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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by manty on Apr 28, 2010 17:09:36 GMT 1, I actually like eating beans out of a tin. for warm beans in a tin, place the open tin onto the hob of an electric oven when a student this saves on unwanted washing up
Todays Top Tip ;D
I actually like eating beans out of a tin. for warm beans in a tin, place the open tin onto the hob of an electric oven when a student this saves on unwanted washing up Todays Top Tip ;D
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by manty on Apr 28, 2010 17:13:10 GMT 1, i can imagine this doing quite well. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets bid up VERY high.... it's not as if Thierry is short of cash now. It's been submitted by him and i'd be surprised if it's not bought by him.
Its quite surreal this market.
I reckon your right, and it will fly.
Another legend is born out of hype.
i can imagine this doing quite well. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets bid up VERY high.... it's not as if Thierry is short of cash now. It's been submitted by him and i'd be surprised if it's not bought by him. Its quite surreal this market. I reckon your right, and it will fly. Another legend is born out of hype.
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by snausages on Apr 29, 2010 4:57:12 GMT 1, Would be a smart move for him, everyone will be waiting to see how the market reacts to his work . No, not everyone.
Would be a smart move for him, everyone will be waiting to see how the market reacts to his work . No, not everyone.
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by Pure Evil on Apr 29, 2010 7:18:16 GMT 1, This is how you manipulate the price of artwork using auction houses.. its very simple :
If you prop up the price of an artist you own (or you prop up the price of your own artwork) then it looks like ALL their artwork has held its value or gone up in value.
This is how you manipulate the price of artwork using auction houses.. its very simple :
If you prop up the price of an artist you own (or you prop up the price of your own artwork) then it looks like ALL their artwork has held its value or gone up in value.
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by Sundowner on Apr 29, 2010 20:09:45 GMT 1, I remember seeing that on iPlayer after it was shown, and then met Ben Lewis (the presenter) at the Art Car Boot Sale last year.....he had some very interesting stories around the researching of that programme.
Well worth getting the DVD if you get chance which has loads of extra unseen footage....www.benlewis.tv/?p=215
I remember seeing that on iPlayer after it was shown, and then met Ben Lewis (the presenter) at the Art Car Boot Sale last year.....he had some very interesting stories around the researching of that programme. Well worth getting the DVD if you get chance which has loads of extra unseen footage.... www.benlewis.tv/?p=215
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by walshy on Apr 29, 2010 23:05:57 GMT 1, for warm beans in a tin, place the open tin onto the hob of an electric oven when a student this saves on unwanted washing up Todays Top Tip ;D
No worries, next time I will explain how to make soft boiled eggs inside a kettle
for warm beans in a tin, place the open tin onto the hob of an electric oven when a student this saves on unwanted washing up Todays Top Tip ;D No worries, next time I will explain how to make soft boiled eggs inside a kettle
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by nigelbgg on Apr 30, 2010 17:26:21 GMT 1, ok i have a question.... Once an artist reaches a certain value, how quickly can this decline if he is out of favour. Or will people buy the work regardless in the hope they go back up to the heights they are now/at peak. Sorry not very well put but hopefully someone understands what i mean. Sorry all downhill for Adam Neate and Antony Micallef. Never in the field of human conflict have these two artists have been so inflated in price, so much so that the only way is down!
Christ what are you some mother fucking sage on the worlds art markets?
If you could predict these markets so well you wouldn't be on some tossy web board spouting your facts now would you!
This piece is amazing, can't wait to see the final sale price.
www.phillipsdepury.com/auctions/lot-detail.aspx?sn=NY010210&search=&p=&order=&lotnum=211
ok i have a question.... Once an artist reaches a certain value, how quickly can this decline if he is out of favour. Or will people buy the work regardless in the hope they go back up to the heights they are now/at peak. Sorry not very well put but hopefully someone understands what i mean. Sorry all downhill for Adam Neate and Antony Micallef. Never in the field of human conflict have these two artists have been so inflated in price, so much so that the only way is down! Christ what are you some mother fucking sage on the worlds art markets? If you could predict these markets so well you wouldn't be on some tossy web board spouting your facts now would you! This piece is amazing, can't wait to see the final sale price. www.phillipsdepury.com/auctions/lot-detail.aspx?sn=NY010210&search=&p=&order=&lotnum=211
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by Deleted on May 1, 2010 13:17:02 GMT 1, nice spot mr. frank.. wouldnt even surprise me if it hits $50k.. I don't even like it although I'm a big fan of Hirst.. but some people are buying his stuff no matter what the image is :s.
nice spot mr. frank.. wouldnt even surprise me if it hits $50k.. I don't even like it although I'm a big fan of Hirst.. but some people are buying his stuff no matter what the image is :s.
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by Deleted on May 1, 2010 13:30:06 GMT 1, nice spot mr. frank.. wouldnt even surprise me if it hits $50k.. I don't even like it although I'm a big fan of Hirst.. but some people are buying his stuff no matter what the image is :s.
nice spot mr. frank.. wouldnt even surprise me if it hits $50k.. I don't even like it although I'm a big fan of Hirst.. but some people are buying his stuff no matter what the image is :s.
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by gilsteph on May 1, 2010 15:09:02 GMT 1, Anyone want to buy my Hirst for $50k? Its a nicer image and 50% bigger!
Anyone want to buy my Hirst for $50k? Its a nicer image and 50% bigger!
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by snausages on May 4, 2010 23:18:36 GMT 1, Yeah that hirst "canvas" looked absolutely pathetic stuck in side the plexi box hanging off the wall. Waste of money there.
The mcgee looks pretty nice in person and is framed up pretty nice in a nice wood frame (but check with PdP to be sure frames included) That McGee was in the infamous PdP auction about two years ago that had an atrocious buy in rate on the hot young contemporary market. This was estimated at I think 15-25k last time. Think this estimate is much more realistic.
That AK-47 painting is well executed looks fine in person. For me, I'd get tired of the image way too quick.
The Murakamis and Nara look great of course. The Florian Maier Achen photos are really nice but out of my league.
The lot of three dr lakras is pretty sweet too. The Ryan Mcginley isn't a great image but not as bad as I thought in person, cool in a way I guess and the low estimate is 4k under retail on an image that size.
If you're thinking of bidding on anything let me know and I can give you feedback on how it looks in person, if I remember the piece. But they didn't have the Banksy up last saturday. Will have to go back and see it.
Some of my (affordable) faves Matthew Cerletty $7000+
Dr Lakra
Clare Rojas $2500+
Nice little Dzama $2000+
Yeah that hirst "canvas" looked absolutely pathetic stuck in side the plexi box hanging off the wall. Waste of money there. The mcgee looks pretty nice in person and is framed up pretty nice in a nice wood frame (but check with PdP to be sure frames included) That McGee was in the infamous PdP auction about two years ago that had an atrocious buy in rate on the hot young contemporary market. This was estimated at I think 15-25k last time. Think this estimate is much more realistic. That AK-47 painting is well executed looks fine in person. For me, I'd get tired of the image way too quick. The Murakamis and Nara look great of course. The Florian Maier Achen photos are really nice but out of my league. The lot of three dr lakras is pretty sweet too. The Ryan Mcginley isn't a great image but not as bad as I thought in person, cool in a way I guess and the low estimate is 4k under retail on an image that size. If you're thinking of bidding on anything let me know and I can give you feedback on how it looks in person, if I remember the piece. But they didn't have the Banksy up last saturday. Will have to go back and see it. Some of my (affordable) faves Matthew Cerletty $7000+ Dr Lakra Clare Rojas $2500+ Nice little Dzama $2000+
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by afroken on May 4, 2010 23:24:51 GMT 1, Two of those Dr Lakra's failed to sell at PDP's last NOW auction in London. They're great though.
Two of those Dr Lakra's failed to sell at PDP's last NOW auction in London. They're great though.
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by snausages on May 5, 2010 2:48:37 GMT 1, Yeah, I'd love just one of those Lakras for about $2k. Estimate is fair though as his gallery in mexico charges between $4-6000 retail for each.
Yeah, I'd love just one of those Lakras for about $2k. Estimate is fair though as his gallery in mexico charges between $4-6000 retail for each.
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by snausages on May 5, 2010 7:04:30 GMT 1, And off topic as this is at bloomsbury, but this photo caught my eye coming up in london shortly. Roger Ballen takes some pretty rad photos, I own two. Think Diane Arbus but even more weird. The low estimate £1500 is a good savings under the retail price at gagosian.
www.bloomsburyauctions.com/detail/719/112.0
And off topic as this is at bloomsbury, but this photo caught my eye coming up in london shortly. Roger Ballen takes some pretty rad photos, I own two. Think Diane Arbus but even more weird. The low estimate £1500 is a good savings under the retail price at gagosian. www.bloomsburyauctions.com/detail/719/112.0
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by worlddomination on May 5, 2010 20:06:23 GMT 1, All going to be very interesting next week to see what this beauty makes a Banksy classic, from the right era and great pedigree first shown in NYC in 2003 at I believe his first show there.
All going to be very interesting next week to see what this beauty makes a Banksy classic, from the right era and great pedigree first shown in NYC in 2003 at I believe his first show there.
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by samo on May 14, 2010 15:07:40 GMT 1, Toxic Marys failed to sell.
Toxic Marys failed to sell.
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by snausages on May 14, 2010 16:48:08 GMT 1, Surprising Banksy didn't sell, huge piece for the price, but it's not my favorite piece by him at all.
Wow, one standout from this auction, Mark Bradford, a canvas about this size would sell for 50-100k 5 years ago. Now it's 500k!!! I really tried to figure out how I could raise that much cash for one back then, but I was dreaming. phillipsdepury.com/auctions/lot-detail.aspx?sn=NY010110&search=&p=1&order=&lotnum=108
I'm a little bit surprised I've never seen his name mentioned in these circles. "Bradford transforms materials scavenged from the street into wall-sized collages and installations." Much like some other faves around here and he's been doing it for as least as long if not longer.
He has a piece that's hanging in the Brooklyn Museum and one is in the New Museum exhibition right now.
Check Saatchi for bkgrnd on him www.saatchi-gallery.co.uk/artists/mark_bradford.htm
Surprising Banksy didn't sell, huge piece for the price, but it's not my favorite piece by him at all. Wow, one standout from this auction, Mark Bradford, a canvas about this size would sell for 50-100k 5 years ago. Now it's 500k!!! I really tried to figure out how I could raise that much cash for one back then, but I was dreaming. phillipsdepury.com/auctions/lot-detail.aspx?sn=NY010110&search=&p=1&order=&lotnum=108I'm a little bit surprised I've never seen his name mentioned in these circles. "Bradford transforms materials scavenged from the street into wall-sized collages and installations." Much like some other faves around here and he's been doing it for as least as long if not longer. He has a piece that's hanging in the Brooklyn Museum and one is in the New Museum exhibition right now. Check Saatchi for bkgrnd on him www.saatchi-gallery.co.uk/artists/mark_bradford.htm
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by bazzj04 on May 14, 2010 16:55:36 GMT 1, dont really like this, sure it gets more hype just cause its a Banksy, planes , a Mary , a baby / ?..
dont really like this, sure it gets more hype just cause its a Banksy, planes , a Mary , a baby / ?..
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by samo on May 14, 2010 20:06:12 GMT 1, Lot 437 Mr. Brainwash Charlie Chaplin pink sold for $100.000 (hammerprice)
Lot 437 Mr. Brainwash Charlie Chaplin pink sold for $100.000 (hammerprice)
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by rkitek on May 15, 2010 0:35:02 GMT 1, That's shocking -- double the low estimate!
That's shocking -- double the low estimate!
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by Simococo on May 15, 2010 5:54:43 GMT 1, the tiny Hirst hit $118,900
the tiny Hirst hit $118,900
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by Simococo on May 15, 2010 5:58:48 GMT 1, Chris Johanson lot 396 = $40k!!!!
Chris Johanson lot 396 = $40k!!!!
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by kennas on May 15, 2010 9:33:35 GMT 1, That's shocking -- double the low estimate!
I would bet a thousand bucks, this was bought by either himself or an associate. Happens all the time.
That's shocking -- double the low estimate! I would bet a thousand bucks, this was bought by either himself or an associate. Happens all the time.
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by Cedric Mnich on May 15, 2010 12:02:15 GMT 1, Had a very interesting talk yesterday with a renowned Art consultant. Prices are manipulated like hell. As kennas says, it's probably someone very close to Mr Brainwash (if not himself) who bought the piece in order to build a market value for the art.
Had a very interesting talk yesterday with a renowned Art consultant. Prices are manipulated like hell. As kennas says, it's probably someone very close to Mr Brainwash (if not himself) who bought the piece in order to build a market value for the art.
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by boaty on May 15, 2010 12:17:12 GMT 1, Had a very interesting talk yesterday with a renowned Art consultant. Prices are manipulated like hell. As kennas says, it's probably someone very close to Mr Brainwash (if not himself) who bought the piece in order to build a market value for the art.
Curious, did the art consultant ahve any views on the long term value of MBW pieces?
Had a very interesting talk yesterday with a renowned Art consultant. Prices are manipulated like hell. As kennas says, it's probably someone very close to Mr Brainwash (if not himself) who bought the piece in order to build a market value for the art. Curious, did the art consultant ahve any views on the long term value of MBW pieces?
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by Cedric Mnich on May 15, 2010 13:34:11 GMT 1, Can CC his feedback on Banksy and an interesting true story : Me : the Banksy piece was not sold. Do you have any explanation ? is Banksy not mature yet as an artist or was it overpriced ? Low quality piece ? Consultant : First of all, it's Banksy. And second of all, it's Banksy. And third of all, it's Banksy. Just having fun with you. Banksy's market is not a real market. It's just a couple of people thinking they can 'create' a market (at that level, I mean - it's different for the people buying t-shirts and skateboards, of course). Me : interesting. meaning he's not yet into the Art World (with a capital letter), still being considered a hyped Street artist, correct, like Mr Brainwash seems to be ? I personally think street art could be considered in the future as a major art movement. Consultant : Well, Banksy IS in the 'Art world,' but only within a very narrow range of visibility and hype. I have nothing against graffiti or street art (and collected a lot of it in my 20's!), but this work, while perfectly fine, doesn't rise above its own limitations - as did the best works of say, Basquiat and/or Haring. Me : some interesting Urban Art thread here about the Mr Brainwash painting sold for 100K at that auction : urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=urbanartauction&thread=53062&page=1 Some people suggest MBW could have bought it himself. Consultant : it's so fake....
And on the topic of market / prices manipulation : Consultant : There's an art advisor who saw an artist's work a few years ago and said 'I can make a short term market with this work.'
The consultant than purchased a few choice pieces for himself very quietly first at very low prices.
The consultant than next went to his biggest client #1 and convinced this client #1 (who is very famous and public and has a huge collection in a huge public building that everybody has visited) to exhibit the artist's work there so everybody would feel they should have the work too.
The consultant than convinced client #2, who owned a piece by the artist, to put it at auction because of the visibility of the artist's work in client #1's public museum, and this would ensure a bidding frenzy from other collectors at auction.
Client #2 put the piece into auction. This consultant than convinced client #3 that he HAD to buy the artist's that client #2 had put at auction because artist was the bestest artist ever! Client #3 bid, and he bid high - he paid about $900,000 at auction for a artist work that should cost $30,000 from the gallery, because the consultant told him to.
Other people saw this happen without knowing the story behind the story. All they know is that THEY MUST NOW HAVE a artist's also.
And now, having done all this, our consultant, who initially bought choice works for himself first for nothing, now puts HIS OWN artist's up at auction this time around, knowing he has laid the groundwork for a (very) successful auction sale.
And that, my dear, is how that works. And when the bloom is off the rose, artist will be left with not much, and the consultant will have made a lot of money.
VERY VERY enlightening discussion in my opinion !
So boaty, I don't know about the long term value of MBW pieces. It will depend fully on the hype and on artist / galleries / consultant / collectors collusion I guess !
Can CC his feedback on Banksy and an interesting true story : Me : the Banksy piece was not sold. Do you have any explanation ? is Banksy not mature yet as an artist or was it overpriced ? Low quality piece ? Consultant : First of all, it's Banksy. And second of all, it's Banksy. And third of all, it's Banksy. Just having fun with you. Banksy's market is not a real market. It's just a couple of people thinking they can 'create' a market (at that level, I mean - it's different for the people buying t-shirts and skateboards, of course). Me : interesting. meaning he's not yet into the Art World (with a capital letter), still being considered a hyped Street artist, correct, like Mr Brainwash seems to be ? I personally think street art could be considered in the future as a major art movement. Consultant : Well, Banksy IS in the 'Art world,' but only within a very narrow range of visibility and hype. I have nothing against graffiti or street art (and collected a lot of it in my 20's!), but this work, while perfectly fine, doesn't rise above its own limitations - as did the best works of say, Basquiat and/or Haring. Me : some interesting Urban Art thread here about the Mr Brainwash painting sold for 100K at that auction : urbanartassociation.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=urbanartauction&thread=53062&page=1Some people suggest MBW could have bought it himself. Consultant : it's so fake.... And on the topic of market / prices manipulation : Consultant : There's an art advisor who saw an artist's work a few years ago and said 'I can make a short term market with this work.' The consultant than purchased a few choice pieces for himself very quietly first at very low prices. The consultant than next went to his biggest client #1 and convinced this client #1 (who is very famous and public and has a huge collection in a huge public building that everybody has visited) to exhibit the artist's work there so everybody would feel they should have the work too. The consultant than convinced client #2, who owned a piece by the artist, to put it at auction because of the visibility of the artist's work in client #1's public museum, and this would ensure a bidding frenzy from other collectors at auction. Client #2 put the piece into auction. This consultant than convinced client #3 that he HAD to buy the artist's that client #2 had put at auction because artist was the bestest artist ever! Client #3 bid, and he bid high - he paid about $900,000 at auction for a artist work that should cost $30,000 from the gallery, because the consultant told him to. Other people saw this happen without knowing the story behind the story. All they know is that THEY MUST NOW HAVE a artist's also. And now, having done all this, our consultant, who initially bought choice works for himself first for nothing, now puts HIS OWN artist's up at auction this time around, knowing he has laid the groundwork for a (very) successful auction sale. And that, my dear, is how that works. And when the bloom is off the rose, artist will be left with not much, and the consultant will have made a lot of money. VERY VERY enlightening discussion in my opinion ! So boaty, I don't know about the long term value of MBW pieces. It will depend fully on the hype and on artist / galleries / consultant / collectors collusion I guess !
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by Deleted on May 15, 2010 13:37:28 GMT 1, the tiny Hirst hit $118,900
someone failed an IQ test then! what a nonsense
the tiny Hirst hit $118,900 someone failed an IQ test then! what a nonsense
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Phillips Art Auctions • New York, Hong Kong & London, by boaty on May 15, 2010 19:49:50 GMT 1, VERY VERY enlightening discussion in my opinion ! So boaty, I don't know about the long term value of MBW pieces. It will depend fully on the hype and on artist / galleries / consultant / collectors collusion I guess !
Enlightening indeed, Cedric - thanks for sharing that!
VERY VERY enlightening discussion in my opinion ! So boaty, I don't know about the long term value of MBW pieces. It will depend fully on the hype and on artist / galleries / consultant / collectors collusion I guess ! Enlightening indeed, Cedric - thanks for sharing that!
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