Martha Cooper 🇺🇸 Subway Art Book • New York Graffiti

[Dungle]

Mar 25, 2015 22:07:52 GMT 1 curiousgeorge said:

Going out on a limb here…No Martha, then no forum

Do you think she'd be prepared to do a stint as a mod then?

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So is the argument here that photography isn't a form of art?

[lha]

Great birthday present!
www.brooklynstreetart.com/theblog/2013/03/09/images-of-the-week-03-10-03-happy-birthday-martha-cooper/

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Mar 25, 2015 22:30:17 GMT 1 Dungle said:

Mar 25, 2015 22:07:52 GMT 1 curiousgeorge said:

Going out on a limb here…No Martha, then no forum

Do you think she'd be prepared to do a stint as a mod then?

Somehow, I think her definition of "mod" will be different.

[Coach]

Mar 25, 2015 22:32:18 GMT 1 lha said:

Great birthday present!
www.brooklynstreetart.com/theblog/2013/03/09/images-of-the-week-03-10-03-happy-birthday-martha-cooper/

Fabulous! Hadn't seen that before.

Martha Cooper is a legend, and has been for a looong time.

[Dr Plip]

So if Martha Cooper can't use Banksy's image as part of her photographic print of a man on a couch, is it ok for Banksy to use Keith Haring's dog on his prints?

Is there a street art lawyer in the house?

[Deleted]

I hated CYW too... that release was the real low point in this hobby.

[.dappy]

... I thought EVERYONE on this forum was ...

[lha]

Noticed this on the one still up, not sure if that applies to whole edition of 75 - great if it does!
Shipped the day after the vernissage of the expo in Gaeta 30March. With the artwork you receive the Catalog of the Italian Exposition and with and unsigned poster of the exposition with keith haring

[randomname]

Mar 25, 2015 22:31:34 GMT 1 @desmond398 said:

So is the argument here that photography isn't a form of art?

Not at all. My opinion is that this particular photograph didn't add anything to Banksy's piece. If anything, I think it dumbs it down.

Through most of her career, there was a novelty to treating graffiti (which was considered urban decay by most) as fine art. That's not really the case when you're staging a photo shoot in front of a Banksy. 

Anyway, I think if you like a piece simply because you like it, you should buy it. If you only like it because of who did it, I would probably pass. 

[Dibbs 45]

Mar 25, 2015 22:03:26 GMT 1 @shadynasty said:

Mar 25, 2015 21:52:55 GMT 1 WOOF said:

Martha has been documenting the street art world for a long ass time. She's as much a part of it as any of the OG's...

I'm aware of her work. I'm being cynical. I'm aware of that too.

I still stand by my words. At 125, it was a pricey photo by legendary photographer. At the 250 pricing scheme, it was a depressing cash grab made by standing on the shoulders of another artist's work.

Does Banksy need to approve this too? (Like the Glitter Gorilla people were so upset over?) Or is it OK for Martha to take a Banksy image and profit from it, because of who she is/was?

"Does Banksy need to approve this too"  I think Banksy would feel honoured that Martha took this photo. I'm sure he would have no problem that a seventy year old photography legend was taking photos of his work.

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Culture Minister Hadia Tajik visits Nuart with Martha Cooper


Martha Cooper Street Art




Nuart Berlin

Honoured to count Martha as a friend, to say she's trying to profit from a Banksy image or that this is a money grab is patently ridiculous.

[nighthawk]

Mar 25, 2015 22:31:34 GMT 1 @desmond398 said:

So is the argument here that photography isn't a form of art?

Yes, aparently some people seem to think that. And to top it off, a Martha Copper photo isn't worth €125. Especially one capturing a Banksy NYC exhibit, that is signed by Martha, and is limited to only 75 copies.

[Winter]

I'm sure Banksy would be flattered to have his work photographed by Martha Cooper. I have no doubt he knows her personally and recognises how important she is to the world of street art. Same with the Maya Hayuk 'Chem Trails' edition. She has also produced many books documenting street art.
Think it's fair to say any legal action is unlikely!

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Mar 25, 2015 22:57:28 GMT 1 Dibbs 45 said:

Mar 25, 2015 22:03:26 GMT 1 @shadynasty said:

I'm aware of her work. I'm being cynical. I'm aware of that too.

I still stand by my words. At 125, it was a pricey photo by legendary photographer. At the 250 pricing scheme, it was a depressing cash grab made by standing on the shoulders of another artist's work.

Does Banksy need to approve this too? (Like the Glitter Gorilla people were so upset over?) Or is it OK for Martha to take a Banksy image and profit from it, because of who she is/was?

"Does Banksy need to approve this too"  I think Banksy would feel honoured that Martha took this photo. I'm sure he would have no problem that a seventy year old photography legend was taking photos of his work.

And I think Banksy would be honored anyone at all is knocking off his stuff, regardless of age or legendary status. That is why he seems to allow the reproduction of his works. Right?

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Mar 25, 2015 23:00:42 GMT 1 @martedanielsen said:

Honoured to count Martha as a friend, to say she's trying to profit from a Banksy image or that this is a money grab is patently ridiculous.

And your claim that doubling the price in the span of a couple of hours is not a money grab is also patently ridiculous.

[mc9205]

Mar 25, 2015 23:00:42 GMT 1 @martedanielsen said:

Culture Minister Hadia Tajik visits Nuart with Martha Cooper


Martha Cooper Street Art




Nuart Berlin

Honoured to count Martha as a friend, to say she's trying to profit from a Banksy image or that this is a money grab is patently ridiculous.

That's exactly what she's doing

[Dr Plip]

My memory is terrible, but wasn't there a street artist that attempted to protect his street work from photographic reproduction? 

Edit: I mean through legal means, not some reflective spray varnish.

[Deleted]

Mar 25, 2015 23:07:19 GMT 1 @shadynasty said:

Mar 25, 2015 23:00:42 GMT 1 @martedanielsen said:

Honoured to count Martha as a friend, to say she's trying to profit from a Banksy image or that this is a money grab is patently ridiculous.

And your claim that doubling the price in the span of a couple of hours is not a money grab is also patently ridiculous.

And you think that's Martha ? lol.

[Jeezuz Jones Snr]

Mar 25, 2015 23:07:19 GMT 1 @shadynasty said:

Mar 25, 2015 23:00:42 GMT 1 @martedanielsen said:

Honoured to count Martha as a friend, to say she's trying to profit from a Banksy image or that this is a money grab is patently ridiculous.

And your claim that doubling the price in the span of a couple of hours is not a money grab is also patently ridiculous.

good luck to her making as much as she can, a game of bingo is expensive these days

[Deleted]

Mar 25, 2015 23:13:29 GMT 1 mc9205 said:

Mar 25, 2015 23:00:42 GMT 1 @martedanielsen said:

That's exactly what she's doing

Back to street art school for you.

[Deleted]

OK, so the entity Martha authorized to sell her work were the money grabbers, not Martha.

She had nothing to do with the release scheme. I'll take your word for it. But when you associate yourself with people like that, it's easy for outsiders to make other associations as well.

[Coach]

Mar 25, 2015 23:01:49 GMT 1 Winter said:

I'm sure Banksy would be flattered to have his work photographed by Martha Cooper. I have no doubt he knows her personally and recognises how important she is to the world of street art. Same with the Maya Hayuk 'Chem Trails' edition. She has also produced many books documenting street art.
Think it's fair to say any legal action is unlikely!

Spot on mate.

[meh.]

Mar 25, 2015 23:35:43 GMT 1 Coach said:

Mar 25, 2015 23:01:49 GMT 1 Winter said:

I'm sure Banksy would be flattered to have his work photographed by Martha Cooper. I have no doubt he knows her personally and recognises how important she is to the world of street art. Same with the Maya Hayuk 'Chem Trails' edition. She has also produced many books documenting street art.
Think it's fair to say any legal action is unlikely!

Spot on mate.

the maya hayuk print was sold by galleries who represent her

[randomname]

Mar 25, 2015 23:18:40 GMT 1 Dr Plip said:

My memory is terrible, but wasn't there a street artist that attempted to protect his street work from photographic reproduction? 

Edit: I mean through legal means, not some reflective spray varnish.

David Anasagasti, a.k.a. Ahol Sniffs Glue, sued American Eagle for using a mural as a backdrop in a fashion shoot. I believe they settled out of court.

[Jimmy Oscar]

Mar 25, 2015 23:32:24 GMT 1 @shadynasty said:

OK, so the entity Martha authorized to sell her work were the money grabbers, not Martha.

She had nothing to do with the release scheme. I'll take your word for it. But when you associate yourself with people like that, it's easy for outsiders to make other associations as well.

Hate when people try and make a living.

[curiousgeorge]

www.amazon.co.uk/Subway-art-anniversary-Henry-Chalfant/dp/889536340X

I've got some of these left which I'll sell at cost.£30 from memory, these were singed by Martha and Henry

Few pm's about these!!!  They will now increase £30 as each one sells…Remember these are the singed versions

[nighthawk]

Mar 25, 2015 23:32:24 GMT 1 @shadynasty said:

OK, so the entity Martha authorized to sell her work were the money grabbers, not Martha.

She had nothing to do with the release scheme. I'll take your word for it. But when you associate yourself with people like that, it's easy for outsiders to make other associations as well.

Shady (somewhat ironic), what's your issue with the release? As someone pointed out already, these have been up for a week! You're seriously upset that the gallery decided to sell their last copy for x2 cost? And because of that alone, Martha Cooper should never deal with them again?

To my experience and knowledge, most galleries will keep a few of whatever release they're releasing, and sell them at a marked up price down the road. I don't see this as "shady" business, but rather par for the course. Or simply put...business.

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Nothing shady about me my friend. I am just one guy in Florida whose been around the block a time or two. I am not a proponent of the way certain galleries and their minions behave. I am also very aware of a lot of other nefarious behavior on these types of boards, ebay, social media etc. Consider me a bearish troll who enjoys seeing the monetary benefits of this hobby dry up. I don't have a business or flat file filled with prints waiting to be sold.

I am a fan of the misbehavers like BNE, Hanksy, MBW, Pepper Spray, and other upstart artists who are bucking (mocking) the trend and doing things their own way.

It's a new beginning for me, hence the "Welcome Home" banner in my avatar.

As for these prints, I didn't know about them until today. I didn't take interest until the cost doubled. You are right, it is the way certain sellers run their "business." In my opinion, the business is shady, not me.

[WOOF]

Mar 26, 2015 0:05:21 GMT 1 randomname said:

Mar 25, 2015 23:18:40 GMT 1 Dr Plip said:

My memory is terrible, but wasn't there a street artist that attempted to protect his street work from photographic reproduction? 

Edit: I mean through legal means, not some reflective spray varnish.

David Anasagasti, a.k.a. Ahol Sniffs Glue, sued American Eagle for using a mural as a backdrop in a fashion shoot. I believe they settled out of court.

You're correct, he got monies and it's over now.