[boyce]

Now 1450 for charming baker gold leaf/750 for normal edition.if anyone is interested let me know

[iamzero]

Could this be called a flip? I bet jealous are watching.

[Deleted]

Proceeds of this print originally go to War Child, which is a charity which helps children who are born into the worlds most dangerous war zones, who may witness horror which most people on this forum will never witness...

Some people think flipping this print for their own personal greed is acceptable.

My personal view is that such behaviour is disgusting and shameful.

[WOOF]

edit: you know what... nevermind. Not worth it.

[cmodart]

To play devils advocate - if one buys a print and part or all of the sale goes to charity, isn't that the same benefit to the charity, irrespective of a later sale? I understand it might not feel great, and I haven't been flipping charity prints, but why the righteous indignation over later sales? One might say that the flippers are part of the sellout demand and initial success. Again - I don't have a dog in the fight, just curious why people are so offended.

Said another way - Should someone be compelled to later sell at cost or not sell at all? How do you think that would impact the initial demand?

[Deleted]

I don't care if people flip prints generally to augment their income streams, it used to grind my gears but I've accepted it's part and parcel of the market. I'm amused when people try and defend their 'sales' when it's apparent that that's actually what's going on however and they get called out.....

With charity prints my stance differs, Skip refers to the artist being 'disheartened' and I get that totally. He would (and I would) prefer all future proceeds to go to Warchild in this case, its difficult to visualise a scenario where anyone who collects urban art for a hobby can justify prioritising themselves financially against the kids Warchild supports?

My two penneth, I don't expect some people to agree with me.

[Poster Bob]

That makes no sense. CH is so disheartened that flippers flipped his highly flippable flip? The charity still got their donation and last time I checked there was far less of a proportion of the total run sold on Ebay as compared to the Laz online release meaning more prints got into the hands of collectors. I'd call that a success.

Nov 19, 2014 2:13:14 GMT 1 @skip said:

Nov 18, 2014 22:37:31 GMT 1 @lurkersutd said:

Proceeds of this print originally go to War Child, which is a charity which helps children who are born into the worlds most dangerous war zones, who may witness horror which most people on this forum will never witness...

Some people think flipping this print for their own personal greed is acceptable.

My personal view is that such behaviour is disgusting and shameful.

 
Well said.

I believe War Child was also Conor Harrington's charity of choice for his NYC exhibition print, which was similarly and shamefully flipped by members such as WOOF no regard for anyone but themselves and their own personal greed.

A friend of mine actually spoke to the artist about this, and the sad fact of it all is that he's so disheartened by the selfish profiteering that he's unlikely to repeat the gesture ever again.

And people say flipping doesn't hurt anyone? Maybe you want to ask a child of war about that.

[kimble]

The thought process of an urban art buyer donating to charity-

Q. What do I get out of donating to the charity?
A. A print signed by the artist.

Q. Can I make money from the charity?
A. Not really mate, unless you're a psychopath you may feel a little bit bad about it after the event.

Q. How about getting my money back later down the line yet still keep the feel good factor of donating to a charity?
A. If you leave it a year or two you will not be judged by your fellow forumites and thanks to your mind trickery you will keep the feel good factor.

[boyce]

another forum member sold war child normal edition for 750 on here...........did he make a profit....no......

[cmodart]

Nov 19, 2014 7:39:03 GMT 1 @lurkersutd said:

I don't care if people flip prints generally to augment their income streams, it used to grind my gears but I've accepted it's part and parcel of the market. I'm amused when people try and defend their 'sales' when it's apparent that that's actually what's going on however and they get called out.....

With charity prints my stance differs, Skip refers to the artist being 'disheartened' and I get that totally. He would (and I would) prefer all future proceeds to go to Warchild in this case, its difficult to visualise a scenario where anyone who collects urban art for a hobby can justify prioritising themselves financially against the kids Warchild supports?

My two penneth, I don't expect some people to agree with me.

So, if you buy a charity print, and then later sell it, you mail the extra money to the charity?

[Deleted]

Yep, that's my view of what would be ideal with prints which are exclusively produced for the benefit of charities. For commercially driven prints, I couldn't care less tbh.

[WOOF]

Nov 19, 2014 15:12:56 GMT 1 @lurkersutd said:

Yep, that's my view of what would be ideal with prints which are exclusively produced for the benefit of charities. For commercially driven prints, I couldn't care less tbh.

All prints are commercially driven. Each time an artist sells a print, he or she is making an investment in their career, regardless of if the proceeds go to charity. If their value as an artist goes up as a result, do you suggest they donate that extra 200 quid they could charge on their next print to the charity as well?

[cmodart]

Nov 19, 2014 15:12:56 GMT 1 @lurkersutd said:

Yep, that's my view of what would be ideal with prints which are exclusively produced for the benefit of charities. For commercially driven prints, I couldn't care less tbh.

curious - Have you bought any charity prints?