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Atelier
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Atelier on Jan 3, 2022 5:17:19 GMT 1, A good print is a good print. If you do not plan to flip and want a cool banksy print that's relatively inexpensive, these are a a great buy at this number. The only difference between the GDP Rat's and other unsigned Banksy prints is a PC COA of which the only real purpose is the confirmation of authentication if you plan to sell. The GDP Rats look great framed and artistically are a lot more pure and interesting than a good number of Banksy prints. There's little difference between these and the Tesco Petrol Bomb posters that go for upto 4kGBP in auction.
A good print is a good print. If you do not plan to flip and want a cool banksy print that's relatively inexpensive, these are a a great buy at this number. The only difference between the GDP Rat's and other unsigned Banksy prints is a PC COA of which the only real purpose is the confirmation of authentication if you plan to sell. The GDP Rats look great framed and artistically are a lot more pure and interesting than a good number of Banksy prints. There's little difference between these and the Tesco Petrol Bomb posters that go for upto 4kGBP in auction.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Discerning Eye on Jan 10, 2022 4:30:11 GMT 1, I am considering having the framer do a deacidification process on a GDP Flowers print on the 50GSM newsprint in order to preserve it and prevent yellowing. Apparently it's often done by libraries on old manuscripts. And it's sometimes done with framing old newspaper headlines. Anyone with any experience with this that can offer some advice? I am having it framed using mylar corners, museum glass, archival materials. But perhaps the eventual yellowing would be a nice natural part of the image. I have to say, I like the natural look of the paper as it currently is. Thoughts? Did you go ahead with this process? Wondering if any joy? Mines still in a portfolio but with a house move early 2022, Iโd quite like to get mine on display. Thanks ๐๐ป
I actually did do this and it came out great. It didnโt disturb the print at all not change any of the texture of the piece. But it should help preserve it for years to come. PM if you want to see a photo of the final museum glass and gold gilded frame. Best of luck!
I am considering having the framer do a deacidification process on a GDP Flowers print on the 50GSM newsprint in order to preserve it and prevent yellowing. Apparently it's often done by libraries on old manuscripts. And it's sometimes done with framing old newspaper headlines. Anyone with any experience with this that can offer some advice? I am having it framed using mylar corners, museum glass, archival materials. But perhaps the eventual yellowing would be a nice natural part of the image. I have to say, I like the natural look of the paper as it currently is. Thoughts? Did you go ahead with this process? Wondering if any joy? Mines still in a portfolio but with a house move early 2022, Iโd quite like to get mine on display. Thanks ๐๐ป I actually did do this and it came out great. It didnโt disturb the print at all not change any of the texture of the piece. But it should help preserve it for years to come. PM if you want to see a photo of the final museum glass and gold gilded frame. Best of luck!
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Street Arted 2020 on Jan 10, 2022 4:40:06 GMT 1, Please post a photo so we all can see.
Please post a photo so we all can see.
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fq9
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We can expect this happening.. but really disappointed to hear that the person is a member of this forum!
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sandinista
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How do you tell a fake to a genuine?
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by esimpson on Jan 11, 2022 11:19:14 GMT 1, Hi all,
It seems complicated to manage to prove provenance of all the GDP prints. How do you guys do it to make sure you're not buying fake ones ?
And how can a seller prove his good faith if he has nothing but the print itself that he got that day ?
Thanks for your answer,
Best,
Hi all,
It seems complicated to manage to prove provenance of all the GDP prints. How do you guys do it to make sure you're not buying fake ones ?
And how can a seller prove his good faith if he has nothing but the print itself that he got that day ?
Thanks for your answer,
Best,
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by esimpson on Jan 11, 2022 11:19:39 GMT 1, Hi all,
It seems complicated to manage to prove provenance of all the GDP prints. How do you guys do it to make sure you're not buying fake ones ?
And how can a seller prove his good faith if he has nothing but the print itself that he got that day ?
Thanks for your answer,
Best,
Hi all,
It seems complicated to manage to prove provenance of all the GDP prints. How do you guys do it to make sure you're not buying fake ones ?
And how can a seller prove his good faith if he has nothing but the print itself that he got that day ?
Thanks for your answer,
Best,
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Dahmer
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Dahmer on Jan 11, 2022 11:23:53 GMT 1, Any ideas on the current values as I have a fairly good condition rat I could do with passing on -
Any ideas on the current values as I have a fairly good condition rat I could do with passing on -
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Icesay
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How do you tell a fake to a genuine? Easily!
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sandinista
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by sandinista on Jan 13, 2022 10:41:13 GMT 1, How do you tell a fake to a genuine? Easily! Please elaborate. might save some people wasting a lot of money. As i said i've seen hundreds of these being printed.
How do you tell a fake to a genuine? Easily! Please elaborate. might save some people wasting a lot of money. As i said i've seen hundreds of these being printed.
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Atelier
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Atelier on Jan 13, 2022 19:56:41 GMT 1, Please elaborate. might save some people wasting a lot of money. As i said i've seen hundreds of these being printed. There is not a failsafe way to tell a fake, easiest way is to directly compare in person to an original however there are signs that can help you. I'm sure there are other posts on here that do a better job of describing how to spot an original GDP Rat but here are things to look out for:
- Paper stock - color and thickness - this is an off yellow cheap newsprint stock. Paper is specific so try to get detail pics of the stock and how the black ink sits on that stock.
- Look at the blackness of the ink of the Rat and the tiny splatters, these are generally consistent. "off" blacks or missing or noticeably different splatters are signs of fakes.
- One good way to identify fakes are from the back. The printing process created a crude embossing and warping of the paper around the shape of the rat. This exact look is harder to fake.
- Sizing has been reported to be slightly varied but in general around 504mm (19 7/8 inches) x 384mm (15 3/16 inches)
Pics for reference. One is of my own rat but thanks to whoever provided me these other pics. I forget now.
I hope helpful to anyone about to throw money away to all the rats that have been pumped out on ebay. Still feel these are a great buy if you can get a real one as all that differentiates these from other unsigned Banksy prints is there being no edition number or Pest Control COA however in 50 years time probably won't mean much. Warhol has a ton of prints out there much like the rat that became very collectible. Do not plan on selling mine anytime soon so I do not care on the (lack of) value, they look really cool if well framed and on the wall.
Please elaborate. might save some people wasting a lot of money. As i said i've seen hundreds of these being printed. There is not a failsafe way to tell a fake, easiest way is to directly compare in person to an original however there are signs that can help you. I'm sure there are other posts on here that do a better job of describing how to spot an original GDP Rat but here are things to look out for: - Paper stock - color and thickness - this is an off yellow cheap newsprint stock. Paper is specific so try to get detail pics of the stock and how the black ink sits on that stock. - Look at the blackness of the ink of the Rat and the tiny splatters, these are generally consistent. "off" blacks or missing or noticeably different splatters are signs of fakes. - One good way to identify fakes are from the back. The printing process created a crude embossing and warping of the paper around the shape of the rat. This exact look is harder to fake. - Sizing has been reported to be slightly varied but in general around 504mm (19 7/8 inches) x 384mm (15 3/16 inches) Pics for reference. One is of my own rat but thanks to whoever provided me these other pics. I forget now. I hope helpful to anyone about to throw money away to all the rats that have been pumped out on ebay. Still feel these are a great buy if you can get a real one as all that differentiates these from other unsigned Banksy prints is there being no edition number or Pest Control COA however in 50 years time probably won't mean much. Warhol has a ton of prints out there much like the rat that became very collectible. Do not plan on selling mine anytime soon so I do not care on the (lack of) value, they look really cool if well framed and on the wall.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by sandinista on Jan 14, 2022 13:43:51 GMT 1, It's printed on newsprint which every screen printer uses on every print they do. They print on this ahead of printing onto expensive paper. Its pretty much the same stuff wherever you go so you can't differentiate the paper. It will all go yellow eventually. Regarding the black you can get differences in the original related to pressure, screen flooding, amount of medium mixed in etc so again not a definitive. Re the specs etc, you only need an hi res pic or an original to create a positive exactly the same so image if not definitive either and even the real ones could have some smudges, extra flecks etc.
It's printed on newsprint which every screen printer uses on every print they do. They print on this ahead of printing onto expensive paper. Its pretty much the same stuff wherever you go so you can't differentiate the paper. It will all go yellow eventually. Regarding the black you can get differences in the original related to pressure, screen flooding, amount of medium mixed in etc so again not a definitive. Re the specs etc, you only need an hi res pic or an original to create a positive exactly the same so image if not definitive either and even the real ones could have some smudges, extra flecks etc.
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Atelier
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Atelier on Jan 15, 2022 0:27:34 GMT 1, It's printed on newsprint which every screen printer uses on every print they do. They print on this ahead of printing onto expensive paper. Its pretty much the same stuff wherever you go so you can't differentiate the paper. It will all go yellow eventually. Regarding the black you can get differences in the original related to pressure, screen flooding, amount of medium mixed in etc so again not a definitive. Re the specs etc, you only need an hi res pic or an original to create a positive exactly the same so image if not definitive either and even the real ones could have some smudges, extra flecks etc. Ummm. Trying to be helpful here.
I've seen fakes and they are easy to spot. There were not 10's of thousands of these given out so unless there is a good provenance story too, my guess the majority on ebay are fake. Any seller selling multiples on ebay 2 years on is questionable. Best approach would be to buy from a trusted seller on this platform.
It's printed on newsprint which every screen printer uses on every print they do. They print on this ahead of printing onto expensive paper. Its pretty much the same stuff wherever you go so you can't differentiate the paper. It will all go yellow eventually. Regarding the black you can get differences in the original related to pressure, screen flooding, amount of medium mixed in etc so again not a definitive. Re the specs etc, you only need an hi res pic or an original to create a positive exactly the same so image if not definitive either and even the real ones could have some smudges, extra flecks etc. Ummm. Trying to be helpful here. I've seen fakes and they are easy to spot. There were not 10's of thousands of these given out so unless there is a good provenance story too, my guess the majority on ebay are fake. Any seller selling multiples on ebay 2 years on is questionable. Best approach would be to buy from a trusted seller on this platform.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by iamzero on Jan 15, 2022 11:04:46 GMT 1, I have more than twoโฆ so again this isnโt definitive advice.
I have more than twoโฆ so again this isnโt definitive advice.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Fairxat on Jan 15, 2022 11:27:58 GMT 1, Hardly anyone wanted these when they were ยฃ100 on eBay while the event was on, as soon as they skyrocketed, the mad rush to seek
Hardly anyone wanted these when they were ยฃ100 on eBay while the event was on, as soon as they skyrocketed, the mad rush to seek
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by avec art on Jan 15, 2022 12:07:31 GMT 1, We can expect this happening.. but really disappointed to hear that the person is a member of this forum!
I concur, this one looked very fake. If the seller is on here, I hope they will find reason to change their ways
We can expect this happening.. but really disappointed to hear that the person is a member of this forum!
I concur, this one looked very fake. If the seller is on here, I hope they will find reason to change their ways
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by samfrost on Jan 15, 2022 20:36:37 GMT 1, I have more than twoโฆ so again this isnโt definitive advice.
Ditto. For those of us across the pond, fleabay was the only way to get one. I was fortunate enough to acquire a couple as well in the immediate chaos and confusion of the initial "drop".
I have more than twoโฆ so again this isnโt definitive advice. Ditto. For those of us across the pond, fleabay was the only way to get one. I was fortunate enough to acquire a couple as well in the immediate chaos and confusion of the initial "drop".
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by theartemotion on Feb 5, 2022 17:29:50 GMT 1, ***SOLD***
***SOLD***
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by theartemotion on Feb 9, 2022 17:25:56 GMT 1, GDP RAT PRICE DROP TO ยฃ1,700
GDP RAT PRICE DROP TO ยฃ1,700
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by The Greased Piglet on Feb 9, 2022 22:56:11 GMT 1, These are a grand max
These are a grand max
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Modern Rembrandt on Feb 9, 2022 23:10:10 GMT 1, I really want one of these, but this seems expensive?
Donโt get me wrong, not trying to derail the post. Iโm just curious what the general consensus is regarding pricing?
I really want one of these, but this seems expensive?
Donโt get me wrong, not trying to derail the post. Iโm just curious what the general consensus is regarding pricing?
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by iamzero on Feb 9, 2022 23:27:31 GMT 1, There are sellers that are gonna have regrets at selling these prints especially at these prices.
There are sellers that are gonna have regrets at selling these prints especially at these prices.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by theartemotion on Feb 12, 2022 13:18:10 GMT 1, I really want one of these, but this seems expensive? Donโt get me wrong, not trying to derail the post. Iโm just curious what the general consensus is regarding pricing? I recognise these have flat lined at the moment on price (the usual peaks and troughs). Looking at the market 1,700 looks fair, what do others think? I'm always willing to negotiate within reason if someone really wants to close a deal. So make me an offer peeps!
I really want one of these, but this seems expensive? Donโt get me wrong, not trying to derail the post. Iโm just curious what the general consensus is regarding pricing? I recognise these have flat lined at the moment on price (the usual peaks and troughs). Looking at the market 1,700 looks fair, what do others think? I'm always willing to negotiate within reason if someone really wants to close a deal. So make me an offer peeps!
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by theartemotion on Feb 12, 2022 21:25:49 GMT 1, Would be a bargain at that price buddy.
Would be a bargain at that price buddy.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by The Greased Piglet on Feb 13, 2022 12:38:48 GMT 1, Would be a bargain at that price buddy. Not really
Would be a bargain at that price buddy. Not really
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by The Greased Piglet on Feb 13, 2022 12:39:35 GMT 1, As I said a grand max
As I said a grand max
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by jjplay on Feb 13, 2022 13:46:45 GMT 1, You missed the one sold on ebay on 11 Jan for ยฃ1499.
You missed the one sold on ebay on 11 Jan for ยฃ1499.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by inefficiencyof on Feb 13, 2022 14:36:18 GMT 1, You missed the one sold on ebay on 11 Jan for ยฃ1499.
But that wouldnโt help their agenda ๐
Like someone else said, peaks and troughs, as with all other Banksy ephemeral items. If only considering this within its monetary value, I feel these will easily be more valuable in the future. The recent spate of awful fraudulent copies of all posters have certainly had an impact, but still some lovey entry pieces for collectors.
You missed the one sold on ebay on 11 Jan for ยฃ1499. But that wouldnโt help their agenda ๐ Like someone else said, peaks and troughs, as with all other Banksy ephemeral items. If only considering this within its monetary value, I feel these will easily be more valuable in the future. The recent spate of awful fraudulent copies of all posters have certainly had an impact, but still some lovey entry pieces for collectors.
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