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[Lroy]

FABULOUS !!!!

Ah ahahahaha !! The end - tragic or comic ? I dunno -  will be tomorrow ; can't wait ! This serie was the

best since Dallas, TEXAS, When J.Royston said :

" - Sue HElBNE, you're not a tee, you're not a print, and you sure as hell are #notaBanksy!

  - You bought me once BNE, But you can't anymore. I'm no longer for sale "
 

[Lroy]

Tmrrw anyway, I hope I will have my payday !!! Only 0,52 left !! And my banker said " Welcome Mr Roy Patrick " ... Xmas will be sh.t this year , as all 2014, the worse of my little life !

" You bought me once BNE,  But you can't anymore. I'm no longer for sale "

[randomname]

Dec 21, 2014 0:21:25 GMT 1 aldoxzx said:

Dec 20, 2014 23:25:34 GMT 1 randomname said:

The t-shirt money was pretty cut and dry fraud. He offered refunds after Banksy said he wasn't involved, but said he would collaborate with another artist and the money would all still go to charity. He also said that whoever stuck with him would be rewarded with a $5,000 print for $100, which he later raised to $500. We all know how that turned out.

None of these things are related. The original shirt sale (the "100" Faile/Invader/Fairey shirts) were not limited, but anyone who wanted a refund got one. I know several people asked for a refund, got one, and didn't have to send back their shirt.

After a good amount of time had passed, long enough for Paypal's dispute window to expire, he delivered a half assed shirt with no art to speak of. Someone on here had even mocked up the same joke a few months before, which is where he probably got the idea.

Delivering a half-assed shirt is not fraud. It's just delivering a s**tty shirt. Wasn't the original purchase page a shirt with a question mark on it or something? That's like buying a "mystery" tube from an artist and getting crap.

If that's had been the extent of his shenanigans, he probably would have been fine. But then he said the charity refused his donation because the money was collected under false pretenses. He then said he would find another charity to give it to.

If he had followed through, he still probably would have been fine. But he lied and said that some mysterious person had contacted every single charity known to man and that no one would take his money. And because of that, he would keep the money and spend it as he saw fit. That's where he crossed the line.

He didn't offer any refunds at that point. He simply kept the money and has likely been living off it ever since.

As for the income tax evasion, he collected the money as charitable donations. If he tries to claim that it's tax exempt, he could find himself in a fair bit of trouble. 

I have not seen one person in this thread saying they asked for a refund and didn't get it. Got a post to quote? AFAIK anyone who asked for a refund got one. If you didn't like the charity shenanigans you were free to get your money back. I personally bought a Faile scuba horse shirt and kept it.. whatever it didn't go to charity, but I still have my shirt that I am fine with.

Also, Paypal's window running out does not limit your options - you could still file a chargeback, call your bank, etc.

Just to be clear, this way this guy has done business is really dumb and shady, but if he actually took people's money (as in, someone asked for their money back and didn't get it), this thread would be more along the lines of the recent thread about the artist who didn't deliver the OGs. 

I don't think you're paying very close attention to what you're reading. The first section you quoted was in regards to the Banksy shirts, not the Ivader, Obey and Faile shirts. That's why it Says Banksy and not any of those other names.

To your comment, however, they very definitely were sold as limited edition shirts. When they didn't sell out immediately, people knew something was up, including Faile. They asked that COAs be included with the orders. They printed and mailed the COAs to BNE well in advance of him shipping them. He agreed to include the COAs and then didn't.

He claimed he didn't include them because he didn't feel comfortable using the water charity's name on the COA. This is despite the fact he used their name liberally on his website and social media before, during and after he refused to send the COAs. So if you believe that excuse, I don't know what else to tell you.

Printing and selling more shirts than the advertised limited quantity is fraud. That said, that wasn't the fraud I was referring to in my post, so let's move on.

Regarding the half assed shirt being fraud, I never said it was. In fact, if you read the very next sentence after the section you quoted, I said the opposite. It was dishonest and an all around dick move on his part, but probably doesn't cross the threshold of fraud.

As for refunds after the fact, he did not issue any refunds. A few members posted on here that they asked for refunds and were ignored. If you can point to anyone who asked for a refund and received it, I'd like to see it.

Regardless, collecting money in the name of a charity and then keeping it is fraud no matter how you spin it. Even if he did issue refunds when asked, it would still be fraud. If you don't believe me, go door to door collecting money for the Red Cross and keep it. Then when the police come knocking on your door try telling them you would have given the money back to anyone who asked.

[noah0189]

L-Roy you lost me man. Lol

[.dappy]

... I think mr aldo should read the 80+ pages of the original thread of the continuing lies of the bloke ... ' I am going to get my friend who is homeless to do the design and help him out with some money' ... that soon changed as well ...   

urbanartassociation.com/thread/114733/banksy-bne-world-water-day

[thomasmer]

So much speculation, and very few facts.

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Dec 22, 2014 5:04:17 GMT 1 thomasmer said:

So much speculation, and very few facts.

Perfectly describes BNE's modus operandi.

[Deleted]

I heard that the prints got delivered today?
Anyone any pictures of the Banksy BNE Print?.....

[mitboi]

latest post on IG comment:

So I've just been informed that the print is actually by BNE himself. It's also the image posted here. Is that true @bnedotorg

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Dec 22, 2014 19:14:58 GMT 1 mitboi said:

latest post on IG comment:

So I've just been informed that the print is actually by BNE himself. It's also the image posted here. Is that true @bnedotorg

It is!
I have seen pictures of the print (not mine!).... Just hope someone want's to share his own print...

[Deleted]

It's very simple really and BNE should have published a few facts.

Facts being how much money was raised for the charity and what happened to the money.

Otherwise it looks like he is being evasive.

Also people have a right to know seing as it was a public campaign to raise money for charity.


The other stuff to do with merchandise and refunds is up to people who placed orders as to if they are happy with what they paid for or not.

[FЯ]

Dec 22, 2014 19:14:58 GMT 1 mitboi said:

latest post on IG comment:

So I've just been informed that the print is actually by BNE himself. It's also the image posted here. Is that true @bnedotorg

Think it is pretty obvious it was by BNE, whoever thought otherwise quite frankly deserves what is coming to them (or not)

[randomname]

Dec 22, 2014 5:04:17 GMT 1 thomasmer said:

So much speculation, and very few facts.

I think you've got that backwards. There are plenty of facts to back up what little speculation is going around.

It's a fact he sold Faile, Obey and Invader shirts as "limited editions."

It's a fact Faile suspected he oversold their shirt and asked him to include COAs.

It's a fact he agreed to include them and then didn't.

It's a fact Faile said they would never partner with anyone else on charity work again and would only do charity work themselves.

It's a fact BNE claimed he was doing a shirt with Banksy.

It's a fact he sold hundreds of shirts at $100 a pop.

It's a fact Banksy said he never had anything to do with it.

It's a fact BNE said he was scammed in a series of bizarre and contradictory claims.

It's a fact BNE said he would partner with another artist and give all the money to charity.

It's a fact he never partnered with another artist.

It's a fact he ultimately didn't give the money to charity.

Based on all of those facts, myself and quite a few others have speculated that BNE is a lying piece of shit and has lined his own pockets in the name of charity. Come to think of it, that last bit isn't so much speculation as it is fact.

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Dec 22, 2014 19:24:59 GMT 1 randomname said:

Dec 22, 2014 5:04:17 GMT 1 thomasmer said:

So much speculation, and very few facts.

I think you've got that backwards. There are plenty of facts to back up what little speculation is going around.

It's a fact he sold Faile, Obey and Invader shirts as "limited editions."

It's a fact Faile suspected he oversold their shirt and asked him to include COAs.

It's a fact he agreed to include them and then didn't.

It's a fact Faile said they would never partner with anyone else on charity work again and would only do charity work themselves.

It's a fact BNE claimed he was doing a shirt with Banksy.

It's a fact he sold hundreds of shirts at $100 a pop.

It's a fact Banksy said he never had anything to do with it.

It's a fact BNE said he was scammed in a series of bizarre and contradictory claims.

It's a fact BNE said he would partner with another artist and give all the money to charity.

It's a fact he never partnered with another artist.

It's a fact he ultimately didn't give the money to charity.

Based on all of those facts, myself and quite a few others have speculated that BNE is a lying piece of s**t and has lined his own pockets in the name of charity. Come to think of it, that last bit isn't so much speculation as it is fact.

Fact!

And let's put this whole thing to bed.... All of the above is true and now the print showed up and it is a BNE print... Nothing to do with Banksy (fact!)

[Deleted]

Just the facts Ma'am. Just the facts.

[Deleted]

It's all saved for posterity here which seems to confirm what is written above.

www.jacktwo.com/bne-collaborative-t-shirt-not-banksy/


for the optimists there is BNE lip balm for social change.

www.fromtheshoeup.com/?p=1424

[Lroy]

On Instagram fans (sic) have the nerves that crack! Collab(' ( where ? ) or not, we understand them, lol! That means what to make expecting people like this ?! Almost 3 months , time to deposit the money in the Bank and earn interests. This is not fair and is indefensible ! Whatever the issue. Very very bad print, sorry, trip.
To answer to Thomas the man who wrote : " It's a fact Banksy said he never had anything to do with it." ,
As for the Tee, he could say even if the # was before #not, via Jo Brooks or SAN, that there was really no collab at all...
Well, maybe he does not care anyway, and we understand him...

[mitboi]

the whole thing is fraud..

[randomname]

I almost never understand dodcoquelicot, but I almost always agree with him.

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Dec 22, 2014 19:24:59 GMT 1 randomname said:

Dec 22, 2014 5:04:17 GMT 1 thomasmer said:

So much speculation, and very few facts.

I think you've got that backwards. There are plenty of facts to back up what little speculation is going around.

It's a fact he sold Faile, Obey and Invader shirts as "limited editions."

It's a fact Faile suspected he oversold their shirt and asked him to include COAs.

It's a fact he agreed to include them and then didn't.

It's a fact Faile said they would never partner with anyone else on charity work again and would only do charity work themselves.

It's a fact BNE claimed he was doing a shirt with Banksy.

It's a fact he sold hundreds of shirts at $100 a pop.

It's a fact Banksy said he never had anything to do with it.

It's a fact BNE said he was scammed in a series of bizarre and contradictory claims.

It's a fact BNE said he would partner with another artist and give all the money to charity.

It's a fact he never partnered with another artist.

It's a fact he ultimately didn't give the money to charity.

Based on all of those facts, myself and quite a few others have speculated that BNE is a lying piece of s**t and has lined his own pockets in the name of charity. Come to think of it, that last bit isn't so much speculation as it is fact.

Not arguing but this is wrong.


"It's a fact Banksy said he never had anything to do with it."

he said the T-shirt was not his, and never mentioned a history of anything. 

But regardless, I feel bad for anyone who bought his print. he dug a big hole here... 

[Deleted]

I don't get the attraction for someone who just slaps stickers with the letters BNE on everything?

Is it some kind of underground philosophy at work?

There again, I've seen worse shit in the Tate Modern and Turder prize.

[Deleted]

Dec 22, 2014 20:59:53 GMT 1 @elviswarhol said:

I don't get the attraction for someone who just slaps stickers with the letters BNE on everything?

Is it some kind of underground philosophy at work?

There again, I've seen worse s**t in the Tate Modern and Turder prize.

Thats just silly mate ... forget his stickers (Which are EVERYWHERE btw) for a moment. And let's forget his latest actions also.... Just for half a minute!

#forget_mode_on

BNE is one of the biggest 'rollers' i know.... And he painted spots where no one could even get to... Let alone paint... 

#forget_mode_off

Now let's get back to his silly action with his t-shirts and print....

[randomname]

Dec 22, 2014 20:14:27 GMT 1 @hxfour said:

Dec 22, 2014 19:24:59 GMT 1 randomname said:

I think you've got that backwards. There are plenty of facts to back up what little speculation is going around.

It's a fact he sold Faile, Obey and Invader shirts as "limited editions."

It's a fact Faile suspected he oversold their shirt and asked him to include COAs.

It's a fact he agreed to include them and then didn't.

It's a fact Faile said they would never partner with anyone else on charity work again and would only do charity work themselves.

It's a fact BNE claimed he was doing a shirt with Banksy.

It's a fact he sold hundreds of shirts at $100 a pop.

It's a fact Banksy said he never had anything to do with it.

It's a fact BNE said he was scammed in a series of bizarre and contradictory claims.

It's a fact BNE said he would partner with another artist and give all the money to charity.

It's a fact he never partnered with another artist.

It's a fact he ultimately didn't give the money to charity.

Based on all of those facts, myself and quite a few others have speculated that BNE is a lying piece of s**t and has lined his own pockets in the name of charity. Come to think of it, that last bit isn't so much speculation as it is fact.

Not arguing but this is wrong.


"It's a fact Banksy said he never had anything to do with it."

he said the T-shirt was not his, and never mentioned a history of anything. 

But regardless, I feel bad for anyone who bought his print. he dug a big hole here... 

I was paraphrasing, of course. His exact words were, "Banksy has not made any t-shirts for a water charity."

I interpret that to mean he didn't have anything to do with it. The only other possible interpretation I can think of (that a handful of people actually made) is that Banksy did have something to do with it and this was part of an elaborate hoax to reward people who cared more about giving to a charity than about getting a Banksy shirt.

Even if you thought that was the case at some point, I think it's fairly obvious by now that Banksy never had anything to do with it.

[yoyosh]

Sorry mates I've been out of the loop on this for a couple months and don't care nearly enough to go thru this entire thread...did people get a print after all? Are there pix?

[Deleted]

Dec 22, 2014 23:39:39 GMT 1 yoyosh said:

Sorry mates I've been out of the loop on this for a couple months and don't care nearly enough to go thru this entire thread...did people get a print after all? Are there pix?

Yes and yes... I have seen pictures of the actual print, but i think it is only fair if the owner of the print posts them in this thread. If he/she wants to.......


Image on the print, signed by BNE

[.dappy]

... OMG ... this really is the image used on the print and signed and dated by BNE ... really worth $500 - I am not so sure  ... what about those poor bastaπds that 'may' have paid $6000. 

[FЯ]

Dec 23, 2014 0:08:17 GMT 1 .dappy said:

... OMG ... this really is the image used on the print and signed and dated by BNE ... really worth $500 - I am not so sure  ... what about those poor bastaπds that 'may' have paid $5000 

What gave people the idea that the image shown was not the print.
as soon as i saw it it was clear it was print. Its fugging awful.
rip off con artist.

[behaviorist]

no surprises here. it was the print all along; what's surprising to me is that people are surprised. i do feel bad for all parties involved, including BNE to be honest. this all seems so daft, and i'm equally taken by how many people went along with this, even after tee shirt shenanigans.

[behaviorist]

An interesting thing to consider: The "banksy" tee was an (inferior) up-sell on the faile/invader/obey tees. This print was an inferior up-sell on the xbanksy tee. what's next? I'm guessing the allure of something even better, but that goes nowhere. I'm pretty sure sales books have been written about this, but BNE likely hasn't read them. He has an amazingly intuitive grasp of the fundamentals of social influence - see, for example, the foot in the door technique.

[behaviorist]

Dec 23, 2014 0:46:18 GMT 1 @ling said:

instagram.com/orrdesigns/

Picture of the print.

wow. i'm at a loss. it's...even worse in the flesh.