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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by Con Art Studio on Mar 31, 2017 21:03:06 GMT 1, Could it be this is a subtle reference to hip hop and it's death as a culture? The backpacker look of the late 90s-2000's featured a person wearing large headphones and since burning cd's was still very hard to do the "mixtape" culture was still very much alive. Tony touch tapes and stretch/bobbito tapes(recorded from radio) were still passed around, revered and were still held in a cult-like status. That's my guess but maybe I'm reading too much into it. I just don't think he would've made an object just to make it(which is, if he couldn't cast the headphones right because they're too fragile and then threw some random thicker headphones on them). Maybe these relics are intended to transcend the object and they're making a statement on how we use them too. Your hip-hop knowledge is on point but... the larger headphone culture started with beats. Nobody was rockin these larger headphones then except dj's. I don't like this either way but the headphones that came standard with walkmans (especially the yellow sport models) would have been more apropos. The idea was to be compact and portable at that time. Some headphones were even foldable.
Could it be this is a subtle reference to hip hop and it's death as a culture? The backpacker look of the late 90s-2000's featured a person wearing large headphones and since burning cd's was still very hard to do the "mixtape" culture was still very much alive. Tony touch tapes and stretch/bobbito tapes(recorded from radio) were still passed around, revered and were still held in a cult-like status. That's my guess but maybe I'm reading too much into it. I just don't think he would've made an object just to make it(which is, if he couldn't cast the headphones right because they're too fragile and then threw some random thicker headphones on them). Maybe these relics are intended to transcend the object and they're making a statement on how we use them too. Your hip-hop knowledge is on point but... the larger headphone culture started with beats. Nobody was rockin these larger headphones then except dj's. I don't like this either way but the headphones that came standard with walkmans (especially the yellow sport models) would have been more apropos. The idea was to be compact and portable at that time. Some headphones were even foldable. these aren't the larger, over the ear, headphones that DJs used before beats. the original walkmans were only about 3.5" wide. each can on these headphones are smaller than the width of the walkman. lots of standard headphones from the early 90s were fairly large... if these were more like DJ headphones then they would be much much larger. |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by sl on Mar 31, 2017 21:07:48 GMT 1, Your hip-hop knowledge is on point but... the larger headphone culture started with beats. Nobody was rockin these larger headphones then except dj's. I don't like this either way but the headphones that came standard with walkmans (especially the yellow sport models) would have been more apropos. The idea was to be compact and portable at that time. Some headphones were even foldable. these aren't the larger, over the ear, headphones that DJs used before beats. the original walkmans were only about 3.5" wide. each can on these headphones are smaller than the width of the walkman. lots of standard headphones from the early 90s were fairly large... if these were more like DJ headphones then they would be much much larger.
Your hip-hop knowledge is on point but... the larger headphone culture started with beats. Nobody was rockin these larger headphones then except dj's. I don't like this either way but the headphones that came standard with walkmans (especially the yellow sport models) would have been more apropos. The idea was to be compact and portable at that time. Some headphones were even foldable. these aren't the larger, over the ear, headphones that DJs used before beats. the original walkmans were only about 3.5" wide. each can on these headphones are smaller than the width of the walkman. lots of standard headphones from the early 90s were fairly large... if these were more like DJ headphones then they would be much much larger. Yes I agree. They would have also maybe only had earphone on one side. I was simply commenting on the size of these headphones being similar to dj style. The headphones that same with standard walkmans were much smaller and did not have ear cushions like these only foam |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by tech on Mar 31, 2017 22:08:22 GMT 1, seems as if the base the cassette player is sitting on is actually part of the piece. besides the price, that was a deciding factor in not getting one. there's a reason none of the photos shows the back of piece. does this bother anyone?
Same here. It showed up pretty good in one of his instagram stories and it bothered me since it looked molded on the piece. I'm not sure why he decided to do this since the cassette tape came with a nice display stand but i'm sure he had his reasons. The price seemed out of sorts also with the weight and general look of the relic. The telephone 5 relic was way bigger in weight and cost $50 less. I don't really feel the need to own all the relics while it would be nice I suppose if you're someone who needs everything in sets but i've decided just to stick with the ones that hold some sentimental value to me. The 35mm camera, telephone, cassette tape and alarm clock all have had some sort of significance to me in my life and i'm fine with just having those (although I do need the alarm clock and tape down the line) 
seems as if the base the cassette player is sitting on is actually part of the piece. besides the price, that was a deciding factor in not getting one. there's a reason none of the photos shows the back of piece. does this bother anyone? Same here. It showed up pretty good in one of his instagram stories and it bothered me since it looked molded on the piece. I'm not sure why he decided to do this since the cassette tape came with a nice display stand but i'm sure he had his reasons. The price seemed out of sorts also with the weight and general look of the relic. The telephone 5 relic was way bigger in weight and cost $50 less. I don't really feel the need to own all the relics while it would be nice I suppose if you're someone who needs everything in sets but i've decided just to stick with the ones that hold some sentimental value to me. The 35mm camera, telephone, cassette tape and alarm clock all have had some sort of significance to me in my life and i'm fine with just having those (although I do need the alarm clock and tape down the line) |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by Peter Bengtsen on Mar 31, 2017 23:04:39 GMT 1, Could it be this is a subtle reference to hip hop and it's death as a culture? The backpacker look of the late 90s-2000's featured a person wearing large headphones and since burning cd's was still very hard to do the "mixtape" culture was still very much alive. Tony touch tapes and stretch/bobbito tapes(recorded from radio) were still passed around, revered and were still held in a cult-like status. That's my guess but maybe I'm reading too much into it. I just don't think he would've made an object just to make it(which is, if he couldn't cast the headphones right because they're too fragile and then threw some random thicker headphones on them). Maybe these relics are intended to transcend the object and they're making a statement on how we use them too. i think you are looking too much into it. while it sounds good for this particular relic, it doesn't explain the 35mm camera, the polaroid camera, the alarm clock, the mobile phone or the push button telephone. i think all of these relics are just things from his childhood that pretty much have gone extinct in his lifetime, nothing more, nothing less.
Well, the idea was to take the object that has become obsolete, which is a film camera... How I use photography or what I use photography for has changed with the advent of digital technology. The way that we are recording this conversation is digital, the photographs that you took of me and my sculptures are all digital. A camera is nothing unless thereโs film inside and youโre using it to take photographs, which become the memories, the way you mark your time on this earth. Itโs a dog leash. Itโs a shoe. Itโs a flight of stairs. Itโs a blanket that prevents you from freezing to death. Itโs something that gets you from one point to another. Now film cameras have become obsolete, but we all have the camera that our grandparents took pictures of us with sitting on a shelf. This item of beauty maybe because it was designed well and itโs attractive to look at, maybe itโs something that reminds you of this moment in time, a moment in design. It becomes this oddly nostalgic object. So I thought to myself, how do I respond to that? Iโve started seriously thinking about these objects, these things we consider quite precious and we imbue them with this emotional attachment and importance, significance in our life...
The above is an excerpt from an interview with Michael Stipe, who - as was pointed out in a previous comment on this thread by Poster Bob - has been doing work similar to Arsham's at least since 2008.
Could it be this is a subtle reference to hip hop and it's death as a culture? The backpacker look of the late 90s-2000's featured a person wearing large headphones and since burning cd's was still very hard to do the "mixtape" culture was still very much alive. Tony touch tapes and stretch/bobbito tapes(recorded from radio) were still passed around, revered and were still held in a cult-like status. That's my guess but maybe I'm reading too much into it. I just don't think he would've made an object just to make it(which is, if he couldn't cast the headphones right because they're too fragile and then threw some random thicker headphones on them). Maybe these relics are intended to transcend the object and they're making a statement on how we use them too. i think you are looking too much into it. while it sounds good for this particular relic, it doesn't explain the 35mm camera, the polaroid camera, the alarm clock, the mobile phone or the push button telephone. i think all of these relics are just things from his childhood that pretty much have gone extinct in his lifetime, nothing more, nothing less. The a bove is an excerpt from an interview with Michael Stipe, who - as was pointed out in a previous comment on this thread by Poster Bob - has been doing work similar to Arsham's at least since 2008. |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by lucky7 on Apr 1, 2017 0:01:08 GMT 1, Could it be this is a subtle reference to hip hop and it's death as a culture? The backpacker look of the late 90s-2000's featured a person wearing large headphones and since burning cd's was still very hard to do the "mixtape" culture was still very much alive. Tony touch tapes and stretch/bobbito tapes(recorded from radio) were still passed around, revered and were still held in a cult-like status. That's my guess but maybe I'm reading too much into it. I just don't think he would've made an object just to make it(which is, if he couldn't cast the headphones right because they're too fragile and then threw some random thicker headphones on them). Maybe these relics are intended to transcend the object and they're making a statement on how we use them too. Your hip-hop knowledge is on point but... the larger headphone culture started with beats. Nobody was rockin these larger headphones then except dj's.ย I don't like this either way but the headphones that came standard with walkmans (especially the yellow sport models) would have been more apropos.ย The idea was to be compact and portable at that time. Some headphones were even foldable.ย
Absolutely not!
What are you talking about?
Sure, beats, made big headphones popular for the masses, but there always was a large subculture of audiophiles and hi-fi lovers who toted around large headphones.
Could it be this is a subtle reference to hip hop and it's death as a culture? The backpacker look of the late 90s-2000's featured a person wearing large headphones and since burning cd's was still very hard to do the "mixtape" culture was still very much alive. Tony touch tapes and stretch/bobbito tapes(recorded from radio) were still passed around, revered and were still held in a cult-like status. That's my guess but maybe I'm reading too much into it. I just don't think he would've made an object just to make it(which is, if he couldn't cast the headphones right because they're too fragile and then threw some random thicker headphones on them). Maybe these relics are intended to transcend the object and they're making a statement on how we use them too. Your hip-hop knowledge is on point but... the larger headphone culture started with beats. Nobody was rockin these larger headphones then except dj's.ย I don't like this either way but the headphones that came standard with walkmans (especially the yellow sport models) would have been more apropos.ย The idea was to be compact and portable at that time. Some headphones were even foldable.ย Absolutely not! What are you talking about? Sure, beats, made big headphones popular for the masses, but there always was a large subculture of audiophiles and hi-fi lovers who toted around large headphones. |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by sl on Apr 1, 2017 0:24:38 GMT 1, Your hip-hop knowledge is on point but... the larger headphone culture started with beats. Nobody was rockin these larger headphones then except dj's. I don't like this either way but the headphones that came standard with walkmans (especially the yellow sport models) would have been more apropos. The idea was to be compact and portable at that time. Some headphones were even foldable. Absolutely not! What are you talking about? Sure, beats, made big headphones popular for the masses, but there always was a large subculture of audiophiles and hi-fi lovers who toted around large headphones.
You never saw people with larger headphones until the popularity of items like beats promoted by the hip hop culture. Audiophiles may have had high quality headphones but they were the exception and for home or studio use.
They were not walking around the street with them. It would have looked ridiculous until recently. Again the idea was compactness and portability. Large headphones would have defeated the purpose.
Your hip-hop knowledge is on point but... the larger headphone culture started with beats. Nobody was rockin these larger headphones then except dj's. I don't like this either way but the headphones that came standard with walkmans (especially the yellow sport models) would have been more apropos. The idea was to be compact and portable at that time. Some headphones were even foldable. Absolutely not! What are you talking about? Sure, beats, made big headphones popular for the masses, but there always was a large subculture of audiophiles and hi-fi lovers who toted around large headphones. My point was that the headphones pictured here would not have come standard. Notice the large earcups and the heavy padding on top. Clearly an upgrade. You never saw people with larger headphones until the popularity of items like beats promoted by the hip hop culture. Audiophiles may have had high quality headphones but they were the exception and for home or studio use. They were not walking around the street with them. It would have looked ridiculous until recently. Again the idea was compactness and portability. Large headphones would have defeated the purpose. |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by lucky7 on Apr 1, 2017 0:31:36 GMT 1, Absolutely not! What are you talking about? Sure, beats, made big headphones popular for the masses, but there always was a large subculture of audiophiles and hi-fi lovers who toted around large headphones. My point was that the headphones pictured here would not have come standard. Notice the large earcups and the heavy padding on top. Clearly an upgrade. You never saw people with larger headphones until the popularity of items like beats promoted by the hip hop culture. Audiophiles may have had high quality headphones but they were the exception and for home or studio use. They were not walking around the street with them. It would have looked ridiculous until recently. Again the idea was compactness and portability. Large headphones would have defeated the purpose.ย
I agree on them not being standard.
I do remember proto-hipster kids in my school using them. And the odd passenger in about 1/2 flights I ever took. They looked weird but they did exist.
Absolutely not! What are you talking about? Sure, beats, made big headphones popular for the masses, but there always was a large subculture of audiophiles and hi-fi lovers who toted around large headphones. My point was that the headphones pictured here would not have come standard. Notice the large earcups and the heavy padding on top. Clearly an upgrade. You never saw people with larger headphones until the popularity of items like beats promoted by the hip hop culture. Audiophiles may have had high quality headphones but they were the exception and for home or studio use. They were not walking around the street with them. It would have looked ridiculous until recently. Again the idea was compactness and portability. Large headphones would have defeated the purpose.ย I agree on them not being standard. I do remember proto-hipster kids in my school using them. And the odd passenger in about 1/2 flights I ever took. They looked weird but they did exist. |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by Spenie on Apr 1, 2017 0:34:52 GMT 1, 
They should have looked more like this. Ear phones are all wrong for a walkman in the 80's.
They should have looked more like this. Ear phones are all wrong for a walkman in the 80's. |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by thisisit on Apr 1, 2017 20:16:17 GMT 1, Didn't Daniel Ortega do the exact same thing with his "Fossilized" works back in 2012 with White Cube? Christopher Locke also did it in 2013. IMO these at least look accurate and appear to be old and fossilized. 
The precision and undercuts on daniel arshams editions in relation to how each one is unique is where it all lies. Also he is one of the artists that have successfully used social media to their advantage, which is the new type of artists, will they last? maybe. (I'm digging it)
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Didn't Daniel Ortega do the exact same thing with his "Fossilized" works back in 2012 with White Cube? Christopher Locke also did it in 2013. IMO these at least look accurate and appear to be old and fossilized. The precision and undercuts on daniel arshams editions in relation to how each one is unique is where it all lies. Also he is one of the artists that have successfully used social media to their advantage, which is the new type of artists, will they last? maybe. (I'm digging it) host photos |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by gravity1 on Apr 1, 2017 20:24:54 GMT 1, Didn't Daniel Ortega do the exact same thing with his "Fossilized" works back in 2012 with White Cube? Christopher Locke also did it in 2013. IMO these at least look accurate and appear to be old and fossilized. The precision and undercuts on daniel arshams editions in relation to how each one is unique is where it all lies. Also he is one of the artists that have successfully used social media to their advantage, which is the new type of artists, will they last? maybe. (I'm digging it) host photos
Didn't Daniel Ortega do the exact same thing with his "Fossilized" works back in 2012 with White Cube? Christopher Locke also did it in 2013. IMO these at least look accurate and appear to be old and fossilized. The precision and undercuts on daniel arshams editions in relation to how each one is unique is where it all lies. Also he is one of the artists that have successfully used social media to their advantage, which is the new type of artists, will they last? maybe. (I'm digging it) host photosIn comparison the Arsham pieces seem to be much more synthetic and almost "digital" in their composition. They are "eroded" in a way that makes the pieces appear to be composed of spherical beads, which they very well may have been. Seems only a shotgun blast would create such deformation and not a natural process over time. Anyway..... moving on. |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by Cornish Crayon on Apr 5, 2017 11:34:24 GMT 1, I only found out yesterday that Daniel is colour blind........
How has that slipped by me, I must be deaf .........
I only found out yesterday that Daniel is colour blind........
How has that slipped by me, I must be deaf .........
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by nobokov on Apr 5, 2017 13:04:51 GMT 1, They just won the Milan Design Prize for Snarkitechture.
They just won the Milan Design Prize for Snarkitechture.
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by msobel3 on Apr 5, 2017 15:43:14 GMT 1, I only found out yesterday that Daniel is colour blind........ How has that slipped by me, I must be deaf .........
and he just recently (past year or two) found some sort of glasses that help him see color. Not sure if it was a coincidence or not but i am pretty sure that after he got those glasses was when he started working with color like the blue and purple he did for the pieces and the cave at his show at perrotin
I only found out yesterday that Daniel is colour blind........ How has that slipped by me, I must be deaf ......... and he just recently (past year or two) found some sort of glasses that help him see color. Not sure if it was a coincidence or not but i am pretty sure that after he got those glasses was when he started working with color like the blue and purple he did for the pieces and the cave at his show at perrotin |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by Con Art Studio on Apr 5, 2017 17:41:28 GMT 1, I only found out yesterday that Daniel is colour blind........ How has that slipped by me, I must be deaf ......... and he just recently (past year or two) found some sort of glasses that help him see color. Not sure if it was a coincidence or not but i am pretty sure that after he got those glasses was when he started working with color like the blue and purple he did for the pieces and the cave at his show at perrotin
I only found out yesterday that Daniel is colour blind........ How has that slipped by me, I must be deaf ......... and he just recently (past year or two) found some sort of glasses that help him see color. Not sure if it was a coincidence or not but i am pretty sure that after he got those glasses was when he started working with color like the blue and purple he did for the pieces and the cave at his show at perrotin i think the only colors with are blue/purple is because that's the color he can see the best. it's the same reason the only color in facebook's design is blue, Zuckerberg is red-green colorblind and the color blue is the one he can see the best. |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by anodyne13 on Apr 7, 2017 1:12:13 GMT 1, I feel like he originally started the cast fossilized style by pouring into hollowed out/cut Styrofoam, which is what the erosion components look like, but what do I know.
At the end of the day, Im not sure it matters who came up with the idea first, but who was able to implement best. Kind of like technology and business in a way.
I also think it is clear that he cannot claim the concept as an original idea, although I find his much more aesthetically pleasing and having a more interesting extra dimension with the sterile white material than the other versions.
I feel like he originally started the cast fossilized style by pouring into hollowed out/cut Styrofoam, which is what the erosion components look like, but what do I know.
At the end of the day, Im not sure it matters who came up with the idea first, but who was able to implement best. Kind of like technology and business in a way.
I also think it is clear that he cannot claim the concept as an original idea, although I find his much more aesthetically pleasing and having a more interesting extra dimension with the sterile white material than the other versions.
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by tech on Apr 8, 2017 19:04:17 GMT 1, Does anyone have a picture of the stand the tape player is molded to?
Does anyone have a picture of the stand the tape player is molded to?
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by greedy21 on Apr 8, 2017 19:14:43 GMT 1, Does anyone have a picture of the stand the tape player is molded to?
Mine is due to arrive Monday, I can post a couple pics for you then if still needed.
Does anyone have a picture of the stand the tape player is molded to? Mine is due to arrive Monday, I can post a couple pics for you then if still needed. |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by nobokov on Apr 8, 2017 21:04:38 GMT 1, Does anyone have a picture of the stand the tape player is molded to?
http://instagram.com/p/BSobbN5F3sl
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by Con Art Studio on Apr 8, 2017 22:08:16 GMT 1,
that molded stand looks as bad as I imagined it would... it would have looked much better if the stand looked like a natural looking rock as if the relic was dug out of the ground
that molded stand looks as bad as I imagined it would... it would have looked much better if the stand looked like a natural looking rock as if the relic was dug out of the ground |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by delano on Apr 8, 2017 22:25:41 GMT 1, That lump on the back looks shocking.
Super disappointed by this...
Why not keep the relic true to the original form of the object as has been done on the other 6.
The stand should have been similar to the one that came with the cassette.
Artistic integrity out of the window.
It seems this is now all about the $$$
That lump on the back looks shocking.
Super disappointed by this...
Why not keep the relic true to the original form of the object as has been done on the other 6.
The stand should have been similar to the one that came with the cassette.
Artistic integrity out of the window.
It seems this is now all about the $$$
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by nobokov on Apr 8, 2017 22:30:57 GMT 1, You have to be a true visionary to imagine a Walkman decaying into a trapezoid over 60 years time. Bravo Ar Sham...
You have to be a true visionary to imagine a Walkman decaying into a trapezoid over 60 years time. Bravo Ar Sham...
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by Cornish Crayon on Apr 8, 2017 22:55:15 GMT 1,
Just me....... or did he pull that out faster than I would have done ?
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by fatwesty on Apr 18, 2017 16:18:33 GMT 1, I've just dug one of these out of storage and may part with it. What is the current value of one of these, mint condition, never displayed. U.K based.
And help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
I've just dug one of these out of storage and may part with it. What is the current value of one of these, mint condition, never displayed. U.K based.
And help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by tran16 on Apr 18, 2017 16:26:43 GMT 1, Try the Art Value Thread
Try the Art Value Thread
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by fatwesty on Apr 18, 2017 16:54:21 GMT 1, I did but I couldn't find a Daniel Arsham thread and was unable to create a new post.
I did but I couldn't find a Daniel Arsham thread and was unable to create a new post.
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by Hooked on Art on Apr 20, 2017 19:07:05 GMT 1, Did anyone else purchase this edition. I've just returned home having been away to find ยฃ144.98 parcelforce import fee's...
Did anyone else purchase this edition. I've just returned home having been away to find ยฃ144.98 parcelforce import fee's...
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by Poster Bob on Apr 20, 2017 21:02:33 GMT 1, Did anyone else purchase this edition. I've just returned home having been away to find ยฃ144.98 parcelforce import fee's...
Did anyone else purchase this edition. I've just returned home having been away to find ยฃ144.98 parcelforce import fee's... No idea what fee's are but if they're the same as fees you just got jacked. Keep in mind these are now selling for less than cost on Ebay. |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by Cutkillavince on Apr 20, 2017 21:02:33 GMT 1, Did anyone else purchase this edition. I've just returned home having been away to find ยฃ144.98 parcelforce import fee's...
Did anyone else purchase this edition. I've just returned home having been away to find ยฃ144.98 parcelforce import fee's... Yep, was 110Euros for me... |
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by Plate Spinner on Apr 20, 2017 21:04:28 GMT 1, Did anyone else purchase this edition. I've just returned home having been away to find ยฃ144.98 parcelforce import fee's... Yep, was 110Euros for me...
Did anyone else purchase this edition. I've just returned home having been away to find ยฃ144.98 parcelforce import fee's... Yep, was 110Euros for me... same. ridiculous |
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