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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by iamzero on Oct 8, 2018 20:40:23 GMT 1, What a load of crap and click bait fodder. Never heard that the young girl is meant to be a Syrian refugee before either.
What a load of crap and click bait fodder. Never heard that the young girl is meant to be a Syrian refugee before either.
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by rbrt on Oct 8, 2018 21:13:43 GMT 1, The shredding was being discussed on BBC Radio 4 this morning. Will Gompertz (the BBC Arts Editor) said that Sotheby's asked Pest Control twice if they could remove the painting from the frame to inspect it and were told by PC they could not "as it would damage the artistic and monetary value of the artwork".
Seeing a few comparisons with KLF burning £1,000,000 on this. Definitely think that was a crazier (or bolder) thing to do as Banksy can do an exact copy of this. Bill Drummond from the KLF when asked if he regretted said, "Of course I regret it - who wouldn't!. My children especially regret it, but I don't regret it all the time."
The shredding was being discussed on BBC Radio 4 this morning. Will Gompertz (the BBC Arts Editor) said that Sotheby's asked Pest Control twice if they could remove the painting from the frame to inspect it and were told by PC they could not "as it would damage the artistic and monetary value of the artwork".
Seeing a few comparisons with KLF burning £1,000,000 on this. Definitely think that was a crazier (or bolder) thing to do as Banksy can do an exact copy of this. Bill Drummond from the KLF when asked if he regretted said, "Of course I regret it - who wouldn't!. My children especially regret it, but I don't regret it all the time."
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Too dumb to own a Banksy. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by eyectopus on Oct 8, 2018 21:42:01 GMT 1, Gotta be a WCP copy surely? (and don't call be Surely)
Defo a copy I'd say. Also they mention "one of just 600 mint condition prints in the world." I doubt there are 600 mint condition prints either. They must just make it up as they go along.
Gotta be a WCP copy surely? (and don't call be Surely) Defo a copy I'd say. Also they mention "one of just 600 mint condition prints in the world." I doubt there are 600 mint condition prints either. They must just make it up as they go along. |
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Too dumb to own a Banksy. How smart do you need to be to own one ? Is there a minimum level required ? |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by met on Oct 8, 2018 22:09:43 GMT 1,
This is just a fabrication. Nothing more than a cynical business advertisement for "art specialists", but masquerading as a genuine news article.
The idea is to flatter dupes — by making them feel more intelligent than the people they're supposedly reading about.
MailOnline is all-too-happy to collude in the deception. Any piece with "Banksy" in the title is guaranteed clickbait (i.e. indirect ad revenue) for the website.
This is just a fabrication. Nothing more than a cynical business advertisement for "art specialists", but masquerading as a genuine news article. The idea is to flatter dupes — by making them feel more intelligent than the people they're supposedly reading about. MailOnline is all-too-happy to collude in the deception. Any piece with "Banksy" in the title is guaranteed clickbait (i.e. indirect ad revenue) for the website. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by caruso on Oct 8, 2018 22:44:08 GMT 1, Too dumb to own a Banksy. How smart do you need to be to own one ? Is there a minimum level required ?
Too dumb to own a Banksy. How smart do you need to be to own one ? Is there a minimum level required ? Yes, the level where you know you shouldn't shred it. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by dogstar on Oct 9, 2018 1:18:28 GMT 1, This is just a fabrication. Nothing more than a cynical business advertisement for "art specialists", but masquerading as a genuine news article. The idea is to flatter dupes — by making them feel more intelligent than the people they're supposedly reading about. MailOnline is all-too-happy to collude in the deception. Any piece with "Banksy" in the title is guaranteed clickbait (i.e. indirect ad revenue) for the website. Good to see Jonathan Jones, of all people, laying into the My Art Broker Joey buffoon and his ilk
This is just a fabrication. Nothing more than a cynical business advertisement for "art specialists", but masquerading as a genuine news article. The idea is to flatter dupes — by making them feel more intelligent than the people they're supposedly reading about. MailOnline is all-too-happy to collude in the deception. Any piece with "Banksy" in the title is guaranteed clickbait (i.e. indirect ad revenue) for the website. Good to see Jonathan Jones, of all people, laying into the My Art Broker Joey buffoon and his ilk
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 8:38:47 GMT 1, How smart do you need to be to own one ? Is there a minimum level required ? Yes, the level where you know you shouldn't shred it.
How smart do you need to be to own one ? Is there a minimum level required ? Yes, the level where you know you shouldn't shred it. That rules Banksy out from owning his own stuff. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Carl Cashman on Oct 9, 2018 9:12:40 GMT 1, It's a well made prop, but definitely not a 12 year old work of Art
It's a well made prop, but definitely not a 12 year old work of Art
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by caruso on Oct 9, 2018 9:34:43 GMT 1, Yes, the level where you know you shouldn't shred it. That rules Banksy out from owning his own stuff.
Yes, the level where you know you shouldn't shred it. That rules Banksy out from owning his own stuff. The difference is that Banksy is the artist and therefore can make another one or another hundred right after shredding one, burning it, and throwing it away. |
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own up , who was it ? ................. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by skAcid on Oct 9, 2018 9:56:44 GMT 1,
'Experts, My Art Broker, had to warn people not to shred their Banksy pieces after receiving queries whether it would increase the value and said it was a ‘crying shame’ one of the prints had been destroyed. They said: ‘We’ve had a number of Banksy print owners contact us today asking if they shred their artwork will it be worth more. Please, Please DON’T. The events of the last 24hrs are a very unique piece of art history.’
 
'Experts, My Art Broker, had to warn people not to shred their Banksy pieces after receiving queries whether it would increase the value and said it was a ‘crying shame’ one of the prints had been destroyed. They said: ‘We’ve had a number of Banksy print owners contact us today asking if they shred their artwork will it be worth more. Please, Please DON’T. The events of the last 24hrs are a very unique piece of art history.’ |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by rbrt on Oct 9, 2018 10:13:00 GMT 1, The shredding was being discussed on BBC Radio 4 this morning. Will Gompertz (the BBC Arts Editor) said that Sotheby's asked Pest Control twice if they could remove the painting from the frame to inspect it and were told by PC they could not "as it would damage the artistic and monetary value of the artwork". Surely that would be a question for the owner of the piece, not for Pest Control? Bearing in mind Sotheby's detailed provenance on the lot as having been "acquired directly from the artist by the present owner in 2006".
Ergo, it must have been Pest Control who submitted the piece to auction, which rubbishes Banksy's statement of intent in the video he released after the sale stating "a few years ago I secretly built a shredder into a painting in case it was ever put up for auction".
I do not think Sothebys had anything to do with this as that goes against everything Banksy has positioned himself with to date. Banksy has positioned himself outside the art establishment since his first exhibition. Sotheby's are 100% art establishment. But you never know.
Ofcourse Banksy and PC were not giving out all the facts, if they did then this would not have worked. From what I understand that video that Banksy posted was initially pulled quite quickly from his social media but someone recorded it and that recording went viral then Banksy re-uploaded it.
The shredding was being discussed on BBC Radio 4 this morning. Will Gompertz (the BBC Arts Editor) said that Sotheby's asked Pest Control twice if they could remove the painting from the frame to inspect it and were told by PC they could not "as it would damage the artistic and monetary value of the artwork". Surely that would be a question for the owner of the piece, not for Pest Control? Bearing in mind Sotheby's detailed provenance on the lot as having been "acquired directly from the artist by the present owner in 2006".
Ergo, it must have been Pest Control who submitted the piece to auction, which rubbishes Banksy's statement of intent in the video he released after the sale stating "a few years ago I secretly built a shredder into a painting in case it was ever put up for auction".
I would guess Sotheby's asked the owner (Jo Brooks?) and the owner (who I think would be someone in the Banksy team as they would not leave this to chance) was told to say the frame was made by Banksy and part of the artwork. Once that is said then Sotheby's would need to confirm with Pest Control or they might be effecting part of an artwork that they knew would get high six figures. Sotheby's and PC no doubt have contact on high end artwork, so relatively normal for this to happen. Easy for PC to say to Sotheby's that they cannot take it out. That was enough for Sotheby's to think of the £s & $s and leave it as is. I do not think Sothebys had anything to do with this as that goes against everything Banksy has positioned himself with to date. Banksy has positioned himself outside the art establishment since his first exhibition. Sotheby's are 100% art establishment. But you never know. Ofcourse Banksy and PC were not giving out all the facts, if they did then this would not have worked. From what I understand that video that Banksy posted was initially pulled quite quickly from his social media but someone recorded it and that recording went viral then Banksy re-uploaded it. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 10:13:44 GMT 1, That rules Banksy out from owning his own stuff. The difference is that Banksy is the artist and therefore can make another one or another hundred right after shredding one, burning it, and throwing it away.
thanks for clarification.
That rules Banksy out from owning his own stuff. The difference is that Banksy is the artist and therefore can make another one or another hundred right after shredding one, burning it, and throwing it away. thanks for clarification. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by adewilliams on Oct 9, 2018 10:35:29 GMT 1, definitely time to shred any Pekham rock postcards.
Just catching up with this thread, loved the stunt but thought Banksy should have just stayed quiet about the whole thing. The story about building the shredder into the frame just incase was a bit difficult to swallow.
Good fun all in all though
definitely time to shred any Pekham rock postcards.
Just catching up with this thread, loved the stunt but thought Banksy should have just stayed quiet about the whole thing. The story about building the shredder into the frame just incase was a bit difficult to swallow.
Good fun all in all though
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 10:37:29 GMT 1, Good to see Jonathan Jones, of all people, laying into the My Art Broker Joey buffoon and his ilk
He is spot on when he criticises people who keep talking about how much the artwork is now worth.
Art should be about the appreciation of the image, not about how much it is worth or how much it might be worth in the future. As Jones says, it's perhaps the best thing he has ever done.
Good to see Jonathan Jones, of all people, laying into the My Art Broker Joey buffoon and his ilk
An excellent article. Thanks for posting. Jonathan Jones is always worth reading. He is spot on when he criticises people who keep talking about how much the artwork is now worth. Art should be about the appreciation of the image, not about how much it is worth or how much it might be worth in the future. As Jones says, it's perhaps the best thing he has ever done. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by moron on Oct 9, 2018 10:42:33 GMT 1, That's just post hype , hype and nothing more.
Someone says it's now worth zillions of trillions because of a cheap stunt.
Which proves that the whole Banksy hype and marketing machine is obsessed with money and so is Banksy.
That's just post hype , hype and nothing more. Someone says it's now worth zillions of trillions because of a cheap stunt. Which proves that the whole Banksy hype and marketing machine is obsessed with money and so is Banksy. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 10:46:22 GMT 1, If you think it's about money, you are totally missing the point.
If you think it's about money, you are totally missing the point.
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Fake on Oct 9, 2018 10:56:47 GMT 1, Am I the only one who thinks the blades in the shredder are placed wrong? They are cutting from left to right and this makes it impossible to cut paper like it came out of the frame....
Am I the only one who thinks the blades in the shredder are placed wrong? They are cutting from left to right and this makes it impossible to cut paper like it came out of the frame....
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by met on Oct 9, 2018 10:56:57 GMT 1, own up , who was it ? .................
There's no real mystery here, is there?
It will be one or two "Art experts" with the surname Syer.
Presumably, they'll be congratulating themselves about how clever they are, at least compared to some readers of tabloid newspapers.
own up , who was it ? ................. There's no real mystery here, is there? It will be one or two "Art experts" with the surname Syer. Presumably, they'll be congratulating themselves about how clever they are, at least compared to some readers of tabloid newspapers. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by moron on Oct 9, 2018 11:00:28 GMT 1, The Sotheby's stunt reminds me of this. www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/nyregion/bidders-cry-foul-over-auction-of-banksy-painting.html
I don't believe that Banksy shredded anything at the Sothebys sale.
The blades that are shown where Banksy hands are building the shredder are facing side ways and won't shred anything. Paper shredders don't work that way and any paper lowered through those blades would just get stuck.
The image on paper coming out of the frame is curved or curled at the bottom. What would cause that so quickly to a very flat artwork on paper in the frame?
Sothebys did not notice the wide gap or slit running along the underside of the fat frame?
So unless Banksy actually shows this device in action with the back board removed shredding a single authentic print that is inside the visible from front part of the frame. It's safe to assume either that the art on paper in the front is actually longer than it looks with another image with a shredded part at the bottom of it that went through some sort of roller to show coming out the bottom of the frame. Or the front image went up and an image hidden in the back pre-shredded, went down.
Nice try but no cigar for Banksy or Sothebys.
They both got publicity from this cheap stunt and the hype an dmoney train continues for a while at least.
The Sotheby's stunt reminds me of this. www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/nyregion/bidders-cry-foul-over-auction-of-banksy-painting.html I don't believe that Banksy shredded anything at the Sothebys sale. The blades that are shown where Banksy hands are building the shredder are facing side ways and won't shred anything. Paper shredders don't work that way and any paper lowered through those blades would just get stuck. The image on paper coming out of the frame is curved or curled at the bottom. What would cause that so quickly to a very flat artwork on paper in the frame? Sothebys did not notice the wide gap or slit running along the underside of the fat frame? So unless Banksy actually shows this device in action with the back board removed shredding a single authentic print that is inside the visible from front part of the frame. It's safe to assume either that the art on paper in the front is actually longer than it looks with another image with a shredded part at the bottom of it that went through some sort of roller to show coming out the bottom of the frame. Or the front image went up and an image hidden in the back pre-shredded, went down. Nice try but no cigar for Banksy or Sothebys. They both got publicity from this cheap stunt and the hype an dmoney train continues for a while at least. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Pysgod on Oct 9, 2018 11:00:39 GMT 1, Am I the only one who thinks the blades in the shredder are placed wrong? They are cutting from left to right and this makes it impossible to cut paper like it came out of the frame....
They are jJust for show in this installation of performance art..
Am I the only one who thinks the blades in the shredder are placed wrong? They are cutting from left to right and this makes it impossible to cut paper like it came out of the frame.... They are jJust for show in this installation of performance art.. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by moron on Oct 9, 2018 11:01:33 GMT 1, If you think it's about money, you are totally missing the point.
You can believe otherwise.
If you think it's about money, you are totally missing the point. Banksy has always been a business and marketing plan. You can believe otherwise. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Pysgod on Oct 9, 2018 11:04:29 GMT 1, The Sotheby's stunt reminds me of this. www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/nyregion/bidders-cry-foul-over-auction-of-banksy-painting.html I don't believe that Banksy shredded anything at the Sothebys sale. The blades that are shown where Banksy hands are building the shredder are facing side ways and won't shred anything. Paper shredders don't work that way and any paper lowered through those blades would just get stuck. The image on paper coming out of the frame is curved or curled at the bottom. What would cause that so quickly to a very flat artwork on paper in the frame? Sothebys did not notice the wide gap or slit running along the underside of the fat frame? So unless Banksy actually shows this device in action with the back board removed shredding a single authentic print that is inside the visible from front part of the frame. It's safe to assume either that the art on paper in the front is actually longer than it looks with another image with a shredded part at the bottom of it that went through some sort of roller to show coming out the bottom of the frame. Or the front image went up and an image hidden in the back pre-shredded, went down. Nice try but no cigar for Banksy or Sothebys. They both got publicity from this cheap stunt and the hype an dmoney train continues for a while at least.
Thanks for clearing things up for us 😂
The Sotheby's stunt reminds me of this. www.nytimes.com/2013/11/09/nyregion/bidders-cry-foul-over-auction-of-banksy-painting.html I don't believe that Banksy shredded anything at the Sothebys sale. The blades that are shown where Banksy hands are building the shredder are facing side ways and won't shred anything. Paper shredders don't work that way and any paper lowered through those blades would just get stuck. The image on paper coming out of the frame is curved or curled at the bottom. What would cause that so quickly to a very flat artwork on paper in the frame? Sothebys did not notice the wide gap or slit running along the underside of the fat frame? So unless Banksy actually shows this device in action with the back board removed shredding a single authentic print that is inside the visible from front part of the frame. It's safe to assume either that the art on paper in the front is actually longer than it looks with another image with a shredded part at the bottom of it that went through some sort of roller to show coming out the bottom of the frame. Or the front image went up and an image hidden in the back pre-shredded, went down. Nice try but no cigar for Banksy or Sothebys. They both got publicity from this cheap stunt and the hype an dmoney train continues for a while at least. Thanks for clearing things up for us 😂 |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 11:06:51 GMT 1, If you think it's about money, you are totally missing the point. Banksy has always been a business and marketing plan. You can believe otherwise.
Click on the Guardian link above and have a read. It explains things better than I could.
If you think it's about money, you are totally missing the point. Banksy has always been a business and marketing plan. You can believe otherwise. Whether he has a business and marketing plan or not, you are still missing the point. Click on the Guardian link above and have a read. It explains things better than I could. |
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A Banksy Painting 'Self-Destructed' Sold for $1.1Million, by moron on Oct 9, 2018 11:20:10 GMT 1, Banksy has always been a business and marketing plan. You can believe otherwise. Whether he has a business and marketing plan or not, you are still missing the point. Click on the Guardian link above and have a read. It explains things better than I could.
Is it true that a relative of someone on team Banksy or someone from team Banksy works for the guardian?
Banksy has always been a business and marketing plan. You can believe otherwise. Whether he has a business and marketing plan or not, you are still missing the point. Click on the Guardian link above and have a read. It explains things better than I could. Is it true that a relative of someone on team Banksy or someone from team Banksy works for the guardian? |
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