[sfnyc]

I wish it could be actually used as an entrance mat even if one secures it to avoid it being stolen, but I do fear it may signal thieves that it is the home of a Banksy collector with valuables inside...

[Mr Janny]

Speaking of love welcomes refunding orders. I received a refund a couple days ago. I checked my account today and the charge was there again. Weird.

[Rouen Cathedral]

Oct 22, 2019 22:10:38 GMT 1 Terry Fuckwitt said:

Oct 22, 2019 22:00:16 GMT 1 nobokov said:

I couldn't possibly leave it outside in case a random thief regularly reads Artnet or Hypebeast and recognizes the mat and if I put it on the inside of the door, I'm afraid that the straps will get caught upon opening. Not sure what to do with it really.

I'm cutting a 1 inch recess into the floor of my entrance, then placing it in there. I will then cover to floor level with a piece of toughened glass. So it will be the perfect spot, without getting dirty👍

Like every good banksy. Put it under some plexi!

[Terry Fuckwitt]

Oct 22, 2019 22:25:43 GMT 1 pfffffffffft said:

Oct 22, 2019 22:10:38 GMT 1 Terry Fuckwitt said:

I'm cutting a 1 inch recess into the floor of my entrance, then placing it in there. I will then cover to floor level with a piece of toughened glass. So it will be the perfect spot, without getting dirty👍

You should pop in a little low lighting in there too which will make it look awesome!

That would look pretty bloody good! Or a blue light at night time to make the orange glow.

[Terry Fuckwitt]

Oct 22, 2019 22:34:12 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Oct 22, 2019 22:10:38 GMT 1 Terry Fuckwitt said:

I'm cutting a 1 inch recess into the floor of my entrance, then placing it in there. I will then cover to floor level with a piece of toughened glass. So it will be the perfect spot, without getting dirty👍

Like every good banksy. Put it under some plexi!

Could be a problem with the lady visitors in their stilettos.

[vvk]

where can one get one of the vest pictured as well as spool and shears?

this is either going on the floor ( i like the cut a hole in the floor idea) or its going on the wall. if going on the wall, I would like to display it with the vest and a description card

[Deleted]

Oct 22, 2019 22:34:12 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

Oct 22, 2019 22:10:38 GMT 1 Terry Fuckwitt said:

I'm cutting a 1 inch recess into the floor of my entrance, then placing it in there. I will then cover to floor level with a piece of toughened glass. So it will be the perfect spot, without getting dirty👍

Like every good banksy. Put it under some plexi!

That is the first witty thing i think i have read from you


Still has negativity attached to it which is a shame, but not bad overall, a worthy post 

[pfffffffffft]

Oct 22, 2019 22:40:19 GMT 1 Terry Fuckwitt said:

Oct 22, 2019 22:25:43 GMT 1 pfffffffffft said:

You should pop in a little low lighting in there too which will make it look awesome!

That would look pretty bloody good! Or a blue light at night time to make the orange glow.

I don't even think you need to go color just a soft white that almost looks incandescent would do the trick.

I'd consider doing similar at my home but we're in a co-op and I'm pretty sure there'd be an epic frown from the co-op the board if we did it...and I'm on the board.

[pfffffffffft]

Oct 22, 2019 22:32:08 GMT 1 Mr Janny said:

Speaking of love welcomes refunding orders. I received a refund a couple days ago. I checked my account today and the charge was there again. Weird.

Did you receive an email confirmation yesterday?

You may have just had the hold released a couple days ago. Charges went through yesterday.

[kylekeizer]

CC charged has gone through completely!

*does the moonwalk across the living room*

[d.r. perseus]

Oct 22, 2019 22:10:38 GMT 1 Terry Fuckwitt said:

Oct 22, 2019 22:00:16 GMT 1 nobokov said:

I couldn't possibly leave it outside in case a random thief regularly reads Artnet or Hypebeast and recognizes the mat and if I put it on the inside of the door, I'm afraid that the straps will get caught upon opening. Not sure what to do with it really.

I'm cutting a 1 inch recess into the floor of my entrance, then placing it in there. I will then cover to floor level with a piece of toughened glass. So it will be the perfect spot, without getting dirty👍

Ionic on too many levels to have a welcome doormat made useless by the barrier of glass

[d.r. perseus]

Oct 22, 2019 23:44:57 GMT 1 kylekeizer said:

CC charged has gone through completely!

*does the moonwalk across the living room*

Don’t trip on that rug!

[drip]

Anyone planning to set it into a coffee table? 

[kylekeizer]

Oct 23, 2019 0:04:17 GMT 1 drip said:

Anyone planning to set it into a coffee table? 

I hadn’t thought of it until now but I’ve got the perfect table for it genius!

[Terry Fuckwitt]

Oct 23, 2019 0:01:16 GMT 1 d.r. perseus said:

Oct 22, 2019 22:10:38 GMT 1 Terry Fuckwitt said:

I'm cutting a 1 inch recess into the floor of my entrance, then placing it in there. I will then cover to floor level with a piece of toughened glass. So it will be the perfect spot, without getting dirty👍

Ionic on too many levels to have a welcome doormat made useless by the barrier of glass

Would it be less useless putting a doormat on a wall?

[Inknart]

Oct 23, 2019 0:14:05 GMT 1 Terry Fuckwitt said:

Oct 23, 2019 0:01:16 GMT 1 d.r. perseus said:

Ionic on too many levels to have a welcome doormat made useless by the barrier of glass

Would it be less useless putting a doormat on a wall?

The argument is irrelevant. Let me go get that grappling hook and then test it’s weight limit or buy a 10k kaws toy for my nephews and nieces to play with, I mean they’re toys right ? You can say the same thing about all art. Maybe fold up a print into an paper airplane, just paper right?

maybe the irony lies in the mat, that has a life jacket that was never meant to stay afloat or save a life. 

[Terry Fuckwitt]

Oct 23, 2019 0:20:40 GMT 1 Inknart said:

Oct 23, 2019 0:14:05 GMT 1 Terry Fuckwitt said:

Would it be less useless putting a doormat on a wall?

The argument is irrelevant. Let me go get that grappling hook and then test it’s weight limit or buy a 10k kaws toy for my nephews and nieces to play with, I mean they’re toys right ? You can say the same thing about all art. Maybe fold up a print into an paper airplane, just paper right?

maybe the irony lies in the mat, that has a life jacket that was never meant to stay afloat or save a life. 

I'm looking forward to staying in with that TV that I can't watch, while my other half goes out with her new brick clutch bag😉

[Inknart]

Oct 23, 2019 0:28:58 GMT 1 Terry Fuckwitt said:

Oct 23, 2019 0:20:40 GMT 1 Inknart said:

The argument is irrelevant. Let me go get that grappling hook and then test it’s weight limit or buy a 10k kaws toy for my nephews and nieces to play with, I mean they’re toys right ? You can say the same thing about all art. Maybe fold up a print into an paper airplane, just paper right?

maybe the irony lies in the mat, that has a life jacket that was never meant to stay afloat or save a life. 

I'm looking forward to staying in with that TV that I can't watch, while my other half goes out with her new brick clutch bag😉

Lol! I haven’t been to a rave in 13 years, but that disco ball riot helmet  would be pretty lit. Def another item you can’t just surely display without fulfilling its actual purpose between that and an actual riot.

[d.r. perseus]

Oct 23, 2019 0:14:05 GMT 1 Terry Fuckwitt said:

Oct 23, 2019 0:01:16 GMT 1 d.r. perseus said:

Ionic on too many levels to have a welcome doormat made useless by the barrier of glass

Would it be less useless putting a doormat on a wall?

It’s a discussion piece which is usually one of the inherent functional aspects of art.

My comment is about the a welcome mat rendered useless in a location one would expect it to be useful made by people that weren’t welcomed to their final destination In the first place.

[Gentle Mental]

I remember reading LW saying it could be hung. Hope there’s some hanging mechanism on its back. Be cool if the label is on the front or edge. Anyone has more detailed photos of them at Croydon?

[Mr Janny]

Oct 22, 2019 22:48:11 GMT 1 pfffffffffft said:

Oct 22, 2019 22:32:08 GMT 1 Mr Janny said:

Speaking of love welcomes refunding orders. I received a refund a couple days ago. I checked my account today and the charge was there again. Weird.

Did you receive an email confirmation yesterday?

You may have just had the hold released a couple days ago. Charges went through yesterday.

Thanks for the heads up. Received a confirmation email stating i was successful in purchasing. Apart from the original confirmation received the date of purchase.

[Rouen Cathedral]

Is everyone registering for those cheap original banksy screen print T-shirt’s???

Quite a steal at 30 pounds for an original artwork by banksy that may be limited.

[Daniel Silk]

Why would anyone pay these sorts of prices?

www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=banksy+gross&_sop=16

[tab1]

Oct 23, 2019 2:26:43 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Why would anyone pay these sorts of prices?

www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=banksy+gross&_sop=16

for some to have a banksy is a show of wealth.
Usually people caught up in the hype
I remember someone paid £2500 at auction for a monkey queen when they were selling at £600.

[Stonetown]

Unlimited or limited, this hand sewn mat was made possible by the tragedies suffered by ppl trying to escape hell. People who are forced to risk their lives crossing dangerous water in faulty lifejackets. The lifejacket represents the risk and danger of their journey. And those awful life jackets have been smartly repurposed into a welcome mat of all things...The first thing someone sees when they arrive at your door and are invited into your home. Its genius and is poignant as heck.

This piece is so full of meaning that it shocks me that people are arguing its place as a piece of art.

[nobokov]

Oct 23, 2019 2:54:57 GMT 1 Stonetown said:

Unlimited or limited, this hand sewn mat was made possible by the tragedies suffered by ppl trying to escape hell. People who are forced to risk their lives crossing dangerous water in faulty lifejackets. The lifejacket represents the risk and danger of their journey. And those awful life jackets have been smartly repurposed into a welcome mat of all things...The first thing someone sees when they arrive at your door and are invited into your home. Its genius and is poignant as heck.

This piece is so full of meaning that it shocks me that people are arguing its place as a piece of art.

Not to beat this horse carcass into a bloody pulp, but I wonder what elements differentiate this other welcome mat that Love Welcomes offers from being a piece of artwork. Is it the text added to it, the artist's name, or the intentions of the artist or something else entirely? The same women are creating the product for the same cause and it is also called a Welcome mat and has the text "#LOVE#WELCOMES." Is this art as well?

[teabaggins]

Oct 23, 2019 3:41:03 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Oct 23, 2019 2:54:57 GMT 1 Stonetown said:

Unlimited or limited, this hand sewn mat was made possible by the tragedies suffered by ppl trying to escape hell. People who are forced to risk their lives crossing dangerous water in faulty lifejackets. The lifejacket represents the risk and danger of their journey. And those awful life jackets have been smartly repurposed into a welcome mat of all things...The first thing someone sees when they arrive at your door and are invited into your home. Its genius and is poignant as heck.

This piece is so full of meaning that it shocks me that people are arguing its place as a piece of art.

Not to beat this horse carcass into a bloody pulp, but I wonder what elements differentiate this other welcome mat that Love Welcomes offers from being a piece of artwork. Is it the text added to it, the artist's name, or the intentions of the artist or something else entirely? The same women are creating the product for the same cause and it is also called a Welcome mat and has the text "#LOVE#WELCOMES." Is this art as well?

Warhol’s Brillo Box ..... Art?

In the mid-1960s, Warhol carried his consumer-product imagery into the realm of sculpture. Calling to mind a factory assembly line, Warhol employed carpenters to construct numerous plywood boxes identical in size and shape to supermarket cartons. With assistance from Gerard Malanga and Billy Linich, he painted and silkscreened the boxes with different consumer product logos: Kellogg’s corn flakes, Brillo soap pads, Mott’s apple juice, Del Monte peaches, and Heinz ketchup. The finished sculptures were virtually indistinguishable from their cardboard supermarket counterparts. Warhol first exhibited these at the Stable Gallery in 1964, cramming the space with stacked boxes that recalled a cramped grocery warehouse. He invited collectors to buy them by the stack, and, though they did not sell well, the boxes caused controversy. In reference to his boxes, Warhol later said that he “wanted something ordinary,” and it was this mundane, commercial subject matter that infuriated the critics. The perfectly blank “machine-made” look of Warhol’s boxes contrasted sharply with the gestural brushstrokes of abstract expressionist paintings.

[pfffffffffft]

Oct 23, 2019 3:41:03 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Oct 23, 2019 2:54:57 GMT 1 Stonetown said:

Unlimited or limited, this hand sewn mat was made possible by the tragedies suffered by ppl trying to escape hell. People who are forced to risk their lives crossing dangerous water in faulty lifejackets. The lifejacket represents the risk and danger of their journey. And those awful life jackets have been smartly repurposed into a welcome mat of all things...The first thing someone sees when they arrive at your door and are invited into your home. Its genius and is poignant as heck.

This piece is so full of meaning that it shocks me that people are arguing its place as a piece of art.

Not to beat this horse carcass into a bloody pulp, but I wonder what elements differentiate this other welcome mat that Love Welcomes offers from being a piece of artwork. Is it the text added to it, the artist's name, or the intentions of the artist or something else entirely? The same women are creating the product for the same cause and it is also called a Welcome mat and has the text "#LOVE#WELCOMES." Is this art as well?

The Love Welcomes web site states that some people hang the mats on their walls. So some people consider them art yes. Are they art that might be hung in a museum or sent to auction? Probably not. But there is a whole other conversation to be had about how art becomes a commodity.

Again, it's subjective. When I was living in Los Angeles, in 2004 I went to a Robert Smithson exhibit and remember seeing this work in the exhibit:



I remember seeing this work because immediately after going to the museum I went to this punk rock club called The Smell. Google photos of "The Smell" "Los Angeles" and you'll get the vibe. On my mother's grave, in one of the side rooms they had been doing some demo work. The room was taped off but you could still look in. Almost an identical pile of rubble was in the corner and I pulled my friend aside. I laughed so hard I almost started crying. We decided that it looked better in that context than at MOCA.

Art is subjective. It's really that simple. You don't need to make it more complicated.

[nobokov]

Oct 23, 2019 4:03:28 GMT 1 teabaggins said:

Oct 23, 2019 3:41:03 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Not to beat this horse carcass into a bloody pulp, but I wonder what elements differentiate this other welcome mat that Love Welcomes offers from being a piece of artwork. Is it the text added to it, the artist's name, or the intentions of the artist or something else entirely? The same women are creating the product for the same cause and it is also called a Welcome mat and has the text "#LOVE#WELCOMES." Is this art as well?

Warhol’s Brillo Box ..... Art?

In the mid-1960s, Warhol carried his consumer-product imagery into the realm of sculpture. Calling to mind a factory assembly line, Warhol employed carpenters to construct numerous plywood boxes identical in size and shape to supermarket cartons. With assistance from Gerard Malanga and Billy Linich, he painted and silkscreened the boxes with different consumer product logos: Kellogg’s corn flakes, Brillo soap pads, Mott’s apple juice, Del Monte peaches, and Heinz ketchup. The finished sculptures were virtually indistinguishable from their cardboard supermarket counterparts. Warhol first exhibited these at the Stable Gallery in 1964, cramming the space with stacked boxes that recalled a cramped grocery warehouse. He invited collectors to buy them by the stack, and, though they did not sell well, the boxes caused controversy. In reference to his boxes, Warhol later said that he “wanted something ordinary,” and it was this mundane, commercial subject matter that infuriated the critics. The perfectly blank “machine-made” look of Warhol’s boxes contrasted sharply with the gestural brushstrokes of abstract expressionist paintings.

Does that mean that you feel that these other mats are also art?

[Stonetown]

Oct 23, 2019 3:41:03 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Oct 23, 2019 2:54:57 GMT 1 Stonetown said:

Unlimited or limited, this hand sewn mat was made possible by the tragedies suffered by ppl trying to escape hell. People who are forced to risk their lives crossing dangerous water in faulty lifejackets. The lifejacket represents the risk and danger of their journey. And those awful life jackets have been smartly repurposed into a welcome mat of all things...The first thing someone sees when they arrive at your door and are invited into your home. Its genius and is poignant as heck.

This piece is so full of meaning that it shocks me that people are arguing its place as a piece of art.

Not to beat this horse carcass into a bloody pulp, but I wonder what elements differentiate this other welcome mat that Love Welcomes offers from being a piece of artwork. Is it the text added to it, the artist's name, or the intentions of the artist or something else entirely? The same women are creating the product for the same cause and it is also called a Welcome mat and has the text "#LOVE#WELCOMES." Is this art as well?

Yes. It is art. It's just not as 'valuable' because that mat is missing the banksy association. We cant confuse monetary value with artistic merit though.

But ya... to your point...their mat is missing key elements that convey the theme such as the 'Welcome' text. That is a big differentiator for sure. Plus I think 'intent' is important too. Their intention was not the same as Banksy's was. They weren't looking to create art or tell a story per se. They were just looking to create a livelihood. Which I guess you might call art in itself.