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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by Zippy on May 28, 2007 23:39:30 GMT 1, cant find it?
can you post me a link.
Z
cant find it?
can you post me a link.
Z
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by rob123rob on May 28, 2007 23:40:54 GMT 1, Item number: 300 1153 04100
Item number: 300 1153 04100
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by howlinhooker on May 28, 2007 23:51:05 GMT 1, 300115304100 no spaces
300115304100 no spaces
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by rob123rob on May 28, 2007 23:52:19 GMT 1, sorry for the spaces, I meant no harm
sorry for the spaces, I meant no harm
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by howlinhooker on May 28, 2007 23:53:56 GMT 1, no worries i wanted it last time he had it up , but not 2 grand !!!!!!!!!
no worries i wanted it last time he had it up , but not 2 grand !!!!!!!!!
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by rob123rob on May 29, 2007 0:00:03 GMT 1, Maybe I'm a little slow, but I don't get it. Forgetting the possibility that it has been relisted because of a non-payment from the first auction, what's the name of this game? How many times can you list and sell the same item before actually having to send it to a "winning" bidder?
Maybe I'm a little slow, but I don't get it. Forgetting the possibility that it has been relisted because of a non-payment from the first auction, what's the name of this game? How many times can you list and sell the same item before actually having to send it to a "winning" bidder?
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by Vsix on May 29, 2007 0:19:03 GMT 1, very odd!, perhaps instead of using a reserve price and to avoid extra fee's, a friend bid his minimum price!!, just speculation though 
very odd!, perhaps instead of using a reserve price and to avoid extra fee's, a friend bid his minimum price!!, just speculation though |
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by rob123rob on May 29, 2007 0:25:37 GMT 1, I think I still want it though......it just seems shady.
I think I still want it though......it just seems shady.
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by rob123rob on May 31, 2007 0:07:44 GMT 1, I just got a message back from the seller, he says that it has been relisted due to a non-payment. Still, I think that mentioning this fact in the description is a good idea. And I was almost believing his story, until it dawned on me that there is one big difference in this so-called "re-listing": the starting bid is now at 2k!. I know I'm a cynical piece of poop, but come on.
I just got a message back from the seller, he says that it has been relisted due to a non-payment. Still, I think that mentioning this fact in the description is a good idea. And I was almost believing his story, until it dawned on me that there is one big difference in this so-called "re-listing": the starting bid is now at 2k!. I know I'm a cynical piece of poop, but come on.
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by howlinhooker on Jun 2, 2007 12:50:34 GMT 1, it never sold trying to be too greedy 2 grand !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it never sold trying to be too greedy 2 grand !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by Curley on Mar 7, 2007 12:43:23 GMT 1, Does this seem right ? 
280089858209
signed but no number
Does this seem right ? 280089858209 signed but no number |
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by bond on Mar 7, 2007 13:00:28 GMT 1, I would give that a very wide berth ,backdoor print . 2 there should be a number but it was'nt put on " !!!!!!!!!!! .
i should be a millionaire sat on a boat but i'm not !
I would give that a very wide berth ,backdoor print . 2 there should be a number but it was'nt put on " !!!!!!!!!!! .
i should be a millionaire sat on a boat but i'm not !
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by cosmic on Mar 7, 2007 13:45:01 GMT 1, Not a 'queen vic ' print but a 'Love Is In The Air'
Not a 'queen vic ' print but a 'Love Is In The Air'
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by Daniel Silk on Mar 7, 2007 14:02:50 GMT 1, Does this seem right ? 280089858209 signed but no number
Could be a present from Banksy to one of his mates or a POW helper 
Does this seem right ? 280089858209 signed but no number Could be a present from Banksy to one of his mates or a POW helper |
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by Daniel Silk on Mar 7, 2007 14:06:13 GMT 1, Does this seem right ? 280089858209 signed but no number Could be a present from Banksy to one of his mates or a POW helper
ahhh, just seen it says "Purchased from P.O.W. original owner with receipt."
If its the real thing I cant see why POW cant number it up?
Does this seem right ? 280089858209 signed but no number Could be a present from Banksy to one of his mates or a POW helper ahhh, just seen it says "Purchased from P.O.W. original owner with receipt." If its the real thing I cant see why POW cant number it up? |
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by Curley on Mar 7, 2007 14:09:35 GMT 1, Not a 'queen vic ' print but a 'Love Is In The Air'
dyslexia kicking in, KO 
Not a 'queen vic ' print but a 'Love Is In The Air' dyslexia kicking in, KO |
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by monkeypuzzle on Mar 7, 2007 14:13:39 GMT 1, Without decent pics, 0 feedback and a highly suspect description / explanation, avoid like the plague IMO
Without decent pics, 0 feedback and a highly suspect description / explanation, avoid like the plague IMO
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by chippyminton on Mar 7, 2007 14:16:38 GMT 1, cheers for that, much appreciated
cheers for that, much appreciated |
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by manchestermike on Mar 21, 2007 11:31:12 GMT 1, Backdoor print?
If so, it's worth a couple of hundred.
I can't believe people are bidding on it at that price!
Backdoor print?
If so, it's worth a couple of hundred.
I can't believe people are bidding on it at that price!
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by ahamil on Mar 21, 2007 11:33:56 GMT 1, what should one ask for in terms of provenance? If the name matches is that sufficient?
what should one ask for in terms of provenance? If the name matches is that sufficient?
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by BME on Mar 21, 2007 11:37:06 GMT 1, Yep, backdoor print with a signature added. Obviously someone has been willing to bid £2400 without checking it out. I just don't get it :-(
Yep, backdoor print with a signature added. Obviously someone has been willing to bid £2400 without checking it out. I just don't get it :-(
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by hungrig on Mar 21, 2007 12:02:16 GMT 1, I disagree. This one looks fine.
The only awkwardness is the lack of edition number, meaning it's outside of the regular edition. Prints with no edition number should not automatically be dismissed as 'back door' or fake. [Cock-ups happened on occasion with POW and, of course, at the time they didn't really matter.] However, it does make the print very difficult to authenticate should you decide to on-sell in the future. That in turn will seriously impact upon its value.
Not even Laz knows exactly how many signed copies of 'Queen Vic' are out there. His guesstimate was around 50.
I disagree. This one looks fine.
The only awkwardness is the lack of edition number, meaning it's outside of the regular edition. Prints with no edition number should not automatically be dismissed as 'back door' or fake. [Cock-ups happened on occasion with POW and, of course, at the time they didn't really matter.] However, it does make the print very difficult to authenticate should you decide to on-sell in the future. That in turn will seriously impact upon its value.
Not even Laz knows exactly how many signed copies of 'Queen Vic' are out there. His guesstimate was around 50.
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by headphonesex on Mar 21, 2007 12:06:04 GMT 1, Yep, backdoor print with a signature added.
You know this for a fact do you?
Personally I wouldn't bid without checking out the provenance, but I love the way people here say things with 100% certainty based on nothing but guesswork.
Yep, backdoor print with a signature added. You know this for a fact do you? Personally I wouldn't bid without checking out the provenance, but I love the way people here say things with 100% certainty based on nothing but guesswork. |
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by hungrig on Mar 21, 2007 12:24:25 GMT 1, abdoujaparov,
Regarding my last two paragraphs, yes, I do know this for a fact.
Regarding my opinion in the first paragraph, I said this particular signed 'Queen Vic' print looks fine. That is my opinion, on the balance of probabilities. There was no 100% certainty mentioned or even implied. Perhaps your reference to 'guesswork' was simply flippant, but I can assure you that I have done my homework on this piece. Nothing I post on this Forum is based on guesswork.
abdoujaparov,
Regarding my last two paragraphs, yes, I do know this for a fact.
Regarding my opinion in the first paragraph, I said this particular signed 'Queen Vic' print looks fine. That is my opinion, on the balance of probabilities. There was no 100% certainty mentioned or even implied. Perhaps your reference to 'guesswork' was simply flippant, but I can assure you that I have done my homework on this piece. Nothing I post on this Forum is based on guesswork.
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by hankpank on Mar 21, 2007 12:31:12 GMT 1, Hungrig> abdoujaparov is quoting leom9259 in his post. He's on your side and so am I!
Hungrig> abdoujaparov is quoting leom9259 in his post. He's on your side and so am I!
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by hungrig on Mar 21, 2007 12:36:34 GMT 1, HankPank,
Thanks for clearing that up.
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abdoujaparov,
Apologies for the misunderstanding.
HankPank,
Thanks for clearing that up.
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abdoujaparov,
Apologies for the misunderstanding.
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by cru5tee on Mar 21, 2007 12:47:58 GMT 1, So, it's still not 100% certain it's for real. At that kind of money I would want FULL provenance.
Anyway, if it were genuine what kind of price should it be in relation to a signed and stamped edition?
So, it's still not 100% certain it's for real. At that kind of money I would want FULL provenance.
Anyway, if it were genuine what kind of price should it be in relation to a signed and stamped edition?
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by BME on Mar 21, 2007 13:45:55 GMT 1, Hi Abdou,
We rarely know anything for certain and its this uncertainty that allows the fake market to flourish. Still, there are a few things that we can say.
If the print isn't numbered then its not part of the official run. As such it will be worth only a fraction of the numbered version. I recall a discussion that was posted on the lightside last year. Apparently someone asked Steve at LAZinc about their value- his response was something along the lines of 'f**k all'.
This is pretty much backed up by my own observations. In over the past three years I've seen several signed but unnmbered banksy prints appear on ebay, punk daisy was also selling them at one stage. Some are genuine but the last ebay sale I recall was a signed (but unnumbered) bomb hugger that went for a BIN of about £750 late last year. A couple of months ago I was also offered a signed but unnumbered love rat for £900- I knocked it back. £900 might have been a reasonable price to pay (I was completely broke so it made little difference) but at £2400 I woudn't go near it.
Anyway, its a case of preaching to the converted here. Most people on the forum would not bid £2400 for an unnumbered print and would certainly contact POW/ LAZ before doing so. Its the rest of the wrold that you've got to worry about
Hi Abdou, We rarely know anything for certain and its this uncertainty that allows the fake market to flourish. Still, there are a few things that we can say. If the print isn't numbered then its not part of the official run. As such it will be worth only a fraction of the numbered version. I recall a discussion that was posted on the lightside last year. Apparently someone asked Steve at LAZinc about their value- his response was something along the lines of 'f**k all'. This is pretty much backed up by my own observations. In over the past three years I've seen several signed but unnmbered banksy prints appear on ebay, punk daisy was also selling them at one stage. Some are genuine but the last ebay sale I recall was a signed (but unnumbered) bomb hugger that went for a BIN of about £750 late last year. A couple of months ago I was also offered a signed but unnumbered love rat for £900- I knocked it back. £900 might have been a reasonable price to pay (I was completely broke so it made little difference) but at £2400 I woudn't go near it. Anyway, its a case of preaching to the converted here. Most people on the forum would not bid £2400 for an unnumbered print and would certainly contact POW/ LAZ before doing so. Its the rest of the wrold that you've got to worry about |
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Banksy Queen Victoria Print, by smashedhat on Mar 21, 2007 13:57:04 GMT 1, I'd take Laz's valuations with a hefty pinch of salt. He is, after all, Banksy's agent and it's in his interest to talk down the valuations of work that he won't see any cut of.
Ultimately the piece is worth whatever people are willing to pay for it, and I'd suggest that us as forum members would be better judges of that than Laz.
I'd pay money for a genuine signed banksy piece to go on my wall if it wasn't numbered. It's clearly not investment material but we buy art not just as investments but also because we like to be surrounded by beautiful things, right?
The real value is probably mid way between "fxxk all" and "sxxt loads"
I'd take Laz's valuations with a hefty pinch of salt. He is, after all, Banksy's agent and it's in his interest to talk down the valuations of work that he won't see any cut of.
Ultimately the piece is worth whatever people are willing to pay for it, and I'd suggest that us as forum members would be better judges of that than Laz.
I'd pay money for a genuine signed banksy piece to go on my wall if it wasn't numbered. It's clearly not investment material but we buy art not just as investments but also because we like to be surrounded by beautiful things, right?
The real value is probably mid way between "fxxk all" and "sxxt loads"
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