Sam Durant 🇺🇸 Multimedia Artist • End White Supremacy

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Feb 18, 2021 17:49:58 GMT 1 Onket said:

Feb 18, 2021 17:47:53 GMT 1 put the kettle on said:

First of all you would need to establish where in society that you know of that you see white supremacy. give me an example if you can?

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Are you for real?!

I presume you're anti #BLM too.

Not a racist, though. Oh no.

Yes Im for real, When have you seen white supremacy with your own eyes, you passion for it must have given you many examples that you have seen.

I do not not support the organization BLM, You are right.

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Feb 18, 2021 18:58:07 GMT 1 shrinetopoundland said:

Think this looks pretty much like a white suprematist rally to me sorry to pizz on anyone’s fire 

This is the african union. SEE how low you stoop to make your case.

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Feb 18, 2021 18:58:06 GMT 1 gmidd said:

Feb 18, 2021 18:39:50 GMT 1 put the kettle on said:

sebastiandusseldorf Explain in a bit more detail, cant really make sense of what you mean in all respect.

Onket, you like that word racist , lets here one of your examples as I believe you haven't given one when asked. you just seem to keep using your favorite word. 

I'll help you if you like, this is how it works, you look at something objectively, then you use your logic and reason to form argument for your case and then if you believe in it stand by it until further light or wisdom or data come about that may possibly change your mind. You listening at the back there!

I like how you chose to ignore the examples I gave above. There's plenty of white supremacy out there if you're paying attention. Hell, the small town in Ohio I grew up in is full of racists which is why I no longer keep in touch with a lot of the people I grew up with.

No one saying that racism doesn't exist, from white to black,or black to white or any other colour you like to mention.  This is a different argument don't conflate the two, otherwise you get in to a whole world of shit. 

[artylang]

cant wait for aoc to take all your shit when she runnin america

[Sebastian Dusseldorf]

Guys, you realize it's optional to post here, right?
Nobody forcing you too show the world how limited your horizon is!
This topic is about White Supremacy. You racists throwing in Communism and abolishing prisons is just so OT...
If your capability of forming an argument is limited to quoting subsections of Donald Trump tweets, you might just want to keep it to yourself.

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Feb 18, 2021 17:49:14 GMT 1 gmidd said:

Feb 18, 2021 17:07:46 GMT 1 put the kettle on said:

Give an Example of white Supremacy that you see in society that you live in? or elsewhere in a western society if you like.

There have been plenty of white supremacist groups that have come out of the woodwork since Trump became president. The Proud Boys for one: www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys. And the KKK is still a thing: www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/us/kkk-harry-rogers-guilty.html. If you have a hard time finding examples of white supremacy in the US, you're not paying attention. www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2017-08-14/the-kkk-is-still-based-in-22-states-in-the-us-in-2017

This is a small example of knuckle dragging folk ,The fact is the kkk and the like are in decline in membership based on there ignorant uneducated views that become evident as we move through the decades.  

[gmidd]

Feb 18, 2021 19:16:21 GMT 1 put the kettle on said:

Feb 18, 2021 18:58:06 GMT 1 gmidd said:

I like how you chose to ignore the examples I gave above. There's plenty of white supremacy out there if you're paying attention. Hell, the small town in Ohio I grew up in is full of racists which is why I no longer keep in touch with a lot of the people I grew up with.

No one saying that racism doesn't exist, from white to black,or black to white or any other colour you like to mention.  This is a different argument don't conflate the two, otherwise you get in to a whole world of shit. 

This is the last I'm going to post about this because it's very obvious where you're coming from and that no one is going to change your mind. But, back to my examples, you're saying that the KKK and the Proud Boys are not white supremacy groups? And that just because you don't personally see "white supremacy" on a daily basis that it doesn't exist? I can tell by the way you spelled "colour" that you're not from the US. If you had seen everything that's been going on here the past 4 years, there would be absolutely no doubt in your mind that white supremacy is alive and well.

And, I'm not saying that all racists are white supremacists—I don't condone either by the way—but let's be honest, the reason most racists discriminate against another race is because they feel that they are superior in some way. So, to say that white supremacy doesn't exist is just absolutely false.

[gmidd]

Feb 18, 2021 19:33:02 GMT 1 put the kettle on said:

Feb 18, 2021 17:49:14 GMT 1 gmidd said:

There have been plenty of white supremacist groups that have come out of the woodwork since Trump became president. The Proud Boys for one: www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys. And the KKK is still a thing: www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/us/kkk-harry-rogers-guilty.html. If you have a hard time finding examples of white supremacy in the US, you're not paying attention. www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2017-08-14/the-kkk-is-still-based-in-22-states-in-the-us-in-2017

This is a small example of knuckle dragging folk ,The fact is the kkk and the like are in decline in membership based on there ignorant uneducated views that become evident as we move through the decades.  

OK, just one more... Did you even read that article on the KKK? Yes, it was from 2017 but it said that, and I quote, "More than half of the KKK groups operating in the U.S. formed in the last three years". Does that sound like an organization in decline? And the Proud Boys were formed 4 years ago! Trump gave all these people a green light to be the terrible people they all wanted to be so now the racism and white supremacy here is worse than I have ever seen and I'm almost 40. 

[gmidd]

Feb 18, 2021 19:56:18 GMT 1 shrinetopoundland said:

Feb 18, 2021 19:47:31 GMT 1 gmidd said:

OK, just one more... Did you even read that article on the KKK? Yes, it was from 2017 but it said that, and I quote, "More than half of the KKK groups operating in the U.S. formed in the last three years". Does that sound like an organization in decline? Trump gave all these people a green light to be the terrible people they all wanted to be so now the racism and white supremacy here is worse than I have ever seen and I'm almost 40. 

Are the WASP society still functioning ,always imagined they had a hand in deciding who ran the us ,genuine question.

You don't hear that acronym much anymore, but if you look at the bulk of people in charge in this country, it's hard to argue that they don't still have a lot of influence. www.statista.com/chart/18905/us-congress-by-race-ethnicity/ This is the most ethnically diverse Congress in US history by the way and the vast majority are still old white men.

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Feb 18, 2021 19:47:31 GMT 1 gmidd said:

Feb 18, 2021 19:33:02 GMT 1 put the kettle on said:

This is a small example of knuckle dragging folk ,The fact is the kkk and the like are in decline in membership based on there ignorant uneducated views that become evident as we move through the decades.  

OK, just one more... Did you even read that article on the KKK? Yes, it was from 2017 but it said that, and I quote, "More than half of the KKK groups operating in the U.S. formed in the last three years". Does that sound like an organization in decline? Trump gave all these people a green light to be the terrible people they all wanted to be so now the racism and white supremacy here is worse than I have ever seen and I'm almost 40. 

On a quick google search I found other articles that are all saying that they are still present in the us but that there membership is in decline, They clearly are a very small minority not that that alone makes it right but you need to have perspective of the problem. Its not like the usa, and in my opinion a great country but possibly like here in the uk in decline for now, has kkk members all over the place looking to lynch people. Don't go down this road of end white supremacy argument it will probably, highly likely just make you neurotic. 

[Daylight Robber]

Feb 18, 2021 17:22:49 GMT 1 mattmma22 said:

Feb 18, 2021 17:09:51 GMT 1 god’s ultimate noise said:

There is no form of protest against racism that is acceptable to racists.

again, really really easy 2 throw that tag around, really really REALLY hard 2 prove it

Unfortunately, it tends to prove itself.

In what world is the calling out of racism ever more offensive than racism itself?

[irl1]

Feb 18, 2021 14:31:57 GMT 1 jesustheba said:

Now this I would buy

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Feb 18, 2021 20:14:03 GMT 1 Daylight Robber said:

Feb 18, 2021 17:22:49 GMT 1 mattmma22 said:

again, really really easy 2 throw that tag around, really really REALLY hard 2 prove it

Unfortunately, it tends to prove itself.

In what world is the calling out of racism ever more offensive than racism itself?

When you throw the word racism around willy nilly at people you have never met or spoken too at some length, you possibly dilute its meaning to express your opinion about someone or something and you are therefore not taken very seriously in you argument about the subject of, End white supremacy, which I do not think exist or in your case racism.  

[coller]

Feb 18, 2021 20:37:50 GMT 1 put the kettle on said:

 the subject of, End white supremacy, which I do not think exist  

You don't think this exists?

[Daylight Robber]

Feb 18, 2021 20:37:50 GMT 1 put the kettle on said:

Feb 18, 2021 20:14:03 GMT 1 Daylight Robber said:

Unfortunately, it tends to prove itself.

In what world is the calling out of racism ever more offensive than racism itself?

When you throw the word racism around willy nilly at people you have never met or spoken too at some length, you possibly dilute its meaning to express your opinion about someone or something and you are therefore not taken very seriously in you argument about the subject of, End white supremacy, which I do not think exist or in your case racism.  

You don't need to know people, or speak to them at length to see that there is ignorance. When people choose to counter stand against those who campaign against oppression, rather than remaining quiet (let alone showing sympathy), they are blatantly ignorant of their privilege, which quite obviously proves a point.

For the record, I have called no one a racist.

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Feb 18, 2021 20:44:42 GMT 1 coller said:

Feb 18, 2021 20:37:50 GMT 1 put the kettle on said:

 the subject of, End white supremacy, which I do not think exist  

You don't think this exists?

Black supremacy or black supremacism is a racial supremacist belief which maintains that black people are superior to people of other races. The term has been used by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), an American civil rights advocacy group, to describe several fringe religious groups in the United States.


You can find many exstream groups all over the world. I just looked up the above, it exists but you are trying to say its everywhere in white society, it not. This is my final point and I suggest you read my widely, is how prevalent it is and from my understanding it is tiny, I've travelled far and wide and never seen it and I've been to some crazy places. Its like your looking for a needle in a pitch black dark room.

I live in the uk and and as a whole are society is pretty tolerant of one another.

[tab1]

[WOOF]

Feb 18, 2021 20:37:50 GMT 1 put the kettle on said:

Feb 18, 2021 20:14:03 GMT 1 Daylight Robber said:

Unfortunately, it tends to prove itself.

In what world is the calling out of racism ever more offensive than racism itself?

When you throw the word racism around willy nilly at people you have never met or spoken too at some length, you possibly dilute its meaning to express your opinion about someone or something and you are therefore not taken very seriously in you argument about the subject of, End white supremacy, which I do not think exist or in your case racism.  

It walks like a duck, and talks like a duck.

Stop acting so much like a duck if you’re concerned people will accuse you of being one.

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Feb 18, 2021 21:08:39 GMT 1 Daylight Robber said:

Feb 18, 2021 20:37:50 GMT 1 put the kettle on said:

When you throw the word racism around willy nilly at people you have never met or spoken too at some length, you possibly dilute its meaning to express your opinion about someone or something and you are therefore not taken very seriously in you argument about the subject of, End white supremacy, which I do not think exist or in your case racism.  

You don't need to know people, or speak to them at length to see that there is ignorance. When people choose to counter stand against those who campaign against oppression, rather than remaining quiet (let alone showing sympathy), they are blatantly ignorant of their privilege, which quite obviously proves a point.

For the record, I have called no one a racist.

There is always ignorance and the older you get the more you realize the less you know. If you are campaigning and for good reason, power to the people but what we have seen hasn't been like the civil rights movement where these people where fighting for equality and won it and rightly so, and they did it without social media too. you can not compare what has happened in america in the last year and here to a much lesser degree the same thing.it aint!

[gmidd]

Feb 18, 2021 21:30:27 GMT 1 put the kettle on said:

Feb 18, 2021 21:08:39 GMT 1 Daylight Robber said:

You don't need to know people, or speak to them at length to see that there is ignorance. When people choose to counter stand against those who campaign against oppression, rather than remaining quiet (let alone showing sympathy), they are blatantly ignorant of their privilege, which quite obviously proves a point.

For the record, I have called no one a racist.

There is always ignorance and the older you get the more you realize the less you know. If you are campaigning and for good reason, power to the people but what we have seen hasn't been like the civil rights movement where these people where fighting for equality and won it and rightly so, and they did it without social media too. you can not compare what has happened in america in the last year and here to a much lesser degree the same thing.it aint!

You don't think black people in America have a "good reason" to be fighting for their equality? As an American I can assure you that they do. Racism and white supremacy are alive and well here! Not sure why you refuse to believe that.

[tab1]

Feb 18, 2021 22:25:59 GMT 1 @plurker said:

Feb 18, 2021 21:15:16 GMT 1 put the kettle on said:

Black supremacy or black supremacism is a racial supremacist belief which maintains that black people are superior to people of other races. The term has been used by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), an American civil rights advocacy group, to describe several fringe religious groups in the United States.


You can find many exstream groups all over the world. I just looked up the above, it exists but you are trying to say its everywhere in white society, it not. This is my final point and I suggest you read my widely, is how prevalent it is and from my understanding it is tiny, I've travelled far and wide and never seen it and I've been to some crazy places. Its like your looking for a needle in a pitch black dark room.

I live in the uk and and as a whole are society is pretty tolerant of one another.

Surely now you're just trolling.

The inherent structural racism within major UK organisations; police, military, university, education, prison system has been well documented and proven time and again.

Obviously missed the all the media news recently
www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-officers-racist-hampshire-sacked-b1784351.html%3famp

[Coach]

I’ve been losing faith in this site recently, and not visiting or posting much.
If anything, this rather bizarre thread has restored a little faith.
Not because of a few misguided posts. But rather because of the indignation shared by most at those posts.
Anyone who thinks that inequality and bigotry no longer exist are mistaken. It’s good to see that the majority on here still think that.
Now, back to that courtesy thing .....

[greeceboy]

as a greek I can see one hand how message start movements.  For example the berlin wall.  Sam Durant is helpful in mine opinon. 

[greeceboy]

but I might be mad if I see art that says 'end greek supremace' or people protest 'greek life matter'. But im just one man with my opinion

[House of Arts]

Feb 18, 2021 21:27:43 GMT 1 WOOF said:

Feb 18, 2021 20:37:50 GMT 1 put the kettle on said:

When you throw the word racism around willy nilly at people you have never met or spoken too at some length, you possibly dilute its meaning to express your opinion about someone or something and you are therefore not taken very seriously in you argument about the subject of, End white supremacy, which I do not think exist or in your case racism.  

It walks like a duck, and talks like a duck.

Stop acting so much like a duck if you’re concerned people will accuse you of being one.

"You are a racist!"

"No I'm not because..."

"Stop trying to explain why you are not a racist it makes you look racist!"

Sincerely, leftists 2021

[House of Arts]

Feb 18, 2021 19:36:20 GMT 1 god’s ultimate noise said:

Feb 18, 2021 0:34:17 GMT 1 House of Arts said:

I mean, if feeling sorry for people that buy into empty virtue signaling while under the firm believe they are doing anything to support a cause is 'ratteling', consider me rattled.

Next up my new print 'I am against people being too poor', taking orders via PM now, just €500!

Does anyone remember when 'virtue signalling' meant just being a reasonable human being, when it wasn't just a piss-poor buzzword used by imbeciles who simply can't - or refuse to - understand basic common decency?

Remember when you could just have thoughts and opinions about stuff and discuss them in an open forum without being called all the -isms in the world by imbeciles that are so deep into ideologies they are blatantly consumed by hatred for everyone that thinks differently?

[WOOF]

Feb 19, 2021 2:45:07 GMT 1 House of Arts said:

Feb 18, 2021 21:27:43 GMT 1 WOOF said:

It walks like a duck, and talks like a duck.

Stop acting so much like a duck if you’re concerned people will accuse you of being one.

"You are a racist!"

"No I'm not because..."

"Stop trying to explain why you are not a racist it makes you look racist!"

Sincerely, leftists 2021

you probably think you sound a lot smarter than you actually do...

[House of Arts]

Feb 19, 2021 2:51:20 GMT 1 WOOF said:

Feb 19, 2021 2:45:07 GMT 1 House of Arts said:

"You are a racist!"

"No I'm not because..."

"Stop trying to explain why you are not a racist it makes you look racist!"

Sincerely, leftists 2021

you probably think you sound a lot smarter than you actually do...

I truly hope that people like you arrive at a time in your lives where you are happy again and don't feel the need to hate and smear people with a different political perspective.

[WOOF]

Feb 19, 2021 2:58:16 GMT 1 House of Arts said:

Feb 19, 2021 2:51:20 GMT 1 WOOF said:

you probably think you sound a lot smarter than you actually do...

I truly hope that people like you arrive at a time in your lives where you are happy again and don't feel the need to hate and smear people with a different political perspective.

When a person's "political perspective" is fueled by hatred, and categorizes some of my friends and family members as lesser people, they can fuck right off. forever. 

[House of Arts]

Feb 19, 2021 3:11:36 GMT 1 WOOF said:

Feb 19, 2021 2:58:16 GMT 1 House of Arts said:

I truly hope that people like you arrive at a time in your lives where you are happy again and don't feel the need to hate and smear people with a different political perspective.

When a person's "political perspective" is fueled by hatred, and categorizes some of my friends and family members as lesser people, they can fuck right off. forever. 

By your definition you can yourself fuck right off, forever, then. Bravo.