[jz19fed]

PM offers if actually interested they are personalized was not option available to have just signed

[kuni]

Your name wouldn’t happen to be Ashley would it?

[Riotcops]

Apr 27, 2019 1:19:13 GMT 1 jz19fed said:

PM offers if actually interested they are personalized was not option available to have just signed

Ya, because YOU are supposed to keep it

[Redbirds]

Haha personalized so you can’t flip it -and yet ...

[jz19fed]

I am keeping one have 1 extra

[teabaggins]

Do people buy things that are dedicated to other people? Would seem strange to me.

[Redbirds]

Apr 27, 2019 2:06:33 GMT 1 teabaggins said:

Do people buy things that are dedicated to other people? Would seem strange to me.

-it’s like girl dating that has her ex tattooed on her backside -just unsettling and keeps me from truly enjoying

[kuni]

A poster signed to someone else would be worth less to me than an unsigned one.

[met]

Apr 27, 2019 1:19:13 GMT 1 jz19fed said:

[...]

PM offers if actually interested they are personalized was not option available to have just signed

The level of boorishness with this move is such that I'll admit being taken aback.

It isn't complete naivety on my part; I'm well aware individuals like you exist. But you're usually touting tickets outside of music venues.

My surprise therefore is mostly down to the change in context. I wasn't expecting to bump into you here.

[Express Post]

Lol, the ink is still drying on these. Someone take one for the team and do a reveal.

[campfire headphase]

Apr 27, 2019 2:28:48 GMT 1 kuni said:

A poster signed to someone else would be worth less to me than an unsigned one.

I have two unsigned ones. Wanna buy?

[campfire headphase]

Apr 27, 2019 3:53:04 GMT 1 met said:

Apr 27, 2019 1:19:13 GMT 1 jz19fed said:

[...]

PM offers if actually interested they are personalized was not option available to have just signed

The level of boorishness with this move is such that I'll admit being taken aback.

It isn't complete naivety on my part; I'm well aware individuals like you exist. But you're usually touting tickets outside of music venues.

My surprise therefore is mostly down to the change in context. I wasn't expecting to bump into you here.

They’re just posters. Christ, it’s not family heirloom jewelry or the Mona Lisa.

[Ruggs]

I’ve now got a number of Jonas Wood posters including the recent 2019 and face painting posters. I might be the only one to say this but I personally think his signature and dedication totally destroys it.

[beicoblack]

Apr 27, 2019 8:46:21 GMT 1 Ruggs said:

I’ve now got a number of Jonas Wood posters including the recent 2019 and face painting posters. I might be the only one to say this but I personally think his signature and dedication totally destroys it.

Could not agree more. The thing is most of them want the signature to flip it for 500 bucks...

[irl1]

Apr 27, 2019 2:22:21 GMT 1 Redbirds said:

Apr 27, 2019 2:06:33 GMT 1 teabaggins said:

Do people buy things that are dedicated to other people? Would seem strange to me.

-it’s like girl dating that has her ex tattooed on her backside -just unsettling and keeps me from truly enjoying

I enjoy a good ass signed or unsigned

[Deleted]

Apr 27, 2019 11:22:59 GMT 1 irl1 said:

Apr 27, 2019 2:22:21 GMT 1 Redbirds said:

-it’s like girl dating that has her ex tattooed on her backside -just unsettling and keeps me from truly enjoying

I enjoy a good ass signed or unsigned

[br lol

[kuni]

Apr 27, 2019 6:18:59 GMT 1 campfire headphase said:

Apr 27, 2019 2:28:48 GMT 1 kuni said:

A poster signed to someone else would be worth less to me than an unsigned one.

I have two unsigned ones. Wanna buy?

I’m good. I’m doing by best not to buy stuff that I wouldn’t immediately take to the framers. 

[campfire headphase]

Apr 27, 2019 8:46:21 GMT 1 Ruggs said:

I’ve now got a number of Jonas Wood posters including the recent 2019 and face painting posters. I might be the only one to say this but I personally think his signature and dedication totally destroys it.

I had a feeling and had heard prior to the exhibition he would do this with his signatures. I elected to go for the unsigned instead. I think this will be a case where the unsigned posters will be worth more. Some of the posters are selling at auction for over 1k now. I think these unsigned will sell for that eventually.

[met]

Apr 27, 2019 6:20:13 GMT 1 campfire headphase said:

Apr 27, 2019 3:53:04 GMT 1 met said:

The level of boorishness with this move is such that I'll admit being taken aback.

It isn't complete naivety on my part; I'm well aware individuals like you exist. But you're usually touting tickets outside of music venues.

My surprise therefore is mostly down to the change in context. I wasn't expecting to bump into you here.

They’re just posters. Christ, it’s not family heirloom jewelry or the Mona Lisa.

We may be talking about different things:

1.  Your focus seems to lie with the specific item being re-sold, along with its value — sentimental, cultural or financial.

[If jz19fed were selling family heirloom jewellery, that wouldn't be a problem for me. Perhaps nobody else in his family even wants the jewellery. Perhaps he himself has neither any use nor room for it, and he just finished reading The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying by Marie Kondo.

Likewise, in the unlikely event of a change in French heritage law which currently prohibits the sale of Mona Lisa, and jz19fed acquiring the painting from the French government, I wouldn't have an issue in principle if he then tried to resell it on the Urban Art Association message board.]


2.  My own focus is not on the item. It's on the act, given the overall context.

Here, I'm referring to an individual immediately trying to re-sell something they requested an artist to sign for them. Moreover, that item also includes a dedication by the artist.

__________


The argument can be unpacked further:

(i)  It would be reasonable to claim that a signing event benefits everyone. A buzz is created for the gallery and more books and posters end up being sold.

But consider the current market for Jonas Wood and his representation by the powerhouse that is Gagosian Gallery. Bear in mind too the critical and institutional recognition his work has already received.

In relative terms, from a career-benefit perspective, all of this makes a signing event rather unimportant for the artist.


(ii)  When Wood therefore agreed to commit one of his Friday evenings, the main objective for him clearly wasn't to cash in. This was more about meeting enthusiasts of his work. About offering them a bit of face time, and allowing them to return home with a personalised keepsake. Especially for the ones who don't have the means or access to purchase the artist's originals, or even his limited edition prints.

So it doesn't seem unfair to view such a signing through a lens of Wood being generous towards those who appreciate his art. He was doing his fans a favour.


(iii)  Each of us has our own code on the correct way to behave. And, conversely, on what behaviour falls below our standard of decency.

In cases where we might be uncertain about where our dividing line is between right and wrong, there follows a helpful test:

Ask yourself what decisions you'd make, and what actions you'd take, if you knew you were being openly watched. Watched by family members; your partner; friends and peers; colleagues and employers; and any other person who would hold you accountable for those decisions and actions.


(iv)  By way of illustration, let's place you in the position of jz19fed, with added variables:

Yesterday evening, after a brief exchange of pleasantries with Jonas Wood, he signs two posters for you. Within a couple of hours, you attempt to offload one of them here. Tonight, you're having a quiet meal at a restaurant with your family. Wood also happens to be dining there with directors from Gagosian. He approaches your table and calmly says:

"Hey campfireheadphase, I heard you're selling one of the posters I signed for you just yesterday. We had a nice chat beforehand. And when you asked me to dedicate it to [you / your friend], you sounded sincere. My signing of the poster was meant as a courtesy, a gesture of kindness. But it now feels like you were taking me for a fool."


The entire restaurant then goes silent. And everyone looks your way.

Now, in this scenario, do you think you'd experience an emotion slightly more intense than mere embarrassment? Would you feel any sense of shame?

If so, then congratulations. Congratulations for being one of us — somebody who is not a sociopathic prat.

[kuni]

Apr 27, 2019 22:42:09 GMT 1 met said:

Apr 27, 2019 6:20:13 GMT 1 campfire headphase said:

They’re just posters. Christ, it’s not family heirloom jewelry or the Mona Lisa.

We may be talking about different things:

1.  Your focus seems to lie with the specific item being re-sold, along with its value — sentimental, cultural or financial.

[If jz19fed were selling family heirloom jewellery, that wouldn't be a problem for me. Perhaps nobody else in his family even wants the jewellery. Perhaps he himself has neither any use nor room for it, and he just finished reading The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying by Marie Kondo.

Likewise, in the unlikely event of a change in French heritage law which currently prohibits the sale of Mona Lisa, and jz19fed acquiring the painting from the French government, I wouldn't have an issue in principle if he then tried to resell it on the Urban Art Association message board.]


2.  My own focus is not on the item. It's on the act, given the overall context.

Here, I'm referring to an individual immediately trying to re-sell something they requested an artist to sign for them. Moreover, that item also includes a dedication by the artist.

__________


The argument can be unpacked further:

(i)  It would be reasonable to claim that a signing event benefits everyone. A buzz is created for the gallery and more books and posters end up being sold.

But consider the current market for Jonas Wood and his representation by the powerhouse that is Gagosian Gallery. Bear in mind too the critical and institutional recognition his work has already received.

In relative terms, from a career-benefit perspective, all of this makes a signing event rather unimportant for the artist.


(ii)  When Wood therefore agreed to commit one of his Friday evenings, the main objective for him clearly wasn't to cash in. This was more about meeting enthusiasts of his work. About offering them a bit of face time, and allowing them to return home with a personalised keepsake. Especially for the ones who don't have the means or access to purchase the artist's originals, or even his limited edition prints.

So it doesn't seem unfair to view such a signing through a lens of Wood being generous towards those who appreciate his art. He was doing his fans a favour.


(iii)  Each of us has our own code on the correct way to behave. And, conversely, on what behaviour falls below our standard of decency.

In cases where we might be uncertain about where our dividing line is between right and wrong, there follows a helpful test:

Ask yourself what decisions you'd make, and what actions you'd take, if you knew you were being openly watched. Watched by family members; your partner; friends and peers; colleagues and employers; and any other person who would hold you accountable for those decisions and actions.


(iv)  By way of illustration, let's place you in the position of jz19fed , with added variables:

Yesterday evening, after a brief exchange of pleasantries with Jonas Wood, he signs two posters for you. Within a couple of hours, you attempt to offload one of them here. Tonight, you're having a quiet meal at a restaurant with your family. Wood also happens to be dining there with directors from Gagosian. He approaches your table and calmly says:

"Hey campfireheadphase, I heard you're selling one of the posters I signed for you just yesterday. We had a nice chat beforehand. And when you asked me to dedicate it to [you / your friend], you sounded sincere. My signing of the poster was meant as a courtesy, a gesture of kindness. But it now feels like you were taking me for a fool."


The entire restaurant then goes silent. And everyone looks your way.

Now, in this scenario, do you think you'd experience an emotion slightly more intense than mere embarrassment? Would you feel any sense of shame?

If so, then congratulations. Congratulations for being one of us — somebody who is not a sociopathic prat.

Whelp, I’d say that clears that up. 

[campfire headphase]

Apr 27, 2019 22:42:09 GMT 1 met said:

Apr 27, 2019 6:20:13 GMT 1 campfire headphase said:

They’re just posters. Christ, it’s not family heirloom jewelry or the Mona Lisa.

We may be talking about different things:

1.  Your focus seems to lie with the specific item being re-sold, along with its value — sentimental, cultural or financial.

[If jz19fed were selling family heirloom jewellery, that wouldn't be a problem for me. Perhaps nobody else in his family even wants the jewellery. Perhaps he himself has neither any use nor room for it, and he just finished reading The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying by Marie Kondo.

Likewise, in the unlikely event of a change in French heritage law which currently prohibits the sale of Mona Lisa, and jz19fed acquiring the painting from the French government, I wouldn't have an issue in principle if he then tried to resell it on the Urban Art Association message board.]


2.  My own focus is not on the item. It's on the act, given the overall context.

Here, I'm referring to an individual immediately trying to re-sell something they requested an artist to sign for them. Moreover, that item also includes a dedication by the artist.

__________


The argument can be unpacked further:

(i)  It would be reasonable to claim that a signing event benefits everyone. A buzz is created for the gallery and more books and posters end up being sold.

But consider the current market for Jonas Wood and his representation by the powerhouse that is Gagosian Gallery. Bear in mind too the critical and institutional recognition his work has already received.

In relative terms, from a career-benefit perspective, all of this makes a signing event rather unimportant for the artist.


(ii)  When Wood therefore agreed to commit one of his Friday evenings, the main objective for him clearly wasn't to cash in. This was more about meeting enthusiasts of his work. About offering them a bit of face time, and allowing them to return home with a personalised keepsake. Especially for the ones who don't have the means or access to purchase the artist's originals, or even his limited edition prints.

So it doesn't seem unfair to view such a signing through a lens of Wood being generous towards those who appreciate his art. He was doing his fans a favour.


(iii)  Each of us has our own code on the correct way to behave. And, conversely, on what behaviour falls below our standard of decency.

In cases where we might be uncertain about where our dividing line is between right and wrong, there follows a helpful test:

Ask yourself what decisions you'd make, and what actions you'd take, if you knew you were being openly watched. Watched by family members; your partner; friends and peers; colleagues and employers; and any other person who would hold you accountable for those decisions and actions.


(iv)  By way of illustration, let's place you in the position of jz19fed, with added variables:

Yesterday evening, after a brief exchange of pleasantries with Jonas Wood, he signs two posters for you. Within a couple of hours, you attempt to offload one of them here. Tonight, you're having a quiet meal at a restaurant with your family. Wood also happens to be dining there with directors from Gagosian. He approaches your table and calmly says:

"Hey campfireheadphase, I heard you're selling one of the posters I signed for you just yesterday. We had a nice chat beforehand. And when you asked me to dedicate it to [you / your friend], you sounded sincere. My signing of the poster was meant as a courtesy, a gesture of kindness. But it now feels like you were taking me for a fool."


The entire restaurant then goes silent. And everyone looks your way.

Now, in this scenario, do you think you'd experience an emotion slightly more intense than mere embarrassment? Would you feel any sense of shame?

If so, then congratulations. Congratulations for being one of us — somebody who is not a sociopathic prat.

That’s all fine and dandy. Still, if this guy wants to spend $15 and sell it 5 minutes later, or never. That is THEIR choice. It isn’t for you to dogmatically dictate what is proper with someone else’s money. No one is going to kick the door down in your house and tell you the only way you can eat a sandwich with the bread you bought is cut at a diagonal with the crusts removed. That’s your domain and decision. People can shut the f**kup and go do something else if they don’t like it.

People are simply free not to buy. They have one, many people want them and cannot get one. It is in their court to sell or not and at what price. As a buyer, it up to you whether the asking price is worth it. It is very simple for both sides. Uninterested parties can simply do something else. Like, lick envelopes, or watch c-span, or read the encyclopedia britannica for fun.

[kalm]

Insta flip aka “poor” and shouldn’t be buying art