[Ottomatik]

Jul 26, 2016 23:37:04 GMT 1 gravity1 said:

Jul 26, 2016 23:10:03 GMT 1 @bren said:

i'd prefer it if it said

Increased

Now £5,000

But i am weird

I'd prefer and hope anyone with even the slightest knowledge of art and concept of originality would have stayed within 100 yards of a fkin soup can for a copy-cat stunt. I don't even want to expand on releasing it as a print. Just god awful on all levels.

What's up with you?!?!?!
So much negativity lately....
4 out of your last 5 posts were negative.

As my mom says....'if you don't have anything nice to say, keep your damn mouth shut!'

[gravity1]

Jul 26, 2016 23:50:06 GMT 1 Ottomatik said:

Jul 26, 2016 23:37:04 GMT 1 gravity1 said:

I'd prefer and hope anyone with even the slightest knowledge of art and concept of originality would have stayed within 100 yards of a fkin soup can for a copy-cat stunt. I don't even want to expand on releasing it as a print. Just god awful on all levels.

What's up with you?!?!?!
So much negativity lately....
4 out of your last 5 posts were negative.

As my mom says....'if you don't have anything nice to say, keep your damn mouth shut!'

I believe just as we can voice when we like something we also have the right here to voice when we don't. While I know many wish there was a "positive comments only" rule in effect, there's NOT...at least for now. When I see something I like, I say so. Maybe your mum should apply for a Mod position LOL 

[Ottomatik]

I see.
Be kind to mothers.

[nobokov]

As long as the conversations don't degenerate into typical Comment Section drivel, I'm all for opposing opinions. What's the point of a discussion, if it's all niceties - we might as well just talk about how nice the weather is today.

[gravity1]

Jul 27, 2016 1:10:08 GMT 1 nobokov said:

As long as the conversations don't degenerate into typical Comment Section drivel, I'm all for opposing opinions. What's the point of a discussion, if it's all niceties - we might as well just talk about how nice the weather is today.

Agree 100%. It never ceases to amaze me how many regularly some how equate the dislike or criticism of some work as "negativity", while on the flip side praising it to the heavens is always encouraged. In general I think this mindset keeps many away from criticizing anything at all and they do heed Ottomatik 's mother's rule and just stay quiet unless they like something. Boards are for a discussion of all sides but do understand there are some who just to not posses the disposition to accept views contrary to theirs and genuinely take offense to it.

That aside, if anyone has the stones to release a soup can print these days, they better expect to catch some shit. Even Kunstrasen's properly titled "Some Ideas I Would Not Touch Myself" give the message of how beat to a bloody pulp the idea is and that was over a year ago. While I wouldn't hang his piece I thought it was genuinely funny when I saw it back then.

Anyway moving on...

[Poly Mindset]

Jul 26, 2016 22:13:58 GMT 1 WOOF said:

Jul 26, 2016 13:54:10 GMT 1 met said:

Very good.

But imagine how fresh this work would be if, conceptually, it had been intended as a demonstration of self-awareness by the artist — a recognition of his own limitations when it comes to original thought.

This. I'm sorry if this ruffles feathers, but I don't get what would motivate anyone to buy this trash, besides thinking zedsy will become the next banksy (laughable at best.) It's not creative or unique to do a "take" (see: appropriating) warhol soup cans.

Poly Mindset - you noted that you think this is... 

"the best take on a Warhol print in years."

And maybe you're right. But maybe the reason for that is that most artists with even a shred of artistic integrity moved on from doing warhol-inspired work years ago.

I for one think that this piece has balls and is a testament to new urban art challenging the the so called status quo and redefining values in the art community itself. 

If anything, yet another warhol-inspired piece of art actually upholds the status quo in the urban art world. That status quo being, "why create something original when you can tweak someone else's work and call it your own." The first person that did their take on the cans was maybe redefining values in the art world. At this point, the artists still doing it are just scraping the bottom of the barrel of bad ideas.

Realize that it's not easy to take on a giant but I applaud anyone who tries. 

I applaud artists that try to create original works, original concepts, because it's much more difficult, and the task deserves much more respect.

To me it joyfully says f**k Warhaol and the art establishment. Don't get me wrong I think Warhol did some great art however, I personally think his soup can was just pure s**t. I for one couldn't be prouder of Zedsy.

Andy died 30 or so years ago. Why are we saying f**khim? His "pures**t soup" cans are the only reason this actuals**t screenprint exists in the first place. And for that matter, Banksy is the only reason zedsy exists. I mean seriously, go back and look at thiss**t. The guy rips off C215's logo, banksy's signature, then rips off banksy's stunt to try and sell this trash, and you're still defending him?

I really don't know what to say to that.

First of all as you stated "most artist with a shred of artistic integrity moved on from Warhol-inspired work years ago" I don't think this is necessarily true. Of course this depends on ones interpretation of "artistic integrity". Mr. Brainwash did 'Banana Split' in 2015(Warhol inspired) and the new Marilyn print-not directly a Warhol take off as it was done more after a photograph but I still think Warhol inspired. Then there were all those famous people he put in Marilyn hair. It also depends on ones interpretation of "years ago". There have been many artists over the last 5 to 50 years doing Warhol inspired works and if not directly relating their work to Warhol the Warhol influence is obvious. I'm talking many artist from Kaufman to more recently artist like Dom Pattison. I think Zedsy's 'Reduced Soup Can' is brilliant because of the satirical value which most Warhol influenced artist  either don't have the balls or imagination to put into their works. I just happen to love satire. It's OK if you don't like it.
As far as using someone else's idea and doing a take-off on an original piece all I can say is don't get your panties in a wad cause it's been happening for years. Yes, I myself do prefer original ideas but when a piece using someone else's idea is so well done and takes the original in a new direction or incorporates the original to make a new statement, then I think it becomes a whole new piece and shouldn't be reduced (pardon the pun but I just couldn't help myself.)
Lastly, for you to state that "Banksy is the only reason that Zedsy exist" well that's pretty presumptuous wouldn't you say? Although when you think about it, it is a nice complement to Banksy. However, in reality you have no idea if Zedsy would have ever become as famous as he is because nobody has a crystal ball and regardless of that, the fact is he still would exist on some level. Your statement is flawed because you would have to apply the same statement to so many of the artists that were graciously represented at Dismaland. Here's an example, Paco Pomet. He was nowhere as popular as he is now and that's because Dismaland spotlighted some artists that Banksy thought needed some attention, and he was right. The fact is though, Paco Pomet already existed as an artist. This can be said for many of the artist who's works were at Dismaland.
In closing this is what I have to say to you and everyone. If you don't appreciate the piece it's simple, don't buy it. Additionally, I don't mind the banter. I'm a grown man with thick skin who can take care of himself in a logical and concise manner. I encourage dialog of art on this forum, both positive and negative. For it is the reason why it exists, but not because Banksy said so ( thank you Daniel).

[Deleted]

Excuse if it's in the thread but I lost interest when it started derailing :-). Is this legally in the tate or been stuck up banksy style?

p.s. I like it. it is what it is. Although more an oxtail fan myself.

[Deleted]

illegally... he put it up then it got take down. PR are its finest. At least he's got some balls to do something different unlike 90% of the cr*p released we see on here.


 

[Daniel Silk]

Jul 26, 2016 23:37:04 GMT 1 gravity1 said:

Jul 26, 2016 23:10:03 GMT 1 @bren said:

i'd prefer it if it said

Increased

Now £5,000

But i am weird

I'd prefer and hope anyone with even the slightest knowledge of art and concept of originality would have stayed within 100 yards of a fkin soup can for a copy-cat stunt. I don't even want to expand on releasing it as a print. Just god awful on all levels. 

[Happy Shopper]

Jul 27, 2016 10:13:16 GMT 1 @ai2bob said:

illegally... he put it up then it got take down. PR are its finest. At least he's got some balls to do something different unlike 90% of the cr*p released we see on here.


 

I don't see anything "different" about this. Same old motifs, and execution we've seen from a million Banksy try-hards over 10 years.

[Deleted]

Jul 27, 2016 11:12:45 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

Jul 27, 2016 10:13:16 GMT 1 @ai2bob said:

illegally... he put it up then it got take down. PR are its finest. At least he's got some balls to do something different unlike 90% of the cr*p released we see on here.


 

I don't see anything "different" about this. Same old motifs, and execution we've seen from a million Banksy try-hards over 10 years.

Sadly this.

There's nothing wrong with art on a theme, e.g. Warhol. But surely by now every artistic angle has been well and truly exhausted in this area?

[Ruggs]

I like it! Image is well executed, screenprinting looks really sharp and well priced too.

[Deleted]

Lets see what the wider art public think of it on Saturday........ I reckon they will go in under 30 seconds.....

[NYart]

The way I see it is it's an amusing piece by a guy who has been pulling some good stunts for £48. Why not pick it up? I'd rather stick this up over any other art work I can get for the price (IKEA?).

Haven't seen other new artists on their 3rd release create such a heated discussion, while its not all negative attention it's still better than no attention.

[jayTown]

£48!? You'd have to be a fool (or already own dozens of almost identical soup cans by other artists) to not go for this!

[nobokov]

I don't get why there's such steaming vitriol over this. Was there anger over Kunstrasen's Spot Remover or Beejoir's Imodium?

I'd rather put this on my wall over a genuine warhol soup can. It's genuinely affordable and has a message that likely most people would agree with - most 'artists' are bullshit artists.

[Daniel Silk]

I remember the time when people were not interested in Banksy's work, they would say he just copied artists like Blek and Warhol, and Banksy prints sat around at galleries for £50 each and nobody wanted them

[Deleted]

I reckon there is some members that know they have zero chance of getting one on Saturday (still on dial up) hence the negativity ..... 

[Happy Shopper]

These will flip, no doubt. This guy's being hyped by some of the best on here.
Doesn't make it good though.

[Happy Shopper]

Jul 27, 2016 16:04:56 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Was there anger over Kunstrasen's Spot Remover or Beejoir's Imodium?

I'd rather put this on my wall over a genuine warhol soup can. It's genuinely affordable and has a message that likely most people would agree with - most 'artists' are bullshit artists.

Those 2 were utter shite too... happy now?

Actually, this is a fun sort of print and appears nicely done. The hype on this type of stuff is very annoying though. You know these people saying how great it is will mostly have it for sale within a very short time. It's just a game.

[gravity1]

Jul 27, 2016 11:09:51 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

Jul 26, 2016 23:37:04 GMT 1 gravity1 said:

I'd prefer and hope anyone with even the slightest knowledge of art and concept of originality would have stayed within 100 yards of a fkin soup can for a copy-cat stunt. I don't even want to expand on releasing it as a print. Just god awful on all levels. 

That was 11 years ago Silky ... I'm not sure what to make of your relentless and nonsensical defensive here . Fine to say you like it but going from your "top in the game" quote to using a 05 Banksy piece is just desperation. Hopefully you are Zed are just good mates and it's out of blind love.

[Villain Dillon]

Witty and playful. Well priced and seems to be made with care and concern for the end product. The icon of the soup can in pop art/contemporary art has reached the point of narrative. This keeps the story going. 

[nobokov]

Jul 27, 2016 18:04:29 GMT 1 gravity1 said:

Jul 27, 2016 11:09:51 GMT 1 Daniel Silk said:

That was 11 years ago Silky ... I'm not sure what to make of your relentless and nonsensical defensive here . Fine to say you like it but going from your "top in the game" quote to using a 05 Banksy piece is just desperation. Hopefully you are Zed are just good mates and it's out of blind love.

I had some time to kill so I went through your posts to find out what kinds of artists and pieces you enjoy. Most of your recent posts centered around your love of banksy and other current artists being derivative, painting with primitive skills. In a rare positive post, you wrote, "True, haven't seen any spot variations from anyone last few years ... Originality at its best."

Maybe it was sarcasm, but if it wasn't , why did you like Spot Remover when Banksy had done it years before?

[WOOF]

Jul 27, 2016 3:19:28 GMT 1 Poly Mindset said:

First of all as you stated "most artist with a shred of artistic integrity moved on from Warhol-inspired work years ago" I don't think this is necessarily true. Of course this depends on ones interpretation of "artistic integrity". Mr. Brainwash did 'Banana Split' in 2015(Warhol inspired) and the new Marilyn print-not directly a Warhol take off as it was done more after a photograph but I still think Warhol inspired. Then there were all those famous people he put in Marilyn hair. It also depends on ones interpretation of "years ago".

I was counting Mr Brainwash among the artists with zero integrity. His timely print release following celebrity deaths is enough to turn me off his work forever. Has he no shame at all? And that's putting aside the fact that almost all of his work is unoriginal dreck.

There have been many artists over the last 5 to 50 years doing Warhol inspired works and if not directly relating their work to Warhol the Warhol influence is obvious. I'm talking many artist from Kaufman to more recently artist like Dom Pattison. I think Zedsy's 'Reduced Soup Can' is brilliant because of the satirical value which most Warhol influenced artist  either don't have the balls or imagination to put into their works. I just happen to love satire. It's OK if you don't like it.

I like satire that feels original. Like when Banksy did the tesco cans. That was literally a decade ago. The idea is tired...

As far as using someone else's idea and doing a take-off on an original piece all I can say is don't get your panties in a wad cause it's been happening for years. Yes, I myself do prefer original ideas but when a piece using someone else's idea is so well done and takes the original in a new direction or incorporates the original to make a new statement, then I think it becomes a whole new piece and shouldn't be reduced (pardon the pun but I just couldn't help myself.)

Because it's been happening for years? That's why you think it's OK? Weren't we just talking about bucking the status quo? I just can't abide the hype over what I find to be mediocre ideas from Zedsy. People like him are, in my opinion, a detriment to the entire urban art movement. That is unless the movement wants to be known for a lack of original ideas, and an abundance of misappropriated imagery.

Lastly, for you to state that "Banksy is the only reason that Zedsy exist" well that's pretty presumptuous wouldn't you say? Although when you think about it, it is a nice complement to Banksy.
However, in reality you have no idea if Zedsy would have ever become as famous as he is because nobody has a crystal ball and regardless of that, the fact is he still would exist on some level.

Zedsy didn't exist, as far as I can tell, before Dismaland. Then he faded away. Then he comes back by ripping off a stunt Banksy did better years earlier. Without those two pieces, who is zedsy? To me, he appears to be a junior level graphic designer. I work with a lot of them...

Your statement is flawed because you would have to apply the same statement to so many of the artists that were graciously represented at Dismaland. Here's an example, Paco Pomet. He was nowhere as popular as he is now and that's because Dismaland spotlighted some artists that Banksy thought needed some attention, and he was right. The fact is though, Paco Pomet already existed as an artist. This can be said for many of the artist who's works were at Dismaland.

Only time will tell if Paco Pomet can continue to make work that people care about outside of this forum. We've already seen other artists from Dismaland fall out of favor i.e. Jeff Gillette. 

In closing this is what I have to say to you and everyone. If you don't appreciate the piece it's simple, don't buy it. Additionally, I don't mind the banter. I'm a grown man with thick skin who can take care of himself in a logical and concise manner. I encourage dialog of art on this forum, both positive and negative. For it is the reason why it exists, but not because Banksy said so ( thank you Daniel).

I agree. People should buy what we like. I appreciate that this is a forum where we can debate the merits of a piece of art, and not just praise it. Much appreciate the dialogue.

[nobokov]

Jul 27, 2016 18:39:53 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Jul 27, 2016 18:04:29 GMT 1 gravity1 said:

That was 11 years ago Silky ... I'm not sure what to make of your relentless and nonsensical defensive here . Fine to say you like it but going from your "top in the game" quote to using a 05 Banksy piece is just desperation. Hopefully you are Zed are just good mates and it's out of blind love.

I had some time to kill so I went through your posts to find out what kinds of artists and pieces you enjoy. Most of your recent posts centered around your love of banksy and other current artists being derivative, painting with primitive skills. In a rare positive post, you wrote, "True, haven't seen any spot variations from anyone last few years ... Originality at its best."

Maybe it was sarcasm, but if it wasn't , why did you like Spot Remover when Banksy had done it years before?

Going through the thread, I think you were being sarcastic. But gravity1, I'd love to hear about the artists that you like (besides banksy) and think are original?

Always wanting to hear about people's tastes, to discover other artists.

[WOOF]

Jul 27, 2016 10:13:16 GMT 1 @ai2bob said:

illegally... he put it up then it got take down. PR are its finest. At least he's got some balls to do something different unlike 90% of the cr*p released we see on here.
 

He copied banksy's stunt. Nothing ballsy about it.

Jul 27, 2016 11:35:06 GMT 1 @ai2bob said:

Lets see what the wider art public think of it on Saturday........ I reckon they will go in under 30 seconds.....

Choo choo. All aboard the hype train. Selling out fast has nothing to do with being a good artist or making good art. I could make a print appear to sell out quickly too if I wanted to. It's not that hard.

Jul 27, 2016 16:22:45 GMT 1 @ai2bob said:

I reckon there is some members that know they have zero chance of getting one on Saturday (still on dial up) hence the negativity ..... 

Do you really believe that? Really?

[Poly Mindset]

Jul 27, 2016 16:54:22 GMT 1 Happy Shopper said:

These will flip, no doubt. This guy's being hyped by some of the best on here.
Doesn't make it good though.

Yes, I agree with you that there are some who will be flipping this as always with pretty much any popular release. However, there are some members here (at least one, me) who if gets this release will be keeping it just because he likes it. I have no reason to hype the artist or the print myself. I just think it holds merit and am fine with others disagreeing. As stated in one of my previous posts, if you don't appreciate it don't buy it. Understandably though some will buy it just to flip it which is sad because then someone else won't get it on release. Sad...Sad...Sad.

[gravity1]

Jul 27, 2016 18:46:00 GMT 1 nobokov said:

Jul 27, 2016 18:39:53 GMT 1 nobokov said:

I had some time to kill so I went through your posts to find out what kinds of artists and pieces you enjoy. Most of your recent posts centered around your love of banksy and other current artists being derivative, painting with primitive skills. In a rare positive post, you wrote, "True, haven't seen any spot variations from anyone last few years ... Originality at its best."

Maybe it was sarcasm, but if it wasn't , why did you like Spot Remover when Banksy had done it years before?

Going through the thread, I think you were being sarcastic. But gravity1, I'd love to hear about the artists that you like (besides banksy) and think are original?

Always wanting to hear about people's tastes, to discover other artists.

Happy to PM you my favs for a chat or maybe we can start another thread of "Favorite Original Art". I'd be happy to chime in but I like to follow most of the rules here and stay on topic.

[samfrost]

I'm feeling like a broken record here but...the overall takeaway from this thread is that far too many artists are pumping out derivative work. Warhol vs. Banksy is one thing, but what is so novel about another can, spot or rat? In the end, these works are nothing more than decorative art. Nothing original to see here in this thread.

[docholiday]

This may have been discussed elsewhere, but what's with his signature being so similar to Banksy's?