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Banksy Grappling Hook, by larsson on Dec 14, 2017 14:50:43 GMT 1, Congratulations to everyone invited to purchase the 'Crucifix Grappling Hook'. I was in the gift shop the morning after the announcement of 'official merchandise' including the Hook - and put my name on the list. No luck for me on this, Pejac's ship in a bottle, Sale Ends or either of the Invader drops - must do better next year.
However, I did get to meet Danny Boyle, enjoy the Alternativity, get a 'box set' - and have the pleasure of living and working in the West Bank.
Ps. If you can afford the Grappling Hook then I'd go for it - but can imagine it's a tough call to make.
Pps. If you're visiting the Walled Off next week - then Roger Walters is playing Bethlehem main square on Dec 22nd! Local band 'Apo and the Apostles' will be playing too - they're really great live.
Congratulations to everyone invited to purchase the 'Crucifix Grappling Hook'. I was in the gift shop the morning after the announcement of 'official merchandise' including the Hook - and put my name on the list. No luck for me on this, Pejac's ship in a bottle, Sale Ends or either of the Invader drops - must do better next year.
However, I did get to meet Danny Boyle, enjoy the Alternativity, get a 'box set' - and have the pleasure of living and working in the West Bank.
Ps. If you can afford the Grappling Hook then I'd go for it - but can imagine it's a tough call to make.
Pps. If you're visiting the Walled Off next week - then Roger Walters is playing Bethlehem main square on Dec 22nd! Local band 'Apo and the Apostles' will be playing too - they're really great live.
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by woodman on Dec 14, 2017 14:52:51 GMT 1, If you can afford it I would but it, if you have part of the costs I would get a few friends to chip in and get some contract sorted out to cover all bases.
Highflyer will be along in a minute to tell you the correct thing to do....
If you can afford it I would but it, if you have part of the costs I would get a few friends to chip in and get some contract sorted out to cover all bases.
Highflyer will be along in a minute to tell you the correct thing to do....
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 14, 2017 15:22:40 GMT 1, That’s ridiculous. Why the ridiculous price?
Selling to the rich VIPS I guess
That’s ridiculous. Why the ridiculous price?
Selling to the rich VIPS I guess
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 15:24:21 GMT 1, This is double Highflyers yearly salary, he cant really comment.
This is double Highflyers yearly salary, he cant really comment.
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Redbirds on Dec 14, 2017 15:26:28 GMT 1, My vote for quandary of the year -that decision would eat at my soul
My vote for quandary of the year -that decision would eat at my soul
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by londonfx on Dec 14, 2017 15:32:04 GMT 1, To cut down costs. It’ll prob be easier/cheaper to just go to the hotel stay there for a night and bring the hook back in person
To cut down costs. It’ll prob be easier/cheaper to just go to the hotel stay there for a night and bring the hook back in person
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Carl Cashman on Dec 14, 2017 15:36:30 GMT 1, To cut down costs. It’ll prob be easier/cheaper to just go to the hotel stay there for a night and bring the hook back in person
To cut down costs. It’ll prob be easier/cheaper to just go to the hotel stay there for a night and bring the hook back in person if people thought naming bethlehem as ur trip destination caused issues.. I cant wait until someone trys that |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 15:39:28 GMT 1, Okay... it's a Banksy... but 40k + Shipping + 19% VAT in Germany ?! Wow... The PEJAC sculpture for 2.3k seems a steal compared to this price tag... Hard decision... I would also follow cyberkid's advice...
People wont care about Pejac in a years time, Banksy i'm pretty sure they will for decades.
Okay... it's a Banksy... but 40k + Shipping + 19% VAT in Germany ?! Wow... The PEJAC sculpture for 2.3k seems a steal compared to this price tag... Hard decision... I would also follow cyberkid's advice... There is zero comparison between Pejac and Banksy. People wont care about Pejac in a years time, Banksy i'm pretty sure they will for decades. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Happy Shopper on Dec 14, 2017 15:39:42 GMT 1, To cut down costs. It’ll prob be easier/cheaper to just go to the hotel stay there for a night and bring the hook back in person
I'd assume these are being sent out from London.
It would be an interesting item to import or export through Israel. 
To cut down costs. It’ll prob be easier/cheaper to just go to the hotel stay there for a night and bring the hook back in person I'd assume these are being sent out from London. It would be an interesting item to import or export through Israel. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by streetartger on Dec 14, 2017 16:19:25 GMT 1, Okay... it's a Banksy... but 40k + Shipping + 19% VAT in Germany ?! Wow... The PEJAC sculpture for 2.3k seems a steal compared to this price tag... Hard decision... I would also follow cyberkid's advice... There is zero comparison between Pejac and Banksy. People wont care about Pejac in a years time, Banksy i'm pretty sure they will for decades.
I remember people saying the same thing about Banksy back in the days.... but in one thing I fully agree... Banksy will be known for a long, long time
Okay... it's a Banksy... but 40k + Shipping + 19% VAT in Germany ?! Wow... The PEJAC sculpture for 2.3k seems a steal compared to this price tag... Hard decision... I would also follow cyberkid's advice... There is zero comparison between Pejac and Banksy. People wont care about Pejac in a years time, Banksy i'm pretty sure they will for decades. I remember people saying the same thing about Banksy back in the days.... but in one thing I fully agree... Banksy will be known for a long, long time |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 14, 2017 16:19:51 GMT 1, So banksy allows a release of the sales end print at a ‘discount’ and gets praised.
He releases a ‘sculpture’ at an insane price and no one says anything...
Seems about right. Haha
So banksy allows a release of the sales end print at a ‘discount’ and gets praised.
He releases a ‘sculpture’ at an insane price and no one says anything...
Seems about right. Haha
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Happy Shopper on Dec 14, 2017 16:24:26 GMT 1, So banksy allows a release of the sales end print at a ‘discount’ and gets praised. He releases a ‘sculpture’ at an insane price and no one says anything... Seems about right. Haha
Is it insane, or still well below market value?
So banksy allows a release of the sales end print at a ‘discount’ and gets praised. He releases a ‘sculpture’ at an insane price and no one says anything... Seems about right. Haha Is it insane, or still well below market value? |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 16:25:08 GMT 1, I know that someone mentioned this above but, if you have that type of quid to spend, take that money and put it towards a NOLA (standard edition white rain is still in this price range?). Either way, this is a good problem to have!
I know that someone mentioned this above but, if you have that type of quid to spend, take that money and put it towards a NOLA (standard edition white rain is still in this price range?). Either way, this is a good problem to have! Grappling hook vs mass produced print..... drop me out sunshine ! |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 14, 2017 16:54:37 GMT 1, So banksy allows a release of the sales end print at a ‘discount’ and gets praised. He releases a ‘sculpture’ at an insane price and no one says anything... Seems about right. Haha Is it insane, or still well below market value?
Market value is bogus.
What are these worth do you think? More then 40k
If that’s well below market value then Banksy is officially part of the ‘art world’. Ironic huh? Or has he been part of it for years now. You tell me.
So banksy allows a release of the sales end print at a ‘discount’ and gets praised. He releases a ‘sculpture’ at an insane price and no one says anything... Seems about right. Haha Is it insane, or still well below market value? Market value is bogus. What are these worth do you think? More then 40k If that’s well below market value then Banksy is officially part of the ‘art world’. Ironic huh? Or has he been part of it for years now. You tell me. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Happy Shopper on Dec 14, 2017 17:01:06 GMT 1, Is it insane, or still well below market value? Market value is bogus. What are these worth do you think? More then 40k If that’s well below market value then Banksy is officially part of the ‘art world’. Ironic huh? Or has he been part of it for years now. You tell me.
You act like you don't know what his originals and smaller editions sell for!??
These will become pretty rare once they get into the right hands.
He's been part of the art world, whether he likes it or not, for quite some time.
Is it insane, or still well below market value? Market value is bogus. What are these worth do you think? More then 40k If that’s well below market value then Banksy is officially part of the ‘art world’. Ironic huh? Or has he been part of it for years now. You tell me. You act like you don't know what his originals and smaller editions sell for!?? These will become pretty rare once they get into the right hands. He's been part of the art world, whether he likes it or not, for quite some time. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 14, 2017 17:32:01 GMT 1, Market value is bogus. What are these worth do you think? More then 40k If that’s well below market value then Banksy is officially part of the ‘art world’. Ironic huh? Or has he been part of it for years now. You tell me. You act like you don't know what his originals and smaller editions sell for!?? These will become pretty rare once they get into the right hands. He's been part of the art world, whether he likes it or not, for quite some time.
Can you find me a comparable? These aren’t originals... not quite a small edition really either.
I’m sure some will try to say it’s rarer cause it’s a sculpture so it’s worth more. I think quite the opposite really. Do we even know if banksy made these? How do we know these weren’t made by those doing the box sets?
40k is ridiculous. Cash grab from the VIPS!
Market value is bogus. What are these worth do you think? More then 40k If that’s well below market value then Banksy is officially part of the ‘art world’. Ironic huh? Or has he been part of it for years now. You tell me. You act like you don't know what his originals and smaller editions sell for!?? These will become pretty rare once they get into the right hands. He's been part of the art world, whether he likes it or not, for quite some time. Can you find me a comparable? These aren’t originals... not quite a small edition really either. I’m sure some will try to say it’s rarer cause it’s a sculpture so it’s worth more. I think quite the opposite really. Do we even know if banksy made these? How do we know these weren’t made by those doing the box sets? 40k is ridiculous. Cash grab from the VIPS! |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Happy Shopper on Dec 14, 2017 17:44:04 GMT 1, You act like you don't know what his originals and smaller editions sell for!?? These will become pretty rare once they get into the right hands. He's been part of the art world, whether he likes it or not, for quite some time. Can you find me a comparable? These aren’t originals... not quite a small edition really either. I’m sure some will try to say it’s rarer cause it’s a sculpture so it’s worth more. I think quite the opposite really. Do we even know if banksy made these? How do we know these weren’t made by those doing the box sets? 40k is ridiculous. Cash grab from the VIPS!
I think we can assume Banksy didn't hand make each one... but maybe he did! I don't know, and I don't think it matters. He didn't sculpt any of his sculptures, bronze rats, etc.
Nearest things I can compare these to is the small canvases, like Paranoid Pictures, that were editions of 25.
Like this one that sold recently for £112,500:
www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2016/contemporary-art-day-auction-l16025/lot.193.html
Bronze Rats are maybe more iconic, and slightly smaller edition, but also well over £100,000 (£137,000!)
www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/banksy-b-1975-bronze-rat-6060146-details.aspx
But only time will tell... A very short time after the COAs are delivered! 
You act like you don't know what his originals and smaller editions sell for!?? These will become pretty rare once they get into the right hands. He's been part of the art world, whether he likes it or not, for quite some time. Can you find me a comparable? These aren’t originals... not quite a small edition really either. I’m sure some will try to say it’s rarer cause it’s a sculpture so it’s worth more. I think quite the opposite really. Do we even know if banksy made these? How do we know these weren’t made by those doing the box sets? 40k is ridiculous. Cash grab from the VIPS! I think we can assume Banksy didn't hand make each one... but maybe he did! I don't know, and I don't think it matters. He didn't sculpt any of his sculptures, bronze rats, etc. Nearest things I can compare these to is the small canvases, like Paranoid Pictures, that were editions of 25. Like this one that sold recently for £112,500: www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2016/contemporary-art-day-auction-l16025/lot.193.htmlBronze Rats are maybe more iconic, and slightly smaller edition, but also well over £100,000 (£137,000!) www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/banksy-b-1975-bronze-rat-6060146-details.aspxBut only time will tell... A very short time after the COAs are delivered! |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Pysgod on Dec 14, 2017 18:00:16 GMT 1, You act like you don't know what his originals and smaller editions sell for!?? These will become pretty rare once they get into the right hands. He's been part of the art world, whether he likes it or not, for quite some time. Can you find me a comparable? These aren’t originals... not quite a small edition really either. I’m sure some will try to say it’s rarer cause it’s a sculpture so it’s worth more. I think quite the opposite really. Do we even know if banksy made these? How do we know these weren’t made by those doing the box sets? 40k is ridiculous. Cash grab from the VIPS!
And why shouldn't he ? Charge them 50k I say ! He had to witness and endure for years people/friends selling his work for thousands and tens of thousands that he swapped them for a bag of weed or what not, because they liked his work.
He deserves it in my book
You act like you don't know what his originals and smaller editions sell for!?? These will become pretty rare once they get into the right hands. He's been part of the art world, whether he likes it or not, for quite some time. Can you find me a comparable? These aren’t originals... not quite a small edition really either. I’m sure some will try to say it’s rarer cause it’s a sculpture so it’s worth more. I think quite the opposite really. Do we even know if banksy made these? How do we know these weren’t made by those doing the box sets? 40k is ridiculous. Cash grab from the VIPS! And why shouldn't he ? Charge them 50k I say ! He had to witness and endure for years people/friends selling his work for thousands and tens of thousands that he swapped them for a bag of weed or what not, because they liked his work. He deserves it in my book |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by lee3 on Dec 14, 2017 18:14:28 GMT 1, Interesting discussion though I would disagree with anyone who states the medium of sculpture is atypical for this artist. The atrium at bristol museum was all sculpture as was the inclusion of the village pet store. Most of Dismaland was the same. There have been sculptures of sorts at most, if not all of his shows since the beginning. I'm not disagreeing to disagree but he's a pretty well rounded artist conceptually including the big screen.
Haring sculptures may be a tougher sell than the works on canvas or tarp but I believe that is true of most artists regardless. Richard Serra or James Turrell are about as good as it gets for installation but most collectors there eyeball the oil stick on paper for the former and the sky drawings and geometric wall pieces for the latter. Robert Indiana love is iconic in sculpture form yet the drawings, prints and canvas of the same do better by comparison. It's simply a more difficult medium for most collectors to wrap our collective heads around is my thinking but ymmv. Good luck in your decision either way.
Interesting discussion though I would disagree with anyone who states the medium of sculpture is atypical for this artist. The atrium at bristol museum was all sculpture as was the inclusion of the village pet store. Most of Dismaland was the same. There have been sculptures of sorts at most, if not all of his shows since the beginning. I'm not disagreeing to disagree but he's a pretty well rounded artist conceptually including the big screen.
Haring sculptures may be a tougher sell than the works on canvas or tarp but I believe that is true of most artists regardless. Richard Serra or James Turrell are about as good as it gets for installation but most collectors there eyeball the oil stick on paper for the former and the sky drawings and geometric wall pieces for the latter. Robert Indiana love is iconic in sculpture form yet the drawings, prints and canvas of the same do better by comparison. It's simply a more difficult medium for most collectors to wrap our collective heads around is my thinking but ymmv. Good luck in your decision either way.
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by ToonKiller on Dec 14, 2017 18:19:44 GMT 1, Draft an agreement Find close family friends Each pitch in an affordable amount - say 5k Pay for item with consolidated funds Hang it at home bask in its artistic glory for an amazing year Off to the auction house - reserved at 120k Split as per signed agreement Win win win win ?
Personally I would buy it!
Sure, you have money to put down on a house but, you might possibly have the money to buy the house out right in a couple of years if you buy the hook.
But if if I didn't have the funds or only had part of the funds I'd follow the advice above.
Draft an agreement Find close family friends Each pitch in an affordable amount - say 5k Pay for item with consolidated funds Hang it at home bask in its artistic glory for an amazing year Off to the auction house - reserved at 120k Split as per signed agreement Win win win win ? Personally I would buy it! Sure, you have money to put down on a house but, you might possibly have the money to buy the house out right in a couple of years if you buy the hook. But if if I didn't have the funds or only had part of the funds I'd follow the advice above. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Pysgod on Dec 14, 2017 19:02:36 GMT 1, Not a fan of this grappling hook, I would love to buy his big taxidermy oily gull covered in sea slick that was the centre piece at the 'duck in the muck' game at dismaland.
Not a fan of this grappling hook, I would love to buy his big taxidermy oily gull covered in sea slick that was the centre piece at the 'duck in the muck' game at dismaland.
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 14, 2017 19:11:52 GMT 1, Can you find me a comparable? These aren’t originals... not quite a small edition really either. I’m sure some will try to say it’s rarer cause it’s a sculpture so it’s worth more. I think quite the opposite really. Do we even know if banksy made these? How do we know these weren’t made by those doing the box sets? 40k is ridiculous. Cash grab from the VIPS! And why shouldn't he ? Charge them 50k I say ! He had to witness and endure for years people/friends selling his work for thousands and tens of thousands that he swapped them for a bag of weed or what not, because they liked his work. He deserves it in my book
Nope.
The local people deserve it.
Is that where the money goes?
Or is he just using the hotel and attention to sell 40k sculptures now?
Can you find me a comparable? These aren’t originals... not quite a small edition really either. I’m sure some will try to say it’s rarer cause it’s a sculpture so it’s worth more. I think quite the opposite really. Do we even know if banksy made these? How do we know these weren’t made by those doing the box sets? 40k is ridiculous. Cash grab from the VIPS! And why shouldn't he ? Charge them 50k I say ! He had to witness and endure for years people/friends selling his work for thousands and tens of thousands that he swapped them for a bag of weed or what not, because they liked his work. He deserves it in my book Nope. The local people deserve it. Is that where the money goes? Or is he just using the hotel and attention to sell 40k sculptures now? |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Pysgod on Dec 14, 2017 19:15:18 GMT 1, And why shouldn't he ? Charge them 50k I say ! He had to witness and endure for years people/friends selling his work for thousands and tens of thousands that he swapped them for a bag of weed or what not, because they liked his work. He deserves it in my book Nope. The local people deserve it. Is that where the money goes? Or is he just using the hotel and attention to sell 40k sculptures now?
I'm not too sure you will have to ask him
And why shouldn't he ? Charge them 50k I say ! He had to witness and endure for years people/friends selling his work for thousands and tens of thousands that he swapped them for a bag of weed or what not, because they liked his work. He deserves it in my book Nope. The local people deserve it. Is that where the money goes? Or is he just using the hotel and attention to sell 40k sculptures now? I'm not too sure you will have to ask him |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by iamzero on Dec 14, 2017 19:49:12 GMT 1, I think the hook is one of the strongest things he’s done and would love to be in a position to buy it. I’ve been lucky enough to have held both the olive wood tower and one of the bronze rats and the rat is my favourite. I can’t see any reason why the hook want climb in price once into the hands of the big hitters. I’d be tempted to contact someone like Castle Gallery to see if he has someone on his client list that will be happy to take it off your hands.
I think the hook is one of the strongest things he’s done and would love to be in a position to buy it. I’ve been lucky enough to have held both the olive wood tower and one of the bronze rats and the rat is my favourite. I can’t see any reason why the hook want climb in price once into the hands of the big hitters. I’d be tempted to contact someone like Castle Gallery to see if he has someone on his client list that will be happy to take it off your hands.
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by avec art on Dec 14, 2017 20:03:04 GMT 1, I love those rats. I was offered one by Laz for 6K. Sadly it was much more than I could afford. Not sure what they're valued at now, but entirely out of reach, that much I'm sure about.
I love those rats. I was offered one by Laz for 6K. Sadly it was much more than I could afford. Not sure what they're valued at now, but entirely out of reach, that much I'm sure about.
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Bumble on Dec 14, 2017 20:36:40 GMT 1, My vote for quandary of the year -that decision would eat at my soul
My vote for quandary of the year -that decision would eat at my soul My thoughts exactly! |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by d.r. perseus on Dec 14, 2017 20:44:20 GMT 1, Is there any evidence in the past of limited bansky pieces selling for less than retail?
My guess is no but many here know the answer without guessing.
If that's the case, you could recoup cost in a year and get your house. Houses are not once in a blue moon opportunities.
Good luck
Is there any evidence in the past of limited bansky pieces selling for less than retail?
My guess is no but many here know the answer without guessing.
If that's the case, you could recoup cost in a year and get your house. Houses are not once in a blue moon opportunities.
Good luck
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 21:39:49 GMT 1, Christies sold a rat est 60-80 and sold for 137 in march and that number is missing a few zeros
Christies sold a rat est 60-80 and sold for 137 in march and that number is missing a few zeros
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by hnkpnk on Dec 14, 2017 22:19:25 GMT 1, What's your source for it being plastic? Banksy 'Grappling Hook' Wooden cross finished with woodstain and shellac, painted aluminium hooks and bolts, painted polyurethane Jesus, synthetic hemp rope, steel bracket and pin, instruction sheet, stainless steel screws. signed and numbered by artist Executed in 2017 H:60cm x W:42cm x D:24cm deep - plus rope £40,000 + VAT (if applicable) Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/149198/banksy-crucifix-grappling-hook-buy#ixzz51Gwz2zWJ
What's your source for it being plastic? Banksy 'Grappling Hook' Wooden cross finished with woodstain and shellac, painted aluminium hooks and bolts, painted polyurethane Jesus, synthetic hemp rope, steel bracket and pin, instruction sheet, stainless steel screws. signed and numbered by artist Executed in 2017 H:60cm x W:42cm x D:24cm deep - plus rope £40,000 + VAT (if applicable) Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/149198/banksy-crucifix-grappling-hook-buy#ixzz51Gwz2zWJSaw it and deleted my post, but was already quoted. |
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by larsson on Dec 14, 2017 22:49:42 GMT 1,
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