[jam]

pezlow said:

POS?

Sorry... Piece of Shite

[pezlow]

Lol ok

Is there any truth to the rumour that Obama has also countersigned these prints? I find that hard to believe.

[mcnuts]

jam said:

Hillary is a POS... she will never win.

jam's a no holds barred straight shooter.

[Winter]

Surely he's too busy to sit and sign 350 prints. I know nothing about the US election at the moment. Could someone summarise?

[Gentle Mental]

obama is bros while hillary is hoes

bros before hoes

hence obama wins

[Gentle Mental]

gentlemental said:

obama is bros while hillary is hoes

bros before hoes

hence obama wins

to illustrate -



think that's all you need to know about America and its politics...

[mcnuts]

sold out

[Macdeee]

Sold out before America wakes up... Kinda funny.

[Winter]

They're gonna be mad!

[melmoth]

Yes, I am. Fairey has lost his marbles this year. The Philharmonic, Peace Bomber, Vote! and Obama sales have all been total shambles. Why on earth would you release a print which is only relevant to the US market at a time when most of them are asleep?

Also, a brief summary on the US election. The likely Democratic and Republican nominees at this point at Clinton and McCain respectively. Obama is a very strong candidate, but the US just isn't ready to go down the road of electing a black president. Clinton is seen as a more 'viable' choice. The main challenger to McCain is Romney, and he won't get through because he's a Mormon.

The ironic thing is that McCain is more liberal than Clinton in many respects, for example, amnesty to illegal immigrants. It would not surprise me at all if McCain ultimately won. Clinton is a very divisive figure, and the recent hardball politics displayed by her husband recently is not helping at all.

[artso]

Comical........what a joke.......am I missing something here......how many Europeans are voting for Obama...this is tooo much....

[buffin]

melmoth said:

Yes, I am. Fairey has lost his marbles this year. The Philharmonic, Peace Bomber, Vote! and Obama sales have all been total shambles. Why on earth would you release a print which is only relevant to the US market at a time when most of them are asleep?

Also, a brief summary on the US election. The likely Democratic and Republican nominees at this point at Clinton and McCain respectively. Obama is a very strong candidate, but the US just isn't ready to go down the road of electing a black president. Clinton is seen as a more 'viable' choice. The main challenger to McCain is Romney, and he won't get through because he's a Mormon.

The ironic thing is that McCain is more liberal than Clinton in many respects, for example, amnesty to illegal immigrants. It would not surprise me at all if McCain ultimately won. Clinton is a very divisive figure, and the recent hardball politics displayed by her husband recently is not helping at all.

Thanks for that Melmoth. Very interesting but also very sad that colour (color) and religion and not policies play such a big part in electing the President.

[cpo]

I am really in search of this print. I'm an Obama supporter, from illinois and perplexed why they released them in the middle of the night for us.

if someone bought one just because it's a fairey and would be willing to pass it on, please let me know. I'll cover all the costs and shipping and would be very grateful.

I doubt i have anything to trade, so it would be a cash deal..

thanks,

CPO

[melmoth]

The McCain/ Romney one is interesting. McCain is what is known as a RINO in the US (Republican In Name Only). Romney is the clear conservative choice, and should be the candidate that the 'Christian Right' gets behind. But they just won't do it. They may change their mind now on 'Super Tuesday' (February 5th) on seeing that McCain is the front runner, but McCain now has the momentum. It may be just too late at this point.

February 5th will really clarify the situation for both parties.

[pagerage]

i am behind CPO if any of you guys want to sell or trade yours to a chicago democrat

[mose]

melmoth said:

The McCain/ Romney one is interesting. McCain is what is known as a RINO in the US (Republican In Name Only). Romney is the clear conservative choice, and should be the candidate that the 'Christian Right' gets behind. But they just won't do it. They may change their mind now on 'Super Tuesday' (February 5th) on seeing that McCain is the front runner, but McCain now has the momentum. It may be just too late at this point.

February 5th will really clarify the situation for both parties.

You can't mention Romney without the Mormon issue. The 'Christian Right' and the LDS Church, historically, just don't mix very well.

buffin said:

very sad that colour (color) and religion and not policies play such a big part in electing the President.

I think you are looking at it a bit too simply. Color and religion play a big part not only in the 'point at the bigot' type of way but also due to their influence on candidates' personal beliefs, which influence their policies.

[leumasdarnley]

Romney is the only decent Conservative Choice at least he was a Governor of Massachusetts balanced the budget for the state something that hadn't been done in like 40 years. Obama doesn't have the experience for the position lets face it senators just don't have the responsibilities that a Governor has. But from a political point of view if Clinton is the Democrat's choice she will lose because MANY of Obama's supporters wont support her. Thats a W for the Republicans IMO.

I do wish the religious right would go away and start there own party and stop leaching into the Conservative ticket its getting old and as a Fiscal Conservative and business owner I feel that religion has nothing to do with the party has to do with business policies.

Ok now back to lunch I am done ranting

[melmoth]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Edwards' supporters now that he's dropped out. As a 'change' candidate, they should go to Obama rather than Clinton, or at least in enough numbers to make an impact.

Rudy dropping out is further bad news for Romney, as he's going to endorse McCain I believe.

[melmoth]

mose said:

melmoth said:

The McCain/ Romney one is interesting. McCain is what is known as a RINO in the US (Republican In Name Only). Romney is the clear conservative choice, and should be the candidate that the 'Christian Right' gets behind. But they just won't do it. They may change their mind now on 'Super Tuesday' (February 5th) on seeing that McCain is the front runner, but McCain now has the momentum. It may be just too late at this point.

February 5th will really clarify the situation for both parties.

You can't mention Romney without the Mormon issue. The 'Christian Right' and the LDS Church, historically, just don't mix very well.

Exactly. If Romney wasn't a Mormon, he would be the Rep candidate in all likelihood.

[buffin]

Print is up again on the site

[melmoth]

For those of you that did pick this up, it's currently going for crazy prices on ebay:

www.Expressobeans/public/detail.php/71959

Don't all rush at once now ;D

[melmoth]

Due to the prices these are going for on the secondary market, it looks like refunds are on the way. This was just posted on thegiant.org by someone at Obey:

Adressing the entire issue:

This is not the first time that a situation like this has came about. We find it as dissapointing as many of you. We work to uphold Shepard's philosophy of making prints available to everyone, not only those who can afford to buy in the secondary market. We do not like having to monitor ebay auctions, and so forth to try to put a stop to those who buy strictly to make a profit. We are working to come up with other alternatives so that in the future we do not have to waste our time and yours.

We are seriously considering refunding everyone and selling them privately. Or refunding everyone in the area of past or present auctions including but not limited to the UK, Los Angeles, Denver, and Hawaii.

The full thread is here:

forum.thegiant.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9099&start=775

[Michael Jacob]

the prices are crazy! theres one at over $1500 with over 2 days to go!

[melmoth]

Well, one went for $1800 tonight. It's all going to be a moot point what they're going for soon though I think.

[jam]

While I do see where Obey is coming from regarding the flippers, you have to admit the whole thing could be spun into a great news story about the demand for Obey & Obama stuff if they took hold and ran with it to different media outlets.

[pezlow]

melmoth said:

Due to the prices these are going for on the secondary market, it looks like refunds are on the way. This was just posted on thegiant.org by someone at Obey:

Adressing the entire issue:

This is not the first time that a situation like this has came about. We find it as dissapointing as many of you. We work to uphold Shepard's philosophy of making prints available to everyone, not only those who can afford to buy in the secondary market. We do not like having to monitor ebay auctions, and so forth to try to put a stop to those who buy strictly to make a profit. We are working to come up with other alternatives so that in the future we do not have to waste our time and yours.

We are seriously considering refunding everyone and selling them privately. Or refunding everyone in the area of past or present auctions including but not limited to the UK, Los Angeles, Denver, and Hawaii.

The full thread is here:

forum.thegiant.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9099&start=775

So they are going to refund the orders from a WHOLE COUNTRY of 54 million people because of some flippers. If that happens I am finally done with Shep.

[buffin]

and how many have sold from the UK Pez? Can't be more than a couple?

[welshboy]

C**p

[pezlow]

buffin said:

and how many have sold from the UK Pez? Can't be more than a couple?

It's certainly the case that many more have been flipped by our US friends.

If shep wants to investigate more closely then it is quite easy. One of the ones sold in the UK has item location listed as Brighton. It should be fairly easy to check his records. If he has only one Brighton buyer then there is the answer. Refund him. But don't refund the whole country.

[sausageboonwee]

Cracking a nut with a sledgehammer. The link only says they are seriously considering refunds. I guess people will have to wait and see.