[hops]

Jul 7, 2020 17:06:23 GMT 1 Mr Murk said:

Jul 7, 2020 16:56:49 GMT 1 hops said:

You are a salty clown Tom.  This post says it all about your character and how you deal with your clientele.  The Faile Tower was not “chopped up” in any way, it was made up of 100’s of loose pieces that were never cut or damaged.  No chopping like you claim, just disassembled.  Faile never had me sign ANY agreement nor did Perry Rubinstein Gallery to keep the Faile Tower as one.  In fact when I purchased it in 2010 Rubinstein Gallery asked me if I would keep the piece as one or part it out into pieces eventually.  After 9 years of owning I decided to sell pieces individually to at least get half my 100k back.  Get the facts straight Tom.  You are a despicable person in real life, and you wasted my time once when you flew to see my collection.  I even paid for your hotel.  Talk about someone who can’t pay their bills.  Look at yourself and your failing gallery and see who you really are.  A clown on the brink of losing everything, including your integrity.  

Lol this isn’t Tom you unhinged lunatic, my name is Will and we both know you wouldn’t talk that kindas**t to our faces short stuff. It’s too bad that old thread about what exactly you did and what the people on the board thought about you is gone because it was hilarious. You scammed people so hard you even had fake welded metal frames made for the individual sections Lolololol. And if what you did was legit why did Faile call you out after they had lots of people asking for them to certify the sections as legit when they never had any intentions of it being parted out?! But we are the clowns? Lol

Nobody got scammed at all and 95% buyers were completely happy with their pieces.  That “old thread” is not gone either you monkey.  Look down about half way on the Faile page and you’ll see the post “PSA Faile Tower”
Again, get all your facts straight you clown.  You sound just as miserable as your partner Tom at Black Book Gallery in Denver.  

[Mr Murk]

Jul 7, 2020 17:13:36 GMT 1 hops said:

Jul 7, 2020 17:06:23 GMT 1 Mr Murk said:

Lol this isn’t Tom you unhinged lunatic, my name is Will and we both know you wouldn’t talk that kindas**t to our faces short stuff. It’s too bad that old thread about what exactly you did and what the people on the board thought about you is gone because it was hilarious. You scammed people so hard you even had fake welded metal frames made for the individual sections Lolololol. And if what you did was legit why did Faile call you out after they had lots of people asking for them to certify the sections as legit when they never had any intentions of it being parted out?! But we are the clowns? Lol

Nobody got scammed at all and 95% buyers were completely happy with their pieces.  That “old thread” is not gone either you monkey.  Look down about half way on the Faile page and you’ll see the post “PSA Faile Tower”
Again, get all your facts straight you clown.  You sound just as miserable as your partner Tom at Black Book Gallery in Denver.  

Literally the first post explains that the pieces are considered counterfeit Lolololol

urbanartassociation.com/thread/158202/psa-faile-works-wood-tower

And yes Brian we are miserable fucks because we deal with fucking morons like you.

[hops]

Read the entire thread, both pages you monkey. Nice chatting with you Will.
🤦🏻‍♂️

[Mr Murk]

Jul 7, 2020 17:21:46 GMT 1 hops said:

Read the entire thread, both pages you monkey. Nice chatting with you Will.
🤦🏻‍♂️

It was my pleasure you crazy little (broke) rascal!! ❤️❤️❤️

[Graham H]

Crikey.. that got personal real quickly..

Not sure how I feel about a gallery coming on here and talking in that manner and openly admitting to ' F*cking ' with someone whatever has gone on in the past.. doesnt really make me want to spend money ..

I also hadnt realised Faile pieces sold for $100k...

Not my battle, but not really sure this kind of thing needs to be on here at all

[lorraballs]

Eeeenyhow, as Faile is apparently over, if you have anything from 04 or prior, lerrus know. Partic interested in Scub Horse, Mao, F head, monster. You know the stuff I mean. Ta

[zacksz 123123]

Could I ask how breaking up the Faile tower is any different then let’s say... breaking up the suitcase of di-face tenners and selling each individually.

The suit case auctioned at 16 and then 24k lb. the greedy people who split this up against the original COA are making a killing but it wasn’t the artists original intention and the buyer had to put their trust no longer in a COA but in the person splitting it up. Fast forward to today, people now are looking for the laz letter as if this means anything.


Wasn’t there also a Hirst piece cut up recently? They cut each dot into its own individual square, and then had certificates from the cutter for each circle. Yes each circle together fetched more than the original piece.


It also seems that this Faile piece is real and up to the buyer to do with as they choose to do so as I have mentioned with other recent pieces being split up. If the buyer created some little fancy letter or certificate with each piece that was split up would it then please the masses as laz is doing with his monthly releases and increased prices on each release?

There should be something said about trying to make some very expensive art more accessible by separating it into pieces. If a banksy original was going to be cut up I bet people would jump on it in a second too!

[Momo]

Jul 7, 2020 17:41:32 GMT 1 Graham H said:

Crikey.. that got personal real quickly..

Not sure how I feel about a gallery coming on here and talking in that manner and openly admitting to ' F*cking ' with someone whatever has gone on in the past.. doesnt really make me want to spend money ..

I also hadnt realised Faile pieces sold for $100k...

Not my battle, but not really sure this kind of thing needs to be on here at all

Yup, First - that went intense fast. Second - 100k, I'm off now to try find pics of the original piece and the subsequent pieces of said piece.

[vvk]

if anyone has pieces of this to unload of this piece, please let me know. I missing about 400 pcs to complete the set.
#notfaile   

[Express Post]

I think what this thread means by Faile being over is that Faile prices are underwater, worth less than cost. People have fūcked their money, and there is zero flip value. Guy can't get back his money for the Faile tower.

You can still chase those early pieces, but I doubt you are going to offer more than cost. More likely going to be disrespectful and offer less than cost. You could be like, 'How low will you go?' or 'Is that the best price?'.

Bit shįt if ur the owner holdin for 16+ years.

Jul 8, 2020 12:47:47 GMT 1 lorraballs said:

Eeeenyhow, as Faile is apparently over, if you have anything from 04 or prior, lerrus know. Partic interested in Scub Horse, Mao, F head, monster. You know the stuff I mean. Ta

[The Fool]

Wow, Black Book Gallery seems like a really professional establishment.

[maw314]

I own a handful of Failes and I will never sell them. They are great artists willing to take risks and they’ve evolved for the better over time. I will keep buying failes I like for the foreseeable future.

Some of you are obsessed with less talented artists, who will prove to be a flash in the pan, just because someone else might pay like 20-50% more for their works than you did (the “greater fool”).

“Is Faile over” as a subject line made me laugh. If you myopically focus on minor changes in market prices and think those changes reflect quality you should take up another hobby - like knitting.

[Express Post]

I like their art.
A strong period was 2007-2008. They did the laz show, Tate Modern paste up.
Title of this thread should have been "I can't make money off flipping Faile - Discuss"

Jul 9, 2020 3:10:37 GMT 1 maw314 said:

I own a handful of Failes and I will never sell them. They are great artists willing to take risks and they’ve evolved for the better over time. I will keep buying failes I like for the foreseeable future.

Some of you are obsessed with less talented artists, who will prove to be a flash in the pan, just because someone else might pay like 20-50% more for their works than you did (the “greater fool”).

“Is Faile over” as a subject line made me laugh. If you myopically focus on minor changes in market prices and think those changes reflect quality you should take up another hobby - like knitting.

[Gentle Mental]

Flipping Faile is kinda over.
For now.
They need a second wind. Some new big auction results.
A successful show in Asia. The return of Aiko? Something.

If Mr Doodle can do it...

Faile hasn’t progress much though. The older work feels more gutsy, raw, random and iconic.

They are losing their “street” touch.

The newer ones are too polished. Corporate. Too Adobe/Vector - ish?

Just realised, at their best, Faile do give the same cool vibes as the great Pettibone.



Nonetheless - still very lovely art to have on your walls.

Quite timeless aesthetics.

Their work delivers far more joy than 90 percent of the hot crap hyped in these forums.

[pac]

Have to agree old school Faile and Bast just make me smile.

[morton]

Jul 10, 2020 1:50:18 GMT 1 pac said:

Have to agree old school Faile and Bast just make me smile.

"Old school Faile"

[supercade]

Jul 9, 2020 4:18:40 GMT 1 Gentle Mental said:

Their work delivers far more joy than 90 percent of the hot crap hyped in these forums.

This. Anyone who wants to get their money out of their failed speculative “collecting” please hit me up...

[WOOF]

Jul 9, 2020 1:28:22 GMT 1 Express Post said:

I think what this thread means by Faile being over is that Faile prices are underwater, worth less than cost. People have fūcked their money, and there is zero flip value. Guy can't get back his money for the Faile tower.

You can still chase those early pieces, but I doubt you are going to offer more than cost. More likely going to be disrespectful and offer less than cost. You could be like, 'How low will you go?' or 'Is that the best price?'.

Bit shįt if ur the owner holdin for 16+ years.

Sold a few faile prints recently. Not sure what you're on about. Like any artist, some works are worth more than others.

[Express Post]

You can sell any piece of art by any artist as long as the price is low enough.

I guess we need to treat this case by case.
For your sales, what was the ballpark profit/loss as a percentage, and how long was the hold?

Jul 21, 2020 4:51:57 GMT 1 WOOF said:

Jul 9, 2020 1:28:22 GMT 1 Express Post said:

I think what this thread means by Faile being over is that Faile prices are underwater, worth less than cost. People have fūcked their money, and there is zero flip value. Guy can't get back his money for the Faile tower.

You can still chase those early pieces, but I doubt you are going to offer more than cost. More likely going to be disrespectful and offer less than cost. You could be like, 'How low will you go?' or 'Is that the best price?'.

Bit shįt if ur the owner holdin for 16+ years.

Sold a few faile prints recently. Not sure what you're on about. Like any artist, some works are worth more than others.

[WOOF]

Jul 21, 2020 6:42:27 GMT 1 Express Post said:

You can sell any piece of art by any artist as long as the price is low enough.

I guess we need to treat this case by case.
For your sales, what was the ballpark profit/loss as a percentage, and how long was the hold?

Jul 21, 2020 4:51:57 GMT 1 WOOF said:

Sold a few faile prints recently. Not sure what you're on about. Like any artist, some works are worth more than others.

25-35% profit across the board with 4-5 year holds, no losses. 

[pac]

Remind me never to buy any Faile from you

Jul 21, 2020 22:22:07 GMT 1 WOOF said:

Jul 21, 2020 6:42:27 GMT 1 Express Post said:

You can sell any piece of art by any artist as long as the price is low enough.

I guess we need to treat this case by case.
For your sales, what was the ballpark profit/loss as a percentage, and how long was the hold?

25-35% profit across the board with 4-5 year holds, no losses. 

[magman]

Jul 11, 2020 2:16:28 GMT 1 hops said:

Faile Original Bunny Boy x Brave And Strong Painting On Wood 
12x20x2 inches from 2012
$5900

now $4900

So this is about as classic Faile image as you can get, right here! Classic Faile and this guy can't give this thing away... FAILED TO SELL


So Faile IS basically over.

[maw314]

Jul 22, 2020 0:50:45 GMT 1 magman said:

Jul 11, 2020 2:16:28 GMT 1 hops said:

Faile Original Bunny Boy x Brave And Strong Painting On Wood 
12x20x2 inches from 2012
$5900

now $4900

So this is about as classic Faile image as you can get, right here! Classic Faile and this guy can't give this thing away... FAILED TO SELL


So Faile IS basically over.

Listed for $6k, posted all of 11 days ago...

“Can’t give it away”

Sure dude

[WOOF]

Jul 22, 2020 0:50:45 GMT 1 magman said:

Jul 11, 2020 2:16:28 GMT 1 hops said:

Faile Original Bunny Boy x Brave And Strong Painting On Wood 
12x20x2 inches from 2012
$5900

now $4900

So this is about as classic Faile image as you can get, right here! Classic Faile and this guy can't give this thing away... FAILED TO SELL


So Faile IS basically over.

Putting side this particular seller's relationship to works by faile, you can see that from the two other classic faile works they've put up for sale recently, one sold in 3 days and the other is pending. Seems the market for good images is there, and maybe bunny boy and something from their native american imagery explorations have slid down the totem pole a bit...

[pac]

The boxes are never going to sell as quickly as prints - there are just fewer people that can work them in to their decor.. Let alone flat file. Plus shipping is a pain for non US buyers in the case of this one.

Not sure why so much energy being put in to all this but maybe people are bored.

[Express Post]

Profit is profit.

For example just say the average spend was $300 for three prints. Say 30%, average 25-35%, so $90 a print. Held over 4 years, so $22.50 per annum. Cost of ship was $20 a print. Leaves you with $70 a print, or $210 total made over 4years. $52.50 a year.

I should have said that the market for $2k and above faile works are over.

Sub $500 easier to move.

Jul 21, 2020 22:22:07 GMT 1 WOOF said:

Jul 21, 2020 6:42:27 GMT 1 Express Post said:

You can sell any piece of art by any artist as long as the price is low enough.

I guess we need to treat this case by case.
For your sales, what was the ballpark profit/loss as a percentage, and how long was the hold?

25-35% profit across the board with 4-5 year holds, no losses. 

[therivler1]

Jul 22, 2020 2:24:57 GMT 1 pac said:

The boxes are never going to sell as quickly as prints - there are just fewer people that can work them in to their decor..

I agree.  I like looking at and admiring the boxes - would never buy one though.

[supercade]

Jul 22, 2020 1:29:43 GMT 1 maw314 said:

Jul 22, 2020 0:50:45 GMT 1 magman said:

So this is about as classic Faile image as you can get, right here! Classic Faile and this guy can't give this thing away... FAILED TO SELL


So Faile IS basically over.

Listed for $6k, posted all of 11 days ago...

“Can’t give it away”

Sure dude

Okay. I really regret bumping this thread... but using this one work not selling immediately as a gauge of their career is insane. The boxes are amazing, but they are tough to consider buying. At least for me. Any of the multi-sided pieces are. You have to treat it as sculpture and to display it properly so all sides can be appreciated it will most likely be exposed. You can case in acrylic, but that ruins the aesthetic, imho. I don't have a vitrine for works like this so it would go on a table or shelf where a guest or housekeeper could easily knock it over and at that price... well, it's a risk. I mean, you could frame it, but then what side do you put forward? I'm just saying it's a difficult piece to display unless you have a dedicated gallery space. And $6K for a cool object sitting on a table is a challenge for most. Hell, I put a relatively small metal-framed "Faile Girl" block work in a Soho House exhibition I did and the installer just about wanted to strangle me because it was so heavy. He had to go out and get special anchors. These works require the right buyer.

[ncewnimw]

Easy. Put em in a perplex box. Problem solved.

http://instagram.com/p/BhPY8tHAZXB

[WOOF]

Jul 22, 2020 2:53:58 GMT 1 Express Post said:

Profit is profit.

For example just say the average spend was $300 for three prints. Say 30%, average 25-35%, so $90 a print. Held over 4 years, so $22.50 per annum. Cost of ship was $20 a print. Leaves you with $70 a print, or $210 total made over 4years. $52.50 a year.

I should have said that the market for $2k and above faile works are over.

Sub $500 easier to move.

Jul 21, 2020 22:22:07 GMT 1 WOOF said:

25-35% profit across the board with 4-5 year holds, no losses. 

So when I tell you more than one sold for more than 2k, will you stop trying to push the idea that faile is dead?