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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 12:25:59 GMT 1, Donkey Documents, 2007
Aerosol spray paint on composite stone wall.
84 ร 126 in; 213.4 ร 320 cm
Created in Bethlehem, Banksyยดs controversial mural depicts a donkey having its identification papers checked by an armed Israeli soldier, mocking the stringent security measures enforced by the Israeli government.
The piece is part of a series of works created by Banksy along the concrete barrier dividing the Palestinian West Bank from Israel in 2007 and was made to promote his holiday fundraiser exhibition "Santas Ghetto". The work was posted by Banksy on his own website shortly after creation. The excised mural is the largest and most significant intact Banksy mural in existence from his visit to Israel. Banksyยดs location choice, timing and subject matter draws parallels with the donkey depicted in the biblical Christmas story who transported Mary into Bethlehem, where she is believed to have given birth to Jesus. Indeed, Just behind Banksys mural can be seen the cross and bell tower of the Church of The Nativity, built over the spot where Jesus is said to have been born.
All profits from the original buying price was per contract donated to the Orthodox Church in Beit Jala.
A movie has been made about this work. Directed and produced by Italian film maker Marco Proserpio.
"The Man Who Stole Banksy" gives a rare insight of the work with original footage from when it was cut. Iggy Pop narrates the story.
www.artsy.net/artwork/banksy-donkey-documents
Donkey Documents, 2007 Aerosol spray paint on composite stone wall. 84 ร 126 in; 213.4 ร 320 cm Created in Bethlehem, Banksyยดs controversial mural depicts a donkey having its identification papers checked by an armed Israeli soldier, mocking the stringent security measures enforced by the Israeli government. The piece is part of a series of works created by Banksy along the concrete barrier dividing the Palestinian West Bank from Israel in 2007 and was made to promote his holiday fundraiser exhibition "Santas Ghetto". The work was posted by Banksy on his own website shortly after creation. The excised mural is the largest and most significant intact Banksy mural in existence from his visit to Israel. Banksyยดs location choice, timing and subject matter draws parallels with the donkey depicted in the biblical Christmas story who transported Mary into Bethlehem, where she is believed to have given birth to Jesus. Indeed, Just behind Banksys mural can be seen the cross and bell tower of the Church of The Nativity, built over the spot where Jesus is said to have been born. All profits from the original buying price was per contract donated to the Orthodox Church in Beit Jala. A movie has been made about this work. Directed and produced by Italian film maker Marco Proserpio. "The Man Who Stole Banksy" gives a rare insight of the work with original footage from when it was cut. Iggy Pop narrates the story. www.artsy.net/artwork/banksy-donkey-documents
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by galaxy01 on Aug 22, 2018 12:36:06 GMT 1, Surely the guy in the image leaning on it should have gloves on and not just putting his greasy bare hands on the painted areas?
Surely the guy in the image leaning on it should have gloves on and not just putting his greasy bare hands on the painted areas?
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 12:46:34 GMT 1, Surely the guy in the image leaning on it should have gloves on and not just putting his greasy bare hands on the painted areas? Yes your right. I emailed to try find out the price. I think its madness not to put this in Sotheby's or Phillips. After that little Banksy painting selling for over 400,000 grand, what would this make
Surely the guy in the image leaning on it should have gloves on and not just putting his greasy bare hands on the painted areas? Yes your right. I emailed to try find out the price. I think its madness not to put this in Sotheby's or Phillips. After that little Banksy painting selling for over 400,000 grand, what would this make
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 13:18:08 GMT 1, Its fake
I painted it
Honest
Its fake
I painted it
Honest
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by dogstar on Aug 22, 2018 13:27:31 GMT 1, I think its madness not to put this in Sotheby's or Phillips. It's a street piece without COA, Sotheby's or Phillips or any other reputable house won't touch this.
I think its madness not to put this in Sotheby's or Phillips. It's a street piece without COA, Sotheby's or Phillips or any other reputable house won't touch this.
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 13:28:51 GMT 1, Yes your right. I emailed to try find out the price. I think its madness not to put this in Sotheby's or Phillips. After that little Banksy painting selling for over 400,000 grand, what would this make Fรผck what the price is or where they should try to sell it, it should have been left where it was painted. 1 Million% agree with you. I never thought i would see this again in my lifetime.
You might think i'm mad but with the right noise it could go back. Maybe not where it was, somewhere like outside the Walled Off Hotel. This it the most iconic piece he ever done down there and it should go back.
Yes your right. I emailed to try find out the price. I think its madness not to put this in Sotheby's or Phillips. After that little Banksy painting selling for over 400,000 grand, what would this make Fรผck what the price is or where they should try to sell it, it should have been left where it was painted. 1 Million% agree with you. I never thought i would see this again in my lifetime. You might think i'm mad but with the right noise it could go back. Maybe not where it was, somewhere like outside the Walled Off Hotel. This it the most iconic piece he ever done down there and it should go back.
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 13:34:36 GMT 1, Fรผck what the price is or where they should try to sell it, it should have been left where it was painted. 1 Million% agree with you. I never thought i would see this again in my lifetime. You might think i'm mad but with the right noise it could go back. Maybe not where it was, somewhere like outside the Walled Off Hotel. This it the most iconic piece he ever done down there and it should go back. Yes irl1, your fucking right it must go back.
I gave myself a fucking like because its what should happen
Fรผck what the price is or where they should try to sell it, it should have been left where it was painted. 1 Million% agree with you. I never thought i would see this again in my lifetime. You might think i'm mad but with the right noise it could go back. Maybe not where it was, somewhere like outside the Walled Off Hotel. This it the most iconic piece he ever done down there and it should go back. Yes irl1, your fucking right it must go back. I gave myself a fucking like because its what should happen
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by bjoern on Aug 22, 2018 13:38:52 GMT 1, Slightly off topic but I just looked again at the Keszler Gallery website where they list a "Stop & Search" piece painted back in 2007 in Bethlehem as sold. Back to my knowledge (and I have seen it in person) this is now surround by a souvernier shop and still exists at his original wall. So how does it come it has been sold?
Therefore, I would like to know if Keszler one is a fake or has this image been painted twice by Banksy (can't imagine that either)
www.keszlergallery.com/index.html?page=inventory
Slightly off topic but I just looked again at the Keszler Gallery website where they list a "Stop & Search" piece painted back in 2007 in Bethlehem as sold. Back to my knowledge (and I have seen it in person) this is now surround by a souvernier shop and still exists at his original wall. So how does it come it has been sold? Therefore, I would like to know if Keszler one is a fake or has this image been painted twice by Banksy (can't imagine that either) www.keszlergallery.com/index.html?page=inventory
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by Cookiemonster on Aug 22, 2018 13:42:07 GMT 1, Fรผck what the price is or where they should try to sell it, it should have been left where it was painted. 1 Million% agree with you. I never thought i would see this again in my lifetime. You might think i'm mad but with the right noise it could go back. Maybe not where it was, somewhere like outside the Walled Off Hotel. This it the most iconic piece he ever done down there and it should go back. No it wasn't -s**t loads better and more iconic then this one, eg Flower Thrower, Stop and Search, Peace Dove, Girl with Balloons, the several broken wall view pieces (armchairs, picnic etc), Catapult Rat
Fรผck what the price is or where they should try to sell it, it should have been left where it was painted. 1 Million% agree with you. I never thought i would see this again in my lifetime. You might think i'm mad but with the right noise it could go back. Maybe not where it was, somewhere like outside the Walled Off Hotel. This it the most iconic piece he ever done down there and it should go back. No it wasn't -s**t loads better and more iconic then this one, eg Flower Thrower, Stop and Search, Peace Dove, Girl with Balloons, the several broken wall view pieces (armchairs, picnic etc), Catapult Rat
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by iamzero on Aug 22, 2018 13:57:26 GMT 1, I think the label of most iconic is stretching it a touch.
I think the label of most iconic is stretching it a touch.
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by Carl Cashman on Aug 22, 2018 14:20:37 GMT 1,
Surely the guy in the image leaning on it should have gloves on and not just putting his greasy bare hands on the painted areas? Yes your right. I emailed to try find out the price. I think its madness not to put this in Sotheby's or Phillips. After that little Banksy painting selling for over 400,000 grand, what would this make
Can you put chopped up murals in an auction ? I can't see why a big auction house would touch this.
Surely the guy in the image leaning on it should have gloves on and not just putting his greasy bare hands on the painted areas? Yes your right. I emailed to try find out the price. I think its madness not to put this in Sotheby's or Phillips. After that little Banksy painting selling for over 400,000 grand, what would this make Can you put chopped up murals in an auction ? I can't see why a big auction house would touch this.
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 14:22:22 GMT 1, 1 Million% agree with you. I never thought i would see this again in my lifetime. You might think i'm mad but with the right noise it could go back. Maybe not where it was, somewhere like outside the Walled Off Hotel. This it the most iconic piece he ever done down there and it should go back. No it wasn't -s**t loads better and more iconic then this one, eg Flower Thrower, Stop and Search, Peace Dove, Girl with Balloons, the several broken wall view pieces (armchairs, picnic etc), Catapult Rat More meaning in this than most apart from Stop and Search, and look where that one is now. Most people that go down there don't even know where it is, and never get to see it.
Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there.
Don't get me wrong i love them all and hate to see any of them being taken from any part of the World
1 Million% agree with you. I never thought i would see this again in my lifetime. You might think i'm mad but with the right noise it could go back. Maybe not where it was, somewhere like outside the Walled Off Hotel. This it the most iconic piece he ever done down there and it should go back. No it wasn't -s**t loads better and more iconic then this one, eg Flower Thrower, Stop and Search, Peace Dove, Girl with Balloons, the several broken wall view pieces (armchairs, picnic etc), Catapult Rat More meaning in this than most apart from Stop and Search, and look where that one is now. Most people that go down there don't even know where it is, and never get to see it. Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there. Don't get me wrong i love them all and hate to see any of them being taken from any part of the World
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 14:26:58 GMT 1, I think the label of most iconic is stretching it a touch. Okay maybe a tad too much in what i said, was a bit mad in the head when i seen it again, more so as it was from Palestine. I'm okay now, took a few tablets
I think the label of most iconic is stretching it a touch. Okay maybe a tad too much in what i said, was a bit mad in the head when i seen it again, more so as it was from Palestine. I'm okay now, took a few tablets
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 14:29:10 GMT 1, Yes your right. I emailed to try find out the price. I think its madness not to put this in Sotheby's or Phillips. After that little Banksy painting selling for over 400,000 grand, what would this make Can you put chopped up murals in an auction ? I can't see why a big auction house would touch this. --------------- You could be right Carl, but one thing for sure, they won't have to worry too much about provenance
Yes your right. I emailed to try find out the price. I think its madness not to put this in Sotheby's or Phillips. After that little Banksy painting selling for over 400,000 grand, what would this make Can you put chopped up murals in an auction ? I can't see why a big auction house would touch this. --------------- You could be right Carl, but one thing for sure, they won't have to worry too much about provenance
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by Cookiemonster on Aug 22, 2018 14:35:34 GMT 1, No it wasn't -s**t loads better and more iconic then this one, eg Flower Thrower, Stop and Search, Peace Dove, Girl with Balloons, the several broken wall view pieces (armchairs, picnic etc), Catapult Rat More meaning in this than most apart from Stop and Search, and look where that one is now. Most people that go down there don't even know where it is, and never get to see it. Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there. Don't get me wrong i love them all and hate to see any of them being taken from any part of the World OK, what is the meaning of it?
No it wasn't -s**t loads better and more iconic then this one, eg Flower Thrower, Stop and Search, Peace Dove, Girl with Balloons, the several broken wall view pieces (armchairs, picnic etc), Catapult Rat More meaning in this than most apart from Stop and Search, and look where that one is now. Most people that go down there don't even know where it is, and never get to see it. Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there. Don't get me wrong i love them all and hate to see any of them being taken from any part of the World OK, what is the meaning of it?
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 14:42:07 GMT 1, Slightly off topic but I just looked again at the Keszler Gallery website where they list a "Stop & Search" piece painted back in 2007 in Bethlehem as sold. Back to my knowledge (and I have seen it in person) this is now surround by a souvernier shop and still exists at his original wall. So how does it come it has been sold? Therefore, I would like to know if Keszler one is a fake or has this image been painted twice by Banksy (can't imagine that either) www.keszlergallery.com/index.html?page=inventory Yes the Stop and Search is behind glass in a shop run most of the time by two young boys, selling Banksy and Palestinian souvenirs
Slightly off topic but I just looked again at the Keszler Gallery website where they list a "Stop & Search" piece painted back in 2007 in Bethlehem as sold. Back to my knowledge (and I have seen it in person) this is now surround by a souvernier shop and still exists at his original wall. So how does it come it has been sold? Therefore, I would like to know if Keszler one is a fake or has this image been painted twice by Banksy (can't imagine that either) www.keszlergallery.com/index.html?page=inventoryYes the Stop and Search is behind glass in a shop run most of the time by two young boys, selling Banksy and Palestinian souvenirs
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 14:44:59 GMT 1, More meaning in this than most apart from Stop and Search, and look where that one is now. Most people that go down there don't even know where it is, and never get to see it. Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there. Don't get me wrong i love them all and hate to see any of them being taken from any part of the World OK, what is the meaning of it? Lots of meanings to that one, its whatever the person sees or wants to see. Also if you know the history of the country you will see a lot more in it.
More meaning in this than most apart from Stop and Search, and look where that one is now. Most people that go down there don't even know where it is, and never get to see it. Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there. Don't get me wrong i love them all and hate to see any of them being taken from any part of the World OK, what is the meaning of it? Lots of meanings to that one, its whatever the person sees or wants to see. Also if you know the history of the country you will see a lot more in it.
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by hnkpnk on Aug 22, 2018 15:15:19 GMT 1, Slightly off topic but I just looked again at the Keszler Gallery website where they list a "Stop & Search" piece painted back in 2007 in Bethlehem as sold. Back to my knowledge (and I have seen it in person) this is now surround by a souvernier shop and still exists at his original wall. So how does it come it has been sold? Therefore, I would like to know if Keszler one is a fake or has this image been painted twice by Banksy (can't imagine that either) www.keszlergallery.com/index.html?page=inventoryYes the Stop and Search is behind glass in a shop run most of the time by two young boys, selling Banksy and Palestinian souvenirs There were two versions of Girl frisking soldier painted by Banksy (prefer to use the name Stop & Search for Stop & Search). The main difference were the rifle that was on different sides.
Slightly off topic but I just looked again at the Keszler Gallery website where they list a "Stop & Search" piece painted back in 2007 in Bethlehem as sold. Back to my knowledge (and I have seen it in person) this is now surround by a souvernier shop and still exists at his original wall. So how does it come it has been sold? Therefore, I would like to know if Keszler one is a fake or has this image been painted twice by Banksy (can't imagine that either) www.keszlergallery.com/index.html?page=inventoryYes the Stop and Search is behind glass in a shop run most of the time by two young boys, selling Banksy and Palestinian souvenirs There were two versions of Girl frisking soldier painted by Banksy (prefer to use the name Stop & Search for Stop & Search). The main difference were the rifle that was on different sides.
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by Cookiemonster on Aug 22, 2018 15:58:33 GMT 1, OK, what is the meaning of it? Lots of meanings to that one, its whatever the person sees or wants to see. Also if you know the history of the country you will see a lot more in it. You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
OK, what is the meaning of it? Lots of meanings to that one, its whatever the person sees or wants to see. Also if you know the history of the country you will see a lot more in it. You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by Happy Shopper on Aug 22, 2018 16:18:19 GMT 1, Lots of meanings to that one, its whatever the person sees or wants to see. Also if you know the history of the country you will see a lot more in it. You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Can you not take a guess at the meaning of a donkey getting it's ID checked by a soldier in Palestine? Doesn't seem complicated to understand to me.
Lots of meanings to that one, its whatever the person sees or wants to see. Also if you know the history of the country you will see a lot more in it. You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Can you not take a guess at the meaning of a donkey getting it's ID checked by a soldier in Palestine? Doesn't seem complicated to understand to me.
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by Cookiemonster on Aug 22, 2018 16:24:34 GMT 1, You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Can you not take a guess at the meaning of a donkey getting it's ID checked by a soldier in Palestine? Doesn't seem complicated to understand to me. Not me making sweeping statements, and he can speak for himself as well as all of those "down there".
You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Can you not take a guess at the meaning of a donkey getting it's ID checked by a soldier in Palestine? Doesn't seem complicated to understand to me. Not me making sweeping statements, and he can speak for himself as well as all of those "down there".
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 16:31:32 GMT 1, hahaha, my fucked up mind always triggers the monty python sketch when i hear 'down there'
hahaha, my fucked up mind always triggers the monty python sketch when i hear 'down there'
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 17:41:46 GMT 1, Lots of meanings to that one, its whatever the person sees or wants to see. Also if you know the history of the country you will see a lot more in it. You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Let me "not" answer you again . Lets put it this way without being rude. I see what your trying to do, i might not be as educated as you on Banksy, but i'm married into a Muslim family and i know a lot more about down there than you might think i know. The "i presume you mean the Palestinians bit", no i'm talking about everyone down there, both sides, but yes more so the Palestinian side.
Don't try take me for a dickhead, silly i might be, as anyone who knows me will tell you, a dickhead i am not
Lots of meanings to that one, its whatever the person sees or wants to see. Also if you know the history of the country you will see a lot more in it. You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Let me "not" answer you again . Lets put it this way without being rude. I see what your trying to do, i might not be as educated as you on Banksy, but i'm married into a Muslim family and i know a lot more about down there than you might think i know. The "i presume you mean the Palestinians bit", no i'm talking about everyone down there, both sides, but yes more so the Palestinian side. Don't try take me for a dickhead, silly i might be, as anyone who knows me will tell you, a dickhead i am not
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 17:53:33 GMT 1, You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Can you not take a guess at the meaning of a donkey getting it's ID checked by a soldier in Palestine? Doesn't seem complicated to understand to me. Thanks, maybe the idea of the picture is a bit vague for him
You're the one who said it is iconic and "Yes i like Peace Dove, but I.M.O (lets say) Donkey Documents with Stop and Search have more of a meaning down there."
Let me ask you again but without being vague, what does this piece mean to you? As well as to those "down there"? and by those "down there" I presume you mean the Palestinians?
Can you not take a guess at the meaning of a donkey getting it's ID checked by a soldier in Palestine? Doesn't seem complicated to understand to me. Thanks, maybe the idea of the picture is a bit vague for him
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by Peter Bengtsen on Aug 22, 2018 18:31:07 GMT 1, "Back up for sale" doesn't seem quite right considering the co-owners - at the time of purchase MultiplesInc Projects (Peter Hvidberg) and Still Kicking Gallery (Bรถrje Bengtsson and Kenneth Witt) - have been trying to shift this piece since 2014.
"Back up for sale" doesn't seem quite right considering the co-owners - at the time of purchase MultiplesInc Projects (Peter Hvidberg) and Still Kicking Gallery (Bรถrje Bengtsson and Kenneth Witt) - have been trying to shift this piece since 2014.
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by irl1 on Aug 22, 2018 18:54:44 GMT 1, "Back up for sale" doesn't seem quite right considering the co-owners - at the time of purchase MultiplesInc Projects (Peter Hvidberg) and Still Kicking Gallery (Bรถrje Bengtsson and Kenneth Witt) - have been trying to shift this piece since 2014.
Thank you for your post Peter Bengtsen. Their not making a good job of selling it .
I would have thought a Banksy piece like this would sell quicker than 3 to 4 years.
"Back up for sale" doesn't seem quite right considering the co-owners - at the time of purchase MultiplesInc Projects (Peter Hvidberg) and Still Kicking Gallery (Bรถrje Bengtsson and Kenneth Witt) - have been trying to shift this piece since 2014.
Thank you for your post Peter Bengtsen. Their not making a good job of selling it . I would have thought a Banksy piece like this would sell quicker than 3 to 4 years.
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by Peter Bengtsen on Aug 22, 2018 18:56:26 GMT 1, Peter Hvidberg standing on a piece of wall in a warehouse in Malmรถ:
Peter Hvidberg standing on a piece of wall in a warehouse in Malmรถ:
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by Peter Bengtsen on Aug 22, 2018 19:14:25 GMT 1, "Back up for sale" doesn't seem quite right considering the co-owners - at the time of purchase MultiplesInc Projects (Peter Hvidberg) and Still Kicking Gallery (Bรถrje Bengtsson and Kenneth Witt) - have been trying to shift this piece since 2014.
Thank you for your post Peter Bengtsen. Their not making a good job of selling it . I would have thought a Banksy piece like this would sell quicker than 3 to 4 years.
Is it a Banksy piece, though?
No major auction house will touch pieces ripped from the street, in part because these will usually not get a certificate of authenticity from Pest Control. IF a certificate of authenticity were to be given for a removed street piece, it would confirm not only that the street work was originally by Banksy, but also that the removed object is still to be considered a work of art in its current form. From a market point of view this is important because site-specific artworks, which the donkey painting is a clear example of, are arguably ruined once removed, and so should no longer necessarily be considered a work of art by the initial creator.
Most collectors would be apprehensive about paying large sums of money for work that is not authenticated. Add to the above question about the object's questionable status as art the concern that the wall piece for sale could be an outright forgery.
In lieu of formal authentication, sellers will often provide other types of provenance, e.g. images of the removed piece at its original site, images/video of the removal process, documentation on the artist's website/social media of the work being created, etc. While such documentation may seem convincing, it does not remove concerns about the object's status as art created by a specific author (rather than simply a piece of wall with some paint on it). It also does not ensure that the object the buyer receives is not a forged copy of the original street work.
These are some of the reasons decontextualised street artworks tend to not fare well on the art market. Another reason, as stated by godโs ultimate noise, is that most people who are into this type of art believe that street artworks belong in the street where they were made.
Edit: I wrote a book chapter about this a few years back, which is freely available here.
"Back up for sale" doesn't seem quite right considering the co-owners - at the time of purchase MultiplesInc Projects (Peter Hvidberg) and Still Kicking Gallery (Bรถrje Bengtsson and Kenneth Witt) - have been trying to shift this piece since 2014.
Thank you for your post Peter Bengtsen. Their not making a good job of selling it . I would have thought a Banksy piece like this would sell quicker than 3 to 4 years. Is it a Banksy piece, though?
No major auction house will touch pieces ripped from the street, in part because these will usually not get a certificate of authenticity from Pest Control. IF a certificate of authenticity were to be given for a removed street piece, it would confirm not only that the street work was originally by Banksy, but also that the removed object is still to be considered a work of art in its current form. From a market point of view this is important because site-specific artworks, which the donkey painting is a clear example of, are arguably ruined once removed, and so should no longer necessarily be considered a work of art by the initial creator.
Most collectors would be apprehensive about paying large sums of money for work that is not authenticated. Add to the above question about the object's questionable status as art the concern that the wall piece for sale could be an outright forgery.
In lieu of formal authentication, sellers will often provide other types of provenance, e.g. images of the removed piece at its original site, images/video of the removal process, documentation on the artist's website/social media of the work being created, etc. While such documentation may seem convincing, it does not remove concerns about the object's status as art created by a specific author (rather than simply a piece of wall with some paint on it). It also does not ensure that the object the buyer receives is not a forged copy of the original street work.
These are some of the reasons decontextualised street artworks tend to not fare well on the art market. Another reason, as stated by godโs ultimate noise, is that most people who are into this type of art believe that street artworks belong in the street where they were made.
Edit: I wrote a book chapter about this a few years back, which is freely available here.
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Huge Palestinian Banksy back up for sale, by bjoern on Aug 23, 2018 8:19:24 GMT 1, Yes the Stop and Search is behind glass in a shop run most of the time by two young boys, selling Banksy and Palestinian souvenirs There were two versions of Girl frisking soldier painted by Banksy (prefer to use the name Stop & Search for Stop & Search). The main difference were the rifle that was on different sides. I know & saw the one which is now surrounded by a gift shop... where was the other stolen one originally painted?
Yes the Stop and Search is behind glass in a shop run most of the time by two young boys, selling Banksy and Palestinian souvenirs There were two versions of Girl frisking soldier painted by Banksy (prefer to use the name Stop & Search for Stop & Search). The main difference were the rifle that was on different sides. I know & saw the one which is now surrounded by a gift shop... where was the other stolen one originally painted?
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