[docean]

I'm shocked they let these get out the door...unbelievable.

Had to go check the thousand faces I bought at Miami Art week just to make sure nothing weird was up with that too lol.  (fine, thank goodness)

[Graffiti Prints]

All prints we have ever made have offsets

That's what this looks like and not been picked up when signed or numbered.

just speak to Jean and I'm sure he will replace

if all were like that fair enough but only one complaint and your all talking like its the whole edition!!

[natstan]

Dec 17, 2015 9:21:57 GMT 1 Graffiti Prints said:

All prints we have ever made have offsets

That's what this looks like and not been picked up when signed or numbered.

just speak to Jean and I'm sure he will replace

if all were like that fair enough but only one complaint and your all talking like its the whole edition!!

Did you read the previous posts? There seems to be 3 so far posting and commenting on the blurry printing.

[phoj]

Dec 17, 2015 9:53:00 GMT 1 natstan said:

Dec 17, 2015 9:21:57 GMT 1 Graffiti Prints said:

All prints we have ever made have offsets

That's what this looks like and not been picked up when signed or numbered.

just speak to Jean and I'm sure he will replace

if all were like that fair enough but only one complaint and your all talking like its the whole edition!!

Did you read the previous posts? There seems to be 3 so far posting and commenting on the blurry printing.

Talked to JP now, apparently they were all like that because it was difficult. To be honest I am disappointed that when they saw what the result was, they still let it go out. Offered me a refund which I will accept because this honestly isn't a quality work, and also think this is the most expensive one they've done? Bit surprised Sandra thought it was OK enough too.

[boogie]

Shall i then offload you the burden of the print? For a good price, in my favor, of course:) 

[phoj]

Dec 17, 2015 11:26:48 GMT 1 boogie said:

Shall i then offload you the burden of the print? For a good price, in my favor, of course:) 

Sent you a PM

[natstan]

Dec 17, 2015 10:39:18 GMT 1 phoj said:

Dec 17, 2015 9:53:00 GMT 1 natstan said:

Did you read the previous posts? There seems to be 3 so far posting and commenting on the blurry printing.

Talked to JP now, apparently they were all like that because it was difficult. To be honest I am disappointed that when they saw what the result was, they still let it go out. Offered me a refund which I will accept because this honestly isn't a quality work, and also think this is the most expensive one they've done? Bit surprised Sandra thought it was OK enough too.

I would have wanted a refund too if I had bought one. As I said, a nice work has been marred by poor execution. Not surprised JP would offer a refund as he always come across as a nice guy. Probably just an oversight. Ironically, GP, who just came to JP's defence, did a great job with the humanite print which I once had (sorry I can never get the full title of SC's works). That one is printed really sharp and crisp.

[phoj]

The dark hearts print is also printed to perfection by GP

[wow]

Is the whole edition in bad condition? COA gallerys reputation can be really damaged by this. Seems like there are a lot of dissapointed buyers on the norwegian art forum.

[onetwothree]

Dec 17, 2015 10:39:18 GMT 1 phoj said:

Dec 17, 2015 9:53:00 GMT 1 natstan said:

Did you read the previous posts? There seems to be 3 so far posting and commenting on the blurry printing.

Talked to JP now, apparently they were all like that because it was difficult. To be honest I am disappointed that when they saw what the result was, they still let it go out. Offered me a refund which I will accept because this honestly isn't a quality work, and also think this is the most expensive one they've done? Bit surprised Sandra thought it was OK enough too.

The large formats were a lot more expensive, but no problems. They were are so clear they look like originals.

[russkov]

Dec 17, 2015 19:26:18 GMT 1 wow said:

Is the whole edition in bad condition? COA gallerys reputation can be really damaged by this. Seems like there are a lot of dissapointed buyers on the norwegian art forum.

Let's ask another way, does someone have a print which is in "perfect" condition? indeed on the norwegian art forum some are disappointed...

[phoj]

To be honest, I feel Galerie Coa and Sandra now has three options, and that the one they make will kind of show how dedicated they are to their fans.

1. Tell everyone to destroy their prints and go back to the printers to try and get it right; nice and sharp with contrasts as we have seen previously. Perhaps call Graffiti Prints and hear if he has any tips, his prints have been brilliant.

2. Refund the people that bought at least 50% of the price, to reflect they acknowledge the lack of quality. Full refunds and returning the prints for the people that want of course.

3. Refund those who send an email complaining (which I reckon should be a lot) and get them through the hassle of shipping back only to sell on to other people who don't care so much about the craftmanship.

I am a fan of option 1. I love the image, that is why I bought it. And all of Sandras prints have been top notch, why ruin that now when she is really starting to take off? If the costs of a do-over is hugely larger than the profits from the first one I'd guess I'd be happy with number 2. Then it is at least an acknowledgement that the quality is not what you can expect from Sandra in the future.

Unfortunately it seems they are going for option number 3 which besides creating a bit of hassle for their customers; kind of ruins the notion that Sandra's prints are phenomenal in person.

[phoj]

What would you have done Graffiti Prints?

[Jangaloon]

Collection 1 any update on what may become of this 

[cyberkid]

because there is no "official" comment from JP i will post this...from an email today.

"Hi XXX, yes this one is definitely different. We did a 14 colours screen print. It’s not a giclée this time. Doing a print like that in silkscreen is something even impossible to do.
There’s so much colours and shade in it. We tried this because we wanted to work with an artist screen printer. The printer worked with the original canvas and tried to get the feeling of the original canvas. That’s why the black of the background is textured because all of her originals have a textured background and the eyes are glossy varnish. Also the comics have a vintage feels like the comics she used. Hope that helps"

...well, what are your thoughts ?!

[phoj]

I love screen print over giclee, but I think it is a bit odd saying that doing a silkscreen like that (and I assume he means getting the contrasts right and of course with no blur) is impossible when graffitiprints repeatedly has shown us it can be done, and in perfect fashion as well. I mean, I held the print up against my Dark hearts, and yeah, I can like the vintage look and perhaps even the attempt of creating texture in the background but when you compare them it is just so blurry it doesn't hold up in my opinion.

[Art Fan 2011]

Very poor form and really surprised Sandra let these go out!! All they can do is issue refunds for those that want and learn from their costly error for next time!

[daveart]

i didnt buy this print so maybe shouldnt comment. but i think when you take a picture of anything from 5cm away you get a different feel than what is intended from say 5 meters away. i would suggest going to the sales page. are there close ups from 5cm? do they show a different quality? or if they are pictures of the whole print.. take a picture of your whole print.. do they have the same quality ? i do not know the answers.

i have defintely bought prints that when looked at in person were not exactly what i was thiking when looking at online.

if the print is as the printer/artist intended.... i think i would have to say 'you got what they sold' .. if there is obvious quality differences from what is advertised.. then you are in a different conversation.

anyway, i'd slow down the pitch fork gathering until someone can show that what was delivered varied vastly from what was advertised.

oh, and of course stop talking these down so you can flip em on ebay ha

[randomname]

Dec 17, 2015 22:06:28 GMT 1 cyberkid said:

because there is no "official" comment from JP i will post this...from an email today.

"Hi XXX, yes this one is definitely different. We did a 14 colours screen print. It’s not a giclée this time. Doing a print like that in silkscreen is something even impossible to do.
There’s so much colours and shade in it. We tried this because we wanted to work with an artist screen printer. The printer worked with the original canvas and tried to get the feeling of the original canvas. That’s why the black of the background is textured because all of her originals have a textured background and the eyes are glossy varnish. Also the comics have a vintage feels like the comics she used. Hope that helps"

...well, what are your thoughts ?!

That's bullshit. The print is out of register. Simple as that. It never should have made it past a proof without being corrected. That's why you print proofs. He's either lying or being lied to by the printer and doesn't know any better. If that's the case, he should know better.

[andysh]

Like it a lot actually...

[d.r. perseus]

Even if I accept that "the comics have a vintage feels(s) like the comics she used" to explain away the comic iconography...Its a pretty hard sell to the buyers that the individual quote she uses in isolation should look like this:

[d.r. perseus]

makes no sense.

[Collection 1]

Hi guys, I just read this whole thread and I will try to explain the best I can.
There's 2 way doing screen printing. The first one is to separate almost each colour and print them screen by screen.This is what we did with the previous ones. Because of the complexity of all the shades and the colour she uses and also the collage elements, the printer needs to make artistic choices.At the end, the print is more an interpretation of the original work. We quite liked this idea and still proud of what Giancarlo did but this time we wanted to go somewhere else.

The second process is to build each final colour by superimposing different layers of colour.Starting with the paler colour up to the darker ones, using less colour than possible.This process has the function to go deeper in all the shades, the texture and subtlety that an original painting contains. In regard to push the boundaries and try something new, we decided to use this process to make something that looks more like a reproduction of her original painting then an interpretation. We already know that digital printing is the way to go to get a 100% prefect reproduction but we wanted to explore this screen printing method to try something new and go out of our comfort zone.

For this print we used  glossy varnish on the eyes to give them a bit of intensity. We also used the glossy varnish on the background to get closer to her original textured background. In this way each print's background are a bit different.
Concerning some parts of the text that looks blurry, the reason is each letters are smaller than 1 mm and because of the process ( the letters aren't printed in black but are made of 4 to 6 colours ) the overprint of the ink made the letters a bit bold and blurry.The original painting was 15'' x 60'' and the print is around 12'' x 48''. We downsized all the image including the text. We never screen printed a text that was so tiny before.
Each technic have their own limits. The tiny letters was one of them. We decided to accept it as we previously accepted that the colours and details weren't totally accurate on the 2 other ones we released with GP. It was an artistic choice. We are still believing that the overall print works really well. I added some pictures to show what I meant when I talked about each technic's limits.

Dark heart original watercolor on paper:


Dark Heart print:



Original work:


14 colours screen print.



If some of you are not comfortable with the print please contact me directly: [e-mail] instead of pmed me and we will work something out.

Best regards

Jean-Pascal


 

[Ottomatik]

I have much to say about the above post, but I digress......

I will say that the above information should have been disclosed to the public before the print was released.

[andyroo0312]

Maybe SC should just use the crew that print Hush,s prints or better still Harland Millers. It's a bit of a shame really as this image is very beautiful, better than most (image wise).

[Graffiti Prints]

Sandra did use the crew that prints hush on both prints we made, we use the same print shop in Newcastle

Well said Jean Paul always knew you would sort this, but may I add that when we made the first print we did have the original at the print shop to reference Still hangs in my wall at home

This made a big difference in colours there virtually exact, second print we did from there scan, always much harder to ref colours on screen

That said we learned a lot from the first and the second print is better technically than the first

Hardest part of Sandra prints is registration of comics and shading round the eyes

Registration we used 0.25mm so it looks very Chrisp but is very hard to line up on each screen but if you want super crisp you have to do

Eyes is shading colours together to get the same effect as Sandra when painting. this is almost impossible in screen and yes and an interpretation.

I think we got it about 90% right on first and 95% right on second being compared to original

You are shooting in the dark on every layer at this stage on the eyes and I was at the print shop for days testing till it looked right changing colours to mix better etc on each layer at this stage.

Making screen prints is two fold

First part is the files for each layer vvv vvv important 95% of the process

this is what cuts us above others we have been doing them 9 years and also have inspiration every time we go to the print shop too from hush who is master at files and building a image

Then is the printer good enough to print your files we have only ever found two that can screen our files with virtually no registration rest just laugh at us and tell us we're mad.

That's why our prints our super crisp generally and that's why we print more colours than most - detail.

I have not seen the big new print in the flesh so can not comment but I do know from experience how hard these are to make.

still my most expensive prints produced, longest time to make and most time spent on files

My screen printer described both prints as black magic to make and will only make one a year as it's more a favour for all the work I give him

Reason for that is he could make 2 or 3 prints in same time and make more money.

Hope that gives you all a understanding of how hard these are to make etc

I met both Jean and Sandra there very upstanding people with good natures who have had unreal success one small slip and you come down hard IMO give him a break always knew he would stand up and sort out anyone not happy.

Merry Xmas all

GP

[natstan]

Dec 18, 2015 10:08:28 GMT 1 Graffiti Prints said:

Sandra did use the crew that prints hush on both prints we made, we use the same print shop in Newcastle

Well said Jean Paul always knew you would sort this, but may I add that when we made the first print we did have the original at the print shop to reference Still hangs in my wall at home

This made a big difference in colours there virtually exact, second print we did from there scan, always much harder to ref colours on screen

That said we learned a lot from the first and the second print is better technically than the first

Hardest part of Sandra prints is registration of comics and shading round the eyes

Registration we used 0.25mm so it looks very Chrisp but is very hard to line up on each screen but if you want super crisp you have to do

Eyes is shading colours together to get the same effect as Sandra when painting. this is almost impossible in screen and yes and an interpretation.

I think we got it about 90% right on first and 95% right on second being compared to original

You are shooting in the dark on every layer at this stage on the eyes and I was at the print shop for days testing till it looked right changing colours to mix better etc on each layer at this stage.

Making screen prints is two fold

First part is the files for each layer vvv vvv important 95% of the process

this is what cuts us above others we have been doing them 9 years and also have inspiration every time we go to the print shop too from hush who is master at files and building a image

Then is the printer good enough to print your files we have only ever found two that can screen our files with virtually no registration rest just laugh at us and tell us we're mad.

That's why our prints our super crisp generally and that's why we print more colours than most - detail.

I have not seen the big new print in the flesh so can not comment but I do know from experience how hard these are to make.

still my most expensive prints produced, longest time to make and most time spent on files

My screen printer described both prints as black magic to make and will only make one a year as it's more a favour for all the work I give him

Reason for that is he could make 2 or 3 prints in same time and make more money.

Hope that gives you all a understanding of how hard these are to make etc

I met both Jean and Sandra there very upstanding people with good natures who have had unreal success one small slip and you come down hard IMO give him a break always knew he would stand up and sort out anyone not happy.

Merry Xmas all

GP

Moral of the story - all SC screen prints should go though GP.

[russkov]

For all the above, I think we are all happy with the technical part of the printing process, and I would not say that people here are overreacting, we are not talking of a 50/100$ print here, but one of 450$, and in that regard I feel that customer/collector is to be fully informed on the status of the stuff he would buy at that price.

[slow]

I got the print today. Very nice!!

It is 14 colors Screen Print + varnish!!! I would not have bought it if it had been a giclee print

It is signed by the artist and it look very nice! Please do not stop experiment! People that do not like it can buy posters of the originals instead.

Picasso was once challenged by a "want to be" art expert. The "want to be" expert said what is this painting, anybody can do this..it has no meaning.......... .....Picasso than asked back "Are you married?" he said "Yes"
Picasso said "Do you have a picture of her?" He said "yes" and handed Picasso a passport sized photo of his wife. Picasso then replayed "Well she looks really small"!!!

[nighthawk]

Hats off to JP and Giancarlo for their honest AND immediate responses, especially when they really didn't have to respond here. JP is a solid dude, one of the best, as is Giancarlo. And like G echoed, I knew JP would make it right for anybody not happy with their print. That's what both these chaps do !!!