Heavy Weaponry Clamp

[tartarus]

May 15, 2017 16:59:25 GMT 1 Dr Plip said:

An antique dealer once told me that POA stood for "Plucked Out of Arse".

Anyway GLWS.

sounds fair. I always had it down as Priced On Appearance. 

[hnkpnk]

If it's a fake it's really a good one. But if I had to say I think the lines that should be straight (as on the canvas) are a bit too wobbly and all details doesn't match 100 %.

Here's where I think the worst parts are:





Edit: I know! But I think this is fun and I know how to do it!

[bernsteiner]

Thanks for this smart visual analysis. Just to add. The wobbly thing depends on the angle of th clamp in the lower right corner since the stencil was flat. IMO another aspect for an authentic piece; who ever applied it he/she worked like a street artist, quick, maybe in the shadow of the night..

that may also explain the drips I already mentioned above: the stencil seems to be reused and the wet paint was pressed by the stencil on the clamp (here again, see the red arrows):



It leads to the question: Does a faker try to make it such "bad" or most beautiful (see the red squares in the Photo: anybody tried to scratch these drips off)?

[Dr Plip]

May 16, 2017 9:39:01 GMT 1 bernsteiner said:

Thanks for this smart visual analysis. Just to add. The wobbly thing depends on the angle of th clamp in the lower right corner since the stencil was flat. IMO another aspect for an authentic piece; who ever applied it he/she worked like a street artist, quick, maybe in the shadow of the night..

that may also explain the drips I already mentioned above: the stencil seems to be reused and the wet paint was pressed by the stencil on the clamp (here again, see the red arrows):



It leads to the question: Does a faker try to make it such "bad" or most beautiful (see the red squares in the Photo: anybody tried to scratch these drips of)?

There are a few stencil artists on here that might be able/willing to tell you what those various smudges and marks are likely caused by. But, honestly, this isn't the kind of painting that can be analysed by Fiona Bruce and Bendor Grosvenor. You're unlikely to be able to analyse the brushstrokes or check the provenance on a painted road clamp.

I understand you wanting to assign authenticity to it though. I would too. I would make it my life's work.

But your absolute best bet is to purchase some genuine Banksy originals, then get a fingerprint specialist to work them over, lifting any matching dabs they can find. Then set them to work on your clamp.

Or hairs.

But you'll still have the not-very-minor problem of the artist saying he/she didn't make it.

[Deleted]

I can see how is a stencil has been used a number of times and with heavy spray paint it can get clogged in parts and the finished art be slighly different and amsller in parts to the first stencil sprayed piece. The paint creeping under a stencil and marking the surface happens a lot when one is in a hurry and spraying a number of things.

If PC say it's fake, then it's fake. Unlike some so called art authentication people and boards who do have a financial interest in controlling the market for a particular artist, hand in glove with un named auction houses.

This is not the case with PC.

[bernsteiner]

Ploppi, thanks for your helpful statement. You describe exactly what I supposed for a long time.. why that piece looks (slightly different) like it does (than the Bonhams).

Again: Did anybody here ever got a reply by PC "it's a fake"?

[iamzero]

It's a fake dude. Doesn't matter how many times you over analyse it. PC have told you its fake. Put it on you wall and enjoy it or take it back to the gallery for a refund.

[Deleted]

Who were the gallery ? 

[bernsteiner]

They can call it what they like. Especially If Banksy has done it, they must call it a fake. 

I've several Harings, personally signed.. not listed by the Haring Foundation = Fake (in their words). Should I mistrust my friends who talked to Haring while he signed it?

PC has an agenda.. like every artist foundation: clearing the market. 


I'm still interested if anybody ever got the reply "It's a fake" by PC?

[Matt]

May 16, 2017 14:38:32 GMT 1 bernsteiner said:

They can call it what they like. Especially If Banksy has done it, they must call it a fake. 

I've several Harings, personally signed.. not listed by the Haring Foundation = Fake (in their words). Should I mistrust my friends who talked to Haring while he signed it?

PC has an agenda.. like every artist foundation: clearing the market.

Because you seem to know so much about this, you understand that it is somewhat irrelevant whether it is real of fake ?

If you are convinced of your story (and you must given your logic that "Especially If Banksy has done it, they must call it a fake") and if you are happy with what you paid for it, then that is great. 

But for the rest of the world, it is as good as fake. Even if it is real, it is no better than if it were fake...



So maybe now, enjoy your wheel clamp, and maybe make friends with someone who saw Banksy paint it, it'll add to the legend 

[bernsteiner]

You name it mattl! thanks

Anyway the question is there (and I will follow it in other cases if possible): Why did PC replied in this manner?

[Flashback]

Because it's fake.

[.dappy]

May 14, 2017 14:39:06 GMT 1 .dappy said:

... some people so want to believe ... 🙄 😖

... this ...

[Unica]

May 16, 2017 14:49:59 GMT 1 bernsteiner said:

You name it mattl! thanks

Anyway the question is there (and I will follow it in other cases if possible): Why did PC replied in this manner?

I don't think there is any question, its fake and not by Banksy. Sorry, I'd try and get a refund if I were you.

[Happy Shopper]

May 16, 2017 14:49:59 GMT 1 bernsteiner said:

Anyway the question is there (and I will follow it in other cases if possible): Why did PC replied in this manner?

It's increasingly clear that if they told you "we can't authenticate it", you'd have taken that to mean "it could be real".
But they were straight with you, to avoid misinterpretation.

[Deleted]

Can somebody please put an end to this. Don't try and convince yourself it's real when you can't get the authentication from the only people who can do it for you. Please go and get your money back.

[iamzero]

I'm not quite sure what you aimed to achieve by posting on here dude? Were/ are you looking for some sort of approval from forum members over the main authority on genuine pieces? The main objective from the advice on here telling you they believe it to be a faked piece is so you can go get yourself a refund. No matter what anyone says on here you have convinced yourself for it to be the real deal. I could've knocked you one of those up in a couple of hours. I am however impressed you have some Haring pieces.

[Dr Plip]

Picture the scene:

It's the year 2000. Some clamper is wandering around Hackney, checking his traps to see if his family can eat that night. He comes across a white transit van. It's parked slightly where it shouldn't be, so.... being a bastard, he clamps it.

The white van man wakes up in the morning. After downing some tea and consuming a full English, he has a S.S.S. and then goes to his van, ready to start a day of annoying motorists, being casually sexist and stereotyping everyone he meets. Gor blimey, guvnor, what's this? His van has been clamped.

Enraged and with the veins popping on his forehead, he walks up and down for a bit. Swears some. Paces again. Swears some more.

After wasting 20 minutes of crying and futilely attempting to chew threw the chain on the clamp, he decides to call the clamping company and give them a piece of his mind.

10 seconds later, after much abuse back and forth, he agrees to pay the clampers fee.

The clamper decides that while he didn't like having the legitimacy of his birth called into question, he would still however be willing to remove the clamp in exchange for cash that morning.

About half an hour later, the clamper arrives and approaches the trapped van.

F*ck me sideways, what's this? As he approaches the van, he notices some 30 year old, hoodie-wearing teenager crouched by the clamp. Spray can in one hand, and a stencil in the other.

The little artistic shorthouse is caught red-handed, vandalising the clamp. And in broad daylight too.

The clamper runs up behind the obviously talented and politically left-leaning ne'er-do-well and grabs him by the collar.

"Get orf me! I ain't dun nuffin! I found it like this! I was just holding this can of paint and the stencil for a guy that ran that way" the vandal said in a thick Bristolian accent.

"I don't care how obvious an art genius you are, I am going to kick seven shades of sh*t out of you" said the clamper.

"Please don't, mister. I'm not well." said the vandal.

"I can tell that by the way you talk, son" replied the clamper.

"What's your name, you young scamp? Heavy Weaponary?"

"Banksy, sir"

"I'll tell you what, young Banksy. I can't help but notice how talented an artist you are. I also notice that you've painted an elephant on my clamp. My wife happens to love elephants. And I guess I also like the cut of your jib. So I'm going to let you go on your way. You keep doing what you do best and maybe someday, this clamp will be worth something. So, I'm going to take this clamp home, keep it for a few years, monitor your artistic career, and then perhaps sell it to some guy in Germany at some point. Or maybe even just put it on eBay, which.... while in its infancy now, may one day be a successful platform for selling items of street art"

"Thanks mister. I won't forget this. Or this clamp"

"I know you won't, you young rascal. Now go on, be off with you"

Anyway, I don't want to labour a point, but even if all that happened, the clamper still wouldn't know or be able to prove that was Banksy that put the elephant on the clamp.

PC were the only ones that would be able to say it was by Banksy.

*whispers* and even if they did say it was by Banksy, you still wouldn't ever know if it actually was....

[Dr Plip]

Pest Control must have a massive archive of emails and pictures relating to items that they've judged to be fake. Like really, really massive. Which is probably why the internet is slow sometimes.

[11]

if the friend that talked to Haring while he signed your prints was the same one that sold you the clamp then.......


can you PM me, I've found a pollock laying on my garage floor and it seems to be right up your street

[iamzero]

I'll sell you this one but you'll need a skip truck to collect it.

http://instagram.com/p/BBaUcEepx0o

[Dr Plip]

May 16, 2017 19:12:40 GMT 1 iamzero said:

I'll sell you this one but you'll need a skip truck to collect it.

http://instagr.am/p/BBaUcEepx0o

[Dr Plip]

bernsteiner, do you know if the art dealer that you purchased it from ever attempted to get PC to authenticate this piece? And did you consider contacting PC about it before you purchased it?

[iamzero]

I came home from work once to find a man in a monkey mask painting this on my gas meter cupboard. Pest control applied for.

flic.kr/p/fTXkBj

[bernsteiner]

Mr Plip, you make my day. Every minute I spent here is worth this fantastic story.. how a wheelclamp became a beloved and exciting piece in my collection. I'll print it out and paste it beside PCs mail on the back of the object.

I'm still a little sad that many people here don't differentiate between greed and an mindful exchange about the behaviour of an artist and his work.

People: I didn't expect anything here; I haven't lost anything. I collect art because I love that it conserves our lifetime for further generations. This clamp is a piece of it.

It's not important what you own; it's important what you make out of it.

The answer to my question is still not answered .. maybe I find it here someday or it finds me. Thank you for the support. Most contributors here are really great!

[bernsteiner]

May 16, 2017 19:34:05 GMT 1 Dr Plip said:

bernsteiner , do you know if the art dealer that you purchased it from ever attempted to get PC to authenticate this piece? And did you consider contacting PC about it before you purchased it?

He sent a convolut of pieces in one including the clamp to PC and of course they replied "we don't authenticate". I still got this mail somewhere..
I made a lot of research on my own and held the clamp for several month before I asked PC.    

[Dr Plip]

May 16, 2017 19:56:09 GMT 1 bernsteiner said:

Mr Plip, you make my day. Every minute I spent here is worth this fantastic story.. how a wheelclamp became a beloved and exciting piece in my collection. I'll print it out and paste it beside PCs mail on the back of the onject.



I'm still a little sad that many people here don't differentiate between greed and an mindful exchange about the behaviour of an artist and his work.



People: I didn't expect anything here; I haven't lost anything. I collect art because I love that it conserves our lifetime for further generations. This clamp is a piece of it.



It's not important what you own; it's important what you make out of it.



The answer to my question is still not answered .. maybe I find it here someday or it finds me. Thank you for the support. Most contributors here are really great!

If you really want to know if PC have changed their policy regarding the wording of their rejected authenticity claims, you could always spray up a couple of cones or a brick, send off a few emails using your friends names, then wait to see what they say.

But for the love of god, don't tell Pest Control that I said this. They'll have my balls cut off.

[bernsteiner]

Thanks for the hint but I'll keep it like it is. I'm sure that this board will have the right answer someday.

[Unica]

May 16, 2017 20:14:36 GMT 1 bernsteiner said:

Thanks for the hint but I'll keep it like it is. I'm sure that this board will have the right answer someday.

What is the question?

[iamzero]

Have I been ripped off.