Banksy reindeer in Birmingham

[Rouen Cathedral]

Pretty weak.

Not to be a cynic or down play the issue that is homelessness.

But this is clearly staged and kind of a gross theater piece in my eyes.

I quite like the concept but not buying the authenticity of this for one second.

[Rouen Cathedral]

Dec 9, 2019 19:31:12 GMT 1 @03wilkij said:

Dec 9, 2019 19:28:23 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Pretty weak.

Not to be a cynic or down play the issue that is homelessness.

But this is clearly staged and kind of a gross theater piece in my eyes.

I quite like the concept but not buying the authenticity of this for one second.

This guy slates Banksy at every given opportunity FYI 

Lol

So you disagree?

[warwolf]

Fantastic piece

[Deleted]

Dec 9, 2019 19:19:26 GMT 1 inefficiency of said:

I also wonder if he is aware that 300yards away a Turf Wars hangs in a pub window. 🧐

The urban bar? Police are all over it tonight. Barriers erected. Nice that we have a new Banksy in Birmingham. About time.

[Rouen Cathedral]

Dec 9, 2019 19:34:47 GMT 1 @03wilkij said:

Dec 9, 2019 19:32:41 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Lol

So you disagree?

I agree that you’re so cynical and negative about everything he does..

bitter is the word

I think the reindeer figures are done very well. So now your statement is false.

So want to discuss the piece and my commentary on it?

[Hairbland]

Dec 9, 2019 19:32:41 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Dec 9, 2019 19:31:12 GMT 1 @03wilkij said:

This guy slates Banksy at every given opportunity FYI 

Lol

So you disagree?

Jonny don’t let the troll sea lion you!

[Hairbland]

Dec 9, 2019 19:28:23 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Pretty weak.

Not to be a cynic or down play the issue that is homelessness.

But this is clearly staged and kind of a gross theater piece in my eyes.

I quite like the concept but not buying the authenticity of this for one second.

One question- why do you bother?

[trowel]

Unfortunately I already have a trip to the Jewellery Quarter booked in for this weekend. Will be good to see this at least.

Top tip gents: don't let your missus find out about the Jewellery Quarter...

[Lroy]

Dec 9, 2019 19:50:42 GMT 1 @mammal100 said:

Dec 9, 2019 19:19:26 GMT 1 inefficiency of said:

I also wonder if he is aware that 300yards away a Turf Wars hangs in a pub window. 🧐

The urban bar? Police are all over it tonight. Barriers erected. Nice that we have a new Banksy in Birmingham. About time.

This 33 seconds video with the cars etc ... and despite the tragic subject is a pure masterpiece ! 
What is this flyer (? ) that I have found on the wall of a Facebook friend ?.. Any link ?

[Laugh Now 10]

Dec 9, 2019 20:04:08 GMT 1 Lroy said:

Dec 9, 2019 19:50:42 GMT 1 @mammal100 said:

The urban bar? Police are all over it tonight. Barriers erected. Nice that we have a new Banksy in Birmingham. About time.

This 33 seconds video with the cars etc ... and despite the tragic subject is a pure masterpiece ! 
What is this flyer (? ) that I have found on the wall of a Facebook friend ?.. Any link ?

I believe BEAK > is a project from Geoff Barrow (of Portishead).

[nobokov]

Dec 9, 2019 19:58:13 GMT 1 Hairbland said:

Dec 9, 2019 19:32:41 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Lol

So you disagree?

Jonny don’t let the troll sea lion you!

Is he labeled a troll, because he has a dissenting opinion?

[Deleted]

Dec 9, 2019 20:07:44 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Dec 9, 2019 19:58:13 GMT 1 Hairbland said:

Jonny don’t let the troll sea lion you!

Is he labeled a troll, because he has a dissenting opinion?

Most of the time - yes.
Occasionally he’s just really annoying

[Lazarus II]

Dec 9, 2019 20:07:44 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Dec 9, 2019 19:58:13 GMT 1 Hairbland said:

Jonny don’t let the troll sea lion you!

Is he labeled a troll, because he has a dissenting opinion?

no its because he is a fud.

[Hairbland]

Dec 9, 2019 20:07:44 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Dec 9, 2019 19:58:13 GMT 1 Hairbland said:

Jonny don’t let the troll sea lion you!

Is he labeled a troll, because he has a dissenting opinion?

You know the answer to your question.

[sfnyc]

In a similar spirit, I even thought it could have been done by Banksy at first:
www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/12/08/church-nativity-displays-jesus-mary-joseph-cages-separated-border/

[pippyt75]

Think it’s a great piece. Really powerful. Made me stop and think and have a chat to a homeless guy on the way home and give him some cash, which I might not have done otherwise.

[inefficiency of]

Dec 9, 2019 19:50:42 GMT 1 @mammal100 said:

Dec 9, 2019 19:19:26 GMT 1 inefficiency of said:

I also wonder if he is aware that 300yards away a Turf Wars hangs in a pub window. 🧐

The urban bar? Police are all over it tonight. Barriers erected. Nice that we have a new Banksy in Birmingham. About time.

Yeah the Red Lion, part of the Urban Arts Bars. I see it every time I drive past in the Ambo. Always have to have a look and see Churchill staring back. Yup, about time. Will be interesting to see if it lasts.

I like the fact it’s on a train bridge and can’t be cut out, and will be part of the street. Fair game to tags, plexiglass, haters etc. Will be interesting to see how it develops over time (if it even lasts).

[inefficiency of]

Hasn’t someone already put red noses on the reindeer?

[John The Badgers]

A beautiful piece, such a powerful message. Hopefully it makes people stop and think at this time of the year about more important issues.

I'm with Mammal, great to see this in Birmingham, looking forward to going tomorrow.

[Graham H]

I don't think i could ever be accused of talking Banksy down, but im of the same opinion that I just don't get this piece..

If the message is we should all be thinking about the homeless at this time of year, putting loads of stuff around a homeless guy ( you could say staging ) and then filming him as people walk past in the hope they give him something and then showing his 6.9 million IG followers that he has done it - i just don't get how that can in any way benefit all the thousands of homeless people on the streets.

I doff my cap to you pippyt75 saying it made you act differently on your way home and you helped a homeless person.. i just can't see it having the same effect on most people though..and realistically, with the power he has, he could have done something far more beneficial.. im in no way saying i know what that is.. but he normally finds a moral and different but successful way to help most of the causes he highlights. but i just don't think this does. 

Maybe he is trying to fight too may battles.. 

The reindeers are nice though..

Dec 9, 2019 19:28:23 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Pretty weak.

Not to be a cynic or down play the issue that is homelessness.

But this is clearly staged and kind of a gross theater piece in my eyes.

I quite like the concept but not buying the authenticity of this for one second.

[Woodey1001]

This pretty unique isn't it? So good.

[vvk]

Dec 9, 2019 20:04:08 GMT 1 Lroy said:

Dec 9, 2019 19:50:42 GMT 1 @mammal100 said:

The urban bar? Police are all over it tonight. Barriers erected. Nice that we have a new Banksy in Birmingham. About time.

This 33 seconds video with the cars etc ... and despite the tragic subject is a pure masterpiece ! 
What is this flyer (? ) that I have found on the wall of a Facebook friend ?.. Any link ?

this  is  no coincidence.. Geoff Barrow/portishead  , 3d  and  robin.   all partners in crime.    in music and art.  i'll be home  for the holidays

[Rouen Cathedral]

Dec 9, 2019 19:59:17 GMT 1 Hairbland said:

Dec 9, 2019 19:28:23 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Pretty weak.

Not to be a cynic or down play the issue that is homelessness.

But this is clearly staged and kind of a gross theater piece in my eyes.

I quite like the concept but not buying the authenticity of this for one second.

One question- why do you bother?

Bothered?why would I be bothered. I like discussing art. Unfortunately too many like disgusting me more it seems. Lol

[drip]

Dec 9, 2019 21:06:39 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Dec 9, 2019 19:59:17 GMT 1 Hairbland said:

One question- why do you bother?

Bothered?why would I be bothered. I like discussing art. Unfortunately too many like disgusting me more it seems. Lol

I can't tell whether that's a typo or a Freudian slip.

[Rouen Cathedral]

So is Ryan part of team banksy?

[drip]

Dec 9, 2019 20:43:15 GMT 1 Graham H said:

I don't think i could ever be accused of talking Banksy down, but im of the same opinion that I just don't get this piece..

If the message is we should all be thinking about the homeless at this time of year, putting loads of stuff around a homeless guy ( you could say staging ) and then filming him as people walk past in the hope they give him something and then showing his 6.9 million IG followers that he has done it - i just don't get how that can in any way benefit all the thousands of homeless people on the streets.

I doff my cap to you pippyt75 saying it made you act differently on your way home and you helped a homeless person.. i just can't see it having the same effect on most people though..and realistically, with the power he has, he could have done something far more beneficial.. im in no way saying i know what that is.. but he normally finds a moral and different but successful way to help most of the causes he highlights. but i just don't think this does. 

Maybe he is trying to fight too may battles.. 

The reindeers are nice though..

Dec 9, 2019 19:28:23 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Pretty weak.

Not to be a cynic or down play the issue that is homelessness.

But this is clearly staged and kind of a gross theater piece in my eyes.

I quite like the concept but not buying the authenticity of this for one second.

I'll admit, I thought the same. I thought the image is fine, but I don't see what more it brings to the eyeballs, than multiple images of freezing homeless out in the cold would do. If you've got a large following, just post images or some videos. People will watch. But I guess maybe you need to wrap it in something sometimes? And Banksy's an artist. This is kinda his thing. Whatever he does will pretty much involve humorous stencil-based artwork with a humanitarian flavour.

Like GDP. He could've (arguably rightly) just done the pile of lifejackets, but the other stuff (ok yes, and the posters) got more people there. I think the reindeer image will get more media coverage than just "Banksy posts images of homeless people on his Instagram and says FFS help the homeless!"

Plus also I think people prefer being amused more than they like being preached to. So you sneak that sh*t in there.

[drip]

Dec 9, 2019 19:28:23 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Pretty weak.

Not to be a cynic or down play the issue that is homelessness.

But this is clearly staged and kind of a gross theater piece in my eyes.

I quite like the concept but not buying the authenticity of this for one second.

It's almost certainly staged to a degree. None of that just organically happened. But I don't think it detracts from either the image or the sentiment around it.

And if the guy is actually homeless right now, I'm sure he consented to everything that occurred. And even if he's just a trained actor, then he'll almost certainly experience homelessness, hunger and poverty at some point in the future. So it's all the same.

[vvk]

Dec 9, 2019 21:10:09 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

So is Ryan part of team banksy?

yes

[swissmade]

I love it. Beautiful.

[Rouen Cathedral]

Dec 9, 2019 21:52:23 GMT 1 vvk said:

Dec 9, 2019 21:10:09 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

So is Ryan part of team banksy?

yes

If so I never thought banksy would be so tone def.