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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 22:40:58 GMT 1, Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency. Once again, the die-hard Trump supporter from the Netherlands (WTF?) is dead ass wrong. Why you are so enamored with Trump is beyond me but you need to stop with the lies and intentional misinformation.
Why? You criticize Trump while your last Democrat champion hasn't done anything on gun control in 8 years of presidency. Once again, the die-hard Trump supporter from the Netherlands (WTF?) is dead ass wrong. Why you are so enamored with Trump is beyond me but you need to stop with the lies and intentional misinformation. Click on the last link I've posted and tell me what's factually wrong with the story there please? |
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Donald Trump, by qest on Nov 8, 2018 22:41:07 GMT 1, In addition to advocating for gun control legislation, he signed scores of executive actions and executive orders to try and get something done. Then there's this. So yeah, I'd say Obama did more, whereas Trump has actively worked to make it easier for people like these shooters to get firearms. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1438/reverse-barack-obamas-2016-gun-executive-order/Reverse Barack Obama's 2016 gun executive order "I will veto. I will unsign that (President Barack Obama's gun executive order) so fast." Sources: Comments at a rally in Mississippi Subjects: Government regulation, Guns Updates Trump signs resolution to reverse Obama's executive order on gun control By Jana Heigl on Wednesday, April 19th, 2017 at 2:02 p.m. One of the first regulations President Donald Trump vowed to slash was President Barack Obama's executive order on gun control that was implemented in the final year of his presidency. Obama's order made it mandatory for the Social Security Administration to release information about mentally ill recipients of Social Security benefits. This information would then be included in background checks, essentially prohibiting people with mental illnesses to buy guns. The Obama administration estimated this rule would affect about 75,000 people each year who have a documented mental health issue. Obama's order was opposed by the NRA and the American Civil Liberties Union โ two groups that are not usually on the same side. In a statement issued by ACLU, they said the rule "advances and reinforces the harmful stereotype that people with mental disabilities, a vast and diverse group of citizens, are violent." Trump signed House Joint Resolution 40, nullifying Obama's rule, on Feb. 28, 2017. The White House declared in advance that "this application of rule could endanger the Second Amendment rights of law abiding citizens." We rate this Promise Kept. Sources: The Obama White House, Live Updates: What the President is Doing to Keep Guns Out of the Wrong Hands, Jan. 8, 2016 The Obama White House, FACT SHEET: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence and Make our Communities Safer, Jan. 4, 2016 NRA-ILA, A Promise Kept: Trump Signs Repeal of Obama-Era Social Security Gun Prohibition Rule, Mar. 3, 2017 ACLU, Statement, Feb. 1, 2017 White House, H.J. Res. 38, H.J. Res. 36, H.J. Res. 41, H.J. Res. 40, H.J. Res. 37, Statement of Administration Policy, Feb. 1, 2017 U.S. Congress, H.J. Res. 40, accessed on Apr. 18, 2017 CNN, Trump signs bill nixing Obama-era guns rule, Feb. 28, 2017 White House, H.J.Res. 40 - Joint Resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Social Security Administration relating to Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Feb. 28. 2017 Federal Register, Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Dec. 19, 2016
In addition to advocating for gun control legislation, he signed scores of executive actions and executive orders to try and get something done. Then there's this. So yeah, I'd say Obama did more, whereas Trump has actively worked to make it easier for people like these shooters to get firearms. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1438/reverse-barack-obamas-2016-gun-executive-order/Reverse Barack Obama's 2016 gun executive order "I will veto. I will unsign that (President Barack Obama's gun executive order) so fast." Sources: Comments at a rally in Mississippi Subjects: Government regulation, Guns Updates Trump signs resolution to reverse Obama's executive order on gun control By Jana Heigl on Wednesday, April 19th, 2017 at 2:02 p.m. One of the first regulations President Donald Trump vowed to slash was President Barack Obama's executive order on gun control that was implemented in the final year of his presidency. Obama's order made it mandatory for the Social Security Administration to release information about mentally ill recipients of Social Security benefits. This information would then be included in background checks, essentially prohibiting people with mental illnesses to buy guns. The Obama administration estimated this rule would affect about 75,000 people each year who have a documented mental health issue. Obama's order was opposed by the NRA and the American Civil Liberties Union โ two groups that are not usually on the same side. In a statement issued by ACLU, they said the rule "advances and reinforces the harmful stereotype that people with mental disabilities, a vast and diverse group of citizens, are violent." Trump signed House Joint Resolution 40, nullifying Obama's rule, on Feb. 28, 2017. The White House declared in advance that "this application of rule could endanger the Second Amendment rights of law abiding citizens." We rate this Promise Kept. Sources: The Obama White House, Live Updates: What the President is Doing to Keep Guns Out of the Wrong Hands, Jan. 8, 2016 The Obama White House, FACT SHEET: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence and Make our Communities Safer, Jan. 4, 2016 NRA-ILA, A Promise Kept: Trump Signs Repeal of Obama-Era Social Security Gun Prohibition Rule, Mar. 3, 2017 ACLU, Statement, Feb. 1, 2017 White House, H.J. Res. 38, H.J. Res. 36, H.J. Res. 41, H.J. Res. 40, H.J. Res. 37, Statement of Administration Policy, Feb. 1, 2017 U.S. Congress, H.J. Res. 40, accessed on Apr. 18, 2017 CNN, Trump signs bill nixing Obama-era guns rule, Feb. 28, 2017 White House, H.J.Res. 40 - Joint Resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule submitted by the Social Security Administration relating to Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Feb. 28. 2017 Federal Register, Implementation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, Dec. 19, 2016 If you take the time to read it, you will see that it doesn't contradict anything I just said. There is a distinction between "did more" (which Obama did), and "did enough" (which Obama did not). In any case, he has done much more on the topic than Trump has. |
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Donald Trump, by amsterdam9697 on Nov 8, 2018 22:45:48 GMT 1, It says exactly what happened... Obama tried to push through number of gun control bills (specific to assault rifles) and basically NONE of them were pushed through to the Senate by the GOP controlled House. Obama can't legislate without the help of the House to push the bills through to Senate and the GOP-controlled House did a great job of blocking everything & anything from Obama. That's how it works in the US.
It says exactly what happened... Obama tried to push through number of gun control bills (specific to assault rifles) and basically NONE of them were pushed through to the Senate by the GOP controlled House. Obama can't legislate without the help of the House to push the bills through to Senate and the GOP-controlled House did a great job of blocking everything & anything from Obama. That's how it works in the US.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 22:46:47 GMT 1, If you take the time to read it, you will see that it doesn't contradict anything I just said. There is a distinction between "did more" (which Obama did), and "did enough" (which Obama did not). In any case, he has done much more on the topic than Trump has.
Also, don't get me wrong, it seems insane to me that Trump rescinded the rule on people with a mental health problem, but I don't know much about it to be honest. I'm merely trying to educate myself and hearing other opinions from the left helps me more than going around in an echo chamber.
If you take the time to read it, you will see that it doesn't contradict anything I just said. There is a distinction between "did more" (which Obama did), and "did enough" (which Obama did not). In any case, he has done much more on the topic than Trump has. But, like, the very first sentence in the article states 'In fact, the two gun laws signed by Obama actually expanded the rights of gun owners in the United States.' Also, don't get me wrong, it seems insane to me that Trump rescinded the rule on people with a mental health problem, but I don't know much about it to be honest. I'm merely trying to educate myself and hearing other opinions from the left helps me more than going around in an echo chamber. |
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Donald Trump, by qest on Nov 8, 2018 22:50:30 GMT 1, If you take the time to read it, you will see that it doesn't contradict anything I just said. There is a distinction between "did more" (which Obama did), and "did enough" (which Obama did not). In any case, he has done much more on the topic than Trump has. But, like, the very first sentence in the article states 'In fact, the two gun laws signed by Obama actually expanded the rights of gun owners in the United States.' Also, don't get me wrong, it seems insane to me that Trump rescinded the rule on people with a mental health problem, but I don't know much about it to be honest. I'm merely trying to educate myself and hearing other opinions from the left helps me more than going around in an echo chamber.
You're moving the goalposts. The question isn't whether Obama did enough, or whether everything he did was right. The question is whether this is correct (spoiler alert: it isn't):
He's President. Is he doing anything to stop it? As much as Obama did.
If you take the time to read it, you will see that it doesn't contradict anything I just said. There is a distinction between "did more" (which Obama did), and "did enough" (which Obama did not). In any case, he has done much more on the topic than Trump has. But, like, the very first sentence in the article states 'In fact, the two gun laws signed by Obama actually expanded the rights of gun owners in the United States.' Also, don't get me wrong, it seems insane to me that Trump rescinded the rule on people with a mental health problem, but I don't know much about it to be honest. I'm merely trying to educate myself and hearing other opinions from the left helps me more than going around in an echo chamber. You're moving the goalposts. The question isn't whether Obama did enough, or whether everything he did was right. The question is whether this is correct (spoiler alert: it isn't): He's President. Is he doing anything to stop it? As much as Obama did. |
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 22:56:42 GMT 1, But, like, the very first sentence in the article states 'In fact, the two gun laws signed by Obama actually expanded the rights of gun owners in the United States.' Also, don't get me wrong, it seems insane to me that Trump rescinded the rule on people with a mental health problem, but I don't know much about it to be honest. I'm merely trying to educate myself and hearing other opinions from the left helps me more than going around in an echo chamber. You're moving the goalposts. The question isn't whether Obama did enough, or whether everything he did was right. The question is whether this is correct (spoiler alert: it isn't):
So how did he do more than Trump, is my question. As far as I can see they are both at -1 for gun control.
But, like, the very first sentence in the article states 'In fact, the two gun laws signed by Obama actually expanded the rights of gun owners in the United States.' Also, don't get me wrong, it seems insane to me that Trump rescinded the rule on people with a mental health problem, but I don't know much about it to be honest. I'm merely trying to educate myself and hearing other opinions from the left helps me more than going around in an echo chamber. You're moving the goalposts. The question isn't whether Obama did enough, or whether everything he did was right. The question is whether this is correct (spoiler alert: it isn't): Well, from what I've read Obama did one thing, in his last year of 8! years of presidency, on gun control, and two things to expand gun rights: 'Obama signed only two major laws that address how guns are carried in America, and both actually expand the rights of gun owners'. So how did he do more than Trump, is my question. As far as I can see they are both at -1 for gun control. |
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Donald Trump, by qest on Nov 8, 2018 23:10:52 GMT 1, You're moving the goalposts. The question isn't whether Obama did enough, or whether everything he did was right. The question is whether this is correct (spoiler alert: it isn't): Well, from what I've read Obama did one thing, in his last year of 8! years of presidency, on gun control, and two things to expand gun rights: 'Obama signed only two major laws that address how guns are carried in America, and both actually expand the rights of gun owners'. So how did he do more than Trump, is my question. As far as I can see they are both at -1 for gun control.
Not all actions (or inactions) are equal, so netting them out that way is unreasonable.
Obama took a number of executive actions that you seem to be disregarding. They may have less teeth but they are still actions and they did have substance. He was restricted by a hostile congress but continued to advocate for gun control and look for solutions within those restrictions.
Trump on the other hand has had on his watch the most fatal mass shooting in US history and a spate of others and utterly failed to take any action despite having a friendly congress, but sure let's keep talking about Obama.
You're moving the goalposts. The question isn't whether Obama did enough, or whether everything he did was right. The question is whether this is correct (spoiler alert: it isn't): Well, from what I've read Obama did one thing, in his last year of 8! years of presidency, on gun control, and two things to expand gun rights: 'Obama signed only two major laws that address how guns are carried in America, and both actually expand the rights of gun owners'. So how did he do more than Trump, is my question. As far as I can see they are both at -1 for gun control. Not all actions (or inactions) are equal, so netting them out that way is unreasonable. Obama took a number of executive actions that you seem to be disregarding. They may have less teeth but they are still actions and they did have substance. He was restricted by a hostile congress but continued to advocate for gun control and look for solutions within those restrictions. Trump on the other hand has had on his watch the most fatal mass shooting in US history and a spate of others and utterly failed to take any action despite having a friendly congress, but sure let's keep talking about Obama. |
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 23:25:44 GMT 1, Well, from what I've read Obama did one thing, in his last year of 8! years of presidency, on gun control, and two things to expand gun rights: 'Obama signed only two major laws that address how guns are carried in America, and both actually expand the rights of gun owners'. So how did he do more than Trump, is my question. As far as I can see they are both at -1 for gun control. Not all actions (or inactions) are equal, so netting them out that way is unreasonable. Obama took a number of executive actions that you seem to be disregarding. They may have less teeth but they are still actions and they did have substance. He was restricted by a hostile congress but continued to advocate for gun control and look for solutions within those restrictions. Trump on the other hand has had on his watch the most fatal mass shooting in US history and a spate of others and utterly failed to take any action despite having a friendly congress, but sure let's keep talking about Obama.
Also to blame Trump for 'the most fatal mass shooting' is equally insane, wtf did he have to do with a mentally insane person shooting up mostly Republican country lovers.
Well, from what I've read Obama did one thing, in his last year of 8! years of presidency, on gun control, and two things to expand gun rights: 'Obama signed only two major laws that address how guns are carried in America, and both actually expand the rights of gun owners'. So how did he do more than Trump, is my question. As far as I can see they are both at -1 for gun control. Not all actions (or inactions) are equal, so netting them out that way is unreasonable. Obama took a number of executive actions that you seem to be disregarding. They may have less teeth but they are still actions and they did have substance. He was restricted by a hostile congress but continued to advocate for gun control and look for solutions within those restrictions. Trump on the other hand has had on his watch the most fatal mass shooting in US history and a spate of others and utterly failed to take any action despite having a friendly congress, but sure let's keep talking about Obama. It just seems funny for people to go so hard on Trump on gun control, even though he hasn't done anything other than the one thing we just discussed (which, to me, seems insane, why would you allow people with mental health issues to buy guns legally?), while at the same time Obama was the lefty champion and hasn't done anything significant in 8 years either. Also to blame Trump for 'the most fatal mass shooting' is equally insane, wtf did he have to do with a mentally insane person shooting up mostly Republican country lovers. |
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Donald Trump, by qest on Nov 8, 2018 23:37:45 GMT 1, Not all actions (or inactions) are equal, so netting them out that way is unreasonable. Obama took a number of executive actions that you seem to be disregarding. They may have less teeth but they are still actions and they did have substance. He was restricted by a hostile congress but continued to advocate for gun control and look for solutions within those restrictions. Trump on the other hand has had on his watch the most fatal mass shooting in US history and a spate of others and utterly failed to take any action despite having a friendly congress, but sure let's keep talking about Obama. It just seems funny for people to go so hard on Trump on gun control, even though he hasn't done anything other than the one thing we just discussed (which, to me, seems insane, why would you allow people with mental health issues to buy guns legally?), while at the same time Obama was the lefty champion and hasn't done anything significant in 8 years either. Also to blame Trump for 'the most fatal mass shooting' is equally insane, wtf did he have to do with a mentally insane person shooting up mostly Republican country lovers.
You're right that Trump hasn't done anything, maybe that's why people go so hard on him? You can pretend that Obama did the same despite all of his executive actions, executive order, and advocacy (including pushing legislation like the Assault Weapons Ban that failed in a Republican-controlled Senate), but your claim is just a bunch of garbage that is readily apparent to anyone with a drop of intellectual honesty.
Not all actions (or inactions) are equal, so netting them out that way is unreasonable. Obama took a number of executive actions that you seem to be disregarding. They may have less teeth but they are still actions and they did have substance. He was restricted by a hostile congress but continued to advocate for gun control and look for solutions within those restrictions. Trump on the other hand has had on his watch the most fatal mass shooting in US history and a spate of others and utterly failed to take any action despite having a friendly congress, but sure let's keep talking about Obama. It just seems funny for people to go so hard on Trump on gun control, even though he hasn't done anything other than the one thing we just discussed (which, to me, seems insane, why would you allow people with mental health issues to buy guns legally?), while at the same time Obama was the lefty champion and hasn't done anything significant in 8 years either. Also to blame Trump for 'the most fatal mass shooting' is equally insane, wtf did he have to do with a mentally insane person shooting up mostly Republican country lovers. You're right that Trump hasn't done anything, maybe that's why people go so hard on him? You can pretend that Obama did the same despite all of his executive actions, executive order, and advocacy (including pushing legislation like the Assault Weapons Ban that failed in a Republican-controlled Senate), but your claim is just a bunch of garbage that is readily apparent to anyone with a drop of intellectual honesty. |
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 23:56:34 GMT 1, It just seems funny for people to go so hard on Trump on gun control, even though he hasn't done anything other than the one thing we just discussed (which, to me, seems insane, why would you allow people with mental health issues to buy guns legally?), while at the same time Obama was the lefty champion and hasn't done anything significant in 8 years either. Also to blame Trump for 'the most fatal mass shooting' is equally insane, wtf did he have to do with a mentally insane person shooting up mostly Republican country lovers. You're right that Trump hasn't done anything, maybe that's why people go so hard on him? You can pretend that Obama did the same despite all of his executive actions, executive order, and advocacy (including pushing legislation like the Assault Weapons Ban that failed in a Republican-controlled Senate), but your claim is just a bunch of garbage that is readily apparent to anyone with a drop of intellectual honesty.
Also, what would you DO for gun control? Given that there are 300 million+ weapons in the US. You are now named President qest. What do you do to stop gun violence? I'm seriously curious, even despite your hateful rhetoric. Would you confiscate certain guns? All guns? How would that work in practice?
It just seems funny for people to go so hard on Trump on gun control, even though he hasn't done anything other than the one thing we just discussed (which, to me, seems insane, why would you allow people with mental health issues to buy guns legally?), while at the same time Obama was the lefty champion and hasn't done anything significant in 8 years either. Also to blame Trump for 'the most fatal mass shooting' is equally insane, wtf did he have to do with a mentally insane person shooting up mostly Republican country lovers. You're right that Trump hasn't done anything, maybe that's why people go so hard on him? You can pretend that Obama did the same despite all of his executive actions, executive order, and advocacy (including pushing legislation like the Assault Weapons Ban that failed in a Republican-controlled Senate), but your claim is just a bunch of garbage that is readily apparent to anyone with a drop of intellectual honesty. Why would you assume a republican would advocate for gun control in the first place? Also, what would you DO for gun control? Given that there are 300 million+ weapons in the US. You are now named President qest. What do you do to stop gun violence? I'm seriously curious, even despite your hateful rhetoric. Would you confiscate certain guns? All guns? How would that work in practice? |
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Donald Trump, by qest on Nov 9, 2018 0:02:29 GMT 1, You're right that Trump hasn't done anything, maybe that's why people go so hard on him? You can pretend that Obama did the same despite all of his executive actions, executive order, and advocacy (including pushing legislation like the Assault Weapons Ban that failed in a Republican-controlled Senate), but your claim is just a bunch of garbage that is readily apparent to anyone with a drop of intellectual honesty. Why would you assume a republican would advocate for gun control in the first place? Also, what would you DO for gun control? Given that there are 300 million+ weapons in the US. You are now named President qest. What do you do to stop gun violence? I'm seriously curious, even despite your hateful rhetoric. Would you confiscate certain guns? All guns? How would that work in practice?
It's cute that you think I'd give more fuel to your disingenuous lies by engaging in a sincere discussion with you on my thoughts on gun control.
And who says I would assume a Republican would advocate for gun control? Some fairly prominent ones have, by the way and just for the record.
www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/opinion/why-i-m-for-the-brady-bill.html
You're right that Trump hasn't done anything, maybe that's why people go so hard on him? You can pretend that Obama did the same despite all of his executive actions, executive order, and advocacy (including pushing legislation like the Assault Weapons Ban that failed in a Republican-controlled Senate), but your claim is just a bunch of garbage that is readily apparent to anyone with a drop of intellectual honesty. Why would you assume a republican would advocate for gun control in the first place? Also, what would you DO for gun control? Given that there are 300 million+ weapons in the US. You are now named President qest. What do you do to stop gun violence? I'm seriously curious, even despite your hateful rhetoric. Would you confiscate certain guns? All guns? How would that work in practice? It's cute that you think I'd give more fuel to your disingenuous lies by engaging in a sincere discussion with you on my thoughts on gun control. And who says I would assume a Republican would advocate for gun control? Some fairly prominent ones have, by the way and just for the record. www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/opinion/why-i-m-for-the-brady-bill.html |
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 0:11:23 GMT 1, Why would you assume a republican would advocate for gun control in the first place? Also, what would you DO for gun control? Given that there are 300 million+ weapons in the US. You are now named President qest. What do you do to stop gun violence? I'm seriously curious, even despite your hateful rhetoric. Would you confiscate certain guns? All guns? How would that work in practice? It's cute that you think I'd give more fuel to your disingenuous lies by engaging in a sincere discussion with you on my thoughts on gun control. And who says I would assume a Republican would advocate for gun control? Some fairly prominent ones have, by the way and just for the record. www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/opinion/why-i-m-for-the-brady-bill.html
Why would you assume a republican would advocate for gun control in the first place? Also, what would you DO for gun control? Given that there are 300 million+ weapons in the US. You are now named President qest. What do you do to stop gun violence? I'm seriously curious, even despite your hateful rhetoric. Would you confiscate certain guns? All guns? How would that work in practice? It's cute that you think I'd give more fuel to your disingenuous lies by engaging in a sincere discussion with you on my thoughts on gun control. And who says I would assume a Republican would advocate for gun control? Some fairly prominent ones have, by the way and just for the record. www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/opinion/why-i-m-for-the-brady-bill.htmlYou are dodging the question, haha. What would you do, seriously. |
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Donald Trump, by d.r. perseus on Nov 9, 2018 0:59:05 GMT 1, Not all actions (or inactions) are equal, so netting them out that way is unreasonable. Obama took a number of executive actions that you seem to be disregarding.ย They may have less teeth but they are still actions and they did have substance.ย He was restricted by a hostile congress but continued to advocate for gun control and look for solutions within those restrictions.ย ย Trump on the other hand has had on his watch the most fatal mass shooting in US history and a spate of others and utterly failed to take any action despite having a friendly congress, but sure let's keep talking about Obama.ย ย It just seems funny for people to go so hard on Trump on gun control, even though he hasn't done anything other than the one thing we just discussed (which, to me, seems insane, why would you allow people with mental health issues to buy guns legally?), while at the same time Obama was the lefty champion and hasn't done anything significant in 8 years either. Also to blame Trump for 'the most fatal mass shooting' is equally insane, wtf did he have to do with a mentally insane person shooting up mostly Republican country lovers.
I'm sure you could find some articles but really nobody is "going hard" on trump in the states over guns. It's weird though that you aren't in the states but go so hard for Trump.
Not all actions (or inactions) are equal, so netting them out that way is unreasonable. Obama took a number of executive actions that you seem to be disregarding.ย They may have less teeth but they are still actions and they did have substance.ย He was restricted by a hostile congress but continued to advocate for gun control and look for solutions within those restrictions.ย ย Trump on the other hand has had on his watch the most fatal mass shooting in US history and a spate of others and utterly failed to take any action despite having a friendly congress, but sure let's keep talking about Obama.ย ย It just seems funny for people to go so hard on Trump on gun control, even though he hasn't done anything other than the one thing we just discussed (which, to me, seems insane, why would you allow people with mental health issues to buy guns legally?), while at the same time Obama was the lefty champion and hasn't done anything significant in 8 years either. Also to blame Trump for 'the most fatal mass shooting' is equally insane, wtf did he have to do with a mentally insane person shooting up mostly Republican country lovers. I'm sure you could find some articles but really nobody is "going hard" on trump in the states over guns. It's weird though that you aren't in the states but go so hard for Trump. |
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Donald Trump, by amsterdam9697 on Nov 9, 2018 1:43:07 GMT 1, I would begin with reinstating the Assault Rifle ban. Pretty much every massacre in the US revolves around assault weapons that are not recreational as far as hunting, etc. First step.
Seriously though, what the f**kis up with you blanksy? Someone tries to have an honest conversation with you, someone that actually lives here vs. reading about it online and when he disagrees, you call it hateful rhetoric? See, that's the hyperbole that makes all of your arguments null & avoid and come across to those of us in the US as absolutely ignorant. Unless you're an Alex Jones fan. Then, it all makes sense.
I would begin with reinstating the Assault Rifle ban. Pretty much every massacre in the US revolves around assault weapons that are not recreational as far as hunting, etc. First step.
Seriously though, what the f**kis up with you blanksy? Someone tries to have an honest conversation with you, someone that actually lives here vs. reading about it online and when he disagrees, you call it hateful rhetoric? See, that's the hyperbole that makes all of your arguments null & avoid and come across to those of us in the US as absolutely ignorant. Unless you're an Alex Jones fan. Then, it all makes sense.
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Nov 9, 2018 1:51:21 GMT 1, I would begin with reinstating the Assault Rifle ban. Pretty much every massacre in the US revolves around assault weapons that are not recreational as far as hunting, etc. First step. Seriously though, what the f**kis up with you blanksy? Someone tries to have an honest conversation with you, someone that actually lives here vs. reading about it online and when he disagrees, you call it hateful rhetoric? See, that's the hyperbole that makes all of your arguments null & avoid and come across to those of us in the US as absolutely ignorant. Unless you're an Alex Jones fan. Then, it all makes sense.
Assault rifle ban is
A) impossible.. impossible
B) not the problem. Nearly every shooting could've and likely wouldve been worse with a handgun in all honesty. They only go assault rifle because that's what the first few used. A 2 hand weapon in close combat is nothing compared to a 1 hand. Look at last night's club shooting .. Glock 45, 12 dead. Much easier for the average person to use a handgun in these instances. Let's hope they don't realize that. More would be dead as opposed to injured.
Also .... Well I'll just shut up lol. I could respond to a lot of things here. But a lot are also not posted by citizens of the US.
I would begin with reinstating the Assault Rifle ban. Pretty much every massacre in the US revolves around assault weapons that are not recreational as far as hunting, etc. First step. Seriously though, what the f**kis up with you blanksy? Someone tries to have an honest conversation with you, someone that actually lives here vs. reading about it online and when he disagrees, you call it hateful rhetoric? See, that's the hyperbole that makes all of your arguments null & avoid and come across to those of us in the US as absolutely ignorant. Unless you're an Alex Jones fan. Then, it all makes sense. Assault rifle ban is A) impossible.. impossible B) not the problem. Nearly every shooting could've and likely wouldve been worse with a handgun in all honesty. They only go assault rifle because that's what the first few used. A 2 hand weapon in close combat is nothing compared to a 1 hand. Look at last night's club shooting .. Glock 45, 12 dead. Much easier for the average person to use a handgun in these instances. Let's hope they don't realize that. More would be dead as opposed to injured. Also .... Well I'll just shut up lol. I could respond to a lot of things here. But a lot are also not posted by citizens of the US. |
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Donald Trump, by amsterdam9697 on Nov 9, 2018 1:55:27 GMT 1, I would begin with reinstating the Assault Rifle ban. Pretty much every massacre in the US revolves around assault weapons that are not recreational as far as hunting, etc. First step. Seriously though, what the f**kis up with you blanksy? Someone tries to have an honest conversation with you, someone that actually lives here vs. reading about it online and when he disagrees, you call it hateful rhetoric? See, that's the hyperbole that makes all of your arguments null & avoid and come across to those of us in the US as absolutely ignorant. Unless you're an Alex Jones fan. Then, it all makes sense. Assault rifle ban is A) impossible.. impossible B) not the problem. Nearly every shooting could've and likely wouldve been worse with a handgun in all honesty. They only go assault rifle because that's what the first few used. A 2 hand weapon in close combat is nothing compared to a 1 hand. Look at last night's club shooting .. Glock 45, 12 dead. Much easier for the average person to use a handgun in these instances. Let's hope they don't realize that. More would be dead as opposed to injured. Also .... Well I'll just shut up lol. I could respond to a lot of things here. But a lot are also not posted by citizens of the US.
I would begin with reinstating the Assault Rifle ban. Pretty much every massacre in the US revolves around assault weapons that are not recreational as far as hunting, etc. First step. Seriously though, what the f**kis up with you blanksy? Someone tries to have an honest conversation with you, someone that actually lives here vs. reading about it online and when he disagrees, you call it hateful rhetoric? See, that's the hyperbole that makes all of your arguments null & avoid and come across to those of us in the US as absolutely ignorant. Unless you're an Alex Jones fan. Then, it all makes sense. Assault rifle ban is A) impossible.. impossible B) not the problem. Nearly every shooting could've and likely wouldve been worse with a handgun in all honesty. They only go assault rifle because that's what the first few used. A 2 hand weapon in close combat is nothing compared to a 1 hand. Look at last night's club shooting .. Glock 45, 12 dead. Much easier for the average person to use a handgun in these instances. Let's hope they don't realize that. More would be dead as opposed to injured. Also .... Well I'll just shut up lol. I could respond to a lot of things here. But a lot are also not posted by citizens of the US. The Federal Assault Weapons ban worked from '94-'04 so why that would be impossible is beyond me? The other aspect is more stringent back-ground checks for weapons purchases; get rid of the online & weapon show loopholes and of course, if you have mental health issues, you won't be purchasing a weapon anytime soon. Simple. Or so it sounds. Ha. Ha. |
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Donald Trump, by amsterdam9697 on Nov 9, 2018 2:01:17 GMT 1, Finally, background checks for ammunition purchases. I was in Denver when the '12 Movie Theater massacre occurred. James Holmes, the shooter, purchased close to 40,000 rounds of ammunition online. With ZERO background checks involved. That's just stupid regardless of what side of the aisle you stand on.
Finally, background checks for ammunition purchases. I was in Denver when the '12 Movie Theater massacre occurred. James Holmes, the shooter, purchased close to 40,000 rounds of ammunition online. With ZERO background checks involved. That's just stupid regardless of what side of the aisle you stand on.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 3:07:00 GMT 1, Seriously though, what the f**kis up with you blanksy? Someone tries to have an honest conversation with you, someone that actually lives here vs. reading about it online and when he disagrees, you call it hateful rhetoric? See, that's the hyperbole that makes all of your arguments null & avoid and come across to those of us in the US as absolutely ignorant. Unless you're an Alex Jones fan. Then, it all makes sense.
Hahaha everytimes you post BUT UR NOT FROM MURICA BRO SO THE FUCK YOU KNOW creates an even more powerful image of you being the sterotypical Trump voter dressed in a suit made out of American flags carrying an AK47, please keep it up 
On a more serious note, I have a lotttttt of free time during my work so I'm pretty much convinced I know more about what happens in American politics on a day to day basis than about 95% of the people that live there. Also, it fascinates me, Dutch politics are so dull and boring compared to the shit you've got going on there.
Seriously though, what the f**kis up with you blanksy? Someone tries to have an honest conversation with you, someone that actually lives here vs. reading about it online and when he disagrees, you call it hateful rhetoric? See, that's the hyperbole that makes all of your arguments null & avoid and come across to those of us in the US as absolutely ignorant. Unless you're an Alex Jones fan. Then, it all makes sense. Hahaha everytimes you post BUT UR NOT FROM MURICA BRO SO THE FUCK YOU KNOW creates an even more powerful image of you being the sterotypical Trump voter dressed in a suit made out of American flags carrying an AK47, please keep it up On a more serious note, I have a lotttttt of free time during my work so I'm pretty much convinced I know more about what happens in American politics on a day to day basis than about 95% of the people that live there. Also, it fascinates me, Dutch politics are so dull and boring compared to the shit you've got going on there. |
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 3:11:28 GMT 1, Also, you would reinstate 'bans' on certain weapons. Would such 'bans' also make the FBI go and confiscate weapons? Or would you just have the 300m+ weapons lying around and suddenly expect the problem to be over? Then, if you would want the FBI to go into peoples houses and confiscate weapons, do you think people would actually give up their guns, or would they do the exact thing the second amendment is for, namely protect yourself from what they would see as a tyrannical government?
So called 'bans' are just political talking points as it wouldn't achieve anything on a day to day basis as you just can't get 300 million guns out of peoples homes.
Also, you would reinstate 'bans' on certain weapons. Would such 'bans' also make the FBI go and confiscate weapons? Or would you just have the 300m+ weapons lying around and suddenly expect the problem to be over? Then, if you would want the FBI to go into peoples houses and confiscate weapons, do you think people would actually give up their guns, or would they do the exact thing the second amendment is for, namely protect yourself from what they would see as a tyrannical government?
So called 'bans' are just political talking points as it wouldn't achieve anything on a day to day basis as you just can't get 300 million guns out of peoples homes.
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Nov 9, 2018 3:16:50 GMT 1, Assault rifle ban is A) impossible.. impossible B) not the problem. Nearly every shooting could've and likely wouldve been worse with a handgun in all honesty. They only go assault rifle because that's what the first few used. A 2 hand weapon in close combat is nothing compared to a 1 hand. Look at last night's club shooting .. Glock 45, 12 dead. Much easier for the average person to use a handgun in these instances. Let's hope they don't realize that. More would be dead as opposed to injured. Also .... Well I'll just shut up lol. I could respond to a lot of things here. But a lot are also not posted by citizens of the US. The Federal Assault Weapons ban worked from '94-'04 so why that would be impossible is beyond me? The other aspect is more stringent back-ground checks for weapons purchases; get rid of the online & weapon show loopholes and of course, if you have mental health issues, you won't be purchasing a weapon anytime soon. Simple. Or so it sounds. Ha. Ha.
Have to disagree.. the old ban covered roughly 20 models.. all of which could be slightly modified by manufacturer and sold as a new model legally, which happened...
It also had 0 effect on overall crime.. take a peak at factual Nationwide statistics
To top it off, old owners will always be grandfathered in.. that's between 6 and 15 million currently in hands depending on which statistic you believe, and I'd guess higher because of the number of self made rifles
The ar15 isn't the issue.. assault rifles aren't the issue.... If you think not having an ar15 would stop a single one of the sick fucks that commit these crimes, you're insane.
Assault rifle ban is A) impossible.. impossible B) not the problem. Nearly every shooting could've and likely wouldve been worse with a handgun in all honesty. They only go assault rifle because that's what the first few used. A 2 hand weapon in close combat is nothing compared to a 1 hand. Look at last night's club shooting .. Glock 45, 12 dead. Much easier for the average person to use a handgun in these instances. Let's hope they don't realize that. More would be dead as opposed to injured. Also .... Well I'll just shut up lol. I could respond to a lot of things here. But a lot are also not posted by citizens of the US. The Federal Assault Weapons ban worked from '94-'04 so why that would be impossible is beyond me? The other aspect is more stringent back-ground checks for weapons purchases; get rid of the online & weapon show loopholes and of course, if you have mental health issues, you won't be purchasing a weapon anytime soon. Simple. Or so it sounds. Ha. Ha. Have to disagree.. the old ban covered roughly 20 models.. all of which could be slightly modified by manufacturer and sold as a new model legally, which happened... It also had 0 effect on overall crime.. take a peak at factual Nationwide statistics To top it off, old owners will always be grandfathered in.. that's between 6 and 15 million currently in hands depending on which statistic you believe, and I'd guess higher because of the number of self made rifles The ar15 isn't the issue.. assault rifles aren't the issue.... If you think not having an ar15 would stop a single one of the sick fucks that commit these crimes, you're insane. |
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Donald Trump, by amsterdam9697 on Nov 9, 2018 3:21:27 GMT 1, You asked. I answered. It's a start. If you have a better idea where to begin, be my guest.
You asked. I answered. It's a start. If you have a better idea where to begin, be my guest.
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Donald Trump, by touchdowntodd on Nov 9, 2018 3:23:41 GMT 1, Finally, background checks for ammunition purchases. I was in Denver when the '12 Movie Theater massacre occurred. James Holmes, the shooter, purchased close to 40,000 rounds of ammunition online. With ZERO background checks involved. That's just stupid regardless of what side of the aisle you stand on.
Another moot point. I have Thousands of rounds myself.. I might go through 10,000 rounds in a year in only 1 trip a week to a range.. that's only 200 rounds a visit. I take carrying and being responsibly trained and practiced with it seriously
What matters isn't the 40k he had, it took only 76 rounds to commit that tragic crime, and he used a 12g, ar15 (which jammed and became useless), and .40 caliber glock.. and that's one of the highest gun fire totals ever in these shootings..
Limit all u wanted, that's basically 2 boxes of ammo.. no law will ever not allow that
The issue is the root cause, not the weapon. Theyll always be a way to kill people.. it's preventing the thought and issues that cause it
Finally, background checks for ammunition purchases. I was in Denver when the '12 Movie Theater massacre occurred. James Holmes, the shooter, purchased close to 40,000 rounds of ammunition online. With ZERO background checks involved. That's just stupid regardless of what side of the aisle you stand on. Another moot point. I have Thousands of rounds myself.. I might go through 10,000 rounds in a year in only 1 trip a week to a range.. that's only 200 rounds a visit. I take carrying and being responsibly trained and practiced with it seriously What matters isn't the 40k he had, it took only 76 rounds to commit that tragic crime, and he used a 12g, ar15 (which jammed and became useless), and .40 caliber glock.. and that's one of the highest gun fire totals ever in these shootings.. Limit all u wanted, that's basically 2 boxes of ammo.. no law will ever not allow that The issue is the root cause, not the weapon. Theyll always be a way to kill people.. it's preventing the thought and issues that cause it |
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Donald Trump, by amsterdam9697 on Nov 9, 2018 3:30:03 GMT 1, Seriously though, what the f**kis up with you blanksy? Someone tries to have an honest conversation with you, someone that actually lives here vs. reading about it online and when he disagrees, you call it hateful rhetoric? See, that's the hyperbole that makes all of your arguments null & avoid and come across to those of us in the US as absolutely ignorant. Unless you're an Alex Jones fan. Then, it all makes sense. Hahaha everytimes you post BUT UR NOT FROM MURICA BRO SO THE f**kYOU KNOW creates an even more powerful image of you being the sterotypical Trump voter dressed in a suit made out of American flags carrying an AK47, please keep it up On a more serious note, I have a lotttttt of free time during my work so I'm pretty much convinced I know more about what happens in American politics on a day to day basis than about 95% of the people that live there. Also, it fascinates me, Dutch politics are so dull and boring compared to thes**t you've got going on there.
Seriously though, what the f**kis up with you blanksy? Someone tries to have an honest conversation with you, someone that actually lives here vs. reading about it online and when he disagrees, you call it hateful rhetoric? See, that's the hyperbole that makes all of your arguments null & avoid and come across to those of us in the US as absolutely ignorant. Unless you're an Alex Jones fan. Then, it all makes sense. Hahaha everytimes you post BUT UR NOT FROM MURICA BRO SO THE f**kYOU KNOW creates an even more powerful image of you being the sterotypical Trump voter dressed in a suit made out of American flags carrying an AK47, please keep it up On a more serious note, I have a lotttttt of free time during my work so I'm pretty much convinced I know more about what happens in American politics on a day to day basis than about 95% of the people that live there. Also, it fascinates me, Dutch politics are so dull and boring compared to thes**t you've got going on there. I guess the real question is why would anyone in their right mind would listen to a guy who lives in the Netherlands, a cradle to grave welfare state with an incredible standard of living, and apparently has too much free time when it comes to work, about anything that had to do with US politics? It's a simple observation. Along with the simple observation that you have a keen ability to convince yourself of anything that fits your narrative. As long as it's your narrative. Strange. |
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 3:39:09 GMT 1, Hahaha everytimes you post BUT UR NOT FROM MURICA BRO SO THE f**kYOU KNOW creates an even more powerful image of you being the sterotypical Trump voter dressed in a suit made out of American flags carrying an AK47, please keep it up On a more serious note, I have a lotttttt of free time during my work so I'm pretty much convinced I know more about what happens in American politics on a day to day basis than about 95% of the people that live there. Also, it fascinates me, Dutch politics are so dull and boring compared to thes**t you've got going on there. I guess the real question is why would anyone in their right mind would listen to a guy who lives in the Netherlands, a cradle to grave welfare state with an incredible standard of living, and apparently has too much free time when it comes to work, about anything that had to do with US politics? It's a simple observation. Along with the simple observation that you have a keen ability to convince yourself of anything that fits your narrative. As long as it's your narrative. Strange.
Also, I don't have a narrative I need to fit when it comes to gun control, I'm just curious what lefties would actually practically do about guns other then shout at Trump being a sexistracistbigothomophobegunnut or propose hollow laws that sound great to the leftwing base but accomplish nothing in real life.
And don't get me wrong, I am really happy to be living in a place where it's nearly impossible to get a gun for a normal citizen. But would I be living in the US? I'd be carrying and well trained on a shooting range.
Hahaha everytimes you post BUT UR NOT FROM MURICA BRO SO THE f**kYOU KNOW creates an even more powerful image of you being the sterotypical Trump voter dressed in a suit made out of American flags carrying an AK47, please keep it up On a more serious note, I have a lotttttt of free time during my work so I'm pretty much convinced I know more about what happens in American politics on a day to day basis than about 95% of the people that live there. Also, it fascinates me, Dutch politics are so dull and boring compared to thes**t you've got going on there. I guess the real question is why would anyone in their right mind would listen to a guy who lives in the Netherlands, a cradle to grave welfare state with an incredible standard of living, and apparently has too much free time when it comes to work, about anything that had to do with US politics? It's a simple observation. Along with the simple observation that you have a keen ability to convince yourself of anything that fits your narrative. As long as it's your narrative. Strange. Why would you have to be from somewhere to know a lot about the subject at hand? I'm not here to brag by any means, but every time you reply to something I post there's a variation on 'UR DUTCH U DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT MUH USA BOIIII' in your posts which makes me chuckle, because I think I can safely assume I know more about US politics than most of the people that live there. Also, I don't have a narrative I need to fit when it comes to gun control, I'm just curious what lefties would actually practically do about guns other then shout at Trump being a sexistracistbigothomophobegunnut or propose hollow laws that sound great to the leftwing base but accomplish nothing in real life. And don't get me wrong, I am really happy to be living in a place where it's nearly impossible to get a gun for a normal citizen. But would I be living in the US? I'd be carrying and well trained on a shooting range. |
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Donald Trump, by qest on Nov 9, 2018 4:51:25 GMT 1, I guess the real question is why would anyone in their right mind would listen to a guy who lives in the Netherlands, a cradle to grave welfare state with an incredible standard of living, and apparently has too much free time when it comes to work, about anything that had to do with US politics? It's a simple observation. Along with the simple observation that you have a keen ability to convince yourself of anything that fits your narrative. As long as it's your narrative. Strange. Also, I don't have a narrative I need to fit when it comes to gun control
I guess the real question is why would anyone in their right mind would listen to a guy who lives in the Netherlands, a cradle to grave welfare state with an incredible standard of living, and apparently has too much free time when it comes to work, about anything that had to do with US politics? It's a simple observation. Along with the simple observation that you have a keen ability to convince yourself of anything that fits your narrative. As long as it's your narrative. Strange. Also, I don't have a narrative I need to fit when it comes to gun control LOL |
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Donald Trump, by d.r. perseus on Nov 9, 2018 7:20:58 GMT 1, "I'm pretty much convinced I know more about what happens in American politics on a day to day basis than about 95% of the people that live there. Also, it fascinates me, Dutch politics "....that are related to policy within country.... Should be left to the Dutch.
As much as you believe you know more than most in my country you come across as the vocal ignorant within it or an outsider propagandist at best
"I'm pretty much convinced I know more about what happens in American politics on a day to day basis than about 95% of the people that live there. Also, it fascinates me, Dutch politics "....that are related to policy within country.... Should be left to the Dutch.
As much as you believe you know more than most in my country you come across as the vocal ignorant within it or an outsider propagandist at best
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Donald Trump, by Daylight Robber on Nov 9, 2018 7:43:27 GMT 1, I would begin with reinstating the Assault Rifle ban. Pretty much every massacre in the US revolves around assault weapons that are not recreational as far as hunting, etc. First step. Seriously though, what the f**kis up with you blanksy? Someone tries to have an honest conversation with you, someone that actually lives here vs. reading about it online and when he disagrees, you call it hateful rhetoric? See, that's the hyperbole that makes all of your arguments null & avoid and come across to those of us in the US as absolutely ignorant. Unless you're an Alex Jones fan. Then, it all makes sense. Assault rifle ban is A) impossible.. impossible B) not the problem. Nearly every shooting could've and likely wouldve been worse with a handgun in all honesty. They only go assault rifle because that's what the first few used. A 2 hand weapon in close combat is nothing compared to a 1 hand. Look at last night's club shooting .. Glock 45, 12 dead. Much easier for the average person to use a handgun in these instances. Let's hope they don't realize that. More would be dead as opposed to injured. Also .... Well I'll just shut up lol. I could respond to a lot of things here. But a lot are also not posted by citizens of the US.
This is the problem right here. Refusal to look to or listen to those in other countries. There are many examples of nation states which have all but eradicated domestic mass shootings, by banning some types of guns and introducing stricter licensing laws for the ownership of others. There's no such thing as impossible when there is the will.
I would begin with reinstating the Assault Rifle ban. Pretty much every massacre in the US revolves around assault weapons that are not recreational as far as hunting, etc. First step. Seriously though, what the f**kis up with you blanksy? Someone tries to have an honest conversation with you, someone that actually lives here vs. reading about it online and when he disagrees, you call it hateful rhetoric? See, that's the hyperbole that makes all of your arguments null & avoid and come across to those of us in the US as absolutely ignorant. Unless you're an Alex Jones fan. Then, it all makes sense. Assault rifle ban is A) impossible.. impossible B) not the problem. Nearly every shooting could've and likely wouldve been worse with a handgun in all honesty. They only go assault rifle because that's what the first few used. A 2 hand weapon in close combat is nothing compared to a 1 hand. Look at last night's club shooting .. Glock 45, 12 dead. Much easier for the average person to use a handgun in these instances. Let's hope they don't realize that. More would be dead as opposed to injured. Also .... Well I'll just shut up lol. I could respond to a lot of things here. But a lot are also not posted by citizens of the US. This is the problem right here. Refusal to look to or listen to those in other countries. There are many examples of nation states which have all but eradicated domestic mass shootings, by banning some types of guns and introducing stricter licensing laws for the ownership of others. There's no such thing as impossible when there is the will. |
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Donald Trump, by Leo Boyd on Nov 9, 2018 9:13:07 GMT 1, Also, I don't have a narrative I need to fit when it comes to gun control, I'm just curious what lefties would actually practically do about guns other then shout at Trump being a sexistracistbigothomophobegunnut or propose hollow laws that sound great to the leftwing base but accomplish nothing in real life. And don't get me wrong, I am really happy to be living in a place where it's nearly impossible to get a gun for a normal citizen. But would I be living in the US? I'd be carrying and well trained on a shooting range.
It is boring and kind of painful to read
its like listening to a drunk uncle propping up the bar and giving out about the world
if you wanted to have an actual conversation you would drop that crap but you keep bringing it up
Guns in america (and the world really) is not a left-right thing as guns are a fucking endemic problem on the whole planet.
in the states you could start by having a massive educational drive on the history and use of guns (including spree shootings) but no one is going to do that as the lobby groups are very powerful and there would be immediate cries of nanny state etc.
Good day to you
Also, I don't have a narrative I need to fit when it comes to gun control, I'm just curious what lefties would actually practically do about guns other then shout at Trump being a sexistracistbigothomophobegunnut or propose hollow laws that sound great to the leftwing base but accomplish nothing in real life. And don't get me wrong, I am really happy to be living in a place where it's nearly impossible to get a gun for a normal citizen. But would I be living in the US? I'd be carrying and well trained on a shooting range. Here man basically you give away your bias when you go on about lefties and hateful rhetoric It is boring and kind of painful to read its like listening to a drunk uncle propping up the bar and giving out about the world if you wanted to have an actual conversation you would drop that crap but you keep bringing it up Guns in america (and the world really) is not a left-right thing as guns are a fucking endemic problem on the whole planet. in the states you could start by having a massive educational drive on the history and use of guns (including spree shootings) but no one is going to do that as the lobby groups are very powerful and there would be immediate cries of nanny state etc. Good day to you |
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Donald Trump, by Chris JL on Nov 9, 2018 9:28:50 GMT 1, Really, with the political will, an effective gun reform is very simple:
1) ban automatic, semiautomatic and pump action firearms,
2) adopt real licensing requirements
3) establish a national firearms registry
4) institute a 28-day waiting period for gun purchases
5) start a voluntary buy back and destroy programme with amnesty for illegally owned firearms entering the programme.
The above actions took just months (not years) to implement in 1996 Australia (in reaction to the Port Arthur mass shooting and against the very same NRA opposition we hear in US).
These actions led to: faster falls in firearm deaths, firearm suicides, firearm homicides, and a decade without mass shootings (before the policy Australia had, roughly, one mass shooting a year - ie, scaled by population, a similar rate as US).
Moreover, there was no evidence of substitution effect (ie gun violence was NOT replaced by other forms of violence - ie knife).
These are all strongly significant effects reviewed and well studied and understood by academics and documented in peer reviewed articles.
These are facts, not opinions: real gun control does work. The rest is just callous gun-lobby propaganda peddled (for money) by lying ideologues and repeated by their suckers.
Really, with the political will, an effective gun reform is very simple:
1) ban automatic, semiautomatic and pump action firearms,
2) adopt real licensing requirements
3) establish a national firearms registry
4) institute a 28-day waiting period for gun purchases
5) start a voluntary buy back and destroy programme with amnesty for illegally owned firearms entering the programme.
The above actions took just months (not years) to implement in 1996 Australia (in reaction to the Port Arthur mass shooting and against the very same NRA opposition we hear in US).
These actions led to: faster falls in firearm deaths, firearm suicides, firearm homicides, and a decade without mass shootings (before the policy Australia had, roughly, one mass shooting a year - ie, scaled by population, a similar rate as US).
Moreover, there was no evidence of substitution effect (ie gun violence was NOT replaced by other forms of violence - ie knife).
These are all strongly significant effects reviewed and well studied and understood by academics and documented in peer reviewed articles.
These are facts, not opinions: real gun control does work. The rest is just callous gun-lobby propaganda peddled (for money) by lying ideologues and repeated by their suckers.
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Donald Trump, by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 11:42:35 GMT 1, All that shows is how easily led people are. Trump blatantly revs up the fear and rhetoric (and lies) to get votes - and people are stupid enough to swallow it all. The same thing happened this side of the pond with Brexit. People need to start thinking for themselves and questioning what these idiots tell them.
All that shows is how easily led people are. Trump blatantly revs up the fear and rhetoric (and lies) to get votes - and people are stupid enough to swallow it all. The same thing happened this side of the pond with Brexit. People need to start thinking for themselves and questioning what these idiots tell them. |
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