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New Banksy?, by Lroy on Aug 16, 2021 23:21:11 GMT 1, Can you be charged for criminal damage, for painting over someone else's criminal damage? Madness. While appreciating yours may have been a rhetorical question, it covers a point of interest to me. Under the Criminal Damage Act 1971, the courts of England and Wales are given some discretion as to what constitutes "damage". In most if not all cases at this stage of his career, it seems unlikely that unauthorised street pieces created by Banksy would be construed by the courts as damage. Since the financial value of the properties, and arguably their cultural value, would probably be enhanced rather than diminished. But when Ban ksy street pieces are later defaced or destroyed, the resulting loss of property value incurred by the relevant owners (whether private or public) could indeed warrant criminal damage charges. Using the same arguments, my position would be that Ban ksy can no longer technically be described as a "vandal". Nor can any of his street works over the past decade or so, even if they were unsanctioned, now be referred to with accuracy as "vandalism".
So, if it’s not vandalism, can we call it now : « bourgeoisie, hype and established art ? “
All these graffitis or street-artists have been recuperated by municipalities, billionaires, young wolves from
Wall Street and overpaid footballers ? All this because of .. Money, investment, prints and canvas market ? Speculators ? And so now we should had to protect them ? Is it the future ? And for the people fan of this graffiti world, and for the more fortunate of us, we have to overpay Lp’ sleeves, posters, fake posters, tats, etc ?
Rotten with his no future broke the rules of all this rock, baba cool and star system with billionaire boring bands as the Rolling Stones, Beatles, etc etc.
What is happening with the screenshot of the white paint and the police investigation is paradoxal with Banksy ‘s world ( traveling in the video in his old van as the guy on the road again etc ..
Yes it’s a paradox, and what was a rebellion, vandalisms and outlaws is already right now an outside museum.
Imposture ?
and forgivable one, because we all love Banksy ?
Decade ago there was this famous trial where Tox was jailed during two years and when Eine had hard words !
the paradox again is that Banksy made a wall to help Tox sending him bubbles hommage and love .. ( toyed by another one on the plexiglass )..
* Interesting debate ( and what is happening even if we are sad, street is the street even if I don’t caution this toxic and wrong coward white paint ) anyway even if I write as a goat.
www.google.fr/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2011/jun/07/tox-graffiti-artist-criminal-damage
Can you be charged for criminal damage, for painting over someone else's criminal damage? Madness. While appreciating yours may have been a rhetorical question, it covers a point of interest to me. Under the Criminal Damage Act 1971, the courts of England and Wales are given some discretion as to what constitutes "damage". In most if not all cases at this stage of his career, it seems unlikely that unauthorised street pieces created by Banksy would be construed by the courts as damage. Since the financial value of the properties, and arguably their cultural value, would probably be enhanced rather than diminished. But when Ban ksy street pieces are later defaced or destroyed, the resulting loss of property value incurred by the relevant owners (whether private or public) could indeed warrant criminal damage charges. Using the same arguments, my position would be that Ban ksy can no longer technically be described as a "vandal". Nor can any of his street works over the past decade or so, even if they were unsanctioned, now be referred to with accuracy as "vandalism". This world is very strange and the social Fracture increases day by day and touched street-art. It’s a market : some knows, some artists are becoming “ classics “ when others are abandoned or/and purchased. So, if it’s not vandalism, can we call it now : « bourgeoisie, hype and established art ? “ All these graffitis or street-artists have been recuperated by municipalities, billionaires, young wolves from Wall Street and overpaid footballers ? All this because of .. Money, investment, prints and canvas market ? Speculators ? And so now we should had to protect them ? Is it the future ? And for the people fan of this graffiti world, and for the more fortunate of us, we have to overpay Lp’ sleeves, posters, fake posters, tats, etc ? Rotten with his no future broke the rules of all this rock, baba cool and star system with billionaire boring bands as the Rolling Stones, Beatles, etc etc. What is happening with the screenshot of the white paint and the police investigation is paradoxal with Banksy ‘s world ( traveling in the video in his old van as the guy on the road again etc .. Yes it’s a paradox, and what was a rebellion, vandalisms and outlaws is already right now an outside museum. Imposture ? and forgivable one, because we all love Banksy ? Decade ago there was this famous trial where Tox was jailed during two years and when Eine had hard words ! the paradox again is that Banksy made a wall to help Tox sending him bubbles hommage and love .. ( toyed by another one on the plexiglass ).. * Interesting debate ( and what is happening even if we are sad, street is the street even if I don’t caution this toxic and wrong coward white paint ) anyway even if I write as a goat. www.google.fr/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2011/jun/07/tox-graffiti-artist-criminal-damage |
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New Banksy?, by trickledown on Aug 16, 2021 23:45:50 GMT 1, Has anybody else noticed that the Alcoholic man /Girl flying on inflatable dinghy has been removed from the Banksy website? I'm assuming that maybe it's been removed because he was unaware of the tragic circumstances relating to the bouncy castle incident and I'm guessing this was done out of respect.
Has anybody else noticed that the Alcoholic man /Girl flying on inflatable dinghy has been removed from the Banksy website? I'm assuming that maybe it's been removed because he was unaware of the tragic circumstances relating to the bouncy castle incident and I'm guessing this was done out of respect.
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New Banksy?, by trickledown on Aug 17, 2021 10:51:37 GMT 1, He thanked Banksy for his "one-of-a-kind masterpieces" and said he would like to see an artwork in the artist's "signature style" showing "townsfolk releasing hundreds of pink balloons".
If I was a betting man I wouldn’t be surprised to see another new Banksy featuring pink balloons appearing somewhere in Great Yarmouth over the coming weeks.
Possibly even a new version of Girl with ballon?
He thanked Banksy for his "one-of-a-kind masterpieces" and said he would like to see an artwork in the artist's "signature style" showing "townsfolk releasing hundreds of pink balloons". If I was a betting man I wouldn’t be surprised to see another new Banksy featuring pink balloons appearing somewhere in Great Yarmouth over the coming weeks. Possibly even a new version of Girl with ballon? |
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New Banksy?, by Arty Farty 15 on Aug 17, 2021 11:20:30 GMT 1, He thanked Banksy for his "one-of-a-kind masterpieces" and said he would like to see an artwork in the artist's "signature style" showing "townsfolk releasing hundreds of pink balloons". If I was a betting man I wouldn’t be surprised to see another new Banksy featuring pink balloons appearing somewhere in Great Yarmouth over the coming weeks. Possibly even a new version of Girl with ballon?
Good job you’re not a betting man as this definitely will not be happening.
He thanked Banksy for his "one-of-a-kind masterpieces" and said he would like to see an artwork in the artist's "signature style" showing "townsfolk releasing hundreds of pink balloons". If I was a betting man I wouldn’t be surprised to see another new Banksy featuring pink balloons appearing somewhere in Great Yarmouth over the coming weeks. Possibly even a new version of Girl with ballon? Good job you’re not a betting man as this definitely will not be happening. |
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New Banksy?, by mrizzle on Aug 17, 2021 18:01:15 GMT 1, A guide (including locations) from the BBC News.
Banksy: A guide to his 'Great British Spraycation' www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-58145220
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New Banksy?, by met on Aug 17, 2021 21:14:13 GMT 1, World's gone mad 😂😂😂 Banksy not wanted but cover up is, for criminal damage. Laughable
A criminal damage investigation into the whitewashing is certainly ironic, when bearing in mind Banksy's origins.
But I myself would not describe this as the world having gone mad. Because it makes perfect sense to me, especially when considered from the perspective of Lowestoft and its residents.
The professional status and cultural significance Banksy has built up over the years means his unsanctioned interventions have broadly ceased to be viewed as vandalism — whether by the general populace, its elected representatives, or the authorities.
Indeed, the opposite would be true. More often than not, Banksy's street pieces are now looked upon as surprise "gifts" to the relevant neighbourhoods. And, crucially, gifts that are very much welcomed. They generate interest and promote civic engagement. They shift the status quo, by adding value rather than taking away from it.
And so, when these artworks are defaced or destroyed, there is an identifiable loss that provides the foundation for a criminal damage case.
Regardless of any misgivings some individuals may have on the subject of what street art or graffiti "should be about", this is the current reality when it comes to Banksy. Specifically, his interventions are treated as the exception. The position he holds is pretty unique.
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Try placing yourself in the shoes of a struggling business just coming out of lockdown in Lowestoft. Like, say, a retail shop, hotel, bed & breakfast, restaurant, café or bar.
Next, imagine the impact of a new Banksy piece suddenly popping up nearby.
It might well be a lifeline. Possibly even a godsend — attracting day visitors and tourists; re-energising an entire community after the Covid-19 restrictions; helping to bring people together again; offering locals some pride in the fact their town had become a talking point and was momentarily in the international spotlight.
To my mind, the cocktail-drinking rat, cleverly positioned beneath the beach drain pipe, was artistically strong enough to have become a notable cultural landmark for the area.
Whether as a morale booster or simply in terms of potential tourism revenue, the artwork probably had more value to Lowestoft than if Banksy had offered the town 25 gold bars weighing 1kg apiece.
Now imagine what a depressing comedown it must have been for business owners and residents when they discovered the rat was covered over. And so pointlessly as well, to the detriment of the commons. Simply for reasons of petty envy or spite by one individual.
My hope is that the painting can be restored.
As you posted an ITV News headline, I in turn found another article by the same outlet. Please see below.
The video therein is recommended — if only to listen to the winsome elderly lady with the embroidered black top, starting at 0:47. For me, her comment about "some brainless cretin" offered a perfect assessment of the situation:
www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-08-15/council-condemns-mindless-and-selfish-behaviour-after-banksy-mural-vandalised
World's gone mad 😂😂😂 Banksy not wanted but cover up is, for criminal damage. Laughable
A criminal damage investigation into the whitewashing is certainly ironic, when bearing in mind Banksy's origins. But I myself would not describe this as the world having gone mad. Because it makes perfect sense to me, especially when considered from the perspective of Lowestoft and its residents. The professional status and cultural significance Ban ksy has built up over the years means his unsanctioned interventions have broadly ceased to be viewed as vandalism — whether by the general populace, its elected representatives, or the authorities. Indeed, the opposite would be true. More often than not, Ban ksy's street pieces are now looked upon as surprise "gifts" to the relevant neighbourhoods. And, crucially, gifts that are very much welcomed. They generate interest and promote civic engagement. They shift the status quo, by adding value rather than taking away from it. And so, when these artworks are defaced or destroyed, there is an identifiable loss that provides the foundation for a criminal damage case. Regardless of any misgivings some individuals may have on the subject of what str eet art or gra ffiti "should be about", this is the current reality when it comes to Ban ksy. Specifically, his interventions are treated as the exception. The position he holds is pretty unique. __________ Try placing yourself in the shoes of a struggling business just coming out of lockdown in Lowestoft. Like, say, a retail shop, hotel, bed & breakfast, restaurant, café or bar. Next, imagine the impact of a new Ban ksy piece suddenly popping up nearby. It might well be a lifeline. Possibly even a godsend — attracting day visitors and tourists; re-energising an entire community after the Covid-19 restrictions; helping to bring people together again; offering locals some pride in the fact their town had become a talking point and was momentarily in the international spotlight. To my mind, the cocktail-drinking rat, cleverly positioned beneath the beach drain pipe, was artistically strong enough to have become a notable cultural landmark for the area. Whether as a morale booster or simply in terms of potential tourism revenue, the artwork probably had more value to Lowestoft than if Ban ksy had offered the town 25 gold bars weighing 1kg apiece. Now imagine what a depressing comedown it must have been for business owners and residents when they discovered the rat was covered over. And so pointlessly as well, to the detriment of the commons. Simply for reasons of petty envy or spite by one individual. My hope is that the painting can be restored. As you posted an ITV News headline, I in turn found another article by the same outlet. Please see below. The video therein is recommended — if only to listen to the winsome elderly lady with the embroidered black top, starting at 0:47. For me, her comment about "some brainless cretin" offered a perfect assessment of the situation: www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-08-15/council-condemns-mindless-and-selfish-behaviour-after-banksy-mural-vandalised |
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New Banksy?, by Chris JL on Aug 17, 2021 21:18:20 GMT 1, met: spot on
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New Banksy?, by fuzzed on Aug 18, 2021 18:31:12 GMT 1, I’d personally say no to Banksy, the white glow just doesn’t sit right to me. Potentially could be an eyesaw, who’s located not far away?
I’d personally say no to Banksy, the white glow just doesn’t sit right to me. Potentially could be an eyesaw, who’s located not far away?
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New Banksy?, by verylittlehelps on Aug 18, 2021 22:29:05 GMT 1, Not sure if this has already been mentioned but the version of Dance Monkey that plays over the video is the same music that plays in the model village entrance.
I assume the village use it because it's much cheaper than using the real version, I suspect Banksy might also have benefited from this, plus it adds to the tacky/seaside aspect.
Not sure if this has already been mentioned but the version of Dance Monkey that plays over the video is the same music that plays in the model village entrance.
I assume the village use it because it's much cheaper than using the real version, I suspect Banksy might also have benefited from this, plus it adds to the tacky/seaside aspect.
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New Banksy?, by Sam Am on Aug 20, 2021 20:37:34 GMT 1, He sure is a timberland fan 👀🕵️♂️
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New Banksy?, by Knowss on Aug 20, 2021 21:57:51 GMT 1, He sure is a timberland fan 👀🕵️♂️
From his residency in NYC 🤣
He sure is a timberland fan 👀🕵️♂️ From his residency in NYC 🤣 |
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New Banksy?, by Lroy on Aug 21, 2021 1:45:00 GMT 1, He sure is a timberland fan 👀🕵️♂️
The Boti Shoe ?
He sure is a timberland fan 👀🕵️♂️ The Boti Shoe ? |
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New Banksy?, by Matt 2 ttaM on Aug 21, 2021 20:03:45 GMT 1, Seeing everyone rush to put perspex on all the artworks sometimes makes me think Banksy is in a gilded cage. I wonder how often he does works and not advertise them.
Seeing everyone rush to put perspex on all the artworks sometimes makes me think Banksy is in a gilded cage. I wonder how often he does works and not advertise them.
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New Banksy?, by Jules Leotard on Aug 25, 2021 19:12:06 GMT 1, He sure is a timberland fan 👀🕵️♂️ It looks like he got his Spraycation pants at the same place you shop (referring to your photo at the Merrivale Model Village in Great Yarmouth a few pages back).
Clearly, the video has an actor from L.A. in it as Mr. B would never wear 'skinny' jeans. He has blisteringly large calves from his days as a footballer.
He sure is a timberland fan 👀🕵️♂️ It looks like he got his Spraycation pants at the same place you shop (referring to your photo at the Merrivale Model Village in Great Yarmouth a few pages back).
Clearly, the video has an actor from L.A. in it as Mr. B would never wear 'skinny' jeans. He has blisteringly large calves from his days as a footballer.
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New Banksy?, by moron on Feb 27, 2022 20:15:07 GMT 1, World's gone mad 😂😂😂 Banksy not wanted but cover up is, for criminal damage. Laughable
A criminal damage investigation into the whitewashing is certainly ironic, when bearing in mind Banksy's origins. But I myself would not describe this as the world having gone mad. Because it makes perfect sense to me, especially when considered from the perspective of Lowestoft and its residents. The professional status and cultural significance Ban ksy has built up over the years means his unsanctioned interventions have broadly ceased to be viewed as vandalism — whether by the general populace, its elected representatives, or the authorities. Indeed, the opposite would be true. More often than not, Ban ksy's street pieces are now looked upon as surprise "gifts" to the relevant neighbourhoods. And, crucially, gifts that are very much welcomed. They generate interest and promote civic engagement. They shift the status quo, by adding value rather than taking away from it. And so, when these artworks are defaced or destroyed, there is an identifiable loss that provides the foundation for a criminal damage case. Regardless of any misgivings some individuals may have on the subject of what str eet art or gra ffiti "should be about", this is the current reality when it comes to Ban ksy. Specifically, his interventions are treated as the exception. The position he holds is pretty unique. __________ Try placing yourself in the shoes of a struggling business just coming out of lockdown in Lowestoft. Like, say, a retail shop, hotel, bed & breakfast, restaurant, café or bar. Next, imagine the impact of a new Ban ksy piece suddenly popping up nearby. It might well be a lifeline. Possibly even a godsend — attracting day visitors and tourists; re-energising an entire community after the Covid-19 restrictions; helping to bring people together again; offering locals some pride in the fact their town had become a talking point and was momentarily in the international spotlight. To my mind, the cocktail-drinking rat, cleverly positioned beneath the beach drain pipe, was artistically strong enough to have become a notable cultural landmark for the area. Whether as a morale booster or simply in terms of potential tourism revenue, the artwork probably had more value to Lowestoft than if Ban ksy had offered the town 25 gold bars weighing 1kg apiece. Now imagine what a depressing comedown it must have been for business owners and residents when they discovered the rat was covered over. And so pointlessly as well, to the detriment of the commons. Simply for reasons of petty envy or spite by one individual. My hope is that the painting can be restored. As you posted an ITV News headline, I in turn found another article by the same outlet. Please see below. The video therein is recommended — if only to listen to the winsome elderly lady with the embroidered black top, starting at 0:47. For me, her comment about "some brainless cretin" offered a perfect assessment of the situation: www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-08-15/council-condemns-mindless-and-selfish-behaviour-after-banksy-mural-vandalised
World's gone mad 😂😂😂 Banksy not wanted but cover up is, for criminal damage. Laughable
A criminal damage investigation into the whitewashing is certainly ironic, when bearing in mind Banksy's origins. But I myself would not describe this as the world having gone mad. Because it makes perfect sense to me, especially when considered from the perspective of Lowestoft and its residents. The professional status and cultural significance Ban ksy has built up over the years means his unsanctioned interventions have broadly ceased to be viewed as vandalism — whether by the general populace, its elected representatives, or the authorities. Indeed, the opposite would be true. More often than not, Ban ksy's street pieces are now looked upon as surprise "gifts" to the relevant neighbourhoods. And, crucially, gifts that are very much welcomed. They generate interest and promote civic engagement. They shift the status quo, by adding value rather than taking away from it. And so, when these artworks are defaced or destroyed, there is an identifiable loss that provides the foundation for a criminal damage case. Regardless of any misgivings some individuals may have on the subject of what str eet art or gra ffiti "should be about", this is the current reality when it comes to Ban ksy. Specifically, his interventions are treated as the exception. The position he holds is pretty unique. __________ Try placing yourself in the shoes of a struggling business just coming out of lockdown in Lowestoft. Like, say, a retail shop, hotel, bed & breakfast, restaurant, café or bar. Next, imagine the impact of a new Ban ksy piece suddenly popping up nearby. It might well be a lifeline. Possibly even a godsend — attracting day visitors and tourists; re-energising an entire community after the Covid-19 restrictions; helping to bring people together again; offering locals some pride in the fact their town had become a talking point and was momentarily in the international spotlight. To my mind, the cocktail-drinking rat, cleverly positioned beneath the beach drain pipe, was artistically strong enough to have become a notable cultural landmark for the area. Whether as a morale booster or simply in terms of potential tourism revenue, the artwork probably had more value to Lowestoft than if Ban ksy had offered the town 25 gold bars weighing 1kg apiece. Now imagine what a depressing comedown it must have been for business owners and residents when they discovered the rat was covered over. And so pointlessly as well, to the detriment of the commons. Simply for reasons of petty envy or spite by one individual. My hope is that the painting can be restored. As you posted an ITV News headline, I in turn found another article by the same outlet. Please see below. The video therein is recommended — if only to listen to the winsome elderly lady with the embroidered black top, starting at 0:47. For me, her comment about "some brainless cretin" offered a perfect assessment of the situation: www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-08-15/council-condemns-mindless-and-selfish-behaviour-after-banksy-mural-vandalised Define cultural significance. |
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New Banksy?, by Lroy on Feb 27, 2022 20:57:06 GMT 1,
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