Aya Takano 🇯🇵 Japanese Painter • Superflat • Manga

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Aya Takano Drive with a night dog 2006 numbered 74 out of 300 for sale @ £160!! CHEAP!

[paulypaul]

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[6harrer9]

hey guys!

Just saw that Avant Arte is releasing a print collaboration with Aya Takano, what are your thoughts on this, are you going to buy this print or not!

shop.avantarte.com/products/we-human-race-made-this-structure

Just wanted to discuss about the artist here, no harm is the intend

cheers!

[Ottomatik]

I will no longer support them as well.

[Jimini Cricket]

As long as they release more Calleja and Paul Insect prints, both of you mean nowt.

[Dive Jedi]

Jun 7, 2021 13:30:04 GMT 1 Ottomatik said:

I will no longer support them as well.

Those guys are 25 year old millionaires....

I think they will be okay without our "support"......

[mack]

Jun 7, 2021 12:16:58 GMT 1 6harrer9 said:

hey guys!

Just saw that Avant Arte is releasing a print collaboration with Aya Takano, what are your thoughts on this, are you going to buy this print or not!

shop.avantarte.com/products/we-human-race-made-this-structure

Just wanted to discuss about the artist here, no harm is the intend

cheers!

Sorry, it’s not possible to discuss art here anymore. Someone is always pissed about something related to the artist.

The print looks nice but the style, however, is not for me.

[Ottomatik]

Jun 7, 2021 13:53:50 GMT 1 Dive Jedi said:

Jun 7, 2021 13:30:04 GMT 1 Ottomatik said:

I will no longer support them as well.

Those guys are 25 year old millionaires....

I think they will be okay without our "support"......

Yup. Sure they will be fine without my 49 year old non-millionaire support.

[replicant]

Jun 7, 2021 13:49:55 GMT 1 Mooncub said:

Jun 7, 2021 12:29:05 GMT 1 derivitive said:

I won't support avant art after their last release.

Do you mean the Hiroshi marble statues?  I thought they were crap and hugely overpriced but I'm not sure why that would stop you supporting Avant Arte in the future.  

Pretty sure they’re referring to the Calleja prints release, with virtually the entire edition being pre-sold to VIP’s. Leaving approx 11 prints and vetting over 300 people by phone for them. Even after that, if you were selected, you were sent a link which was first come first served. So you could still miss out entirely...

All that to buy a print hand finished by Javi’s wife 

[Ravnur 2020]

Jun 7, 2021 12:16:58 GMT 1 6harrer9 said:

hey guys!

Just saw that Avant Arte is releasing a print collaboration with Aya Takano, what are your thoughts on this, are you going to buy this print or not!

shop.avantarte.com/products/we-human-race-made-this-structure

Just wanted to discuss about the artist here, no harm is the intend

cheers!

You say you want to discuss the artist, but only ask if we are going to buy it. So what do you think about the artist and their work?

Cheers

[kapusta]

Jun 7, 2021 14:14:34 GMT 1 replicant said:

Jun 7, 2021 13:49:55 GMT 1 Mooncub said:

Do you mean the Hiroshi marble statues?  I thought they were crap and hugely overpriced but I'm not sure why that would stop you supporting Avant Arte in the future.  

Pretty sure they’re referring to the Calleja prints release, with virtually the entire edition being pre-sold to VIP’s. Leaving approx 11 prints and vetting over 300 people by phone for them. Even after that, if you were selected, you were sent a link which was first come first served. So you could still miss out entirely...

All that to buy a print hand finished by Javi’s wife 

Perfect summary I'm exhausted just reading the process...

[edmund]

What happened?

[gmidd]

Jun 7, 2021 17:58:34 GMT 1 Mooncub said:

Jun 7, 2021 14:14:34 GMT 1 replicant said:

Pretty sure they’re referring to the Calleja prints release, with virtually the entire edition being pre-sold to VIP’s. Leaving approx 11 prints and vetting over 300 people by phone for them. Even after that, if you were selected, you were sent a link which was first come first served. So you could still miss out entirely...

All that to buy a print hand finished by Javi’s wife 

Sounds like what dozens of other galleries do as well.  All galleries have VIPs.  All galleries have pre-sales, as far as I know.  It may be a pain but it's something that we have to put up with.  Try buying something from Case Studyo.  I would say ALL their stuff is sold out before the release date.  Unless you are on their VIP list you don't stand a chance; even a phone-call-and-vetting chance.  

Agreed. It may not have been the best method but all the hate towards Avant seems a bit excessive. This seems to be an incredibly highly sought after release and I have to give Avant credit for putting in what sounds like a TON of work to try and get these prints in the hands of collectors. I can only imagine how much time it took to schedule and conduct over 300(!) phone calls. Would've been much easier for them to just throw them all up online and let the bots all grab them in 2 seconds.

Full disclosure, I have bought a few things from Avant in the past but am in no way considered a VIP. I have, however, only had positive experiences with them so far. I did get an email to register interest for what seemed to be an interview, but I don't have the kind of money to buy and hold any of these prints anyway so I passed. 

[Ottomatik]

Jun 7, 2021 19:00:03 GMT 1 gmidd said:

Jun 7, 2021 17:58:34 GMT 1 Mooncub said:

Sounds like what dozens of other galleries do as well.  All galleries have VIPs.  All galleries have pre-sales, as far as I know.  It may be a pain but it's something that we have to put up with.  Try buying something from Case Studyo.  I would say ALL their stuff is sold out before the release date.  Unless you are on their VIP list you don't stand a chance; even a phone-call-and-vetting chance.  

Agreed. It may not have been the best method but all the hate towards Avant seems a bit excessive. This seems to be an incredibly highly sought after release and I have to give Avant credit for putting in what sounds like a TON of work to try and get these prints in the hands of collectors. I can only imagine how much time it took to schedule and conduct over 300(!) phone calls. Would've been much easier for them to just throw them all up online and let the bots all grab them in 2 seconds.

Full disclosure, I have bought a few things from Avant in the past but am in no way considered a VIP. I have, however, only had positive experiences with them so far. I did get an email to register interest for what seemed to be an interview, but I don't have the kind of money to buy and hold any of these prints anyway so I passed. 

Didn’t you sell your Thomas S print from them?

[Jimini Cricket]

Jun 7, 2021 21:45:42 GMT 1 Ottomatik said:

Jun 7, 2021 19:00:03 GMT 1 gmidd said:

Agreed. It may not have been the best method but all the hate towards Avant seems a bit excessive. This seems to be an incredibly highly sought after release and I have to give Avant credit for putting in what sounds like a TON of work to try and get these prints in the hands of collectors. I can only imagine how much time it took to schedule and conduct over 300(!) phone calls. Would've been much easier for them to just throw them all up online and let the bots all grab them in 2 seconds.

Full disclosure, I have bought a few things from Avant in the past but am in no way considered a VIP. I have, however, only had positive experiences with them so far. I did get an email to register interest for what seemed to be an interview, but I don't have the kind of money to buy and hold any of these prints anyway so I passed. 

Didn’t you sell your Thomas S print from them?

The answer is yes.

May 21, 2021 18:40:24 GMT 1 gmidd said:

May 17, 2021 12:59:34 GMT 1 dcannata4 said:

is the sanchez still available?

Sorry but the Sanchez sold last weekend and is on its way to the buyer. Everything else listed is still available!

[Ottomatik]

You two crack me up.

[Happy Shopper]

Although I quite like the look of this print, it’s quite expensive and doesn’t really look like the majority of her work!
So I’ll probably pass, and later regret it, like Stickymonger!!

[Ildefonso 77]

i used to like Avant arte but i have a completely different opinion of them. Not that it matters to anyone.
They used to churn out quality stuff at accessible prices, the quality right now is still there yet their prices are just crazy thru the roof.

the latest JC release is just comical.

if Avante Arte is the future, then I dont want any part of it.

[Ildefonso 77]

sorry for not answering your question, I do like the artist Lots of potential
but i Aint touching anything Avant Arte produces so no its a pass for me.

[Christian Avant Arte]

Hi guys

Really sorry to hear all the pissed off comments on this thread after our release with Javier. I wanted to just explain our thinking and intentions, as well as the challenges of a launch like this — we’re still learning and have learnt so much from this forum (including our very first release when the packaging caused loads of issues and you helped us with a solution) so we’re really open to ideas on how to handle a release like this in the best way.

As you know, there are way more collectors trying to get hold of Javier’s work than there are pieces available and some of those people want to buy a piece so they can resell it quickly and make a profit. We as Avant Arte and the artist always want their work to get to people who want to enjoy it and for them not to pay over the odds buying it on the secondary market on day 2. If lots of pieces come up on auction sites quickly, it can also really impact their overall market, especially when prices are going up quickly like with Javier. If we released every print on a first come basis with no calls, the risk is that lots of them end up on eBay — we saw someone on this forum offering to take people’s money for a piece before it was even allocated for example — and so we try to minimise the risk of this happening by selling to loyal clients we know already won’t resell like that and also having calls to understand a bit more about the collectors we don’t know who we allocated some of the pieces for. We did 300 calls, which was a lot of work for the team, because we wanted a decent number of people who were new to be in with a chance of getting a Javier piece. Maybe this was the wrong approach, and would love any ideas on how to manage it better, but it didn’t come with bad intentions or any lack of thought. I think we could do a much better job of managing people’s expectations up front and communicating in a good way afterwards.

On pricing, as you guys know we care a lot about quality and wanna do the artist his/hers best edition that they have ever done. And we are working with bigger and bigger artist, and also artist that we have worked with from the beginning are getting bigger and bigger and prices are starting to rise. So yes back in the day we did prints with Matsu for 700 euro's or with Michael Kagan and even works on paper with Robert Nava for 900. We like to build up long term relationships with these artist and it is just not realistic to still sell those same artist for the same prices (remember artist also have a huge influence in deciding the pricing). And we are still working with artist that are less hyped or known, last month we did Makiko Kudo print for 400 for example. But fair and good feedback that you guys still wanna see artist and their prints around this price point, this is something we will work on. But hope you guys understand that it won't be possible to release a print by Calleja for 500 euro's or a Haroshi sculpture for 1500..

On all of this stuff, we’d really love any suggestions from you on how we can do things better. As I said, we’ve learnt a lot from this forum over the years — from our first release till now. And I wanted to come here to reply, explain the challenges and the thinking, as well as hopefully communicate that we don’t come to any of this with bad intentions but we're sorry for all the frustration.

[Morfx]

Jun 8, 2021 9:44:37 GMT 1 Christian Avant Arte said:

Hi guys

Really sorry to hear all the pissed off comments on this thread after our release with Javier. I wanted to just explain our thinking and intentions, as well as the challenges of a launch like this — we’re still learning and have learnt so much from this forum (including our very first release when the packaging caused loads of issues and you helped us with a solution) so we’re really open to ideas on how to handle a release like this in the best way.

As you know, there are way more collectors trying to get hold of Javier’s work than there are pieces available and some of those people want to buy a piece so they can resell it quickly and make a profit. We as Avant Arte and the artist always want their work to get to people who want to enjoy it and for them not to pay over the odds buying it on the secondary market on day 2. If lots of pieces come up on auction sites quickly, it can also really impact their overall market, especially when prices are going up quickly like with Javier. If we released every print on a first come basis with no calls, the risk is that lots of them end up on eBay — we saw someone on this forum offering to take people’s money for a piece before it was even allocated for example — and so we try to minimise the risk of this happening by selling to loyal clients we know already won’t resell like that and also having calls to understand a bit more about the collectors we don’t know who we allocated some of the pieces for. We did 300 calls, which was a lot of work for the team, because we wanted a decent number of people who were new to be in with a chance of getting a Javier piece. Maybe this was the wrong approach, and would love any ideas on how to manage it better, but it didn’t come with bad intentions or any lack of thought. I think we could do a much better job of managing people’s expectations up front and communicating in a good way afterwards.

On pricing, as you guys know we care a lot about quality and wanna do the artist his/hers best edition that they have ever done. And we are working with bigger and bigger artist, and also artist that we have worked with from the beginning are getting bigger and bigger and prices are starting to rise. So yes back in the day we did prints with Matsu for 700 euro's or with Michael Kagan and even works on paper with Robert Nava for 900. We like to build up long term relationships with these artist and it is just not realistic to still sell those same artist for the same prices (remember artist also have a huge influence in deciding the pricing). And we are still working with artist that are less hyped or known, last month we did Makiko Kudo print for 400 for example. But fair and good feedback that you guys still wanna see artist and their prints around this price point, this is something we will work on. But hope you guys understand that it won't be possible to release a print by Calleja for 500 euro's or a Haroshi sculpture for 1500..

On all of this stuff, we’d really love any suggestions from you on how we can do things better. As I said, we’ve learnt a lot from this forum over the years — from our first release till now. And I wanted to come here to reply, explain the challenges and the thinking, as well as hopefully communicate that we don’t come to any of this with bad intentions but we're sorry for all the frustration.

We appreciate the clarification 👍

Whichever way you turn, you can't please everyone.

What grips me, if theres a piece coming up I really like and I have the funds available, there's no possibility of buying due to presales and VIPs.

I perfectly understand why you need to do this... I can't see a way through.. 😭

[noirrion]

Jun 8, 2021 9:44:37 GMT 1 Christian Avant Arte said:

Hi guys

Really sorry to hear all the pissed off comments on this thread after our release with Javier. I wanted to just explain our thinking and intentions, as well as the challenges of a launch like this — we’re still learning and have learnt so much from this forum (including our very first release when the packaging caused loads of issues and you helped us with a solution) so we’re really open to ideas on how to handle a release like this in the best way.

As you know, there are way more collectors trying to get hold of Javier’s work than there are pieces available and some of those people want to buy a piece so they can resell it quickly and make a profit. We as Avant Arte and the artist always want their work to get to people who want to enjoy it and for them not to pay over the odds buying it on the secondary market on day 2. If lots of pieces come up on auction sites quickly, it can also really impact their overall market, especially when prices are going up quickly like with Javier. If we released every print on a first come basis with no calls, the risk is that lots of them end up on eBay — we saw someone on this forum offering to take people’s money for a piece before it was even allocated for example — and so we try to minimise the risk of this happening by selling to loyal clients we know already won’t resell like that and also having calls to understand a bit more about the collectors we don’t know who we allocated some of the pieces for. We did 300 calls, which was a lot of work for the team, because we wanted a decent number of people who were new to be in with a chance of getting a Javier piece. Maybe this was the wrong approach, and would love any ideas on how to manage it better, but it didn’t come with bad intentions or any lack of thought. I think we could do a much better job of managing people’s expectations up front and communicating in a good way afterwards.

On pricing, as you guys know we care a lot about quality and wanna do the artist his/hers best edition that they have ever done. And we are working with bigger and bigger artist, and also artist that we have worked with from the beginning are getting bigger and bigger and prices are starting to rise. So yes back in the day we did prints with Matsu for 700 euro's or with Michael Kagan and even works on paper with Robert Nava for 900. We like to build up long term relationships with these artist and it is just not realistic to still sell those same artist for the same prices (remember artist also have a huge influence in deciding the pricing). And we are still working with artist that are less hyped or known, last month we did Makiko Kudo print for 400 for example. But fair and good feedback that you guys still wanna see artist and their prints around this price point, this is something we will work on. But hope you guys understand that it won't be possible to release a print by Calleja for 500 euro's or a Haroshi sculpture for 1500..

On all of this stuff, we’d really love any suggestions from you on how we can do things better. As I said, we’ve learnt a lot from this forum over the years — from our first release till now. And I wanted to come here to reply, explain the challenges and the thinking, as well as hopefully communicate that we don’t come to any of this with bad intentions but we're sorry for all the frustration.

Well said. Of course I am also disappointed after a lot of releases as it's getting more and more difficult to get the chance to buy something but that's part of the game these days.

Nevertheless AA is quite transparent in how they plan to allocate the editions and they can sell to whoever they want in order to have the best control possible about who owns their stuff. No need to complain then if you are not one of the chosen fews.

I remain curious to see with what AA is coming up next and crossing my fingers to be more succesful then in the future.

[Jimini Cricket]

Jun 8, 2021 9:44:37 GMT 1 Christian Avant Arte said:

Hi guys

Really sorry to hear all the pissed off comments on this thread after our release with Javier. I wanted to just explain our thinking and intentions, as well as the challenges of a launch like this — we’re still learning and have learnt so much from this forum (including our very first release when the packaging caused loads of issues and you helped us with a solution) so we’re really open to ideas on how to handle a release like this in the best way.

As you know, there are way more collectors trying to get hold of Javier’s work than there are pieces available and some of those people want to buy a piece so they can resell it quickly and make a profit. We as Avant Arte and the artist always want their work to get to people who want to enjoy it and for them not to pay over the odds buying it on the secondary market on day 2. If lots of pieces come up on auction sites quickly, it can also really impact their overall market, especially when prices are going up quickly like with Javier. If we released every print on a first come basis with no calls, the risk is that lots of them end up on eBay — we saw someone on this forum offering to take people’s money for a piece before it was even allocated for example — and so we try to minimise the risk of this happening by selling to loyal clients we know already won’t resell like that and also having calls to understand a bit more about the collectors we don’t know who we allocated some of the pieces for. We did 300 calls, which was a lot of work for the team, because we wanted a decent number of people who were new to be in with a chance of getting a Javier piece. Maybe this was the wrong approach, and would love any ideas on how to manage it better, but it didn’t come with bad intentions or any lack of thought. I think we could do a much better job of managing people’s expectations up front and communicating in a good way afterwards.

On pricing, as you guys know we care a lot about quality and wanna do the artist his/hers best edition that they have ever done. And we are working with bigger and bigger artist, and also artist that we have worked with from the beginning are getting bigger and bigger and prices are starting to rise. So yes back in the day we did prints with Matsu for 700 euro's or with Michael Kagan and even works on paper with Robert Nava for 900. We like to build up long term relationships with these artist and it is just not realistic to still sell those same artist for the same prices (remember artist also have a huge influence in deciding the pricing). And we are still working with artist that are less hyped or known, last month we did Makiko Kudo print for 400 for example. But fair and good feedback that you guys still wanna see artist and their prints around this price point, this is something we will work on. But hope you guys understand that it won't be possible to release a print by Calleja for 500 euro's or a Haroshi sculpture for 1500..

On all of this stuff, we’d really love any suggestions from you on how we can do things better. As I said, we’ve learnt a lot from this forum over the years — from our first release till now. And I wanted to come here to reply, explain the challenges and the thinking, as well as hopefully communicate that we don’t come to any of this with bad intentions but we're sorry for all the frustration.

Open and timed editions.

You're welcome.

[theclash]

Jun 8, 2021 10:00:49 GMT 1 Morfx said:

Jun 8, 2021 9:44:37 GMT 1 Christian Avant Arte said:

Hi guys

Really sorry to hear all the pissed off comments on this thread after our release with Javier. I wanted to just explain our thinking and intentions, as well as the challenges of a launch like this — we’re still learning and have learnt so much from this forum (including our very first release when the packaging caused loads of issues and you helped us with a solution) so we’re really open to ideas on how to handle a release like this in the best way.

As you know, there are way more collectors trying to get hold of Javier’s work than there are pieces available and some of those people want to buy a piece so they can resell it quickly and make a profit. We as Avant Arte and the artist always want their work to get to people who want to enjoy it and for them not to pay over the odds buying it on the secondary market on day 2. If lots of pieces come up on auction sites quickly, it can also really impact their overall market, especially when prices are going up quickly like with Javier. If we released every print on a first come basis with no calls, the risk is that lots of them end up on eBay — we saw someone on this forum offering to take people’s money for a piece before it was even allocated for example — and so we try to minimise the risk of this happening by selling to loyal clients we know already won’t resell like that and also having calls to understand a bit more about the collectors we don’t know who we allocated some of the pieces for. We did 300 calls, which was a lot of work for the team, because we wanted a decent number of people who were new to be in with a chance of getting a Javier piece. Maybe this was the wrong approach, and would love any ideas on how to manage it better, but it didn’t come with bad intentions or any lack of thought. I think we could do a much better job of managing people’s expectations up front and communicating in a good way afterwards.

On pricing, as you guys know we care a lot about quality and wanna do the artist his/hers best edition that they have ever done. And we are working with bigger and bigger artist, and also artist that we have worked with from the beginning are getting bigger and bigger and prices are starting to rise. So yes back in the day we did prints with Matsu for 700 euro's or with Michael Kagan and even works on paper with Robert Nava for 900. We like to build up long term relationships with these artist and it is just not realistic to still sell those same artist for the same prices (remember artist also have a huge influence in deciding the pricing). And we are still working with artist that are less hyped or known, last month we did Makiko Kudo print for 400 for example. But fair and good feedback that you guys still wanna see artist and their prints around this price point, this is something we will work on. But hope you guys understand that it won't be possible to release a print by Calleja for 500 euro's or a Haroshi sculpture for 1500..

On all of this stuff, we’d really love any suggestions from you on how we can do things better. As I said, we’ve learnt a lot from this forum over the years — from our first release till now. And I wanted to come here to reply, explain the challenges and the thinking, as well as hopefully communicate that we don’t come to any of this with bad intentions but we're sorry for all the frustration.

We appreciate the clarification 👍

Whichever way you turn, you can't please everyone.

What grips me, if theres a piece coming up I really like and I have the funds available, there's no possibility of buying due to presales and VIPs.

I perfectly understand why you need to do this... I can't see a way through.. 😭

I will start off and say I like what Avant is building, I only buy a little through them but it has been a good experience. Over time I want to find more up and coming guys to buy originals and maybe Avant IG or discord or whatever may help this.

There is no easy solution to supply and demand; that said communication between buyers and sellers (auction house) can help. I think Avant does a good job with buyers getting direct contact with sales reps. Also, the product is very good. Maybe it is expensive but if they mostly sell out then clearly there is demand at these prices even if some people don’t like them. Also, just build a proper secondary trading platform on your own site for people that change their minds or a piece of art becomes so valuable that the ownership should transfer etc. The seller will worry they could be blacklisted but if done on the right way (not a week after getting it) it should be beneficial to all. Charge reasonable/lowish fees and this could be a winner.

Avant are in business building mode and customer acquisition stage so talking to 300 people makes a lot of sense to broaden relationships and the buyer database, bring new people into the market etc. The potential buyer universe is clearly massive and this forum is just a tiny portion of it. I don’t think I see much Asian representation here whereas there is lots on the Avant Discord for example.

In terms of how could make it better? Best customers will get a first look, that is life, people will moan but that is the way the world works. So set a fixed proportion to that. You could set up a customer profiling solution where customers input their current and desired holdings by artist / style etc and then do some sort of matching magic to figure out who would be “good” buyers for certain artists and pre sale some to this. This would also give Avant info on artist popularity etc. and future print production targets. And the remaining after these allocations I would do an “actual” random lottery rather than who’s bot can get through the checkout quickest.

[charliem]

Think Clarity from the start is best.
If only 5/10 are available then say that from the beginning.
Completely understand having a vip and loyal customer list that’s life.

[artzzzy]

Jun 8, 2021 9:44:37 GMT 1 Christian Avant Arte said:

Hi guys

Really sorry to hear all the pissed off comments on this thread after our release with Javier. I wanted to just explain our thinking and intentions, as well as the challenges of a launch like this — we’re still learning and have learnt so much from this forum (including our very first release when the packaging caused loads of issues and you helped us with a solution) so we’re really open to ideas on how to handle a release like this in the best way.

As you know, there are way more collectors trying to get hold of Javier’s work than there are pieces available and some of those people want to buy a piece so they can resell it quickly and make a profit. We as Avant Arte and the artist always want their work to get to people who want to enjoy it and for them not to pay over the odds buying it on the secondary market on day 2. If lots of pieces come up on auction sites quickly, it can also really impact their overall market, especially when prices are going up quickly like with Javier. If we released every print on a first come basis with no calls, the risk is that lots of them end up on eBay — we saw someone on this forum offering to take people’s money for a piece before it was even allocated for example — and so we try to minimise the risk of this happening by selling to loyal clients we know already won’t resell like that and also having calls to understand a bit more about the collectors we don’t know who we allocated some of the pieces for. We did 300 calls, which was a lot of work for the team, because we wanted a decent number of people who were new to be in with a chance of getting a Javier piece. Maybe this was the wrong approach, and would love any ideas on how to manage it better, but it didn’t come with bad intentions or any lack of thought. I think we could do a much better job of managing people’s expectations up front and communicating in a good way afterwards.

On pricing, as you guys know we care a lot about quality and wanna do the artist his/hers best edition that they have ever done. And we are working with bigger and bigger artist, and also artist that we have worked with from the beginning are getting bigger and bigger and prices are starting to rise. So yes back in the day we did prints with Matsu for 700 euro's or with Michael Kagan and even works on paper with Robert Nava for 900. We like to build up long term relationships with these artist and it is just not realistic to still sell those same artist for the same prices (remember artist also have a huge influence in deciding the pricing). And we are still working with artist that are less hyped or known, last month we did Makiko Kudo print for 400 for example. But fair and good feedback that you guys still wanna see artist and their prints around this price point, this is something we will work on. But hope you guys understand that it won't be possible to release a print by Calleja for 500 euro's or a Haroshi sculpture for 1500..

On all of this stuff, we’d really love any suggestions from you on how we can do things better. As I said, we’ve learnt a lot from this forum over the years — from our first release till now. And I wanted to come here to reply, explain the challenges and the thinking, as well as hopefully communicate that we don’t come to any of this with bad intentions but we're sorry for all the frustration.

Some suggestions:

- Be nice to your clients (and potential future clients).
Many people who contacted you for Calleja and Haroshi didn’t even get an answer to their emails. A simple email thanking them for their interest and apologizing for not being to accomodate their request this time would have been nice.

When I started collecting, my requests got ignored by many galleries. Some others were nice enough to send me an answer explaining why they can’t help me get that specific piece I wanted etc
Over the years I stopped contacting the “rude” galleries who ignored me and stuck to the ones who were more professional and treated me with respect as a client even when they didn’t have something to sell me.

- Try to be more inclusive. Some collectors are not rich or VIP’s but they still want to have something from Avant Arte. Every now and then do some open editions, posters, timed editions, small sculptures in less restricted numbers to include these people who will eventually grow to be loyal clients.

- Be straightforward and transparent with your clients. Many people mentioned that the hand-finished Calleja print ls were not actually finished by him but by other people in his studio.
Whatever it is there should be nothing to hide especially when people are paying €9K for a print.

[theclash]

Jun 8, 2021 11:05:36 GMT 1 artzzzy said:

Jun 8, 2021 9:44:37 GMT 1 Christian Avant Arte said:

Hi guys

Really sorry to hear all the pissed off comments on this thread after our release with Javier. I wanted to just explain our thinking and intentions, as well as the challenges of a launch like this — we’re still learning and have learnt so much from this forum (including our very first release when the packaging caused loads of issues and you helped us with a solution) so we’re really open to ideas on how to handle a release like this in the best way.

As you know, there are way more collectors trying to get hold of Javier’s work than there are pieces available and some of those people want to buy a piece so they can resell it quickly and make a profit. We as Avant Arte and the artist always want their work to get to people who want to enjoy it and for them not to pay over the odds buying it on the secondary market on day 2. If lots of pieces come up on auction sites quickly, it can also really impact their overall market, especially when prices are going up quickly like with Javier. If we released every print on a first come basis with no calls, the risk is that lots of them end up on eBay — we saw someone on this forum offering to take people’s money for a piece before it was even allocated for example — and so we try to minimise the risk of this happening by selling to loyal clients we know already won’t resell like that and also having calls to understand a bit more about the collectors we don’t know who we allocated some of the pieces for. We did 300 calls, which was a lot of work for the team, because we wanted a decent number of people who were new to be in with a chance of getting a Javier piece. Maybe this was the wrong approach, and would love any ideas on how to manage it better, but it didn’t come with bad intentions or any lack of thought. I think we could do a much better job of managing people’s expectations up front and communicating in a good way afterwards.

On pricing, as you guys know we care a lot about quality and wanna do the artist his/hers best edition that they have ever done. And we are working with bigger and bigger artist, and also artist that we have worked with from the beginning are getting bigger and bigger and prices are starting to rise. So yes back in the day we did prints with Matsu for 700 euro's or with Michael Kagan and even works on paper with Robert Nava for 900. We like to build up long term relationships with these artist and it is just not realistic to still sell those same artist for the same prices (remember artist also have a huge influence in deciding the pricing). And we are still working with artist that are less hyped or known, last month we did Makiko Kudo print for 400 for example. But fair and good feedback that you guys still wanna see artist and their prints around this price point, this is something we will work on. But hope you guys understand that it won't be possible to release a print by Calleja for 500 euro's or a Haroshi sculpture for 1500..

On all of this stuff, we’d really love any suggestions from you on how we can do things better. As I said, we’ve learnt a lot from this forum over the years — from our first release till now. And I wanted to come here to reply, explain the challenges and the thinking, as well as hopefully communicate that we don’t come to any of this with bad intentions but we're sorry for all the frustration.

Some suggestions:

- Be nice to your clients (and potential future clients).
Many people who contacted you for Calleja and Haroshi didn’t even get an answer to their emails. A simple email thanking them for their interest and apologizing for not being to accomodate their request this time would have been nice.

When I started collecting, my requests got ignored by many galleries. Some others were nice enough to send me an answer explaining why they can’t help me get that specific piece I wanted etc
Over the years I stopped contacting the “rude” galleries who ignored me and stuck to the ones who were more professional and treated me with respect as a client even when they didn’t have something to sell me.

- Try to be more inclusive. Some collectors are not rich or VIP’s but they still want to have something from Avant Arte. Every now and then do some open editions, posters, timed editions, small sculptures in less restricted numbers to include these people who will eventually grow to be loyal clients.

- Be straightforward and transparent with your clients. Many people mentioned that the hand-finished Calleja print ls were not actually finished by him but by other people in his studio.
Whatever it is there should be nothing to hide especially when people are paying €9K for a print.

I know what you mean, had a nice chat with an artist recently who doesn’t sell directly. Contact the gallery and “crickets” as they say. Pretty annoying as am actually trying to buy a work.

[6harrer9]

Jun 7, 2021 14:19:07 GMT 1 Ravnur 2020 said:

Jun 7, 2021 12:16:58 GMT 1 6harrer9 said:

hey guys!

Just saw that Avant Arte is releasing a print collaboration with Aya Takano, what are your thoughts on this, are you going to buy this print or not!

shop.avantarte.com/products/we-human-race-made-this-structure

Just wanted to discuss about the artist here, no harm is the intend

cheers!

You say you want to discuss the artist, but only ask if we are going to buy it. So what do you think about the artist and their work?

Cheers

I really like aya Takano's art, I was not able to get the last print release due to half of them going to resellers with I hate, avant art has a great collection of people ( vips if you wish to call them like that ), I know chances are slim to buy an Avant Arte release but not a lot of them end up on eBay wich I like, and also yes, I wanted to know who is buying and the general interest for this piece from the UAA Community.

[Ildefonso 77]

Jun 8, 2021 14:27:04 GMT 1 6harrer9 said:

Jun 7, 2021 14:19:07 GMT 1 Ravnur 2020 said:

You say you want to discuss the artist, but only ask if we are going to buy it. So what do you think about the artist and their work?

Cheers

I really like aya Takano's art, I was not able to get the last print release due to half of them going to resellers with I hate, avant art has a great collection of people ( vips if you wish to call them like that ), I know chances are slim to buy an Avant Arte release but not a lot of them end up on eBay wich I like, and also yes, I wanted to know who is buying and the general interest for this piece from the UAA Community.

I hope you get this piece. Better a passionate collector than a reseller.

[6harrer9]

Jun 8, 2021 14:35:21 GMT 1 Ildefonso 77 said:

Jun 8, 2021 14:27:04 GMT 1 6harrer9 said:

I really like aya Takano's art, I was not able to get the last print release due to half of them going to resellers with I hate, avant art has a great collection of people ( vips if you wish to call them like that ), I know chances are slim to buy an Avant Arte release but not a lot of them end up on eBay wich I like, and also yes, I wanted to know who is buying and the general interest for this piece from the UAA Community.

I hope you get this piece. Better a passionate collector than a reseller.

yeah! no funds yet, stupid bitcoin went down, and so did my coins, if they didn't I would have cashed out and got the print... its a sad day