thisisanton
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Art above a Radiator ?, by thisisanton on May 30, 2013 4:45:05 GMT 1, I am not sure about all plexiglass, but I used Optium Museum Acrylic for my Banksy. From the web site: blocks 99% of UV light and less than 1.6% of light reflection. It was really expensive, so I won't be using that for everything I buy. If anyone knows of a cheaper plexi let me know.
I am not sure about all plexiglass, but I used Optium Museum Acrylic for my Banksy. From the web site: blocks 99% of UV light and less than 1.6% of light reflection. It was really expensive, so I won't be using that for everything I buy. If anyone knows of a cheaper plexi let me know.
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kultur
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Art above a Radiator ?, by kultur on May 30, 2013 5:02:01 GMT 1, There is very little visual difference between glass and plexi. Something just has to break once and you will make sure that everything else is in plexi. Also, living in an earthquake zone... almost every piece I have is in UV plexi or regular plexi. I mostly order my UV plexi from www.acrylite-shop.com/US/us/uv-filtering-op2-op3-1lyipurve89/acrylite-framing-grade-colorless-0b000-gt-op-3-id3xrzaoivi~p.html. Just tell them the size and they ship it to you. Even with tax and shipping it is about the price you would pay at a framer for regular glass.
Not necessary humor, but interesting Do they offer UV protection and reflection free versions of plexi glasses? I personally like glass frames. A painting should never fall. It should be hanged properly
There is very little visual difference between glass and plexi. Something just has to break once and you will make sure that everything else is in plexi. Also, living in an earthquake zone... almost every piece I have is in UV plexi or regular plexi. I mostly order my UV plexi from www.acrylite-shop.com/US/us/uv-filtering-op2-op3-1lyipurve89/acrylite-framing-grade-colorless-0b000-gt-op-3-id3xrzaoivi~p.html. Just tell them the size and they ship it to you. Even with tax and shipping it is about the price you would pay at a framer for regular glass. Not necessary humor, but interesting Do they offer UV protection and reflection free versions of plexi glasses? I personally like glass frames. A painting should never fall. It should be hanged properly
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gravity1
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Art above a Radiator ?, by gravity1 on May 30, 2013 5:33:47 GMT 1, agree 100%... really no reason to not use UV plexi other than saving a few $ยฃ
There is very little visual difference between glass and plexi. Something just has to break once and you will make sure that everything else is in plexi. Also, living in an earthquake zone... almost every piece I have is in UV plexi or regular plexi. I mostly order my UV plexi from www.acrylite-shop.com/US/us/uv-filtering-op2-op3-1lyipurve89/acrylite-framing-grade-colorless-0b000-gt-op-3-id3xrzaoivi~p.html. Just tell them the size and they ship it to you. Even with tax and shipping it is about the price you would pay at a framer for regular glass. Not necessary humor, but interesting Do they offer UV protection and reflection free versions of plexi glasses? I personally like glass frames. A painting should never fall. It should be hanged properly
agree 100%... really no reason to not use UV plexi other than saving a few $ยฃ There is very little visual difference between glass and plexi. Something just has to break once and you will make sure that everything else is in plexi. Also, living in an earthquake zone... almost every piece I have is in UV plexi or regular plexi. I mostly order my UV plexi from www.acrylite-shop.com/US/us/uv-filtering-op2-op3-1lyipurve89/acrylite-framing-grade-colorless-0b000-gt-op-3-id3xrzaoivi~p.html. Just tell them the size and they ship it to you. Even with tax and shipping it is about the price you would pay at a framer for regular glass. Not necessary humor, but interesting Do they offer UV protection and reflection free versions of plexi glasses? I personally like glass frames. A painting should never fall. It should be hanged properly
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woomas
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Art above a Radiator ?, by woomas on May 30, 2013 10:34:52 GMT 1, Yes, you can imagine my mirth when my girlfriend sent the photos showing me what had happened. We had a right laugh I can tell you....
schadenfreude?
Yes, you can imagine my mirth when my girlfriend sent the photos showing me what had happened. We had a right laugh I can tell you....
schadenfreude?
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kel
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Art above a Radiator ?, by kel on May 30, 2013 11:27:32 GMT 1, Woomas feel your pain. Is this not covered on your household insurance.
Woomas feel your pain. Is this not covered on your household insurance.
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sfinks
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Art above a Radiator ?, by sfinks on May 30, 2013 11:38:08 GMT 1, living in an earthquake zone... Ah, didnt even think of that. And children can be an "earthquake" too. Ive seen some screw them to the wall. That that might be a bit "harsh" again.
I cant bother to read the whole tread again hehe, but how did it go with the Applause print inside the frame? Thats the biggest consern i would think.
living in an earthquake zone... Ah, didnt even think of that. And children can be an "earthquake" too. Ive seen some screw them to the wall. That that might be a bit "harsh" again. I cant bother to read the whole tread again hehe, but how did it go with the Applause print inside the frame? Thats the biggest consern i would think.
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Warm Gun
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Art above a Radiator ?, by Warm Gun on Jul 22, 2013 11:53:50 GMT 1, I've got a few covers dotted around the place, they certainly don't let much heat out from the top of the cover. Saying that I haven't the balls to hang any prints above them as I'm worried about the humidity.
I've got a few covers dotted around the place, they certainly don't let much heat out from the top of the cover. Saying that I haven't the balls to hang any prints above them as I'm worried about the humidity.
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robertjones
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Art above a Radiator ?, by robertjones on Feb 24, 2014 9:55:23 GMT 1, Is this ok or will it damage the image in any way ?
Any advice much appreciated
Is this ok or will it damage the image in any way ?
Any advice much appreciated
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Trevorm
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Art above a Radiator ?, by Trevorm on Feb 24, 2014 10:12:03 GMT 1, I wouldn't risk it, personally.
I sold a framed Flag to a mate at work about 4 years ago and he's got it on the wall above a radiator in his office at home. It was flat when I let it go but I've just seen a pic of it and it has rippled quite a bit. Probably something to do with the chromalux (?) paper the print's on and a result of the changing extremes of hot/cold
I wouldn't risk it, personally.
I sold a framed Flag to a mate at work about 4 years ago and he's got it on the wall above a radiator in his office at home. It was flat when I let it go but I've just seen a pic of it and it has rippled quite a bit. Probably something to do with the chromalux (?) paper the print's on and a result of the changing extremes of hot/cold
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Art above a Radiator ?, by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 10:14:34 GMT 1, Best not to, the difference in temperature when the heatings on and off will cause the print to contract and expand, works on paper need a little extra attention.
Best not to, the difference in temperature when the heatings on and off will cause the print to contract and expand, works on paper need a little extra attention.
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robertjones
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Art above a Radiator ?, by robertjones on Feb 24, 2014 10:29:31 GMT 1,
I wouldn't risk it, personally. I sold a framed Flag to a mate at work about 4 years ago and he's got it on the wall above a radiator in his office at home. It was flat when I let it go but I've just seen a pic of it and it has rippled quite a bit. Probably something to do with the chromalux (?) paper the print's on and a result of the changing extremes of hot/cold
Best not to, the difference in temperature when the heatings on and off will cause the print to contract and expand, works on paper need a little extra attention.
Thanks for the help that's what I was think you have just clarified things for me.
And have you put your names down for my first print give away ?
Thanks Rob
I wouldn't risk it, personally. I sold a framed Flag to a mate at work about 4 years ago and he's got it on the wall above a radiator in his office at home. It was flat when I let it go but I've just seen a pic of it and it has rippled quite a bit. Probably something to do with the chromalux (?) paper the print's on and a result of the changing extremes of hot/cold Best not to, the difference in temperature when the heatings on and off will cause the print to contract and expand, works on paper need a little extra attention. Thanks for the help that's what I was think you have just clarified things for me. And have you put your names down for my first print give away ? Thanks Rob
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Art above a Radiator ?, by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 10:35:18 GMT 1, Hi Rob, I appreciate the offer but as a gallery I stay away from the free give aways, I don't think it would go down well, but I'll keep an eye on your work and maybe someday one will jump out and I'll buy one Ps:- the print looks great by the way
Hi Rob, I appreciate the offer but as a gallery I stay away from the free give aways, I don't think it would go down well, but I'll keep an eye on your work and maybe someday one will jump out and I'll buy one Ps:- the print looks great by the way
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Cornish Crayon
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Art above a Radiator ?, by Cornish Crayon on Mar 2, 2014 13:42:44 GMT 1, I wouldn't as a rule, but I have got the big issue stiks framed and above radiator in the bedroom as the area is too big to leave as a an empty wall.........
I wouldn't as a rule, but I have got the big issue stiks framed and above radiator in the bedroom as the area is too big to leave as a an empty wall.........
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Hubble Bubble
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Art above a Radiator ?, by Hubble Bubble on Mar 2, 2014 14:01:07 GMT 1, Radiator schmadiatorโฆ get em up...
Radiator schmadiatorโฆ get em up...
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iamzero
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Art above a Radiator ?, by iamzero on Mar 2, 2014 14:23:11 GMT 1, I have a large Peter Blake hanging above a radiator with no problems dude.
I have a large Peter Blake hanging above a radiator with no problems dude.
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Art above a Radiator ?, by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 20:54:01 GMT 1, Just switch the rad offโฆ
Wall space is at a premium in this cold house!
Just switch the rad offโฆ
Wall space is at a premium in this cold house!
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Art above a Radiator ?, by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 21:39:36 GMT 1, Think it depends on the print as Cornish mentioned. I'd be happy with Stik big Issue prints above a rad. But not a Stik print edition.
Think it depends on the print as Cornish mentioned. I'd be happy with Stik big Issue prints above a rad. But not a Stik print edition.
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Lesson1
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Art above a Radiator ?, by Lesson1 on Mar 2, 2014 23:07:34 GMT 1, I've had a print above a radiator for over a year with no issue to print or frame. It is half a meter above though. Woulnt hang anything to expensive there.
I've had a print above a radiator for over a year with no issue to print or frame. It is half a meter above though. Woulnt hang anything to expensive there.
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shin
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Art above a Radiator ?, by shin on Oct 11, 2017 17:55:42 GMT 1, Hi all,
Relatively new to collecting and I currently have a piece at the framers and I've earmarked a wall for it; however there will be a radiator below the print. What is the best way to ensure the print stays in the same condition it was put in the frame? There's going to be heat going in the general direction.
What sort of impact could it have? Is it better for me to find another place?
Thanks in advance.
Shin
Hi all,
Relatively new to collecting and I currently have a piece at the framers and I've earmarked a wall for it; however there will be a radiator below the print. What is the best way to ensure the print stays in the same condition it was put in the frame? There's going to be heat going in the general direction.
What sort of impact could it have? Is it better for me to find another place?
Thanks in advance.
Shin
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met
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Art above a Radiator ?, by met on Oct 12, 2017 19:55:42 GMT 1, Hi all, Relatively new to collecting and I currently have a piece at the framers and I've earmarked a wall for it; however there will be a radiator below the print. What is the best way to ensure the print stays in the same condition it was put in the frame? There's going to be heat going in the general direction. What sort of impact could it have? Is it better for me to find another place? Thanks in advance. Shin
Hanging a print over a radiator would be an imbecilic thing to do. I strongly advise finding another location.
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This case illustrates how each of us is at a different stage along our path as collectors.
The answers to your questions were so obvious to me that, at first, I thought you were joking. It seemed comparable to asking whether it's acceptable to hang a rare print in direct sunlight, or if any problems could arise by using non-archival materials and methods when framing.
That said, whenever tempted to scoff at ignorance, I try to remind myself of my own former cluelessness. Matters like these only appear self-evident after being drummed into our heads for years. When you're new to collecting and haven't yet learned, they are often anything but obvious.
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Back to your question:
Every work on paper deteriorates over time. However, rates of deterioration will differ depending on the actual paper and specific medium, along with its handling, storage, framing, and the environment in which it's kept. Control can be exercised over some of these things, allowing you to significantly slow down deterioration โ thereby helping to preserve the art and prolong your enjoyment.
Regarding environmental factors, besides light, the ones to focus on are temperature and relative humidity. Atmospheric pollutants and pests cause problems as well, but for most private collectors they'll be less of an issue.
Both heat and humidity can be very damaging. They'll speed up chemical reactions that lead to the acidic degradation of paper. It can result in brittleness and discolouration. [This is the reason paper conservationists will consider you an idiot if you try to flatten creases in your prints by ironing them.]
Hang framed works on inside walls, away from direct sources of heat like radiators (convection currents created by a radiator also attract and concentrate dirt). In addition, avoid marked fluctuations in temperature and humidity. Cycles of expansion and contraction may lead to buckling of the paper, and affect the media, e.g. by slowly causing layers of pigment to crack or flake.
Although a degree of compromise is always necessary when art is kept in one's home, works on paper should ideally be stored or displayed in a cool, dry, stable environment.
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Crucially, I'd encourage you to be independent by also doing your own research. Make the most of Google. Using search terms like "works of art on paper", "care", "conservation", and even "radiator", you'd have quickly found your answers.
As with any subject, be wary of relying on single sources of information, including this forum. Here are a few sites from different countries to set you on your way:
www.canada.ca/en/conservation-institute/services/care-objects/paper-books-photographs/basic-care-art-paper.html
nga.gov.au/conservation/prevention/paper.cfm
www.conservation-us.org/about-conservation/caring-for-your-treasures/paper#.Wd52xZMrI0p
www.moma.org/explore/collection/conservation/faq
Good luck.
Hi all, Relatively new to collecting and I currently have a piece at the framers and I've earmarked a wall for it; however there will be a radiator below the print. What is the best way to ensure the print stays in the same condition it was put in the frame? There's going to be heat going in the general direction. What sort of impact could it have? Is it better for me to find another place? Thanks in advance. Shin Hanging a print over a radiator would be an imbecilic thing to do. I strongly advise finding another location. _________ This case illustrates how each of us is at a different stage along our path as collectors. The answers to your questions were so obvious to me that, at first, I thought you were joking. It seemed comparable to asking whether it's acceptable to hang a rare print in direct sunlight, or if any problems could arise by using non-archival materials and methods when framing. That said, whenever tempted to scoff at ignorance, I try to remind myself of my own former cluelessness. Matters like these only appear self-evident after being drummed into our heads for years. When you're new to collecting and haven't yet learned, they are often anything but obvious. _________ Back to your question: Every work on paper deteriorates over time. However, rates of deterioration will differ depending on the actual paper and specific medium, along with its handling, storage, framing, and the environment in which it's kept. Control can be exercised over some of these things, allowing you to significantly slow down deterioration โ thereby helping to preserve the art and prolong your enjoyment. Regarding environmental factors, besides light, the ones to focus on are temperature and relative humidity. Atmospheric pollutants and pests cause problems as well, but for most private collectors they'll be less of an issue. Both heat and humidity can be very damaging. They'll speed up chemical reactions that lead to the acidic degradation of paper. It can result in brittleness and discolouration. [This is the reason paper conservationists will consider you an idiot if you try to flatten creases in your prints by ironing them.] Hang framed works on inside walls, away from direct sources of heat like radiators (convection currents created by a radiator also attract and concentrate dirt). In addition, avoid marked fluctuations in temperature and humidity. Cycles of expansion and contraction may lead to buckling of the paper, and affect the media, e.g. by slowly causing layers of pigment to crack or flake. Although a degree of compromise is always necessary when art is kept in one's home, works on paper should ideally be stored or displayed in a cool, dry, stable environment. _________ Crucially, I'd encourage you to be independent by also doing your own research. Make the most of Google. Using search terms like "works of art on paper", "care", "conservation", and even "radiator", you'd have quickly found your answers. As with any subject, be wary of relying on single sources of information, including this forum. Here are a few sites from different countries to set you on your way: www.canada.ca/en/conservation-institute/services/care-objects/paper-books-photographs/basic-care-art-paper.htmlnga.gov.au/conservation/prevention/paper.cfmwww.conservation-us.org/about-conservation/caring-for-your-treasures/paper#.Wd52xZMrI0pwww.moma.org/explore/collection/conservation/faqGood luck.
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Quinnster
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Art above a Radiator ?, by Quinnster on Oct 15, 2017 10:24:01 GMT 1, Iv got 2 Banksys over a radiator, itโs not ideal but on the upside this wall gets zero sunlight.
Iv got 2 Banksys over a radiator, itโs not ideal but on the upside this wall gets zero sunlight.
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