[Sturban Has Saggy Tits]

Mar 11, 2016 16:54:21 GMT 1 marigot said:

Mar 11, 2016 16:22:00 GMT 1 pklong17 said:

Fierce Gallery is horrible. I will be writing a full review of my experience in the proper section.

I'm curious to know what happened , i've made some purchases with FG in the past and  Bruce has always been very helpfull and friendly

I've used Fierce before after being cautious it was online only. But I can also say I've had great service from start to finish.

[DrWhite]

Mar 11, 2016 17:03:40 GMT 1 Sturban Has Saggy Tits said:

Mar 11, 2016 16:54:21 GMT 1 marigot said:

I'm curious to know what happened , i've made some purchases with FG in the past and  Bruce has always been very helpfull and friendly

I've used Fierce before after being cautious it was online only. But I can also say I've had great service from start to finish.

Yep same here - always had a perfect deal with Bruce at fierce - I am surprised !

[pklong17]

Apparently he only wants face to face deals then, and therefore pleasant experiences.
We agreed to price, I offered a deposit so that he could send me the edition number and COA so that I could perform my due diligence. He said that Banksy is flying out the door and would not meet my request. PC verifies prints within a day typically and the remainder of payment would be made immediately. He replied quite nastily that he basically did not need my business nor was he interested

[pklong17]

It all seemed to turn once he knew I was from the states and couldn't meet him to view print.
I'm gutted again!

[Sturban Has Saggy Tits]

Mar 11, 2016 17:18:38 GMT 1 pklong17 said:

Apparently he only wants face to face deals then, and therefore pleasant experiences.
We agreed to price, I offered a deposit so that he could send me the edition number and COA so that I could perform my due diligence. He said that Banksy is flying out the door and would not meet my request. PC verifies prints within a day typically and the remainder of payment would be made immediately. He replied quite nastily that he basically did not need my business nor was he interested

Obviously I don't know the full story, but maybe if you came across a bit cautious and not very trusting of him, then he probably thought it would be easier to sell elsewhere. I purchased a print of fairly high value and he even sent it double tubed for protection. I've never received another print from a gallery so well packaged. Also responds to emails very quickly. Maybe if it's a piece you really want, then bite the bullet and give it another go.

[pklong17]

Any gallery, but especially an online gallery should expect and comply with a customers wish to verify a print that is at this price point.

[DrWhite]

Mar 11, 2016 17:33:23 GMT 1 pklong17 said:

Any gallery, but especially an online gallery should expect and comply with a customers wish to verify a print that is at this price point.

Could I ask what you were verifying with PC ? There is no liklihood that the print would be registered in the galleries name ? As long as it came with a COA I'd be content.

[pklong17]

Not knowing of Fierce Gallery I would liked to have verified its authenticity. Now that others have spoken to having pleasant experiences I may not have been as concerned. The response to my email stating he wasn't interested in my business is what sent me reeling.
The print was initially described as mint. I received photos this morning and the corner below POW stamp is bent. He did apologize for missing that and said he would have it restored. At which point we agreed to price. He then asked that I come see the print in person, once he learned I was from the states things turned. I asked to make a deposit to secure the print, do my due diligence, and possibly have someone come view the print for me.
His response was that he would not jump through any hoops as Banksy prints are flying out the door. To which I responded that I don't feel a customer request to secure the print with a deposit and perform a quick verification as I've done a few times before, was asking anything out of ordinary.
I just want a mint condition GR at current value. In today's world, especially as I'm in the states and can't put my hands on the print, the only peace of mind I get is PC verification.
My search continues.

[Fish in the Sea]

I can also vouch for Fierce gallery. Always very smooth and what you expect in terms of prints condition.

Happy to check print for you if you like

Good luck

[11]

Given the values now being banded about, 24hrs to confirm previous ownership is not unreasonable - taking a coa on face value is a very risky gamble (IMO) as a COA is far easier to fake than a print.

I would say it should be standard practice to validate all provenance including previous or currently registered owner(s)

[pklong17]

Mar 11, 2016 18:09:12 GMT 1 Fish in the Sea said:

I can also vouch for Fierce gallery. Always very smooth and what you expect in terms of prints condition.

Happy to check print for you if you like

Good luck

Thank you Manu! I appreciate the offer. We are beyond that point. Since I pointed out it wasn't mint he will be sending it out to restorer.
Cheers

[pklong17]

If he wanted to be proper, he would comply with my request, take a deposit, and once back from restoration conclude the sale.

[Black Apple Art]

Mar 11, 2016 18:01:20 GMT 1 pklong17 said:

Not knowing of Fierce Gallery I would liked to have verified its authenticity. Now that others have spoken to having pleasant experiences I may not have been as concerned. The response to my email stating he wasn't interested in my business is what sent me reeling.
The print was initially described as mint. I received photos this morning and the corner below POW stamp is bent. He did apologize for missing that and said he would have it restored. At which point we agreed to price. He then asked that I come see the print in person, once he learned I was from the states things turned. I asked to make a deposit to secure the print, do my due diligence, and possibly have someone come view the print for me.
His response was that he would not jump through any hoops as Banksy prints are flying out the door. To which I responded that I don't feel a customer request to secure the print with a deposit and perform a quick verification as I've done a few times before, was asking anything out of ordinary.
I just want a mint condition GR at current value. In today's world, especially as I'm in the states and can't put my hands on the print, the only peace of mind I get is PC verification.
My search continues.

Your desire to ensure condition and authenticity is warranted and absolutely necessary but they way in which you are going about it probably won't work with most sellers.

I always ask for detailed pictures of corners, front and back before agreeing on a sale and always wary of anyone describing a print as "mint". I find many sellers never even open or inspect framed works before they sell them. I also have a phenomenal restoration house near me so I always opt to do that work myself which keeps from burdening the seller with more work and time. Also by handling this I get to choose what actually gets done, how and by whom. If you plan on continuing to purchase pieces it would be a good idea to seek out a top restoration house by you.  Lastly, I don't think any seller, private or reseller, will hold a banksy for you until you receive verification from PC. If you can't be there in person for the sale, only buy from a seller or gallery with references you trust. Then all you will need is pictures of the COA and piece to move forward.

Hope this helps and good luck in your search. G-Rat is one of my faves. 


 

[pklong17]

To be clear. I did not ask for restoration, only pointed out the flaw. If I offer a deposit to secure a piece and ask to do PC verification which I have done at least 3 times and none have taken more than a couple of days, it should be honored in my opinion. I run my own business and don't think my request was anything out of the ordinary. All he did was lose a potential customer.

[globalplanb]

FS Gangsta Rat

Edition Size:350 Unsigned

Size:50 x 35cm

Year:2004

COA:Pest Control

Condition:Excellent

Price:OIEO £5,200

PM me for further information. Cheers

[Deleted]

Mar 11, 2016 19:50:24 GMT 1 globalplanb said:

FS Gangsta Rat

Edition Size:350 Unsigned

Size:50 x 35cm

Year:2004

COA:Pest Control

Condition:Excellent

Price:OIEO £5,200

PM me for further information. Cheers

Good price

[thewral]

Poster Bob is looking for one.

The low-res screen cap looking image is kind of turning me off though... We all know what the image is; you don't have any better pictures of the actual piece to attach to a 5K GBP sale?

[brookvale]

pklong17 Is looking for one too

[thewral]

Mar 11, 2016 20:05:10 GMT 1 brookvale said:

pklong17 Is looking for one too

Sorry! I meant pklong17 but somehow typed posterbob.

[pklong17]

Thanks guys! Sending pm

[Coach]

Mar 11, 2016 18:52:46 GMT 1 pklong17 said:

To be clear. I did not ask for restoration, only pointed out the flaw. If I offer a deposit to secure a piece and ask to do PC verification which I have done at least 3 times and none have taken more than a couple of days, it should be honored in my opinion. I run my own business and don't think my request was anything out of the ordinary. All he did was lose a potential customer.

Surely the chap can sell to whomever he pleases.

[Aza]

Is this the rare Miaz Brothers collab??

[mla]

Mar 11, 2016 19:55:06 GMT 1 thewral said:

Poster Bob is looking for one.

The low-res screen cap looking image is kind of turning me off though... We all know what the image is; you don't have any better pictures of the actual piece to attach to a 5K GBP sale?

He's posted shitty pics for every print he's sold on the forum, others more expensive than this. 

[fentem]

Let the Gentleman have the courtesy to post better pics and describe the condition before we all come to a conclusion.

[Quinnster]

The Banksy market is tough for buyers and sellers ..

[Deleted]

Mar 11, 2016 20:27:43 GMT 1 Coach said:

Mar 11, 2016 18:52:46 GMT 1 pklong17 said:

To be clear. I did not ask for restoration, only pointed out the flaw. If I offer a deposit to secure a piece and ask to do PC verification which I have done at least 3 times and none have taken more than a couple of days, it should be honored in my opinion. I run my own business and don't think my request was anything out of the ordinary. All he did was lose a potential customer.

Surely the chap can sell to whomever he pleases.

yep, i agree

Much easier if a customer can view, pay and collect.

That would always be my first choice, especially in a sellers market.

I am lazy, though if it was something that was proving difficult to sell, i might put in a bit of effort

Denning anyone?

[pklong17]

I'm sorry if I've come off as a bit of a t**t. I never in a million years imagined chasing after a piece of paper like this and feeling like a child who can't find his favorite toy. And every time I think I have my hands on it, it's snatched from me.
I have learned several lessons on the journey.

[Coach]

Mar 11, 2016 22:16:41 GMT 1 pklong17 said:

I'm sorry if I've come off as a bit of a t**t. I never in a million years imagined chasing after a piece of paper like this and feeling like a child who can't find his favorite toy. And every time I think I have my hands on it, it's snatched from me.
I have learned several lessons on the journey.

Have some patience and I think you will find what you are looking for.

[Deleted]

Mar 11, 2016 22:16:41 GMT 1 pklong17 said:

I'm sorry if I've come off as a bit of a t**t. I never in a million years imagined chasing after a piece of paper like this and feeling like a child who can't find his favorite toy. And every time I think I have my hands on it, it's snatched from me.
I have learned several lessons on the journey.

yeah its tough buying this shit

Maybe make come over and make a holiday out of it, and buy a print. Its quite cool here in the UK :-)

[pklong17]

I have thought of that more than once Bren, it may make my life a bitter easier. Although, I would be a nervous wreck carrying it on the flight home