[koen]

PM for more information

[Schrödinger's Chat]

Is it just me or have the quality of sales posts hit an all time low?

I'm not picking on the OP in particular but everyday someone posts just a picture with almost no info or in some cases no picture and scarcely any details about the print, often someone with a low post count looking for a quick buck.

Frustration aired - as you were...

GLWTS

[grief]

Im interested but im not playing along, pm me your price thanks

[Wearology]

It started almost a year ago when someone posted a For Sale Thread and it stated "offers welcome" and than it got worse when another member publicly stated what their PM offers were to start a bidding war and than the slippery slope had begun and it has gotten worse every day since.  I got a PM's yesterday responding to a LTB thready I did 2 months ago that said "I have the item you are looking for - how much do you want to pay ?  At least on Ebay there is often a BIN and a starting price even if it is not based in reality many times.   

[oxfordwelshchap]

Sept 21, 2016 14:40:41 GMT 1 Wearology said:

It started almost a year ago when someone posted a For Sale Thread and it stated "offers welcome" and than it got worse when another member publicly stated what their PM offers were to start a bidding war and than the slippery slope had begun and it has gotten worse every day since.  I got a PM's yesterday responding to a Looking to Buy thready I did 2 months ago that said "I have the item you are looking for - how much do you want to pay ?  At least on Ebay there is often a BIN and a starting price even if it is not based in reality many times.   

There must be some way to improve it wearology?

[kaotek]

Didn't this piece just release September 1st for £500? Is cost what you are looking to recover?

[dreadnatty]

Sept 21, 2016 14:40:41 GMT 1 Wearology said:

It started almost a year ago when someone posted a For Sale Thread and it stated "offers welcome" and than it got worse when another member publicly stated what their PM offers were to start a bidding war and than the slippery slope had begun and it has gotten worse every day since.  I got a PM's yesterday responding to a Looking to Buy thready I did 2 months ago that said "I have the item you are looking for - how much do you want to pay ?  At least on Ebay there is often a BIN and a starting price even if it is not based in reality many times.   

The man in charge likes it that way....more page hits/posts

[milo99]

£325, pm for details on getting the payment

[Schrödinger's Chat]

I have to say when I PM someone about something and they say 'what's it worth to you?' I lose interest very quickly.

Just for clarity I haven't had that response from the OP - It was more a response to Wear's experience.

It is another pet hate of mine.

[Fish in the Sea]

Flipper 🐬

[genehickory]

Shit is kind of annoying , tried to buy one day they were released - I'll offer you list price minus 10%

[Dive Jedi]

I think it is not that bad in this case as you all expect.
Might be better if koen would clarify more why he is selling though and mention a price...

[koen]

Hello Everyone,
Sorry about the confusing communication, the problem with this piece is that is made from brass and is difficult too hang for me personally. The reason why I mentioned no price is, that I don't have any price indication except from what my costs are.

[soupy]

Sept 22, 2016 12:15:00 GMT 1 koen said:

Hello Everyone,
Sorry about the confusing communication, the problem with this piece is that is made from brass and is difficult too hang for me personally. The reason why I mentioned no price is, that I don't have any price indication except from what my costs are.

hahaha.  you bought a brass piece but then realized it was brass?  how exactly is it difficult to hang?  throw it in a frame and put it on your wall.

if you are selling it to cover costs.. then say so and accept the cost + shipping offers.

this <> rocket science

[genehickory]

I'll take it - 375£ shipped to NYC -

[duggyfresh]

What I don't get is, when you're blatantly flipping a piece of art, they deny it and come up with ridiculous excuses that make them sound dumb. This forum has really gone downhill recently.

[SturbanHasSaggyTits]

You probably shouldn't announce the edition number 3/7 if you're flipping this, as Graffiti Prints might give you a lifetime ban on any more purchases

[oxfordwelshchap]

Sept 22, 2016 20:10:09 GMT 1 SturbanHasSaggyTits said:

You probably shouldn't announce the edition number 3/7 if you're flipping this, as Graffiti Prints might give you a lifetime ban on any more purchases

Would they really do that?

[Dive Jedi]

Sept 22, 2016 20:38:25 GMT 1 oxfordwelshchap said:

Sept 22, 2016 20:10:09 GMT 1 SturbanHasSaggyTits said:

You probably shouldn't announce the edition number 3/7 if you're flipping this, as Graffiti Prints might give you a lifetime ban on any more purchases

Would they really do that?

They will now, since he tagged them

[SturbanHasSaggyTits]

Sept 22, 2016 20:38:25 GMT 1 oxfordwelshchap said:

Sept 22, 2016 20:10:09 GMT 1 SturbanHasSaggyTits said:

You probably shouldn't announce the edition number 3/7 if you're flipping this, as Graffiti Prints might give you a lifetime ban on any more purchases

Would they really do that?

He's on the ball with cancelling orders that have appeared on ebay before they were even shipped out. I expect it pisses him off as much as it pisses off people here that would have liked them at cost to hang on their walls.

[oxfordwelshchap]

Sept 22, 2016 21:06:05 GMT 1 SturbanHasSaggyTits said:

Sept 22, 2016 20:38:25 GMT 1 oxfordwelshchap said:

Would they really do that?

He's on the ball with cancelling orders that have appeared on ebay before they were even shipped out. I expect it pisses him off as much as it pisses off people here that would have liked them at cost to hang on their walls.

Yer I get that it pisses people off, me more than most but why would a seller care correct me if I'm wrong Graffiti Prints.

[rjf76]

Sept 22, 2016 21:40:14 GMT 1 oxfordwelshchap said:

Sept 22, 2016 21:06:05 GMT 1 SturbanHasSaggyTits said:

He's on the ball with cancelling orders that have appeared on ebay before they were even shipped out. I expect it pisses him off as much as it pisses off people here that would have liked them at cost to hang on their walls.

Yer I get that it pisses people off, me more than most but why would a seller care correct me if I'm wrong Graffiti Prints.

Because they have some integrity!! Giancarlo is a top guy and runs a tight business. He's built it on a reputation of fantastic work by fantastic artists and most likely doesn't believe in 'collectors' taking it for granted and tarnishing the honest proportion of the art community.

Just my take and personal opinion. He has cancelled many orders in the past because of this behaviour. Definitely not something they want to support or encourage.

[oxfordwelshchap]

Sept 22, 2016 21:48:50 GMT 1 rjf76 said:

Sept 22, 2016 21:40:14 GMT 1 oxfordwelshchap said:

Yer I get that it pisses people off, me more than most but why would a seller care correct me if I'm wrong Graffiti Prints.

Because they have some integrity!! Giancarlo is a top guy and runs a tight business. He's built it on a reputation of fantastic work by fantastic artists and most likely doesn't believe in 'collectors' taking it for granted and tarnishing the honest proportion of the art community.

Just my take and personal opinion. He has cancelled many orders in the past because of this behaviour. Definitely not something they want to support or encourage.

I am honestly just curious about this and I understand that you want to defend Giancarlo, but again why would it affect business. I know this is a newbie question, and I have never personally flipped anything but surely a sale is a sale to a business that sells prints?

[genehickory]

Sept 22, 2016 21:48:50 GMT 1 rjf76 said:

Sept 22, 2016 21:40:14 GMT 1 oxfordwelshchap said:

Yer I get that it pisses people off, me more than most but why would a seller care correct me if I'm wrong Graffiti Prints.

Because they have some integrity!! Giancarlo is a top guy and runs a tight business. He's built it on a reputation of fantastic work by fantastic artists and most likely doesn't believe in 'collectors' taking it for granted and tarnishing the honest proportion of the art community.

Just my take and personal opinion. He has cancelled many orders in the past because of this behaviour. Definitely not something they want to support or encourage.

Graffiti prints is on here? Anyone ever find out what the F happened with the whatson/chevrier release? I'm still salty about that

[rjf76]

Sept 22, 2016 22:45:38 GMT 1 genehickory said:

Sept 22, 2016 21:48:50 GMT 1 rjf76 said:

Because they have some integrity!! Giancarlo is a top guy and runs a tight business. He's built it on a reputation of fantastic work by fantastic artists and most likely doesn't believe in 'collectors' taking it for granted and tarnishing the honest proportion of the art community.

Just my take and personal opinion. He has cancelled many orders in the past because of this behaviour. Definitely not something they want to support or encourage.

Graffiti prints is on here? Anyone ever find out what the F happened with the whatson/chevrier release? I'm still salty about that

Yes they are but not sure about that to be honest!

[SturbanHasSaggyTits]

Sept 22, 2016 22:07:39 GMT 1 oxfordwelshchap said:

Sept 22, 2016 21:48:50 GMT 1 rjf76 said:

Because they have some integrity!! Giancarlo is a top guy and runs a tight business. He's built it on a reputation of fantastic work by fantastic artists and most likely doesn't believe in 'collectors' taking it for granted and tarnishing the honest proportion of the art community.

Just my take and personal opinion. He has cancelled many orders in the past because of this behaviour. Definitely not something they want to support or encourage.

I am honestly just curious about this and I understand that you want to defend Giancarlo, but again why would it affect business. I know this is a newbie question, and I have never personally flipped anything but surely a sale is a sale to a business that sells prints?

As rjf76 said, integrity means a lot and Giancarlo shows this to his customers. Too many people these days with shit customer after service.
I would like to think that some people are in this business for the love of art and not just about the next few bucks they make. I also think that the most successful businesses have grown from the love of what they do and not just the drive for money.

[wakeskater]

koen it might be worth it to also go introduce yourself to the forum! You might be able to find some interesting information on how things work around here. I'm no expert but I still think the 50 minimum post to sell should be reinstated!!!

[kapusta]

koen - If you choose to sell for cost, consider me. My brass edition from Art Republic arrived damaged. Huge disappointment.

[Graffiti Prints]

Sept 22, 2016 21:06:05 GMT 1 SturbanHasSaggyTits said:

Sept 22, 2016 20:38:25 GMT 1 oxfordwelshchap said:

Would they really do that?

He's on the ball with cancelling orders that have appeared on ebay before they were even shipped out. I expect it pisses him off as much as it pisses off people here that would have liked them at cost to hang on their walls.

morning all

we do refund sometimes but obviously, when the goods are still in our hands once they're gone, we can do nothing but watch.

it is our rep we try to protect, to the artist - don't want to see eBay flooded with their prints or people pumping up their prices out of their control.

to the customer - who's usually annoyed they have missed out and see it expensive on eBay

also newer customers who just don't understand, we get loads of emails and calls after releases.

on really big ones like sandra/whatson - hundreds.

its a funny old business, but we love it, drives me nuts sometimes but i soon forget and move on to the next work...

[Graffiti Prints]

there's one comment on this thread which rings so true though

I would like to think that some people are in this business for the love of art and not just about the next few bucks they make. I also think that the most successful businesses have grown from the love of what they do and not just the drive for money.

i did not expect to make any money on GP & i mean any for at least 5 years, i had done zerocool for 4 without taking any money inc initial investment, it was tough but good fun esp the shows. i thought i would have a nice inventory of stock etc after 5 years, i did not dream we would sell out most prints.

this changed everything and gave us the opportunity to push the boundaries and do more and more complicated prints but sell them at sane prices. e.g new pez prints x 3, all 21 colour screen prints, editions of 50, 70 x 54cm but only £175 each.. we could have giclee but i just could not do it and we took hit as pez wanted small editions

i honestly think we give the best value for money price vs product, way too many people have jumped on the print wagon as they think its a cash cow and quickly realised its a money pit..

so many edition places have popped up but i think it's easy to spot the few who are doing it for the love and not the ego/cash/etc, usually shows in product and prices.

is there not a saying if you do things right and for the love of it, the money follows?

in this business, i think this principle applies massively.