

Jan 28, 2022 23:02:18 GMT 1 @plurker said:

I think he's naive.
we moved to PM and he just parroted the same line; 'bought from a dealer associated with Maddox'

i was thinking it was Xavier trying to sell the fakes, which Michael said was the case. Xavi had PMd Michael with some pieces for sale.

Either way, there are a lot of people who don't research and get mugged off

If Michael Heath is of good faith, then yes he's certainly naive.


It would also be a case of wishful thinking and confirmation bias clouding his judgement.

We often believe what we want to believe, and instinctively dismiss or rationalise any evidence that contradicts those beliefs. That is the very opposite of what Julia Galef refers to as the "scout mindset". Each one of us, to a greater or lesser extent, is vulnerable to this kind of thinking. Even scientists and researchers sometimes fall prey, despite generally being acutely aware of the risk.


An additional problem is that "Hoodwinked people embrace their misperceptions."*

The adage is as old as it is familiar:

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.


__________


On the plus side, Heath appears open to engaging in discussion.

For the time being, he may refuse to believe he was conned, at least when this truth is coming from yourself.

But if the very same truth were communicated to him by Steve Lazarides, Maddox Gallery in London, and/or Pest Control Office, then presumably this could be more successful in shaking his conviction regarding the authenticity of his Golf Sale on cardboard.

And so, the only thing that should be required here is for Heath to carry out the most basic of verification exercises — by reaching out to the above (any one or two of them, or all three) and asking a simple question.

If he truly believes his piece to be genuine, then there are no disadvantages, only benefits, in him getting a direct response from those whose supposed authentications or valuations he is currently relying upon.


__________


Let's make it easy for Heath.

He can just use one of the templates below.

Adding photos of the front and back of the artwork would be helpful and courteous, but arguably not even necessary.



1.  Steve Lazarides


1.1  Email [e-mail]


FAO Steve Lazarides


Dear Steve,

I am writing to you about a spraypainted artwork on cardboard featuring Banksy's Golf Sale image and Banksy's tag at the bottom-right corner. On the reverse side of the cardboard is the text "ENJOY YOUR FREE ART" and "BANKSY IS DISMAL!! WSM", a Dismaland stamp, and the edition number 15/15. Please see the attached photos for information.

The artwork was purchased by me in [Insert year] from a dealer based in [Insert dealer's geographical location], named [Insert dealer's full name]. He confirmed you had authenticated the piece as a genuine Banksy.

I would be very grateful if you could let me know whether this information is indeed correct.

Thank you for your time.

Best regards,

Michael Heath
[Heath to insert his contact details, as appropriate]


1.2  Alternatively, reach out via Instagram — @stevelazarides



2.  Maddox Gallery


Email [e-mail]


Dear Sirs,

I am writing to you about a spraypainted artwork on cardboard featuring Banksy's Golf Sale image and Banksy's tag at the bottom-right corner. On the reverse side of the cardboard is the text "ENJOY YOUR FREE ART" and "BANKSY IS DISMAL!! WSM", a Dismaland stamp, and the edition number 15/15. Please see the attached photos for information.

The artwork was purchased by me in [Insert year] from a dealer based in [Insert dealer's geographical location], named [Insert dealer's full name]. He confirmed he has connections with yourselves, and that Maddox Gallery London had valued the piece at £15,000–£20,000.

I would be very grateful if you could let me know whether this information is indeed correct.

Thank you for your time.

Best regards,

Michael Heath
[Heath to insert his contact details, as appropriate]



3.  Pest Control Office


3.1  Email [e-mail]


Dear Pest Control Office,

I am writing to you about a spraypainted artwork on cardboard featuring Banksy's Golf Sale image and Banksy's tag at the bottom-right corner. On the reverse side of the cardboard is the text "ENJOY YOUR FREE ART" and "BANKSY IS DISMAL!! WSM", a Dismaland stamp, and the edition number 15/15. Please see the attached photos for information.

The artwork was purchased by me in [Insert year] from a dealer based in [Insert dealer's geographical location], named [Insert dealer's full name]. He sold it to me as an authentic piece by Banksy.

I would be very grateful if you could let me know whether this artwork on cardboard was indeed created by Banksy.

Thank you for your time.

Best regards,

Michael Heath
[Heath to insert his contact details, as appropriate]


3.2  Alternatively, fill in the form in the link below:

pestcontroloffice.com/buy1.asp

[blurp]

Yikes. Surely he doesn't think it's real does he?

Mar 1, 2022 0:06:24 GMT 1 @plurker said:

Fakes are getting out of hand. Buyers are not doing any research.
This makes me angry.  

Ive been speaking this evening with a guy who paid €3,000 for this.