New Ben Eine print for CALM

[cizza19]

Posted on his insta... does anyone find this a bit.... whats the word... uncomfortable, considering his past (and alleged present)

http://instagr.am/p/CMPAt9FsMgO

[Hubble Bubble]

I find it fine. If anything to me it references his battle with drug addiction. I hope he's on top of that and clean.

[Runit]

Mar 10, 2021 11:48:45 GMT 1 Hubble Bubble said:

I find it fine. If anything to me it references his battle with drug addiction. I hope he's on top of that and clean.

I think the OP is referring to assaulting his partner in public.

[Happy Shopper]

Mar 10, 2021 11:53:38 GMT 1 Runit said:

Mar 10, 2021 11:48:45 GMT 1 Hubble Bubble said:

I find it fine. If anything to me it references his battle with drug addiction. I hope he's on top of that and clean.

I think the OP is referring to assaulting his partner in public.

Could that not also be linked to his drink and drugs problem that he's trying to sort?

[Runit]

You can link it to both.
Either way.

I like the fact that all proceeds are going to the charity.

[Runit]

Mar 10, 2021 12:06:45 GMT 1 thevlad said:

Mar 10, 2021 12:05:10 GMT 1 Runit said:

You can link it to both.
Either way.

I like the fact that all proceeds are going to the charity.

Certainly an unfortunate turn of phrase!

I sure it was a considered choice.

[Runit]

Mar 10, 2021 12:09:21 GMT 1 thevlad said:

Mar 10, 2021 12:08:28 GMT 1 Runit said:

I sure it was a considered choice.

Considered yes, thought through no. 

100 percent.

[Hubble Bubble]

Mar 10, 2021 11:53:38 GMT 1 Runit said:

Mar 10, 2021 11:48:45 GMT 1 Hubble Bubble said:

I find it fine. If anything to me it references his battle with drug addiction. I hope he's on top of that and clean.

I think the OP is referring to assaulting his partner in public.

I understand what the OP is referring to.  I feel it requires more of a stretch to be associated with that incident rather than his battle with drug addiction.   However, I guess it can be associated with whatever you want it to be associated with.

[Runit]

Mar 10, 2021 12:16:33 GMT 1 Hubble Bubble said:

Mar 10, 2021 11:53:38 GMT 1 Runit said:

I think the OP is referring to assaulting his partner in public.

I understand what the OP is referring to.  I feel it requires more of a stretch to be associated with that incident rather than his battle with drug addiction.   However, I guess it can be associated with whatever you want it to be associated with.

I don’t remotely see this as a stretch.
You don’t get to brush physical abuse against women under the carpet (“that incident”).

I believe the prints association is intended to reference his ongoing struggle with drug abuse and by extension his mental health (or vice versa) however it’s clearly an own goal..

[Hubble Bubble]

Mar 10, 2021 12:25:07 GMT 1 Runit said:

Mar 10, 2021 12:16:33 GMT 1 Hubble Bubble said:

I understand what the OP is referring to.  I feel it requires more of a stretch to be associated with that incident rather than his battle with drug addiction.   However, I guess it can be associated with whatever you want it to be associated with.

I don’t remotely see this as a stretch.
You don’t get to brush physical abuse against women under the carpet (“that incident”).

I believe the prints association is intended to reference his ongoing struggle with drug abuse and by extension his mental health (or vice versa) however it’s clearly an own goal..

I wasn't trying to brush it under the carpet.  In fact, by acknowledging it and entering into this debate, I'm doing quite the opposite.  I simply used 'that incident' to refer to your description of the assault without repeating the description of it, much in the same way as I use the word 'his' instead of naming 'Ben Eine'. 

I repeat my assertion though that the words 'once I ran to you now I run from you' can, in my view, more logically be associated with a battle against heroin addiction than an incident of physically assaulting one's female partner.   

That is my only point.  The opprobrium against Eine for this singularly distasteful and cowardly act of violence has been well documented and returns frequently here.  I agree with the sentiments entirely.  I don't however, believe this piece of art refers to that incident in the mind of the artist. 

[Hubble Bubble]

Mar 10, 2021 12:28:15 GMT 1 thevlad said:

Mar 10, 2021 12:25:07 GMT 1 Runit said:

I don’t remotely see this as a stretch.
You don’t get to brush physical abuse against women under the carpet (“that incident”).

I believe the prints association is intended to reference his ongoing struggle with drug abuse and by extension his mental health (or vice versa) however it’s clearly an own goal..

There is an established correlation between the number of EINE artworks owned and the degree to which a blind eye can be turned. 

If that was aimed at me, I find it deeply offensive and unwarranted.

[Hubble Bubble]

Singular in this instance refers to the conspicuous and unique distastefulness of the act, not the frequency of how many times the act might have occurred. Its use doesn't in any way suggest I was asserting it was a one off occurrence. I have no idea if it was or wasn't.

[Hubble Bubble]

Mar 10, 2021 12:45:14 GMT 1 thevlad said:

Mar 10, 2021 12:42:31 GMT 1 Hubble Bubble said:

If that was aimed at me, I find it deeply offensive and unwarranted.

Not aimed at you or any singular individual in particular. 

It's a sociological observation of recorded behaviour. 

There is a clear correlation on display. 

No problem then.  Thanks for explaining.

[Hubble Bubble]

Mar 10, 2021 12:49:09 GMT 1 thevlad said:

Mar 10, 2021 12:42:31 GMT 1 Hubble Bubble said:

If that was aimed at me, I find it deeply offensive and unwarranted.

Haha... that is so true.

What started on a chat about the meaning of an artwork has become a battle of sematics. 

However, I think we can all agree that violence against women is despicable, cowardly and deserves to be punished and criticised wherever it occurs.

Peace to all.

[Daylight Robber]

Mar 10, 2021 12:25:07 GMT 1 Runit said:

Mar 10, 2021 12:16:33 GMT 1 Hubble Bubble said:

I understand what the OP is referring to.  I feel it requires more of a stretch to be associated with that incident rather than his battle with drug addiction.   However, I guess it can be associated with whatever you want it to be associated with.

I don’t remotely see this as a stretch.
You don’t get to brush physical abuse against women under the carpet (“that incident”).

I believe the prints association is intended to reference his ongoing struggle with drug abuse and by extension his mental health (or vice versa) however it’s clearly an own goal..

Going to court, pleading guilty, being handed a sentence and serving it, is a long way from anyone brushing it under the carpet. He did wrong. He's paid his debt to society. Not many know how he's paid it back on a personal level. From what I know he's fighting plenty of demons and trying to turn his life around. Not that he's arsed but I don't think it does anyone any favours continuing to castigate him. He already has to live with what he's done. 

[iamzero]

I’m glad you said most famous... I still prefer the Northern Soul classic version.

[Runit]

Mar 10, 2021 12:38:39 GMT 1 Hubble Bubble said:

Mar 10, 2021 12:25:07 GMT 1 Runit said:

I don’t remotely see this as a stretch.
You don’t get to brush physical abuse against women under the carpet (“that incident”).

I believe the prints association is intended to reference his ongoing struggle with drug abuse and by extension his mental health (or vice versa) however it’s clearly an own goal..

I wasn't trying to brush it under the carpet.  In fact, by acknowledging it and entering into this debate, I'm doing quite the opposite.  I simply used 'that incident' to refer to your description of the assault without repeating the description of it, much in the same way as I use the word 'his' instead of naming 'Ben Eine'. 

I repeat my assertion though that the words 'once I ran to you now I run from you' can, in my view, more logically be associated with a battle against heroin addiction than an incident of physically assaulting one's female partner.   

That is my only point.  The opprobrium against Eine for this singularly distasteful and cowardly act of violence has been well documented and returns frequently here.  I agree with the sentiments entirely.  I don't however, believe this piece of art refers to that incident in the mind of the artist. 

To be clear, I wasn't accusing you personally of attempting to brush the incident under the carpet so if my initial post was poorly written then please accept my apology (I mean this sincerely). It seems we're talking about two different things.

You're referring to "the mind of the artist". Clearly Eine won't want to consciously revisit his assault so I feel you're stating the obvious. 

I am referring to what collectors may well be thinking when they read this as unfortunate parallels can easily be drawn between:

1. The incident in question

2. Struggles with his ongoing mental health and drug addiction. 

You can place these in any order you prefer but that is my take on it.

[iamzero]

It’s a Giclee?

[Hubble Bubble]

Mar 10, 2021 12:59:53 GMT 1 Runit said:

Mar 10, 2021 12:38:39 GMT 1 Hubble Bubble said:

I wasn't trying to brush it under the carpet.  In fact, by acknowledging it and entering into this debate, I'm doing quite the opposite.  I simply used 'that incident' to refer to your description of the assault without repeating the description of it, much in the same way as I use the word 'his' instead of naming 'Ben Eine'. 

I repeat my assertion though that the words 'once I ran to you now I run from you' can, in my view, more logically be associated with a battle against heroin addiction than an incident of physically assaulting one's female partner.   

That is my only point.  The opprobrium against Eine for this singularly distasteful and cowardly act of violence has been well documented and returns frequently here.  I agree with the sentiments entirely.  I don't however, believe this piece of art refers to that incident in the mind of the artist. 

To be clear, I wasn't accusing you personally of attempting to brush the incident under the carpet so if my initial post was poorly written then please accept my apology (I mean this sincerely). It seems we're talking about two different things.

You're referring to "the mind of the artist". Clearly Eine won't want to consciously revisit his assault so I feel you're stating the obvious. 

I am referring to what collectors may well be thinking when they read this as unfortunate parallels can easily be drawn between:

1. The incident in question

2. Struggles with his ongoing mental health and drug addiction. 

You can place these in any order you prefer but that is my take on it.

I too am very sorry in that case, I had read it that you felt I was brushing the incident under the carpet.  I agree with all you points.  Thanks for clarifying.

[cizza19]

Mar 10, 2021 12:38:39 GMT 1 Hubble Bubble said:

Mar 10, 2021 12:25:07 GMT 1 Runit said:

I don’t remotely see this as a stretch.
You don’t get to brush physical abuse against women under the carpet (“that incident”).

I believe the prints association is intended to reference his ongoing struggle with drug abuse and by extension his mental health (or vice versa) however it’s clearly an own goal..

I wasn't trying to brush it under the carpet.  In fact, by acknowledging it and entering into this debate, I'm doing quite the opposite.  I simply used 'that incident' to refer to your description of the assault without repeating the description of it, much in the same way as I use the word 'his' instead of naming 'Ben Eine'. 

I repeat my assertion though that the words 'once I ran to you now I run from you' can, in my view, more logically be associated with a battle against heroin addiction than an incident of physically assaulting one's female partner.   

That is my only point.  The opprobrium against Eine for this singularly distasteful and cowardly act of violence has been well documented and returns frequently here.  I agree with the sentiments entirely.  I don't however, believe this piece of art refers to that incident in the mind of the artist. 

Oh I am sure the artist isn't referring to that incident when creating this and pretty positive like others it will be in relation to his drug issues (or he just bloody loves the song) however when I saw it the first thing I thought of was his conviction for domestic abuse and how uncomfortable it comes across

I don't think one incident should define someone and I have some Ben Eine pieces, but certainly this would not be one I would feel comfortable hanging on my walls

[brushed999]

Look, as long as you mention mental health you’re in the clear, that trumps everything… you’ll have to find a new angle.

So let’s hear no more about this subject!