A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million

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all a bored



jimmy and bill - didn't they have a part in this ?

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was that really 24 years ago ?

.. no not the video - the ... b u r n i n g ... ala wicker man.

[Coach]

Oct 9, 2018 18:52:36 GMT 1 Extra Ball said:

Oct 9, 2018 18:40:44 GMT 1 Hairbland said:

There's Art History and Forum History, I was responding to moron known Banksyhaterpontificator and arguing the point of hype versus mainstream - that a critic was mentioned was a sidebar and again history said critic was the biggest Banksy hater during his NYC BOTI month, exploiting his dislike for his own popularity.

all the people who are not of your opinion are moron?

What height of mind!



Guys, this is just a forum where we share the same passion, avoid insults and interpretations too fast.

Let's share other things

I think Hairbland was referring to the member here who goes by the name moron, rather than calling someone else a moron.

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Oct 9, 2018 19:36:40 GMT 1 Coach said:

Oct 9, 2018 18:52:36 GMT 1 Extra Ball said:

all the people who are not of your opinion are moron?

What height of mind!



Guys, this is just a forum where we share the same passion, avoid insults and interpretations too fast.

Let's share other things

I think Hairbland was referring to the member here who goes by the name moron, rather than calling someone else a moron.

i thought we were still on Tory politicians 😂

[Lroy]

Oct 9, 2018 15:15:33 GMT 1 jimbofatz said:

I think everyone knows that banksy is currently marketed for the 35+ year old with money that still wears limited edition sneakers/leather jackets and DJs in Ibiza....or more likely the people who want to pretend they have that lifestyle.

Is banksy just a brand now? We all know its a collective marketing blitz and calling them an old school crew by old graffiti definition is getting harder and harder. The people involved have the credibility in the community to do whatever the hell they want. The reality is it was time for banksy to say goodbye a while ago as POW pointed out should have ended 3 years ago really. But I do also realize that's like me saying all their new albums suck. They use to rule. There needs to be a coachella reunion cash out system for artists just like there is for bands. Pay everyone out of ruining something great. I can only hope that is what we've been seeing with all of these unofficial shows.

Yes it is a brand. Not a team, not a collective, but a brand ( and since years ago now ).

You have to be " stamped " by his PR (Jo per example) and his website/instagram.

In the contrary, this is not a " Banksy " as we are saying.

Some artworks takes time to be " approved ",  some others are quicker, as this video * filmed as a professionnal trailer, mixed  and mounted in the process, and just posted after : the real Banksy' s signature, the integral part, even the main one with the shredder itself, and narrated like a fairy tale ("once upon a time in 2006 ... blablabla "  - no loud voice nor vocoder (as the "artisanal "one, lol, in Exit ) , but a magical and short story that could win an award ! This is Banksy.

The masterpiece that will rest in Art History is this 56' seconds Video, showing us a passage of La Comédie Humaine ( as these rich faces panicked or silly in front of the prank/shredder, and making the all movie ) and of course, we think before all to the genius Frank Capra, in particulary in La Vie est Belle ( look at this extract, " any resemblance to existing persons is coincidental " ;-)

* As these videos In Boti ( the ants, Dumbo) that were posted during the show. All the rest is " the Musical ".

[jimbofatz]

Oct 9, 2018 19:57:50 GMT 1 Lroy said:

Oct 9, 2018 15:15:33 GMT 1 jimbofatz said:

I think everyone knows that banksy is currently marketed for the 35+ year old with money that still wears limited edition sneakers/leather jackets and DJs in Ibiza....or more likely the people who want to pretend they have that lifestyle.

Is banksy just a brand now? We all know its a collective marketing blitz and calling them an old school crew by old graffiti definition is getting harder and harder. The people involved have the credibility in the community to do whatever the hell they want. The reality is it was time for banksy to say goodbye a while ago as POW pointed out should have ended 3 years ago really. But I do also realize that's like me saying all their new albums suck. They use to rule. There needs to be a coachella reunion cash out system for artists just like there is for bands. Pay everyone out of ruining something great. I can only hope that is what we've been seeing with all of these unofficial shows.

Yes it is a brand. Not a team, not a collective, but a brand ( and since years ago now ).

You have to be " stamped " by his PR (Jo per example) and his website/instagram.

In the contrary, this is not a " Banksy " as we are saying.

Some artworks takes time to be " approved ",  some others are quicker, as this video * filmed as a professionnal trailer, mixed  and mounted in the process, and just posted after : the real Banksy' s signature, the integral part, even the main one with the shredder itself, and narrated like a fairy tale ("once upon a time in 2006 ... blablabla "  - no loud voice nor vocoder (as the "artisanal "one, lol, in Exit ) , but a magical and short story that could win an award ! This is Banksy.

The masterpiece that will rest in Art History is this 56' seconds Video, showing us a passage of La Comédie Humaine ( as these rich faces panicked or silly in front of the prank/shredder, and making the all movie ) and of course, we think before all to the genius Frank Capra, in particulary in La Vie est Belle ( look at this extract, " any resemblance to existing persons is coincidental " ;-)

* As these videos In Boti ( the ants, Dumbo) that were posted during the show. All the rest is " the Musical ".

LRoy vous est mon favourite member de ce forum. Je ne peux parle francais me ce fait rein-- tu ne peut pas parle en Englais. Cept est mon essaye de communique avec toi. Peutetre quand je alle ou Paris en autre faut tues peux etre mon amie pour une soiree. Dans les 2000s quand Banksy est just jeune aspiration j'ai alle beaucoup de temps avec Banksy a une place avec le nomme La Fleche D'Or. Ce est ill est encore la je ve de allez avec toi la.

[Lroy]

Oct 9, 2018 21:39:06 GMT 1 jimbofatz said:

Oct 9, 2018 19:57:50 GMT 1 Lroy said:

Yes it is a brand. Not a team, not a collective, but a brand ( and since years ago now ).

You have to be " stamped " by his PR (Jo per example) and his website/instagram.

In the contrary, this is not a " Banksy " as we are saying.

Some artworks takes time to be " approved ",  some others are quicker, as this video * filmed as a professionnal trailer, mixed  and mounted in the process, and just posted after : the real Banksy' s signature, the integral part, even the main one with the shredder itself, and narrated like a fairy tale ("once upon a time in 2006 ... blablabla "  - no loud voice nor vocoder (as the "artisanal "one, lol, in Exit ) , but a magical and short story that could win an award ! This is Banksy.

The masterpiece that will rest in Art History is this 56' seconds Video, showing us a passage of La Comédie Humaine ( as these rich faces panicked or silly in front of the prank/shredder, and making the all movie ) and of course, we think before all to the genius Frank Capra, in particulary in La Vie est Belle ( look at this extract, " any resemblance to existing persons is coincidental " ;-)

* As these videos In Boti ( the ants, Dumbo) that were posted during the show. All the rest is " the Musical ".

LRoy vous est mon favourite member de ce forum. Je ne peux parle francais me ce fait rein-- tu ne peut pas parle en Englais. Cept est mon essaye de communique avec toi. Peutetre quand je alle ou Paris en autre faut tues peux etre mon amie pour une soiree. Dans les 2000s quand Banksy est just jeune aspiration j'ai alle beaucoup de temps avec Banksy a une place avec le nomme La Fleche D'Or. Ce est ill est encore la je ve de allez avec toi la.

Merci mille fois pour ce vibrant et sincère hommage en Français dans le texte  ! Ce sera avec plaisir ! Just ( in English now ), Is La Fleche d'or still opened ?  I heard that they closed not so long times ago.... It was a mytic bar/room for concert in Charonne... ,

Just near it, and 390 years ago ( or maybe 30 ) I recorded my voice (I was singer) for our single Simbad ( with my mate, next street, in le Studio Davout, one of the best recording studios of Paris- I mean a classic one.

Just for the pleasure I put you the link ( we did not sell a lot , lol, it was hard times to make music in the late 80 in Paris  Cheeers mate ! really ! ( Just click on the link " Simbad le marin " and " écouter le morceau " - Arabian new wave style - we were more indé and alternative but the producers killed our song with FM sound  ) ... Lol, there is Two, to buy, for 7 euros, we are far away from Banksy en valeur lol !

( sorry all , for this diversion or disgression I dunno  ) ;

Bonne nuit Jim - I m gonna sleep now,  and see you next time  ! 

Cheers  !

www.bide-et-musique.com/song/8387.html

[moron]

Oct 9, 2018 12:22:34 GMT 1 toshspice said:

Oct 9, 2018 11:57:11 GMT 1 met said:

This would be my position as well.

Jones is knowledgeable, intelligent and considered. Of equal importance is the fact he holds views I often disagree with or would strongly qualify. [Likewise with Robert Hughes and Brian Sewell when they were alive.]

That is the kind of person I pay most careful attention to.

No disrespect to you Met, or any other fans out there, but I think Jonathan Jones is a cunt, pardon my French.

This is what he wrote a year ago about Girl With Balloon.

"Britain’s best-loved artwork is a Banksy. That’s proof of our stupidity

"This is what scares and depresses me about Banksy. The very lack of art in his art is what makes it popular. Real art is elusive, complex, ambiguous and often difficult. "

In other words if art were easy Jonathan Jones would be out of a job. Wouldn't that be great?

Link here to read more of his strawberry-faced snobbery.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/britain-artwork-banksy-art-girl-with-balloon

 Jones has his lightweight moments but the days of the great art critics like Robert Hughes and Brian Sewell seem to be over.

It's a lot of lightweight marketing tat these days.

  The poll voting Girl With Balloon, the nations favourite painting is one example.

It's false. It's a small poll of people who had to choose from a shortlist of 20 artworks drawn up by art editors and writers. 


 So it's fake to say that it is "the nations favourite painting.

 "The poll was carried out to mark the launch of a new Samsung TV,"


www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/banksy-britains-favourite-artwork-balloon-girl-john-constable-jack-vettriano-jmw-turner-a7858856.html

[moron]

Oct 9, 2018 13:02:48 GMT 1 Hairbland said:

Oct 9, 2018 10:42:33 GMT 1 moron said:

 That's just post hype , hype and nothing more.

Someone says it's now worth zillions of trillions because of a cheap stunt.

Which proves that the whole Banksy hype and marketing machine is obsessed with money and so is Banksy.

No, it's high profile in the New York Times - also known as mainstream. Even Jerry Saltz, who usually has a bug up his arse (like yourself, but he's an art critic not a small forum poster) loved it.

 You seem to do a lot of point scoring without actually giving your own opinion on what is so great about Banksy's latest stunt.

You prefer to refer to Jerry Saltz for some reason.

  It's an art forum and I posted my own view on this event. I'm sure team Banksy welcome your efforts though.

  This latest stunt is the sort of thing that would have appeared on the Jeremy Beadle show and filmed with hidden camera.

 I do not see what relevance it has to art or to making Banksy art even more valuable after this stunt.

Most of the people quoted in the mainstream press about it are dealers or galleries selling Banksy works.

[moron]

Oct 9, 2018 18:40:44 GMT 1 Hairbland said:

Oct 9, 2018 15:59:31 GMT 1 @manty100 said:

The point of what?

My point was that your condescending post spouting that an art critics point of view is worth more than anyone elses is just bollocks (to me)


But maybe you're right, perhaps someone qualified can answer

There's Art History and Forum History, I was responding to moron known Banksyhaterpontificator and arguing the point of hype versus mainstream - that a critic was mentioned was a sidebar and again history said critic was the biggest Banksy hater during his NYC BOTI month, exploiting his dislike for his own popularity.

absolute crap. I was referring to this latest stunt by Banksy that's all and calling it a stunt for publicity which might make me a Banksy hater to you but to others it's an opinion about the publicity seeking stunt and it doesn't suit your own agenda which is probably that you met Banksy once and cannot say anything negative or seen to say anything negative publicly about his art or stunts. Even though you know i'm right on this one.

  It's a cheap publicity stunt and might have got Banksy some write ups as he appears to want to be mentioned regularly in the mainstream press for any reason.

  Whether the value will go up after this stunt, i doubt it. Sothebys will say anything anyway. they don't care if people believe it at the time as are known to say they did not say such and such at a later date.

 It might appeal to some wealthy Banksy investors but regarding other wealthy collectors who add art to their collections. This stunt could back fire and these people not take him seriously as an artist.

[moron]

Oct 9, 2018 15:03:02 GMT 1 Hairbland said:

Oct 9, 2018 14:32:50 GMT 1 Extra Ball said:

sotheby's video is looping since Saturday, everywhere, all the time. Everyone has a small comment to make about his work when they did not know him 15 days ago. Its popularity and rating are growing thanks to all this. And everything is built on it, from the beginning. For me, this guy is a scam. Do you think Picasso was doing his best to sell when he was at valauris or warhol at the factory? They did not need advertising to spread their art, people recognized it.
Without this noise around him, it would be known only by a handful of Londoners

your examples are uninformed. remind me of those that saw the birth of modern art in the 60s saying their kindergarten kid could do that.

You mean the birth of contemporary art.


Modern art was born by the likes of Manet and others.

[moron]

Oct 9, 2018 14:32:50 GMT 1 Extra Ball said:

Oct 9, 2018 14:16:26 GMT 1 Graham H said:

I dont get your point.. we do live in a world of Social Networks.. so to say if they werent here he wouldnt exist doesnt make sense to me..

Or is it me who has missed the point?

Just wondering..

sotheby's video is looping since Saturday, everywhere, all the time. Everyone has a small comment to make about his work when they did not know him 15 days ago. Its popularity and rating are growing thanks to all this. And everything is built on it, from the beginning. For me, this guy is a scam. Do you think Picasso was doing his best to sell when he was at valauris or warhol at the factory? They did not need advertising to spread their art, people recognized it.
Without this noise around him, it would be known only by a handful of Londoners

We live in different times today from Picasso and even Warhol.

 Picasso had a waiting list of clients and dealers who sold his art in the US. His pottery was very affordable in the limited editions and turned out to be a good investment long term.

 Warhol did use the media for publicity. Mainly television and celebrity articles in papers and magazines showing his silver wig and posing with celebrities. He made screen prints of the rich and famous because he wanted to become as recognised and famous as they were. The approach back then was more innocent than it is today with two minute attention spans and social media and making a fast buck regardless of quality.

 The Sothebys stunt gained attention mainly due to social media. Newspapers print sad dog stories every week or quirky stories so adding this Sothebys stunt gained some retweets etc for them.

  If Banksy had the artwork artifically bid up to the record price before being shredded. I can see investors losing confidence in the real value of his art. Sothebys will have to come clean eventually.

[touchdowntodd]

A lot of the Banksy hate in this thread is just plain laughable....

and if you think Warhol Etc wouldn't have taken advantage of social media and the amount of publicity you can get off said things you're insane and you're forgetting the fact that a lot of this art etc has been a constant game with the public.....

You would have to be a complete moron to not want the type of publicity this single stunt has brought him and dude also have to be equally as ignorant to not be using social media to the best of your abilities in 2018..

name a better form of advertisement currently I'll wait oh and reminder it's totally free.....

[Hairbland]

Oct 10, 2018 0:17:08 GMT 1 touchdowntodd said:

A lot of the Banksy hate in this thread is just plain laughable....

and if you think Warhol Etc wouldn't have taken advantage of social media and the amount of publicity you can get off said things you're insane and you're forgetting the fact that a lot of this art etc has been a constant game with the public.....

You would have to be a complete moron to not want the type of publicity this single stunt has brought him and dude also have to be equally as ignorant to not be using social media to the best of your abilities in 2018..

name a better form of advertisement currently I'll wait oh and reminder it's totally free.....

You would be a complete moron (not the forum member) to not incorporate social media. We love it and share when the artists we follow post on Instagram and elsewhere. If someone creates something special it blows up.

[JJN]

So many conspiracy theories, insults & drivel above but just enough insightful gems to, unfortunately, keep me reading...

What if it Wasnt a marketing stunt and was instead a magnificent piece of performance Art - a statement on the commodification & ludicrous values we ascribe to things we love & move us to feel something (Art).

Actually, some of the insults are quite witty & entertaining.

[ca]

personally, I'm getting tired of it all. Don't get me wrong, I thought it was somewhat clever and classic Banksy after seeing it but now that every media and person around the world are reflecting on it as if it was the best thing since sliced bread it has reached a point where I find it quite annoying tbh. Can we move on or we're that desperate for decent art?

[Lroy]

Oct 10, 2018 3:56:17 GMT 1 ca said:

personally, I'm getting tired of it all. Don't get me wrong, I thought it was somewhat clever and classic Banksy after seeing it but now that every media and person around the world are reflecting on it as if it was the best thing since sliced bread it has reached a point where I find it quite annoying tbh. Can we move on or we're that desperate for decent art?

it is true that this subject is treated since Sunday in the miscellaneous news section ( fairs-divers ) of the french newspapers as The daily or the Sun and that all the makers or listeners of gossips ( have a look on Twitter , such a shame this Twitter ) are aware of this: they only retain the 1500000000 quids (so-called) gone in tatters ( in smoke - en fumée )
Lazy this morning on my loo ...

[Lroy]

Oct 10, 2018 8:07:44 GMT 1 Lroy said:

Oct 10, 2018 3:56:17 GMT 1 ca said:

personally, I'm getting tired of it all. Don't get me wrong, I thought it was somewhat clever and classic Banksy after seeing it but now that every media and person around the world are reflecting on it as if it was the best thing since sliced bread it has reached a point where I find it quite annoying tbh. Can we move on or we're that desperate for decent art?

it is true that this subject is treated since Sunday in the miscellaneous news section ( fairs-divers ) of the french newspapers as The daily or the Sun and that all the makers or listeners of gossips ( have a look on Twitter , such a shame this Twitter ) are aware of this: they only retain the 1500000000 quids (so-called) gone in tatters ( in smoke - en fumée )
Lazy this morning on my loo ...

but Banksy is my hero !

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Oct 10, 2018 3:56:17 GMT 1 ca said:

personally, I'm getting tired of it all. Don't get me wrong, I thought it was somewhat clever and classic Banksy after seeing it but now that every media and person around the world are reflecting on it as if it was the best thing since sliced bread it has reached a point where I find it quite annoying tbh. Can we move on or we're that desperate for decent art?

I think that it's a talking point for everyone from every profession, age etc


how was it done? what happens now? the batteries? did sothebys know? great to see the rich being fucked over? who is this guy? why did he do it? i always knew the art world was a big scam? the emperor's new clothes? how did they get the artwork in?  could they have got a bomb in, what happens now to the artwork? does the buyer have to pay? who are sothebys? do people really buy that  s**t?    How much!!!!!!


what other bit of art has ever done that?

[Schrödinger's Chat]

This guy was not amused

www.newstatesman.com/culture/art-design/2018/10/banksy-s-art-shredding-stunt-was-fishier-tin-anchovies

[Lroy]

Oct 10, 2018 9:56:47 GMT 1 Schrödinger's Chat said:

This guy was not amused

www.newstatesman.com/culture/art-design/2018/10/banksy-s-art-shredding-stunt-was-fishier-tin-anchovies

In fact some are happy, some others not, and the last ones don't care...

Life in society...

[Hairbland]

Oct 10, 2018 9:56:47 GMT 1 Schrödinger's Chat said:

This guy was not amused

www.newstatesman.com/culture/art-design/2018/10/banksy-s-art-shredding-stunt-was-fishier-tin-anchovies

Now we know where Moron got his Jeremy Beadle remark from.

[jimbofatz]

Banksy ain't gots**t on Warhol as far as media stunts. Anyone else remember when he did a run in on Hulk Hogan, Mr. T, Cyndi Lauper and Mean Gene. Banksy at Wrestlemania?

[Extra Ball]

Oct 10, 2018 12:54:54 GMT 1 Hairbland said:

Oct 10, 2018 9:56:47 GMT 1 Schrödinger's Chat said:

This guy was not amused

www.newstatesman.com/culture/art-design/2018/10/banksy-s-art-shredding-stunt-was-fishier-tin-anchovies

Now we know where Moron got his Jeremy Beadle remark from.

Moron, moron, moron .....
you only have it in store, you are at the limit of your reasoning?
difficult to argue with a disrespectful child who thinks he knows everything.
Can you admit that your truth may not be the truth and that people may not be of your opinion?
I prefer to look at the thread from far enough and keep my energy at more essential things

[jimbofatz]

Ive watched this 4 million times. Needs no introduction in the greater new york area haha. It use to be such a small world. Human beings were such a wonderful species now were lost and stuck in this AI universal wasteland.

[Shoot Again]

For french speakers only : www.lesechos.fr/idees-debats/editos-analyses/0302377484980-banksy-ou-limpossibilite-detre-anticapitaliste-2212428.php

[moron]

Oct 10, 2018 12:54:54 GMT 1 Hairbland said:

Oct 10, 2018 9:56:47 GMT 1 Schrödinger's Chat said:

This guy was not amused

www.newstatesman.com/culture/art-design/2018/10/banksy-s-art-shredding-stunt-was-fishier-tin-anchovies

Now we know where Moron got his Jeremy Beadle remark from.

 I got it from having watched episodes of Beadles About and Candid Camera years ago. Not from the New Statesman.

[moron]

Oct 10, 2018 13:28:29 GMT 1 jimbofatz said:

Ive watched this 4 million times. Needs no introduction in the greater new york area haha. It use to be such a small world. Human beings were such a wonderful species now were lost and stuck in this AI universal wasteland.

  what happened to Warhols face, he look like a seventy year old who had plastic surgery. Did he lie about his age or is it due to heroin?

[moron]

 A very interesting video at the top of this article. The man sitting down at the front with his back to the artwork looks familiar although I just can't place him.

  www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/banksy-artwork-self-destruct-girl-with-balloon-shredded-prank-sothebys-art-auction-a8571551.html

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