[jhonnyboy]

Anyone got any thoughts on this I was thinking of putting a bid in just wondering what you lot thought of the provenance etc seller says pest control have confirmed via email it was gifted by banksy?
www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/222640602774

[NYart]

Seemed legit till I read PC coa. They aren’t issued for gifts.. definitely a red flag

-maybe they’re trying to say PC confirmed the staff member in question did receive a print, not that a COA was issued?

[jhonnyboy]

Sept 15, 2017 0:37:25 GMT 1 NYart said:

Seemed legit till I read PC coa. They aren’t issued for gifts.. definitely a red flag

-maybe they’re trying to say PC confirmed the staff member in question did receive a print, not that a COA was issued?

I don't think their saying it has a COA I think they say it has been confirmed by pest control via email that it is legit?

[NYart]

Overall I’d say it seems legit, just would want clarification on what the emails actually said. I’m guessing they’re just confirming the print exists, not that the print they have is authentic.

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Sept 15, 2017 0:30:48 GMT 1 jhonnyboy said:

Anyone got any thoughts on this I was thinking of putting a bid in just wondering what you lot thought of the provenance etc seller says pest control have confirmed via email it was gifted by banksy?
www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/222640602774

Not always but a low feedback score is potentially a worry, certainly would want to see the correspondence with Pest Control, also the top edge looks a bit worrying to me?
See sellers other items for sale, stock image on Toxic Mary and Turf War!!!

Unless they can provide information before the auction ends stay well clear

[jhonnyboy]

Sept 15, 2017 0:50:27 GMT 1 jhonnyboy said:

Sept 15, 2017 0:37:25 GMT 1 NYart said:

Seemed legit till I read PC coa. They aren’t issued for gifts.. definitely a red flag

-maybe they’re trying to say PC confirmed the staff member in question did receive a print, not that a COA was issued?

I don't think their saying it has a COA I think they say it has been confirmed by pest control via email that it is legit?

Just had another look and this is exactly what they are saying
To top it off we have contacted Pest Control and sent images of this print to them and they have confirmed it was gifted from Banksy to the member of staff named on the print. All this evidence including original emails to and from Pest Control can be shown to the buyer.

I know what you are saying that pest control don't usually issue COA for gift prints, so if what they are saying is correct ie that they have direct emails from pest confirming images of this print as being one gifted to a member of staff from Banksy then this must be a rare occurrence?

[coller]

Sept 15, 2017 0:37:25 GMT 1 NYart said:

Seemed legit till I read PC coa. They aren’t issued for gifts..

I don't believe this is accurate.

[Deleted]

jhonnyboy either your judgement is clouded by potential pound sign's or you are implicit in the listing and are attempting to lure forum members into the trap, which one is it?

That said if they can provide the relevant information I take it all back

[Laugh Now 10]

Sept 15, 2017 3:01:09 GMT 1 coller said:

Sept 15, 2017 0:37:25 GMT 1 NYart said:

Seemed legit till I read PC coa. They aren’t issued for gifts..

I don't believe this is accurate.

You are correct - PC does issue COAs for certain "gift prints" but apparently not for all - making the "gift prints" with COAs all the more special...IMO

[Laugh Now 10]

this seller has refused to provide any of the specifics prior to the end of the auction...seller says the "Pest Control confirmation" will only be provided to the buyer AFTER the auction...hmmmmm

[cmc]

Theoretically if someone pays through paypal and the information in the description and therefore the print turns out to be false/fake - i.e the emails from pest, photo's of print owner/worker, pay slips. Can't you claim and get a refund anyway?

[coller]

Sept 15, 2017 4:51:50 GMT 1 cmc said:

Theoretically if someone pays through paypal and the information in the description and therefore the print turns out to be false/fake - i.e the emails from pest, photo's of print owner/worker, pay slips. Can't you claim and get a refund anyway?

I think it's relatively secure. I also think it's real.

Full disclosure, I put in a bid.

Only thing that makes me hesitant is the lack of seller history.

[Deleted]

Sept 15, 2017 5:32:10 GMT 1 coller said:

Sept 15, 2017 4:51:50 GMT 1 cmc said:

Theoretically if someone pays through paypal and the information in the description and therefore the print turns out to be false/fake - i.e the emails from pest, photo's of print owner/worker, pay slips. Can't you claim and get a refund anyway?

I think it's relatively secure. I also think it's real.

Full disclosure, I put in a bid.

Only thing that makes me hesitant is the lack of seller history.

This should go for north of 11k

[J0NNY]

Sept 15, 2017 5:32:10 GMT 1 coller said:

Sept 15, 2017 4:51:50 GMT 1 cmc said:

Theoretically if someone pays through paypal and the information in the description and therefore the print turns out to be false/fake - i.e the emails from pest, photo's of print owner/worker, pay slips. Can't you claim and get a refund anyway?

I think it's relatively secure. I also think it's real.

Full disclosure, I put in a bid.

Only thing that makes me hesitant is the lack of seller history.

Just out of interest why would you put in a bid so early? It seems pointless to bid on something until the very last second in my eyes? Doesn't bidding early just give heaps of time for other buyers to outbid you ?

[Pattycakes]

It's real. It's also non saleable on the open market i.e. through auction, because there is no cert and there never will be. No auction house anywhere will accept this. So if you buy you'll only be buying because you love it... ahhh isn't that a rarity these days

[Matt]

Sept 15, 2017 9:00:09 GMT 1 Pattycakes said:

So if you buy you'll only be buying because you love it... ahhh isn't that a rarity these days

And therein lies the problem with this one : there is no way you can buy this image because you like the art.

It is so outrageously tacky and ugly and ridiculous, that is can only be meant as a joke.

So if you were staff there, and thus part of the joke, this print has meaning and it connects, and that's cool. 

But if you weren't staff there, you can't seriously be buying this for the art. You are either victim of the hype (same one that has people buying unofficial LP for wayyyy too much) or trying to make some dough out of it (which is fine, live and let live eh)

I think that is the genius btw with this Banksy print. It has neither point nor value if you weren't part of the crew

[jhonnyboy]

Sept 15, 2017 7:54:34 GMT 1 J0NNY said:

Sept 15, 2017 5:32:10 GMT 1 coller said:

I think it's relatively secure. I also think it's real.

Full disclosure, I put in a bid.

Only thing that makes me hesitant is the lack of seller history.

Just out of interest why would you put in a bid so early? It seems pointless to bid on something until the very last second in my eyes? Doesn't bidding early just give heaps of time for other buyers to outbid you ?

I've used that method in the past putting in a bid last minute and the listings been ended before the auction ends and sold presumably to the highest bidder very annoying, I've contacted the buyer and they said all the details will be made available the the winner can't see why they can't tell me the name on the print etc? The winning bidders going to see it all anyway!

[Dice]

Pest control always issue a standard email with gift prints or other promos like blowpop covers etc saying they will not authenticate such items.

Then people sell such items with these emails and use the emails as a form of provenance and legitimacy.

Tread carefully.

[Rouen Cathedral]

This has to be one of the worst banksy images/print.

[jhonnyboy]

Sept 15, 2017 12:43:47 GMT 1 Rouen Cathedral said:

This has to be one of the worst banksy images/print.

Really I quite like it I suppose it's down to individual taste I like the fact the style of the print isn't in a typical Banksy style

[smallpaul]

jhonnyboy I'd leave it well alone imho, if you've got £7-8k to play with to obtain a Banksy use it on getting a piece with a genuine pest control issued cert.

[jhonnyboy]

Sept 16, 2017 7:37:51 GMT 1 smallpaul said:

jhonnyboy I'd leave it well alone imho, if you've got £7-8k to play with to obtain a Banksy use it on getting a piece with a genuine pest control issued cert.

Thanks for the advice I've already got a couple of pieces so I'm not totally new to this I'm not looking to flip it so I'm not too worried about the COA as I know what pest are like on these gift prints. I suppose my thinking is most Banksy prints are available for sale all the time and these come up very rarely with as good a prov as this seems to have. The art market is a funny game and in the future as long as it's got very strong provenance that can't be argued with I personally see these being very sought after just on the fact so few were made compared to a normal addition. Also I'm with a few others in thinking that these will get authentification in the future when the dust settles.ice never understood Banksy's position on not authenticating these on pest site it says authenticating works to protect buyers from forgerys it doesn't say anything about unless it was a gift it's a strange stance to take the only reason that can be behind it is that he doesn't want to let the people he gifted it to sell it on why? Mostly these were students who when i visited anyway did a great job at acting dismal Banksy could of easily given a COA to each of them and if they sold them to get their first car or a deposit on a flat good luck to them would it of really harmed him? I think not so I for one don't mind paying what is not a lot of money for a signed and if it helps someone out all the better. Rant over

[smallpaul]

Sept 16, 2017 10:24:07 GMT 1 jhonnyboy said:

Sept 16, 2017 7:37:51 GMT 1 smallpaul said:

jhonnyboy I'd leave it well alone imho, if you've got £7-8k to play with to obtain a Banksy use it on getting a piece with a genuine pest control issued cert.

Thanks for the advice I've already got a couple of pieces so I'm not totally new to this I'm not looking to flip it so I'm not too worried about the COA as I know what pest are like on these gift prints. I suppose my thinking is most Banksy prints are available for sale all the time and these come up very rarely with as good a prov as this seems to have. The art market is a funny game and in the future as long as it's got very strong provenance that can't be argued with I personally see these being very sought after just on the fact so few were made compared to a normal addition. Also I'm with a few others in thinking that these will get authentification in the future when the dust settles.ice never understood Banksy's position on not authenticating these on pest site it says authenticating works to protect buyers from forgerys it doesn't say anything about unless it was a gift it's a strange stance to take the only reason that can be behind it is that he doesn't want to let the people he gifted it to sell it on why? Mostly these were students who when i visited anyway did a great job at acting dismal Banksy could of easily given a COA to each of them and if they sold them to get their first car or a deposit on a flat good luck to them would it of really harmed him? I think not so I for one don't mind paying what is not a lot of money for a signed and if it helps someone out all the better. Rant over

If you like it go for it which is what Art is all about and I agree with what you said mostly but pretty sure you won't ever get a Pest Control coa for a gifted print unless Banksy personally verifies he gifted it to you as I've found out with one of mine which has been verified and confirmed by POW as genuine and gifted to a fellow artist but on the basis it wasn't personally gifted to me and is in effect third hand/ backdoor they won't have any of it hence why I think it's safer to buy a piece with a pc coa, good luck either way.