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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Rouen Cathedral on Jan 19, 2018 22:02:50 GMT 1, To me that box IS banksy. Not some polished âsculptureâ. Some make the argument that the recent big large scale politically important works are his best and heâs getting better and better. I disagree. His identity gets lost in those in my opinion. This box is a perfect example of that and to me shows his greatness as an artist. The sculpture as art is trash compared to that box. Well I didnt see that coming !!  those books really opened your eyes.
Haha I always thought he was a great artist. Long before I joined this site. However people see any negative comments and tend to get stuck on it. Unfortunately criticism canât seem to be taken these days rationally.
To me that box IS banksy. Not some polished âsculptureâ. Some make the argument that the recent big large scale politically important works are his best and heâs getting better and better. I disagree. His identity gets lost in those in my opinion. This box is a perfect example of that and to me shows his greatness as an artist. The sculpture as art is trash compared to that box. Well I didnt see that coming !!  those books really opened your eyes. Haha I always thought he was a great artist. Long before I joined this site. However people see any negative comments and tend to get stuck on it. Unfortunately criticism canât seem to be taken these days rationally. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Pysgod on Jan 19, 2018 22:07:27 GMT 1, Well I didnt see that coming !! those books really opened your eyes. Haha I always thought he was a great artist. Long before I joined this site. However people see any negative comments and tend to get stuck on it. Unfortunately criticism canât seem to be taken these days rationally.
lol Come on now ! you first came on here claiming bambi was highly collectible, profitable and on par with banksy 
Well I didnt see that coming !! those books really opened your eyes. Haha I always thought he was a great artist. Long before I joined this site. However people see any negative comments and tend to get stuck on it. Unfortunately criticism canât seem to be taken these days rationally. lol Come on now ! you first came on here claiming bambi was highly collectible, profitable and on par with banksy |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Rouen Cathedral on Jan 19, 2018 22:41:42 GMT 1, Haha I always thought he was a great artist. Long before I joined this site. However people see any negative comments and tend to get stuck on it. Unfortunately criticism canât seem to be taken these days rationally. lol Come on now ! you first came on here claiming bambi was highly collectible, profitable and on par with banksyÂ
FAKE NEWS! :-)
I really only claimed she was better then people like to admit. Haha
Haha I always thought he was a great artist. Long before I joined this site. However people see any negative comments and tend to get stuck on it. Unfortunately criticism canât seem to be taken these days rationally. lol Come on now ! you first came on here claiming bambi was highly collectible, profitable and on par with banksy FAKE NEWS! :-) I really only claimed she was better then people like to admit. Haha |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by tab1 on Jan 21, 2018 5:20:47 GMT 1,
Wow
If the list was used to select buyers
Ie the first visitors to the hotel had to leave details to have a chance of buying , they must of had to pass down the list as most people would not of expected ÂŁ48000
Cardboard box prob would be ÂŁ40000 on secondary market
Wow If the list was used to select buyers Ie the first visitors to the hotel had to leave details to have a chance of buying , they must of had to pass down the list as most people would not of expected ÂŁ48000 Cardboard box prob would be ÂŁ40000 on secondary market |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by moron on Jan 21, 2018 13:09:17 GMT 1, The box is typical Banksy gimmicky which is what Banksy is known for. The hook has the real message about how the Christians have been herded to live in a ghetto created by Israel. Their only escape to climb over the wall and risk death.
Wonder if Banksy sent the Pope one of these hooks?
The box is typical Banksy gimmicky which is what Banksy is known for. The hook has the real message about how the Christians have been herded to live in a ghetto created by Israel. Their only escape to climb over the wall and risk death.
Wonder if Banksy sent the Pope one of these hooks?
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Rouen Cathedral on Jan 21, 2018 13:30:07 GMT 1, The box is typical Banksy gimmicky which is what Banksy is known for. The hook has the real message about how the Christians have been herded to live in a ghetto created by Israel. Their only escape to climb over the wall and risk death. Wonder if Banksy sent the Pope one of these hooks?
Sure the message is big.
But this leads to an important question. Just because a work of art has a important or power message does that make it good art?
The box is typical Banksy gimmicky which is what Banksy is known for. The hook has the real message about how the Christians have been herded to live in a ghetto created by Israel. Their only escape to climb over the wall and risk death. Wonder if Banksy sent the Pope one of these hooks? Sure the message is big. But this leads to an important question. Just because a work of art has a important or power message does that make it good art? |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by moron on Jan 21, 2018 13:37:24 GMT 1, The box is typical Banksy gimmicky which is what Banksy is known for. The hook has the real message about how the Christians have been herded to live in a ghetto created by Israel. Their only escape to climb over the wall and risk death. Wonder if Banksy sent the Pope one of these hooks? Sure the message is big. But this leads to an important question. Just because a work of art has a important or power message does that make it good art?
It's all a racket and mostly revolves around bullshit and pseudo importance as in the case of many big name artists long dead and also alive.
The box is typical Banksy gimmicky which is what Banksy is known for. The hook has the real message about how the Christians have been herded to live in a ghetto created by Israel. Their only escape to climb over the wall and risk death. Wonder if Banksy sent the Pope one of these hooks? Sure the message is big. But this leads to an important question. Just because a work of art has a important or power message does that make it good art? If it comes to investment and auction prices, the message means absolutely nothing regarding the amount of money people are prepared to invest in an artwork. It's all a racket and mostly revolves around bullshit and pseudo importance as in the case of many big name artists long dead and also alive. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Hairbland on Jan 21, 2018 14:00:20 GMT 1, This. That box is fantastic ! Thanks for posting To me that box IS banksy. Not some polished âsculptureâ. Some make the argument that the recent big large scale politically important works are his best and heâs getting better and better. I disagree. His identity gets lost in those in my opinion. This box is a perfect example of that and to me shows his greatness as an artist. The sculpture as art is trash compared to that box.
Interesting points, personally I feel without the sculpture there would be no box, I view the work as a whole, box and sculpture.
This. That box is fantastic ! Thanks for posting To me that box IS banksy. Not some polished âsculptureâ. Some make the argument that the recent big large scale politically important works are his best and heâs getting better and better. I disagree. His identity gets lost in those in my opinion. This box is a perfect example of that and to me shows his greatness as an artist. The sculpture as art is trash compared to that box. Interesting points, personally I feel without the sculpture there would be no box, I view the work as a whole, box and sculpture. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by rockbeer on Jan 21, 2018 14:09:34 GMT 1, The hook has the real message about how the Christians have been herded to live in a ghetto created by Israel. Their only escape to climb over the wall and risk death.
You seem a bit confused. Christians, as far as I know, haven't been herded into ghettos and aren't held captive in Israel. The wall is intended to keep people out rather than in. On the contrary, I think the Israeli government is delighted to see them goâparticularly the Palestinian Christians, who cause them a big headacheâand have implemented policies specifically designed to encourage them to leave. There seems to have been a massive fall off in the number of Christians in Israel over the last twenty years.
Besides, I might be wrong, but I really don't think the welfare of Israeli Christians is Banksy's main concern here.
I do think he's concerned with the ironies of the country that produced Christianity, the religion of love thy neighbour and do unto others, having become the centre of so much hatred and intolerance and violence.
As for the hook, I suspect it's mainly intended as a joke based on the idea of Jesus saying get me the hell out of hereâthat, and the shape of the crucifix lending it so well to the grappling hook application.
The hook has the real message about how the Christians have been herded to live in a ghetto created by Israel. Their only escape to climb over the wall and risk death. You seem a bit confused. Christians, as far as I know, haven't been herded into ghettos and aren't held captive in Israel. The wall is intended to keep people out rather than in. On the contrary, I think the Israeli government is delighted to see them goâparticularly the Palestinian Christians, who cause them a big headacheâand have implemented policies specifically designed to encourage them to leave. There seems to have been a massive fall off in the number of Christians in Israel over the last twenty years. Besides, I might be wrong, but I really don't think the welfare of Israeli Christians is Banksy's main concern here. I do think he's concerned with the ironies of the country that produced Christianity, the religion of love thy neighbour and do unto others, having become the centre of so much hatred and intolerance and violence. As for the hook, I suspect it's mainly intended as a joke based on the idea of Jesus saying get me the hell out of hereâthat, and the shape of the crucifix lending it so well to the grappling hook application. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by moron on Jan 21, 2018 14:13:26 GMT 1, The hook has the real message about how the Christians have been herded to live in a ghetto created by Israel. Their only escape to climb over the wall and risk death. You seem a bit confused. Christians, as far as I know, haven't been herded into ghettos and aren't held captive in Israel. The wall is intended to keep people out rather than in. On the contrary, I think the Israeli government is delighted to see them goâparticularly the Palestinian Christians, who cause them a big headacheâand have implemented policies specifically designed to encourage them to leave. There seems to have been a massive fall off in the number of Christians in Israel over the last twenty years. Besides, I might be wrong, but I really don't think the welfare of Israeli Christians is Banksy's main concern here. I do think he's concerned with the ironies of the country that produced Christianity, the religion of love thy neighbour and do unto others, having become the centre of so much hatred and intolerance and violence. As for the hook, I suspect it's mainly intended as a joke based on the idea of Jesus saying get me the hell out of hereâthat, and the shape of the crucifix lending it so well to the grappling hook application.
"Christians in Jerusalem Want Jews to Stop Spitting on Them"
www.haaretz.com/1.4715226
The hook has the real message about how the Christians have been herded to live in a ghetto created by Israel. Their only escape to climb over the wall and risk death. You seem a bit confused. Christians, as far as I know, haven't been herded into ghettos and aren't held captive in Israel. The wall is intended to keep people out rather than in. On the contrary, I think the Israeli government is delighted to see them goâparticularly the Palestinian Christians, who cause them a big headacheâand have implemented policies specifically designed to encourage them to leave. There seems to have been a massive fall off in the number of Christians in Israel over the last twenty years. Besides, I might be wrong, but I really don't think the welfare of Israeli Christians is Banksy's main concern here. I do think he's concerned with the ironies of the country that produced Christianity, the religion of love thy neighbour and do unto others, having become the centre of so much hatred and intolerance and violence. As for the hook, I suspect it's mainly intended as a joke based on the idea of Jesus saying get me the hell out of hereâthat, and the shape of the crucifix lending it so well to the grappling hook application. So Christians in Bethlehem are in no way oppressed by Israel? "Christians in Jerusalem Want Jews to Stop Spitting on Them"www.haaretz.com/1.4715226 |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by rockbeer on Jan 21, 2018 14:19:51 GMT 1, You seem a bit confused. Christians, as far as I know, haven't been herded into ghettos and aren't held captive in Israel. The wall is intended to keep people out rather than in. On the contrary, I think the Israeli government is delighted to see them goâparticularly the Palestinian Christians, who cause them a big headacheâand have implemented policies specifically designed to encourage them to leave. There seems to have been a massive fall off in the number of Christians in Israel over the last twenty years. Besides, I might be wrong, but I really don't think the welfare of Israeli Christians is Banksy's main concern here. I do think he's concerned with the ironies of the country that produced Christianity, the religion of love thy neighbour and do unto others, having become the centre of so much hatred and intolerance and violence. As for the hook, I suspect it's mainly intended as a joke based on the idea of Jesus saying get me the hell out of hereâthat, and the shape of the crucifix lending it so well to the grappling hook application. So Christians in Bethlehem are in no way oppressed by Israel?
I didn't say that. I said I don't believe they're being herded into ghettos or held captive, and I don't believe their welfare is Banksy's primary concern regarding the grappling hook.
The Israeli government constantly tries to divide Palestinian Christians from Muslim Palestiniansâwithout much success, it has to be saidâby promoting the idea that Muslims are hostile to both Jews and Christians. So I think it's true to say both that Christians in Bethlehem are less oppressed than Muslims, and that Banksy's primary concern is for the oppressed Muslim communities.
If you'd like me to repeat myself again, just ask.
You seem a bit confused. Christians, as far as I know, haven't been herded into ghettos and aren't held captive in Israel. The wall is intended to keep people out rather than in. On the contrary, I think the Israeli government is delighted to see them goâparticularly the Palestinian Christians, who cause them a big headacheâand have implemented policies specifically designed to encourage them to leave. There seems to have been a massive fall off in the number of Christians in Israel over the last twenty years. Besides, I might be wrong, but I really don't think the welfare of Israeli Christians is Banksy's main concern here. I do think he's concerned with the ironies of the country that produced Christianity, the religion of love thy neighbour and do unto others, having become the centre of so much hatred and intolerance and violence. As for the hook, I suspect it's mainly intended as a joke based on the idea of Jesus saying get me the hell out of hereâthat, and the shape of the crucifix lending it so well to the grappling hook application. So Christians in Bethlehem are in no way oppressed by Israel? *Sigh* I didn't say that. I said I don't believe they're being herded into ghettos or held captive, and I don't believe their welfare is Banksy's primary concern regarding the grappling hook. The Israeli government constantly tries to divide Palestinian Christians from Muslim Palestiniansâwithout much success, it has to be saidâby promoting the idea that Muslims are hostile to both Jews and Christians. So I think it's true to say both that Christians in Bethlehem are less oppressed than Muslims, and that Banksy's primary concern is for the oppressed Muslim communities. If you'd like me to repeat myself again, just ask. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 20:17:28 GMT 1,
First pic, I am trying to understand, anyone help?
Second pic, like it
third pic- water to wine?
First pic, I am trying to understand, anyone help? Second pic, like it third pic- water to wine? |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by moron on Jan 23, 2018 12:11:36 GMT 1, First pic, I am trying to understand, anyone help? Second pic, like it third pic- water to wine?
First pic, I am trying to understand, anyone help? Second pic, like it third pic- water to wine? First pic looks the sort of thing Del Naja would paint. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by moron on Jan 23, 2018 12:26:50 GMT 1, So Christians in Bethlehem are in no way oppressed by Israel? *Sigh* I didn't say that. I said I don't believe they're being herded into ghettos or held captive, and I don't believe their welfare is Banksy's primary concern regarding the grappling hook. The Israeli government constantly tries to divide Palestinian Christians from Muslim Palestiniansâwithout much success, it has to be saidâby promoting the idea that Muslims are hostile to both Jews and Christians. So I think it's true to say both that Christians in Bethlehem are less oppressed than Muslims, and that Banksy's primary concern is for the oppressed Muslim communities. If you'd like me to repeat myself again, just ask.
Historically the most opressed have been Christians. Considering the fact that Christianity in the middle east had hundreds of years head start on Islam. There are now very few Christians remaining in that region compared with other "mainstream" religions. We all know the reason for that and it has nothing to do with democratic values. Religion enables smart people to do stupid things.
Banksy has focused on Bethlehem, Christian iconography and got involved in the nativity at xmas with Danny Boyle. So it looks to me his main priority is exposing the way Israel treats Christians, not forgetting how Israel treats Palestinians of all religions overall. i'm sure there are a few athiests living there too who feel trapped by Israel just because they have the wrong passport.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/gaza-borders_n_5630811.html
Israel prevents Palestinian woman from leaving Gaza for cancer treatment
www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?ID=773308
Burning of Christian churches in Israel justified, far-Right Jewish leader says
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11786802/Burning-of-Christian-churches-in-Israel-justified-far-Right-Jewish-leader-says.html
Jerusalem for sale: Christians fight church land transfer to settlers
#Occupation
www.middleeasteye.net/news/schism-jerusalem-palestinian-christians-pledge-fight-sale-church-lands-1390795373
Orthodox patriarch: âJewish settlersâ threat to Christian presence in Holy Land
In opinion piece published in UK Guardian newspaper, Theophilos III says Jewish takeover of two Old City buildings main threat to entire Christian population
www.timesofisrael.com/orthodox-patriarch-jewish-settlers-threat-to-christian-presence-in-holy-land/
So Christians in Bethlehem are in no way oppressed by Israel? *Sigh* I didn't say that. I said I don't believe they're being herded into ghettos or held captive, and I don't believe their welfare is Banksy's primary concern regarding the grappling hook. The Israeli government constantly tries to divide Palestinian Christians from Muslim Palestiniansâwithout much success, it has to be saidâby promoting the idea that Muslims are hostile to both Jews and Christians. So I think it's true to say both that Christians in Bethlehem are less oppressed than Muslims, and that Banksy's primary concern is for the oppressed Muslim communities. If you'd like me to repeat myself again, just ask. Globally many people are opressed by primitive cultural values. Castro opressed the Cubans. Iran opresses the Persians. Historically the most opressed have been Christians. Considering the fact that Christianity in the middle east had hundreds of years head start on Islam. There are now very few Christians remaining in that region compared with other "mainstream" religions. We all know the reason for that and it has nothing to do with democratic values. Religion enables smart people to do stupid things. Banksy has focused on Bethlehem, Christian iconography and got involved in the nativity at xmas with Danny Boyle. So it looks to me his main priority is exposing the way Israel treats Christians, not forgetting how Israel treats Palestinians of all religions overall. i'm sure there are a few athiests living there too who feel trapped by Israel just because they have the wrong passport. www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/gaza-borders_n_5630811.htmlIsrael prevents Palestinian woman from leaving Gaza for cancer treatment
www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?ID=773308
Burning of Christian churches in Israel justified, far-Right Jewish leader says
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11786802/Burning-of-Christian-churches-in-Israel-justified-far-Right-Jewish-leader-says.html
Jerusalem for sale: Christians fight church land transfer to settlers
#Occupation
www.middleeasteye.net/news/schism-jerusalem-palestinian-christians-pledge-fight-sale-church-lands-1390795373
Orthodox patriarch: âJewish settlersâ threat to Christian presence in Holy Land
In opinion piece published in UK Guardian newspaper, Theophilos III says Jewish takeover of two Old City buildings main threat to entire Christian population
www.timesofisrael.com/orthodox-patriarch-jewish-settlers-threat-to-christian-presence-in-holy-land/
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 10:34:18 GMT 1, There's always Imbue   What for WCP?
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by iamzero on Mar 9, 2019 20:26:19 GMT 1, ÂŁ28k return. Wow. I thought this would hit double cost at least.
ÂŁ28k return. Wow. I thought this would hit double cost at least.
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by nughound on Mar 9, 2019 20:42:45 GMT 1, ÂŁ28k return. Wow. I thought this would hit double cost at least.
ÂŁ28k return. Wow. I thought this would hit double cost at least. Personally was kind of hoping the rope would combust upon hammer falling |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by mose on Mar 10, 2019 1:50:15 GMT 1, ÂŁ28k return. Wow. I thought this would hit double cost at least.
Can't figure it like that. It didn't meet reserve, any bids are just phantoms because no money actually changed hands. Bids could have been from potential buyers, or Mr. Chandelier, but in any case they are meaningless.
There is no return as there was no sale.
ÂŁ28k return. Wow. I thought this would hit double cost at least. Can't figure it like that. It didn't meet reserve, any bids are just phantoms because no money actually changed hands. Bids could have been from potential buyers, or Mr. Chandelier, but in any case they are meaningless. There is no return as there was no sale. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by moron on Mar 11, 2019 0:02:44 GMT 1, Maybe it would have done better at Sotheby's even with Sotheby's lower estimate?
I think there could be collectors or investors who are put off by the subject matter of the crucifix seeing it as anti Israel, ergo anti semitic. It is political and it does have a very strong symbolic message attached. There is also the fact that when Banksy released this ltd edition. It received no press attention as compared to his stencils on walls. Who knows if collectors view walled off origin stuff by Banksy differently to his art in the streets of Europe and the US in a similar way that Hirst investors prefer his paintings to his pickled herrings and dead cats etc.
If Banksy had made a few of these grappling hook crucifixes and chucked one over a church wall with a stencil of a choirboy using it to escape a bishop with a boner and sold a few in an edition i'm sure chuckles all round it would have flown high in a saleroom for massive amounts of money.
Collectors can be very finicky and in a similar way that some Banksy fans framed his visit Historic Palestine print and hid the text under a mount for obvious reasons. Collectors investors would probably avoid bidding on this crucifix for similar reasons.
Better luck next time.
Maybe it would have done better at Sotheby's even with Sotheby's lower estimate?
I think there could be collectors or investors who are put off by the subject matter of the crucifix seeing it as anti Israel, ergo anti semitic. It is political and it does have a very strong symbolic message attached. There is also the fact that when Banksy released this ltd edition. It received no press attention as compared to his stencils on walls. Who knows if collectors view walled off origin stuff by Banksy differently to his art in the streets of Europe and the US in a similar way that Hirst investors prefer his paintings to his pickled herrings and dead cats etc.
If Banksy had made a few of these grappling hook crucifixes and chucked one over a church wall with a stencil of a choirboy using it to escape a bishop with a boner and sold a few in an edition i'm sure chuckles all round it would have flown high in a saleroom for massive amounts of money.
Collectors can be very finicky and in a similar way that some Banksy fans framed his visit Historic Palestine print and hid the text under a mount for obvious reasons. Collectors investors would probably avoid bidding on this crucifix for similar reasons.
Better luck next time.
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by bestdj777 on Mar 11, 2019 1:30:21 GMT 1, Maybe it would have done better at Sotheby's even with Sotheby's lower estimate? I think there could be collectors or investors who are put off by the subject matter of the crucifix seeing it as anti Israel, ergo anti semitic. It is political and it does have a very strong symbolic message attached. There is also the fact that when Banksy released this ltd edition. It received no press attention as compared to his stencils on walls. Who knows if collectors view walled off origin stuff by Banksy differently to his art in the streets of Europe and the US in a similar way that Hirst investors prefer his paintings to his pickled herrings and dead cats etc. If Banksy had made a few of these grappling hook crucifixes and chucked one over a church wall with a stencil of a choirboy using it to escape a bishop with a boner and sold a few in an edition i'm sure chuckles all round it would have flown high in a saleroom for massive amounts of money. Collectors can be very finicky and in a similar way that some Banksy fans framed his visit Historic Palestine print and hid the text under a mount for obvious reasons. Collectors investors would probably avoid bidding on this crucifix for similar reasons. Better luck next time.
Agreed 100%. I have one of the box sets but, although I thought about it, couldnât bring myself to hang the Palestine poster in a mixed (Jewish/Catholic) household. Some of Banskyâs works are just a little too political for some people, myself included.
Maybe it would have done better at Sotheby's even with Sotheby's lower estimate? I think there could be collectors or investors who are put off by the subject matter of the crucifix seeing it as anti Israel, ergo anti semitic. It is political and it does have a very strong symbolic message attached. There is also the fact that when Banksy released this ltd edition. It received no press attention as compared to his stencils on walls. Who knows if collectors view walled off origin stuff by Banksy differently to his art in the streets of Europe and the US in a similar way that Hirst investors prefer his paintings to his pickled herrings and dead cats etc. If Banksy had made a few of these grappling hook crucifixes and chucked one over a church wall with a stencil of a choirboy using it to escape a bishop with a boner and sold a few in an edition i'm sure chuckles all round it would have flown high in a saleroom for massive amounts of money. Collectors can be very finicky and in a similar way that some Banksy fans framed his visit Historic Palestine print and hid the text under a mount for obvious reasons. Collectors investors would probably avoid bidding on this crucifix for similar reasons. Better luck next time. Agreed 100%. I have one of the box sets but, although I thought about it, couldnât bring myself to hang the Palestine poster in a mixed (Jewish/Catholic) household. Some of Banskyâs works are just a little too political for some people, myself included. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Carl Cashman on Mar 11, 2019 7:18:10 GMT 1, Maybe it would have done better at Sotheby's even with Sotheby's lower estimate? I think there could be collectors or investors who are put off by the subject matter of the crucifix seeing it as anti Israel, ergo anti semitic. It is political and it does have a very strong symbolic message attached. There is also the fact that when Banksy released this ltd edition. It received no press attention as compared to his stencils on walls. Who knows if collectors view walled off origin stuff by Banksy differently to his art in the streets of Europe and the US in a similar way that Hirst investors prefer his paintings to his pickled herrings and dead cats etc. If Banksy had made a few of these grappling hook crucifixes and chucked one over a church wall with a stencil of a choirboy using it to escape a bishop with a boner and sold a few in an edition i'm sure chuckles all round it would have flown high in a saleroom for massive amounts of money. Collectors can be very finicky and in a similar way that some Banksy fans framed his visit Historic Palestine print and hid the text under a mount for obvious reasons. Collectors investors would probably avoid bidding on this crucifix for similar reasons. Better luck next time.
Maybe it would have done better at Sotheby's even with Sotheby's lower estimate? I think there could be collectors or investors who are put off by the subject matter of the crucifix seeing it as anti Israel, ergo anti semitic. It is political and it does have a very strong symbolic message attached. There is also the fact that when Banksy released this ltd edition. It received no press attention as compared to his stencils on walls. Who knows if collectors view walled off origin stuff by Banksy differently to his art in the streets of Europe and the US in a similar way that Hirst investors prefer his paintings to his pickled herrings and dead cats etc. If Banksy had made a few of these grappling hook crucifixes and chucked one over a church wall with a stencil of a choirboy using it to escape a bishop with a boner and sold a few in an edition i'm sure chuckles all round it would have flown high in a saleroom for massive amounts of money. Collectors can be very finicky and in a similar way that some Banksy fans framed his visit Historic Palestine print and hid the text under a mount for obvious reasons. Collectors investors would probably avoid bidding on this crucifix for similar reasons. Better luck next time. I don't get how this piece can be even close to labelled as antisemitic, if he just released it from a UK event.. that wouldn't even be a suggestion. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 8:11:36 GMT 1, Maybe it would have done better at Sotheby's even with Sotheby's lower estimate? I think there could be collectors or investors who are put off by the subject matter of the crucifix seeing it as anti Israel, ergo anti semitic. It is political and it does have a very strong symbolic message attached. There is also the fact that when Banksy released this ltd edition. It received no press attention as compared to his stencils on walls. Who knows if collectors view walled off origin stuff by Banksy differently to his art in the streets of Europe and the US in a similar way that Hirst investors prefer his paintings to his pickled herrings and dead cats etc. If Banksy had made a few of these grappling hook crucifixes and chucked one over a church wall with a stencil of a choirboy using it to escape a bishop with a boner and sold a few in an edition i'm sure chuckles all round it would have flown high in a saleroom for massive amounts of money. Collectors can be very finicky and in a similar way that some Banksy fans framed his visit Historic Palestine print and hid the text under a mount for obvious reasons. Collectors investors would probably avoid bidding on this crucifix for similar reasons. Better luck next time. Agreed 100%. I have one of the box sets but, although I thought about it, couldnât bring myself to hang the Palestine poster in a mixed (Jewish/Catholic) household. Some of Banskyâs works are just a little too political for some people, myself included.
Long time Palestinian Supporter Graffitti Artist is too political for some people, Jesus wept....
Now back to my Daily Mail whilst watching Piers on GMTV..
Maybe it would have done better at Sotheby's even with Sotheby's lower estimate? I think there could be collectors or investors who are put off by the subject matter of the crucifix seeing it as anti Israel, ergo anti semitic. It is political and it does have a very strong symbolic message attached. There is also the fact that when Banksy released this ltd edition. It received no press attention as compared to his stencils on walls. Who knows if collectors view walled off origin stuff by Banksy differently to his art in the streets of Europe and the US in a similar way that Hirst investors prefer his paintings to his pickled herrings and dead cats etc. If Banksy had made a few of these grappling hook crucifixes and chucked one over a church wall with a stencil of a choirboy using it to escape a bishop with a boner and sold a few in an edition i'm sure chuckles all round it would have flown high in a saleroom for massive amounts of money. Collectors can be very finicky and in a similar way that some Banksy fans framed his visit Historic Palestine print and hid the text under a mount for obvious reasons. Collectors investors would probably avoid bidding on this crucifix for similar reasons. Better luck next time. Agreed 100%. I have one of the box sets but, although I thought about it, couldnât bring myself to hang the Palestine poster in a mixed (Jewish/Catholic) household. Some of Banskyâs works are just a little too political for some people, myself included. Long time Palestinian Supporter Graffitti Artist is too political for some people, Jesus wept.... Now back to my Daily Mail whilst watching Piers on GMTV.. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Carl Cashman on Mar 11, 2019 8:13:31 GMT 1, Maybe it would have done better at Sotheby's even with Sotheby's lower estimate? I think there could be collectors or investors who are put off by the subject matter of the crucifix seeing it as anti Israel, ergo anti semitic. It is political and it does have a very strong symbolic message attached. There is also the fact that when Banksy released this ltd edition. It received no press attention as compared to his stencils on walls. Who knows if collectors view walled off origin stuff by Banksy differently to his art in the streets of Europe and the US in a similar way that Hirst investors prefer his paintings to his pickled herrings and dead cats etc. If Banksy had made a few of these grappling hook crucifixes and chucked one over a church wall with a stencil of a choirboy using it to escape a bishop with a boner and sold a few in an edition i'm sure chuckles all round it would have flown high in a saleroom for massive amounts of money. Collectors can be very finicky and in a similar way that some Banksy fans framed his visit Historic Palestine print and hid the text under a mount for obvious reasons. Collectors investors would probably avoid bidding on this crucifix for similar reasons. Better luck next time. Agreed 100%. I have one of the box sets but, although I thought about it, couldnât bring myself to hang the Palestine poster in a mixed (Jewish/Catholic) household. Some of Banskyâs works are just a little too political for some people, myself included.
Maybe it would have done better at Sotheby's even with Sotheby's lower estimate? I think there could be collectors or investors who are put off by the subject matter of the crucifix seeing it as anti Israel, ergo anti semitic. It is political and it does have a very strong symbolic message attached. There is also the fact that when Banksy released this ltd edition. It received no press attention as compared to his stencils on walls. Who knows if collectors view walled off origin stuff by Banksy differently to his art in the streets of Europe and the US in a similar way that Hirst investors prefer his paintings to his pickled herrings and dead cats etc. If Banksy had made a few of these grappling hook crucifixes and chucked one over a church wall with a stencil of a choirboy using it to escape a bishop with a boner and sold a few in an edition i'm sure chuckles all round it would have flown high in a saleroom for massive amounts of money. Collectors can be very finicky and in a similar way that some Banksy fans framed his visit Historic Palestine print and hid the text under a mount for obvious reasons. Collectors investors would probably avoid bidding on this crucifix for similar reasons. Better luck next time. Agreed 100%. I have one of the box sets but, although I thought about it, couldnât bring myself to hang the Palestine poster in a mixed (Jewish/Catholic) household. Some of Banskyâs works are just a little too political for some people, myself included. What's so offensive about the word Palestine? |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 9:56:29 GMT 1, Agreed 100%. I have one of the box sets but, although I thought about it, couldnât bring myself to hang the Palestine poster in a mixed (Jewish/Catholic) household. Some of Banskyâs works are just a little too political for some people, myself included. Long time Palestinian Supporter Graffitti Artist is too political for some people, Jesus wept.... Now back to my Daily Mail whilst watching Piers on GMTV..
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Agreed 100%. I have one of the box sets but, although I thought about it, couldnât bring myself to hang the Palestine poster in a mixed (Jewish/Catholic) household. Some of Banskyâs works are just a little too political for some people, myself included. Long time Palestinian Supporter Graffitti Artist is too political for some people, Jesus wept.... Now back to my Daily Mail whilst watching Piers on GMTV.. Piers and Daily Wail Love a bit of hate and bile with my Tea in the morning |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by bestdj777 on Mar 11, 2019 11:34:31 GMT 1, Agreed 100%. I have one of the box sets but, although I thought about it, couldnât bring myself to hang the Palestine poster in a mixed (Jewish/Catholic) household. Some of Banskyâs works are just a little too political for some people, myself included. What's so offensive about the word Palestine?
Nothing is offensive about the word Palestine, about Palestine, or about the Palestinian people. The Palestine/Israel situation is incredibly complex and invokes some strong feelings on both sides. I live in the US where we currently have a ton of news articles about a Muslim politicianâs comments and how they are antisemetic (they are not) because they arenât always pro-Israel. My point was simply that some people, myself included, would prefer not to debate politics with everyone that walks through the door of their home and sees something, particularly on an issue like the Israel/Palestine conflict where I donât have enough knowledge to adequately or appropriately express a position (Iâve got a Save or Delete poster up because that is an issue I can discuss. On the same note, I wouldnât purchase or display any of his Tesco stuff because Iâm not familiar with Tesco.). That said, I do have a box set on the wall. When someone looks at it, I can explain all about the Walled Off Hotel, the effort to draw attention to the plight of the Palestinian people, etc. itâs a more subtle political piece.
I love Banksyâs work. I love that his hotel has brought awareness to the ongoing situation in PalestineâI donât think that I even knew about the wall before he drew attention to it. I can just see why some people wouldnât be interested in displaying some of his pieces.
Agreed 100%. I have one of the box sets but, although I thought about it, couldnât bring myself to hang the Palestine poster in a mixed (Jewish/Catholic) household. Some of Banskyâs works are just a little too political for some people, myself included. What's so offensive about the word Palestine? Nothing is offensive about the word Palestine, about Palestine, or about the Palestinian people. The Palestine/Israel situation is incredibly complex and invokes some strong feelings on both sides. I live in the US where we currently have a ton of news articles about a Muslim politicianâs comments and how they are antisemetic (they are not) because they arenât always pro-Israel. My point was simply that some people, myself included, would prefer not to debate politics with everyone that walks through the door of their home and sees something, particularly on an issue like the Israel/Palestine conflict where I donât have enough knowledge to adequately or appropriately express a position (Iâve got a Save or Delete poster up because that is an issue I can discuss. On the same note, I wouldnât purchase or display any of his Tesco stuff because Iâm not familiar with Tesco.). That said, I do have a box set on the wall. When someone looks at it, I can explain all about the Walled Off Hotel, the effort to draw attention to the plight of the Palestinian people, etc. itâs a more subtle political piece. I love Banksyâs work. I love that his hotel has brought awareness to the ongoing situation in PalestineâI donât think that I even knew about the wall before he drew attention to it. I can just see why some people wouldnât be interested in displaying some of his pieces. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Carl Cashman on Mar 11, 2019 12:19:54 GMT 1, What's so offensive about the word Palestine? Nothing is offensive about the word Palestine, about Palestine, or about the Palestinian people. The Palestine/Israel situation is incredibly complex and invokes some strong feelings on both sides. I live in the US where we currently have a ton of news articles about a Muslim politicianâs comments and how they are antisemetic (they are not) because they arenât always pro-Israel. My point was simply that some people, myself included, would prefer not to debate politics with everyone that walks through the door of their home and sees something, particularly on an issue like the Israel/Palestine conflict where I donât have enough knowledge to adequately or appropriately express a position (Iâve got a Save or Delete poster up because that is an issue I can discuss. On the same note, I wouldnât purchase or display any of his Tesco stuff because Iâm not familiar with Tesco.). That said, I do have a box set on the wall. When someone looks at it, I can explain all about the Walled Off Hotel, the effort to draw attention to the plight of the Palestinian people, etc. itâs a more subtle political piece. I love Banksyâs work. I love that his hotel has brought awareness to the ongoing situation in PalestineâI donât think that I even knew about the wall before he drew attention to it. I can just see why some people wouldnât be interested in displaying some of his pieces.
What's so offensive about the word Palestine? Nothing is offensive about the word Palestine, about Palestine, or about the Palestinian people. The Palestine/Israel situation is incredibly complex and invokes some strong feelings on both sides. I live in the US where we currently have a ton of news articles about a Muslim politicianâs comments and how they are antisemetic (they are not) because they arenât always pro-Israel. My point was simply that some people, myself included, would prefer not to debate politics with everyone that walks through the door of their home and sees something, particularly on an issue like the Israel/Palestine conflict where I donât have enough knowledge to adequately or appropriately express a position (Iâve got a Save or Delete poster up because that is an issue I can discuss. On the same note, I wouldnât purchase or display any of his Tesco stuff because Iâm not familiar with Tesco.). That said, I do have a box set on the wall. When someone looks at it, I can explain all about the Walled Off Hotel, the effort to draw attention to the plight of the Palestinian people, etc. itâs a more subtle political piece. I love Banksyâs work. I love that his hotel has brought awareness to the ongoing situation in PalestineâI donât think that I even knew about the wall before he drew attention to it. I can just see why some people wouldnât be interested in displaying some of his pieces. I guess the whole point of the Palestine work is to raise awareness and hope people find the time to find out info on the subject that they may not have known before. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by 19818914 on Mar 11, 2019 18:36:29 GMT 1, If I owned the Grappling Hook I would keep a stack of pamphlets directly below the work of art. Also, it doesnât have to be in direct view of everyone entering your home. I can think of 10 other rooms that it would be better suited for: the library, the game room, home office, pool house, the babyâs quarters, etc.
If I owned the Grappling Hook I would keep a stack of pamphlets directly below the work of art. Also, it doesnât have to be in direct view of everyone entering your home. I can think of 10 other rooms that it would be better suited for: the library, the game room, home office, pool house, the babyâs quarters, etc.
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