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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by Warm Gun on Jul 1, 2013 22:38:21 GMT 1, Is the OP fishing for a sale?
Is the OP fishing for a sale?
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by peppus on Jul 1, 2013 22:48:25 GMT 1, Hey guys, ... some of you said they smelled rats and stuff like that, others ask for pics. 1) Belive me, there's no rat here, the story is really simple and true.
Someone offered me an artwork saying it’s an original Banksy. They also told me some things to make me belive that. The only thing i could do was to send emails to PC, exlaining them the situation, with all the things i was told (also the names of the people who offered me the work) and pictures of the work. … Then i was asking here how they (PC) usually act in front of situations like this, … if they usually answer etc. and, until now, i didn’t get a clear answer about this, but it seems that they could never answer. … This all situation made me think that the authentication process of Banksy works has some “bugs” … for ex. , the fact that they don’t answer to someone asking informations about a work he’s been offered, … so where’s the “protection” against fraud they talk about on their site? …
2) About showing the pictures here, i can not do it for many reasons, this situation still has too many unclear aspects. Please, try to understand. I thank you all anyway for your help. Thank you again, really.
I wish PC is gonna answer, so that i can think that i was wrong about them, i really wish that. In case this miracle should happen, i also want to tell you all, clearly, that it is my intention to buy the work and to keep it, i would not be interested in selling it. … So that, once for all, anybody can be sure that no scam is going on here.
Thank you very much again to you all.
Hey guys, ... some of you said they smelled rats and stuff like that, others ask for pics. 1) Belive me, there's no rat here, the story is really simple and true.
Someone offered me an artwork saying it’s an original Banksy. They also told me some things to make me belive that. The only thing i could do was to send emails to PC, exlaining them the situation, with all the things i was told (also the names of the people who offered me the work) and pictures of the work. … Then i was asking here how they (PC) usually act in front of situations like this, … if they usually answer etc. and, until now, i didn’t get a clear answer about this, but it seems that they could never answer. … This all situation made me think that the authentication process of Banksy works has some “bugs” … for ex. , the fact that they don’t answer to someone asking informations about a work he’s been offered, … so where’s the “protection” against fraud they talk about on their site? …
2) About showing the pictures here, i can not do it for many reasons, this situation still has too many unclear aspects. Please, try to understand. I thank you all anyway for your help. Thank you again, really.
I wish PC is gonna answer, so that i can think that i was wrong about them, i really wish that. In case this miracle should happen, i also want to tell you all, clearly, that it is my intention to buy the work and to keep it, i would not be interested in selling it. … So that, once for all, anybody can be sure that no scam is going on here.
Thank you very much again to you all.
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by love on Jul 1, 2013 22:52:21 GMT 1, The original owners could claim a CoA at PC, so every problem is solved. You could buy a original Banksy with a CoA in hand.
I would never buy a original Banksy without a CoA, price doesn't matter...
And what are the unclear aspects you are talking about,... sounds fishy.
The original owners could claim a CoA at PC, so every problem is solved. You could buy a original Banksy with a CoA in hand.
I would never buy a original Banksy without a CoA, price doesn't matter...
And what are the unclear aspects you are talking about,... sounds fishy.
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by peppus on Jul 1, 2013 23:15:03 GMT 1, The fact is the original owners don't want to and can not claim the CoA right now, for reasons they explained me but that i can not say here (nothing so “bad” or illegal , just their business) .
The only thing i could do was to contact PC and ask informations about the painting “before” i buy it.
I think the problem is all here: to have some secure informations about the painting without being already the owner of it. If this will be possible, and PC will answer to my emails. everything is gonna be fine. …
Once again, in case this miracle happens, i would keep the work, it’s really not my intention to sell it.
The fact is the original owners don't want to and can not claim the CoA right now, for reasons they explained me but that i can not say here (nothing so “bad” or illegal , just their business) .
The only thing i could do was to contact PC and ask informations about the painting “before” i buy it.
I think the problem is all here: to have some secure informations about the painting without being already the owner of it. If this will be possible, and PC will answer to my emails. everything is gonna be fine. …
Once again, in case this miracle happens, i would keep the work, it’s really not my intention to sell it.
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by Warm Gun on Jul 1, 2013 23:22:33 GMT 1, If it's an original artwork then the likelihood would be that they'd want to personally examine it before issuing any COA. I can't see why they would only issue a coa to the original owner unless it was a gift piece to them, in their name (they only seem to issue coa's for the original gift recipient). If it was a street piece then I don't think you'll ever get a COA. I'd imagine that you'd need some kind of provenance to back up your claim whatever the case. Either way it is unfortunately in their hands.
If it's an original artwork then the likelihood would be that they'd want to personally examine it before issuing any COA. I can't see why they would only issue a coa to the original owner unless it was a gift piece to them, in their name (they only seem to issue coa's for the original gift recipient). If it was a street piece then I don't think you'll ever get a COA. I'd imagine that you'd need some kind of provenance to back up your claim whatever the case. Either way it is unfortunately in their hands.
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by Warm Gun on Jul 1, 2013 23:28:36 GMT 1, There aren't many collectors that would invest in something that 'might' be a Banksy. It doesn't matter how good the accompanying story is, without a COA in hand it's a huge risk. If the original owners don't want to/can't apply for a COA then I'd personally avoid buying it.
A coa takes a bit of time to get and costs £65. (I guess a coa for an original is the same price as one for a print?) Is it really worth the risk to buy without?
There aren't many collectors that would invest in something that 'might' be a Banksy. It doesn't matter how good the accompanying story is, without a COA in hand it's a huge risk. If the original owners don't want to/can't apply for a COA then I'd personally avoid buying it.
A coa takes a bit of time to get and costs £65. (I guess a coa for an original is the same price as one for a print?) Is it really worth the risk to buy without?
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 7:47:58 GMT 1, There aren't many collectors that would invest in something that 'might' be a Banksy. It doesn't matter how good the accompanying story is, without a COA in hand it's a huge risk. If the original owners don't want to/can't apply for a COA then I'd personally avoid buying it. A coa takes a bit of time to get and costs £65. (I guess a coa for an original is the same price as one for a print?) Is it really worth the risk to buy without?
Secondly, it's now £66. £50 + vat + £6 delivery.
There aren't many collectors that would invest in something that 'might' be a Banksy. It doesn't matter how good the accompanying story is, without a COA in hand it's a huge risk. If the original owners don't want to/can't apply for a COA then I'd personally avoid buying it. A coa takes a bit of time to get and costs £65. (I guess a coa for an original is the same price as one for a print?) Is it really worth the risk to buy without? That buffoon on 'Four Rooms' bought a street piece with only a story; or at least that's the impression the tv show gave us. But it still remains a huge risk. Anyone can compile a story - give me a few quid and I'll give you some names to accompany it. Secondly, it's now £66. £50 + vat + £6 delivery. |
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by fingerz on Jul 2, 2013 10:31:05 GMT 1, this thread is radio rental
this thread is radio rental
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by Hubble Bubble on Jul 2, 2013 10:47:17 GMT 1, chicken oriental...
chicken oriental...
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by johnnyh on Jul 2, 2013 12:11:13 GMT 1, Just wondering if anyone can help?
Does any one know how long a piece of string is?
Just wondering if anyone can help?
Does any one know how long a piece of string is?
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by warsaw project on Jul 2, 2013 12:35:59 GMT 1, The fact is the original owners don't want to and can not claim the CoA right now, for reasons they explained me but that i can not say here (nothing so “bad” or illegal , just their business) . The only thing i could do was to contact PC and ask informations about the painting “before” i buy it. I think the problem is all here: to have some secure informations about the painting without being already the owner of it. If this will be possible, and PC will answer to my emails. everything is gonna be fine. … Once again, in case this miracle happens, i would keep the work, it’s really not my intention to sell it.
Unless you really like the piece id stay clear! I dont think Pest control can help/will help unless you send the piece to them and pay the fee so they can follow it up! Even with prints this is the case, unless you are original owner, have receipt, etc....
Good luck!
The fact is the original owners don't want to and can not claim the CoA right now, for reasons they explained me but that i can not say here (nothing so “bad” or illegal , just their business) . The only thing i could do was to contact PC and ask informations about the painting “before” i buy it. I think the problem is all here: to have some secure informations about the painting without being already the owner of it. If this will be possible, and PC will answer to my emails. everything is gonna be fine. … Once again, in case this miracle happens, i would keep the work, it’s really not my intention to sell it. I think you answer your own questions here mate! The fact they dont want to get a COA says it all.... Cant think of one valid reason (myself) why you would'nt want to get a COA before selling, will obvioulsy increase the return for the seller... Unless you really like the piece id stay clear! I dont think Pest control can help/will help unless you send the piece to them and pay the fee so they can follow it up! Even with prints this is the case, unless you are original owner, have receipt, etc.... Good luck! |
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by Goooogle Male on Jul 2, 2013 13:48:05 GMT 1, personally I think it is nonsense to say PC won't email you back until you are the owner of the work, and then they will sudddenly answer all your emails. They have a long track record of helping prospective buyers confirm registered owners and with other pre-sale info. I once contacted them about a signed unnumbered WSM that had a 'too good to be true story' (friend put on exhibition and was left it blah blah) - they advised it was not recognised as a gifted or authorised print and a COA would be unobtainable, so I was able to run a mile.
IMO they haven't replied because:
a) they haven't got round to it yet (this can take months sometimes)
b) it might be an image they recognise and they are sending pics onto their 'line manager' (who can be rather elusive at times)
c) its blatantly not a banksy and they can't be bothered to reply to every random timewasting email saying 'is this [bambi] a banksy'.
My 2p's worth on this rather odd thread is that you have been seduced by a story, but in the cold light of day that story doesn't stack up. The proximity of a street piece proves literally nothing at all. Ask yourself how their story would change if they had a stack of 20 of these 'banksy's' - it wouldn't. Their 'provenance' tells you no story about the canvas' authenticity whatsoever.
If this piece was 'real' and they were genuine owners, they would be pulling out all the stops to get themselves a PC COA and the canvas over to Christies themselves - they could well snag in excess of £100,000 for a genuine 'lost' early Banksy OG Canvas. Their story goes that they made friends with banksy, right? They'd defo be able to hit up PC with enough 'private' info about the guy and the canvas' origins to at least get them to ask Mr B the question.
If you buy this for a 'steal' at say, €10k (approx 1/10th market value of a COA'd piece), who on earth is EVER going to buy it off you, if one day you need to sell? Absolutely no-one - not an ebayer, a gallery and certainly not a buyer on here. You'll be paying someone a massive amount of money (sorry, 'a huge discount') for something that will cease to have any 'value' once you take ownership. And to me, that sound like a scam.
Oh, and coming on here with the naiviety that the seller isn't reading this thread too strikes me as odd. And the fact you won't post any pics, or even describe the image strikes me as very, very odd indeed.
personally I think it is nonsense to say PC won't email you back until you are the owner of the work, and then they will sudddenly answer all your emails. They have a long track record of helping prospective buyers confirm registered owners and with other pre-sale info. I once contacted them about a signed unnumbered WSM that had a 'too good to be true story' (friend put on exhibition and was left it blah blah) - they advised it was not recognised as a gifted or authorised print and a COA would be unobtainable, so I was able to run a mile.
IMO they haven't replied because:
a) they haven't got round to it yet (this can take months sometimes)
b) it might be an image they recognise and they are sending pics onto their 'line manager' (who can be rather elusive at times)
c) its blatantly not a banksy and they can't be bothered to reply to every random timewasting email saying 'is this [bambi] a banksy'.
My 2p's worth on this rather odd thread is that you have been seduced by a story, but in the cold light of day that story doesn't stack up. The proximity of a street piece proves literally nothing at all. Ask yourself how their story would change if they had a stack of 20 of these 'banksy's' - it wouldn't. Their 'provenance' tells you no story about the canvas' authenticity whatsoever.
If this piece was 'real' and they were genuine owners, they would be pulling out all the stops to get themselves a PC COA and the canvas over to Christies themselves - they could well snag in excess of £100,000 for a genuine 'lost' early Banksy OG Canvas. Their story goes that they made friends with banksy, right? They'd defo be able to hit up PC with enough 'private' info about the guy and the canvas' origins to at least get them to ask Mr B the question.
If you buy this for a 'steal' at say, €10k (approx 1/10th market value of a COA'd piece), who on earth is EVER going to buy it off you, if one day you need to sell? Absolutely no-one - not an ebayer, a gallery and certainly not a buyer on here. You'll be paying someone a massive amount of money (sorry, 'a huge discount') for something that will cease to have any 'value' once you take ownership. And to me, that sound like a scam.
Oh, and coming on here with the naiviety that the seller isn't reading this thread too strikes me as odd. And the fact you won't post any pics, or even describe the image strikes me as very, very odd indeed.
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by peppus on Jul 2, 2013 16:11:16 GMT 1, Hello gooooglemale,
I agree with many things you wrote. And i gotta thank you for some important informations you just gave me: first of all, that PC answers to “prospective” buyers. This was the most important thing i was asking on here and nobody told me that clearly. … I know I have been pretty “naive” asking some things … but i just didn’t know much about some things! Still, let me tell you that you come too easily to some conclusions about other aspects. For ex. when you say “the seller isn’t reading this thread” , you don’t consider that we are talking about some italian people and reality… which are really different from England.
Anyway, to say it clearly, i knew since i wrote on here, that there’s a possibility that all this story is about some people trying to make some money selling fake Banksys, but, as wrote in the beginning, there were some elements of truth that made me wanna check anyway. … So i contacted PC and wrote on here …
I will wait for an answer from PC … if that will arrive i’ll be happy, if not, i don’t think there’s anything else i can do.
Thank you all!
Hello gooooglemale,
I agree with many things you wrote. And i gotta thank you for some important informations you just gave me: first of all, that PC answers to “prospective” buyers. This was the most important thing i was asking on here and nobody told me that clearly. … I know I have been pretty “naive” asking some things … but i just didn’t know much about some things! Still, let me tell you that you come too easily to some conclusions about other aspects. For ex. when you say “the seller isn’t reading this thread” , you don’t consider that we are talking about some italian people and reality… which are really different from England.
Anyway, to say it clearly, i knew since i wrote on here, that there’s a possibility that all this story is about some people trying to make some money selling fake Banksys, but, as wrote in the beginning, there were some elements of truth that made me wanna check anyway. … So i contacted PC and wrote on here …
I will wait for an answer from PC … if that will arrive i’ll be happy, if not, i don’t think there’s anything else i can do.
Thank you all!
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by Trevorm on Jul 2, 2013 16:18:51 GMT 1, Good luck with it, anyway.
I still can't work out what sort of a wind up this is?
Good luck with it, anyway.
I still can't work out what sort of a wind up this is?
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by 10th Mountain on Jul 2, 2013 16:55:34 GMT 1, It has been entertaining though trying to work out the scam.
It has been entertaining though trying to work out the scam.
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by ilmambo on Jul 2, 2013 19:42:23 GMT 1, Posting a picture here will probably save you (and PC) time and hassle.
Posting a picture here will probably save you (and PC) time and hassle.
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by Deleted on Jul 2, 2013 22:44:50 GMT 1, So i took some pictures of the canvas
^^^^^^^ from your 1st post on this thread.
So i took some pictures of the canvas
^^^^^^^ from your 1st post on this thread.
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by .dappy on Jul 2, 2013 23:04:41 GMT 1,
Mikey ... I think you are being a bit unfair. He is getting ... 'Straight to the point' ... also seen within his first post.  
(Isn't this post really about the OP trying to dis PC and looking for someone to suggest an alternative to auth a work supposedly being held by a Sicilian mafia/someone who does not own a PC/to old to write/never heard of banksy (but a long time friend)/ type person? Or maybe bought a bambi works thinking it was banksy ... she was doing a gig in Italy last year and had some free time to daub a few walls ... Just my thoughts ...)
GL with the purchase.
Mikey ... I think you are being a bit unfair. He is getting ... 'Straight to the point' ... also seen within his first post. (Isn't this post really about the OP trying to dis PC and looking for someone to suggest an alternative to auth a work supposedly being held by a Sicilian mafia/someone who does not own a PC/to old to write/never heard of banksy (but a long time friend)/ type person? Or maybe bought a bambi works thinking it was banksy ... she was doing a gig in Italy last year and had some free time to daub a few walls ... Just my thoughts ...) GL with the purchase. |
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by craigf on Jul 3, 2013 9:10:59 GMT 1, There aren't many collectors that would invest in something that 'might' be a Banksy. It doesn't matter how good the accompanying story is, without a COA in hand it's a huge risk. If the original owners don't want to/can't apply for a COA then I'd personally avoid buying it. A coa takes a bit of time to get and costs £65. (I guess a coa for an original is the same price as one for a print?) Is it really worth the risk to buy without?
There aren't many collectors that would invest in something that 'might' be a Banksy. It doesn't matter how good the accompanying story is, without a COA in hand it's a huge risk. If the original owners don't want to/can't apply for a COA then I'd personally avoid buying it. A coa takes a bit of time to get and costs £65. (I guess a coa for an original is the same price as one for a print?) Is it really worth the risk to buy without? COA's for an original are £100 plus VAT, not sure why more, but I recently had my watchtower COA'ed and that's what I had to pay |
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by Warm Gun on Jul 3, 2013 16:35:12 GMT 1, There aren't many collectors that would invest in something that 'might' be a Banksy. It doesn't matter how good the accompanying story is, without a COA in hand it's a huge risk. If the original owners don't want to/can't apply for a COA then I'd personally avoid buying it. A coa takes a bit of time to get and costs £65. (I guess a coa for an original is the same price as one for a print?) Is it really worth the risk to buy without? COA's for an original are £100 plus VAT, not sure why more, but I recently had my watchtower COA'ed and that's what I had to pay
There aren't many collectors that would invest in something that 'might' be a Banksy. It doesn't matter how good the accompanying story is, without a COA in hand it's a huge risk. If the original owners don't want to/can't apply for a COA then I'd personally avoid buying it. A coa takes a bit of time to get and costs £65. (I guess a coa for an original is the same price as one for a print?) Is it really worth the risk to buy without? COA's for an original are £100 plus VAT, not sure why more, but I recently had my watchtower COA'ed and that's what I had to pay Didn't know that, cheers. |
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by t3c on Jul 3, 2013 19:31:15 GMT 1, pics or it didn't happen
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 18:23:18 GMT 1, Got your pics yet peppus?. If its same one i was sent forget it mate,its no Banksy.
Got your pics yet peppus?. If its same one i was sent forget it mate,its no Banksy.
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HOW TO SAY A BANKSY IS AUTHENTIC BEFORE BUYING IT, by Shoot Again on Jul 5, 2013 20:21:27 GMT 1, Sounds pretty clear we won't see any picture of it here... off my Bookmarks ! ;-)
Sounds pretty clear we won't see any picture of it here... off my Bookmarks ! ;-)
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