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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Black Apple Art on Dec 23, 2015 19:35:03 GMT 1, The best was his last big interview after his painting sold for $31.7mil and actually called the buyer a moron lol
The best was his last big interview after his painting sold for $31.7mil and actually called the buyer a moron lol
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 19:58:14 GMT 1, a lot of so called culturally important art is garbage anyway.
The museums and other bods only value it's importance based on some shill bid price at auction.
a lot of so called culturally important art is garbage anyway.
The museums and other bods only value it's importance based on some shill bid price at auction.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by andysh on Dec 23, 2015 20:10:19 GMT 1, Very interesting
Very interesting
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by met on Dec 24, 2015 2:34:28 GMT 1, The best was his last big interview after his painting sold for $31.7mil and actually called the buyer a moron lol
For the record, this is unfair and misleading because it isn't something Gerhard Richter said. You made similar references about the artist a couple of times earlier in the year, although I didn't previously challenge these.
[The comments stayed in my mind because your posts are among those by forum members I look out for and read. In particular, I appreciate your militancy regarding:
(i) the accuracy of condition descriptions for works on paper, and the impact that condition has on financial value;
(ii) the limited use of quoting a secondary market price without also describing the condition of the art; and
(iii) the importance of examining works outside of their frames, since appearances can be so deceiving and framing often hides minor or serious condition issues.
The warnings you've repeatedly given are, in my opinion, slowly having an effect. They make people more conscious of purchasing risks, especially framing-related β and this is helping to initiate a desirable culture shift in buyer expectations on the forum (something that has already happened in relation to Pest Control COAs for Banksy prints).]
Your perception of what Richter said seems to be based on a March 2015 piece in The Guardian. It's worth emphasising this article is only a summary in English of a Die Zeit interview conducted with Richter in German. So there's been both translating and paraphrasing involved in the English article. The German text itself would most likely have been edited also, rather than being a faithful word-for-word transcription of the full interview.
In addition, the attempted recap by The Guardian changes the original context to the point where I believe it misrepresents and distorts what Richter actually stated. When reading it, the impression one gets of the artist is sometimes at odds with the general tone of the Die Zeit interview. At least in this respect, the article in The Guardian is a failure. And Richter does not himself use the words "moron" or "foolish".
In case you haven't yet seen the source interview, I do recommend it β using an online German-to-English translating programme if necessary. It's a measured, engaging and refreshingly candid exchange covering Richter's ambivalence about the contemporary art market:
www.zeit.de/2015/10/gerhard-richter-kunst-preise
As a related but separate issue, when considering Richter's viewpoints, it's worth factoring in his background as well. He grew up both during the War and the period of post-War economic hardship. His young adulthood (until his late twenties) was spent in a country with a socialist centrally-planned economy. This shines a different light on his market-related comments than it would if the same comments had been made by an artist raised in the US or Western Europe.
The best was his last big interview after his painting sold for $31.7mil and actually called the buyer a moron lol For the record, this is unfair and misleading because it isn't something Gerhard Richter said. You made similar references about the artist a couple of times earlier in the year, although I didn't previously challenge these. [The comments stayed in my mind because your posts are among those by forum members I look out for and read. In particular, I appreciate your militancy regarding:
(i) the accuracy of condition descriptions for works on paper, and the impact that condition has on financial value;
(ii) the limited use of quoting a secondary market price without also describing the condition of the art; and
(iii) the importance of examining works outside of their frames, since appearances can be so deceiving and framing often hides minor or serious condition issues.
The warnings you've repeatedly given are, in my opinion, slowly having an effect. They make people more conscious of purchasing risks, especially framing-related β and this is helping to initiate a desirable culture shift in buyer expectations on the forum (something that has already happened in relation to Pest Control COAs for Banksy prints).]Your perception of what Richter said seems to be based on a March 2015 piece in The Guardian. It's worth emphasising this article is only a summary in English of a Die Zeit interview conducted with Richter in German. So there's been both translating and paraphrasing involved in the English article. The German text itself would most likely have been edited also, rather than being a faithful word-for-word transcription of the full interview. In addition, the attempted recap by The Guardian changes the original context to the point where I believe it misrepresents and distorts what Richter actually stated. When reading it, the impression one gets of the artist is sometimes at odds with the general tone of the Die Zeit interview. At least in this respect, the article in The Guardian is a failure. And Richter does not himself use the words "moron" or "foolish". In case you haven't yet seen the source interview, I do recommend it β using an online German-to-English translating programme if necessary. It's a measured, engaging and refreshingly candid exchange covering Richter's ambivalence about the contemporary art market: www.zeit.de/2015/10/gerhard-richter-kunst-preiseAs a related but separate issue, when considering Richter's viewpoints, it's worth factoring in his background as well. He grew up both during the War and the period of post-War economic hardship. His young adulthood (until his late twenties) was spent in a country with a socialist centrally-planned economy. This shines a different light on his market-related comments than it would if the same comments had been made by an artist raised in the US or Western Europe. |
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Black Apple Art on Dec 24, 2015 14:19:58 GMT 1, The best was his last big interview after his painting sold for $31.7mil and actually called the buyer a moron lol For the record, this is unfair and misleading because it isn't something Gerhard Richter said. You made similar references about the artist a couple of times earlier in the year, although I didn't previously challenge these. [The comments stayed in my mind because your posts are among those by forum members I look out for and read. In particular, I appreciate your militancy regarding:
(i) the accuracy of condition descriptions for works on paper, and the impact that condition has on financial value;
(ii) the limited use of quoting a secondary market price without also describing the condition of the art; and
(iii) the importance of examining works outside of their frames, since appearances can be so deceiving and framing often hides minor or serious condition issues.
The warnings you've repeatedly given are, in my opinion, slowly having an effect. They make people more conscious of purchasing risks, especially framing-related β and this is helping to initiate a desirable culture shift in buyer expectations on the forum (something that has already happened in relation to Pest Control COAs for Banksy prints).]Your perception of what Richter said seems to be based on a March 2015 piece in The Guardian. It's worth emphasising this article is only a summary in English of a Die Zeit interview conducted with Richter in German. So there's been both translating and paraphrasing involved in the English article. The German text itself would most likely have been edited also, rather than being a faithful word-for-word transcription of the full interview. In addition, the attempted recap by The Guardian changes the original context to the point where I believe it misrepresents and distorts what Richter actually stated. When reading it, the impression one gets of the artist is sometimes at odds with the general tone of the Die Zeit interview. At least in this respect, the article in The Guardian is a failure. And Richter does not himself use the words "moron" or "foolish". In case you haven't yet seen the source interview, I do recommend it β using an online German-to-English translating programme if necessary. It's a measured, engaging and refreshingly candid exchange covering Richter's ambivalence about the contemporary art market: www.zeit.de/2015/10/gerhard-richter-kunst-preiseAs a related but separate issue, when considering Richter's viewpoints, it's worth factoring in his background as well. He grew up both during the War and the period of post-War economic hardship. His young adulthood (until his late twenties) was spent in a country with a socialist centrally-planned economy. This shines a different light on his market-related comments than it would if the same comments had been made by an artist raised in the US or Western Europe.
The best was his last big interview after his painting sold for $31.7mil and actually called the buyer a moron lol For the record, this is unfair and misleading because it isn't something Gerhard Richter said. You made similar references about the artist a couple of times earlier in the year, although I didn't previously challenge these. [The comments stayed in my mind because your posts are among those by forum members I look out for and read. In particular, I appreciate your militancy regarding:
(i) the accuracy of condition descriptions for works on paper, and the impact that condition has on financial value;
(ii) the limited use of quoting a secondary market price without also describing the condition of the art; and
(iii) the importance of examining works outside of their frames, since appearances can be so deceiving and framing often hides minor or serious condition issues.
The warnings you've repeatedly given are, in my opinion, slowly having an effect. They make people more conscious of purchasing risks, especially framing-related β and this is helping to initiate a desirable culture shift in buyer expectations on the forum (something that has already happened in relation to Pest Control COAs for Banksy prints).]Your perception of what Richter said seems to be based on a March 2015 piece in The Guardian. It's worth emphasising this article is only a summary in English of a Die Zeit interview conducted with Richter in German. So there's been both translating and paraphrasing involved in the English article. The German text itself would most likely have been edited also, rather than being a faithful word-for-word transcription of the full interview. In addition, the attempted recap by The Guardian changes the original context to the point where I believe it misrepresents and distorts what Richter actually stated. When reading it, the impression one gets of the artist is sometimes at odds with the general tone of the Die Zeit interview. At least in this respect, the article in The Guardian is a failure. And Richter does not himself use the words "moron" or "foolish". In case you haven't yet seen the source interview, I do recommend it β using an online German-to-English translating programme if necessary. It's a measured, engaging and refreshingly candid exchange covering Richter's ambivalence about the contemporary art market: www.zeit.de/2015/10/gerhard-richter-kunst-preiseAs a related but separate issue, when considering Richter's viewpoints, it's worth factoring in his background as well. He grew up both during the War and the period of post-War economic hardship. His young adulthood (until his late twenties) was spent in a country with a socialist centrally-planned economy. This shines a different light on his market-related comments than it would if the same comments had been made by an artist raised in the US or Western Europe. You spent quite a lot of time in this response which in my view just danced around the facts and said nothing. His exact quote was the buyer of his record breaking priced work was "foolish". My point was this was the first time in recorded history that I have found an artist actually called the buyer "foolish" for paying what he did. I in no way think this is wrong, I just think it is remarkable that an artist at his level actually spoke his mind on record regardless of the repercussions. If anything I commend his honesty. |
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 21:23:24 GMT 1, Not a sour kraut then?
Would he say the same if he got the 40 odd million for the painting?
I guess the point he made is that the artist has no control over the selling price.
Not a sour kraut then?
Would he say the same if he got the 40 odd million for the painting?
I guess the point he made is that the artist has no control over the selling price.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Kawsisking on Jan 3, 2016 19:41:01 GMT 1, Gerhard Richter
P13 (FENCE)
Limited Edition of 500, each numbered
Diasec mounted print on aluminum
35.5 x 27 cm
I have successfully sold on this board previously, so can provide references.
Gerhard Richter P13 (FENCE) Limited Edition of 500, each numbered Diasec mounted print on aluminum 35.5 x 27 cm I have successfully sold on this board previously, so can provide references. |
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 20:18:00 GMT 1, Gerhard Richter P13 (FENCE) Limited Edition of 500, each numbered Diasec mounted print on aluminum 35.5 x 27 cm I have successfully sold on this board previously, so can provide references.
A lovely piece, one that I would find a space for on my wall.
Such a rude vulgar question to ask but how much is it?
Gerhard Richter P13 (FENCE) Limited Edition of 500, each numbered Diasec mounted print on aluminum 35.5 x 27 cm I have successfully sold on this board previously, so can provide references. A lovely piece, one that I would find a space for on my wall. Such a rude vulgar question to ask but how much is it? |
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by samfrost on Jan 3, 2016 20:30:26 GMT 1, They were available at Serpentine for Β£1500 in October...
They were available at Serpentine for Β£1500 in October...
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Kawsisking on Jan 3, 2016 20:45:10 GMT 1, Gerhard Richter P13 (FENCE) Limited Edition of 500, each numbered Diasec mounted print on aluminum 35.5 x 27 cm I have successfully sold on this board previously, so can provide references. A lovely piece, one that I would find a space for on my wall. Such a rude vulgar question to ask but how much is it?
I'll PM you now.
Gerhard Richter P13 (FENCE) Limited Edition of 500, each numbered Diasec mounted print on aluminum 35.5 x 27 cm I have successfully sold on this board previously, so can provide references. A lovely piece, one that I would find a space for on my wall. Such a rude vulgar question to ask but how much is it? I'll PM you now. |
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Poster Bob on Jan 3, 2016 20:51:26 GMT 1, They were available at Serpentine for Β£1500 in October...
They were available at Serpentine for Β£1500 in October... They were Β£1,800 anyway you cut it. If you live outside of the EU the shipping didn't make them much cheaper once the VAT was taken off. They're easily obtainable for around Β£2,500. |
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Kawsisking on Jan 3, 2016 20:58:41 GMT 1, They were available at Serpentine for Β£1500 in October... They were Β£1,800 anyway you cut it. If you live outside of the EU the shipping didn't make them much cheaper once the VAT was taken off. They're easily obtainable for around Β£2,500.
My price is very close to Β£2,500.
They were available at Serpentine for Β£1500 in October... They were Β£1,800 anyway you cut it. If you live outside of the EU the shipping didn't make them much cheaper once the VAT was taken off. They're easily obtainable for around Β£2,500. My price is very close to Β£2,500. |
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by samfrost on Jan 3, 2016 20:58:57 GMT 1, Β£1,590 for USA buyers all-in FWIW
Β£1,590 for USA buyers all-in FWIW
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Poster Bob on Jan 3, 2016 21:02:52 GMT 1, Β£1,590 for USA buyers all-in FWIW
Β£1,590 for USA buyers all-in FWIW Christ, next time I'm having mine sent to the US. |
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Zippy on Jan 3, 2016 21:34:05 GMT 1, Have these sold out? I thought still available from Serpentine Gallery?
Have these sold out? I thought still available from Serpentine Gallery?
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Poster Bob on Jan 3, 2016 21:39:58 GMT 1, I think they sold out quite quickly, at least I was told so by a third party.
I think they sold out quite quickly, at least I was told so by a third party.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Mister Whisper on Jan 4, 2016 3:08:57 GMT 1, As far as I know, these are still available -- I received mine less than two weeks ago, and if they're selling them in order they still would've had over 70 copies left. Plus they're still listed on the website, and my previous experience with Serpentine indicates that they flag editions as sold out as soon as they're gone, and then remove them from the store ASAP. I'll confirm the price shipped to the US is Β£1,590, or just a smidge over $2400 USD. Purchase is by application via the website. Fast shipping by Flight Logistics, in Serpentine's usual bulletproof packing.
As far as I know, these are still available -- I received mine less than two weeks ago, and if they're selling them in order they still would've had over 70 copies left. Plus they're still listed on the website, and my previous experience with Serpentine indicates that they flag editions as sold out as soon as they're gone, and then remove them from the store ASAP. I'll confirm the price shipped to the US is Β£1,590, or just a smidge over $2400 USD. Purchase is by application via the website. Fast shipping by Flight Logistics, in Serpentine's usual bulletproof packing.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Tommy Tucker on Jan 4, 2016 14:37:17 GMT 1, Bloody hell I should of gotten mine sent to the US. Just checked my bank statement and with VAT etc it came to Β£1,849.
Bloody hell I should of gotten mine sent to the US. Just checked my bank statement and with VAT etc it came to Β£1,849.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 3:49:28 GMT 1, Selling my Gerhard Richter Haggadah P2 Chromogenic Print.
Size: 100 cm X 100 cm
Photos will be sent privately to serious buyers upon request.
Located in the USA and can ship to anywhere in the world.
Wire transfer only.
Selling my Gerhard Richter Haggadah P2 Chromogenic Print.
Size: 100 cm X 100 cm
Photos will be sent privately to serious buyers upon request.
Located in the USA and can ship to anywhere in the world.
Wire transfer only.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Kawsisking on Jan 6, 2016 4:48:49 GMT 1, Where are you based?
Where are you based?
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Mister Whisper on Feb 3, 2016 3:49:00 GMT 1, ![]()
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Just finished framing up mine in a 2-inch shadowbox with museum acrylic up front and an acrylic window in back to display the edition information (actually I'm not quite done -- I still need to seal the back and add the hanging hardware). It is a small print (it's the exact same size as the original) but it's gorgeous in person and framing adds a bit of visual heft to it.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by john1539 on Feb 3, 2016 13:45:05 GMT 1, Very nice frame, congratulations!
Very nice frame, congratulations!
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by trapnel1 on Feb 3, 2016 14:18:34 GMT 1, Just finished framing up mine in a 2-inch shadowbox with museum acrylic up front and an acrylic window in back to display the edition information (actually I'm not quite done -- I still need to seal the back and add the hanging hardware). It is a small print (it's the exact same size as the original) but it's gorgeous in person and framing adds a bit of visual heft to it.
Very nice indeed. I was just considering how to frame mine (or whether to hang unframed). This looks pretty good though. And I can't help but notice the Serpentine print in the background - framing almost identical to mine!
Just finished framing up mine in a 2-inch shadowbox with museum acrylic up front and an acrylic window in back to display the edition information (actually I'm not quite done -- I still need to seal the back and add the hanging hardware). It is a small print (it's the exact same size as the original) but it's gorgeous in person and framing adds a bit of visual heft to it. Very nice indeed. I was just considering how to frame mine (or whether to hang unframed). This looks pretty good though. And I can't help but notice the Serpentine print in the background - framing almost identical to mine! |
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by HRE on Feb 3, 2016 15:51:12 GMT 1, Can I ask how the framer attached the metal picture to the frame without damaging the image?
Can I ask how the framer attached the metal picture to the frame without damaging the image?
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Mister Whisper on Feb 3, 2016 22:12:10 GMT 1, Can I ask how the framer attached the metal picture to the frame without damaging the image?
I framed it myself  so I can tell you exactly how it was done. These prints are on aluminum and each comes permanently mounted on a 1-inch high aluminum riser/pedestal. This pedestal is simply a small aluminum frame. This riser frame is made by Neilsen/Bainbridge, so all I had to do was source their screw-in hangers (thanks, ebay) and install them. They screw directly into frame (held by pressure, so no holes necessary) and since they're made to integrate into the Neilsen line they're a perfect fit. They look like this:
Because of the weight of the piece (it's not that heavy, but obviously heavier than a work on paper) I used a sheet of 1/8-inch framing grade acrylite plexiglass as the mounting board, it also doubles as the back window. The acrylite plexi is sandwiched between archival matboard (front, underneath the piece) and 1/8" archival foamboard (back, for reinforcement), each of which has a window opening to display the edition information. I simply installed the hangers on each corner of the riser frame, drilled corresponding holes through the plexi, and bolted it all together. In the pic of the back of the frame, you can see the see the bolts and hangers in the corners of the window. No damage to the piece and completely reversible.
Can I ask how the framer attached the metal picture to the frame without damaging the image? I framed it myself so I can tell you exactly how it was done. These prints are on aluminum and each comes permanently mounted on a 1-inch high aluminum riser/pedestal. This pedestal is simply a small aluminum frame. This riser frame is made by Neilsen/Bainbridge, so all I had to do was source their screw-in hangers (thanks, ebay) and install them. They screw directly into frame (held by pressure, so no holes necessary) and since they're made to integrate into the Neilsen line they're a perfect fit. They look like this: Because of the weight of the piece (it's not that heavy, but obviously heavier than a work on paper) I used a sheet of 1/8-inch framing grade acrylite plexiglass as the mounting board, it also doubles as the back window. The acrylite plexi is sandwiched between archival matboard (front, underneath the piece) and 1/8" archival foamboard (back, for reinforcement), each of which has a window opening to display the edition information. I simply installed the hangers on each corner of the riser frame, drilled corresponding holes through the plexi, and bolted it all together. In the pic of the back of the frame, you can see the see the bolts and hangers in the corners of the window. No damage to the piece and completely reversible. |
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by cmodart on Feb 15, 2016 3:01:24 GMT 1, Selling my Gerhard Richter Haggadah P2 Chromogenic Print. Size: 100 cm X 100 cm It is in excellent condition and Published by Heni. Im open to reasonable offers and photos will be sent privately to serious buyers upon request.Β
still FS? Message me if so.
Selling my Gerhard Richter Haggadah P2 Chromogenic Print. Size: 100 cm X 100 cm It is in excellent condition and Published by Heni. Im open to reasonable offers and photos will be sent privately to serious buyers upon request.Β still FS? Message me if so. |
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by mla on Feb 15, 2016 4:52:30 GMT 1, I'd imagine the price has gone up 
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 16:44:09 GMT 1, Bump Still available. Price $40,000
Bump Still available. Price $40,000
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Poster Bob on Feb 27, 2016 3:03:53 GMT 1, You'd have to take it as those crazy auction results will never happen again and you know it. Pay Β£20k or less for this or you're a sucker.
You'd have to take it as those crazy auction results will never happen again and you know it. Pay Β£20k or less for this or you're a sucker.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 4:15:27 GMT 1, You'd have to take it as those crazy auction results will never happen again and you know it. Pay Β£20k or less for this or you're a sucker.
Please keep your "opinions" to yourself as the last two auction results hammered at $34,000 and $46,000 from two different auction sites. So I would love to know where you can buy this print for Β£20000 or less?
I think by asking for $40,000 is fair according to those auction results.
You'd have to take it as those crazy auction results will never happen again and you know it. Pay Β£20k or less for this or you're a sucker. Please keep your "opinions" to yourself as the last two auction results hammered at $34,000 and $46,000 from two different auction sites. So I would love to know where you can buy this print for Β£20000 or less? I think by asking for $40,000 is fair according to those auction results. |
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so I can tell you exactly how it was done. These prints are on aluminum and each comes permanently mounted on a 1-inch high aluminum riser/pedestal. This pedestal is simply a small aluminum frame. This riser frame is made by Neilsen/Bainbridge, so all I had to do was source their screw-in hangers (thanks, ebay) and install them. They screw directly into frame (held by pressure, so no holes necessary) and since they're made to integrate into the Neilsen line they're a perfect fit. They look like this:
