[wazandy]

I think we all agree that the people on this board genuinely love Banksy's work. Most of us have got prints, rare or otherwise, and it would be safe to say that most of us are collecting them simply because they're wonderful - not for instant sale.

Unfortunately I have a mate in the UK (I'm in AUS) who's heard from reliable sources that the ticket touts who make getting into concerts a nightmare have finally cottoned on to the Banksy 'get rich quick' capability.

We all saw how much 'morons' went up in value after only a few months.

My biggest fear is is a total bombardment of POW on release, only to find those prints within hours on ebay.

There MUST be some way that a fixed number of prints can be allocated to genuine collectors, people who simply want to hang these things.

God knows how it could be arranged, but I've had too many ebay conversations with genuinely aggressive print owners who bought them simply to sell them for an instant profit.

I know it's free trade, I know sometimes we have to sell a beloved print for mortgage reasons / new car - you know the score.

I just can't help feeling that Banksy / POW's generosity in releasing signed prints for six hundred quid is being totally hijacked by these bastards, and people who've followed his work for years (I bought my first six years ago) simply can't get a look in.

Sorry, just ranting.

Besides, by the time I get up in Sydney the POW releases will all have gone anyway.

Bummer eh?

[howlinhooker]

reliable sources that the ticket touts who make getting into concerts a nightmare have finally cottoned on to the Banksy 'get rich quick' capability. = YES WAITING FOR A MICALLEF PRINT AT LAZ RECENTLY I FELT I WAS WITH A LOAD OF TICKET TOUTS , CAN SPOT UM A MILE OFF , BUT THERES NOTHING WE CAN DO MONEYS MONEY , REMEMBER THE GOOD OLD DAYS YOU COULD HAVE WEEEKS/MONTHS TO CHOOSE YOUR PRINTS FROM POW !!!

[johnas]

wazandy said:

There MUST be some way that a fixed number of prints can be allocated to genuine collectors, people who simply want to hang these things.

funny handshakes perhaps?

the truth is, it's impossible for artists/print houses and/or galleries to tell a flipper from a true collector.

perhaps the question should be "how can you stop the flipping?" If the outlet for flipped prints was quashed i.e. ebay, then it would be a lot harder to easily flip prints, but in all honesty, is that really in our interests?

[bristolmassive]

wazandy said:

Besides, by the time I get up in Sydney the POW releases will all have gone anyway.

Actually last time you'd of been fine as most were released at midnight onwards when we were all sleeping!!

[plymman]

I reckon POW should just release it in dribs and drabs over a period of a few weeks, 10 one day, 20 a few days later etc... then it's more luck of the draw (rather than quickest off the blocks) and those folks that check the sites religiously (POW, SOS etc...) will have more chance of picking one up.

Thats what I think anyway............

[jellya]

plymman said:

I reckon POW should just release it in dribs and drabs over a period of a few weeks, 10 one day, 20 a few days later etc... then it's more luck of the draw (rather than quickest off the blocks) and those folks that check the sites religiously (POW, SOS etc...) will have more chance of picking one up.

Thats what I think anyway............

Or would this prolong the agony .. and the chaos?? Dunno?

[plymman]

Maybe, but would stop the flippers, who would buy on Ebay at inflated prices when there were theoretically still hundreds to be released by POW over the coming weeks/months?

[scavos]

It's all about the f5!!
Hey wazandy - cheers for your post; I feel your pain.
It may seem defeatest but I'm resigned to the fact that there really is little to be done about the bun fight other than to try your level best to be in it.

If possible, try enjoying that f5 action and maybe consider trying new ways of hitting that little key. I got lucky with some 'next day combined nose and toe f5 action' with the latest Micallef release as they popped up.

Whilst I'm not claiming there's a link to my success and my chosen form of said f5 action it does seem to be a remarkable coincidence. I'd previously plumbed for the 'straight index finger form of f5 attack' with Banksy and Micallef without success.

For obvious reasons I will not divuldge the details of my next form of assault but I'm in discussion with Microsoft consultants, Mr Dyson, Ben & Jerry (of ice-cream fame), a mental health specialist and an electric toothbrush.

Although they haven't got back to me yet, I am confident that between us as a 'team' we can at least stand as much chance as anyone else in bagging me a Banksy badboy. As long as I wake up in time, have my computer on, am not working/socialising/making sweet and gentle love and can get into the desired combat position. Like a well oiled machine. Does anyone know if talcum powder helps stop night vision goggles from chaffing?

On a more lighthearted note I'd perhaps get a mate over here in Blighty who would be kind enough to call you if he/she hears anything. What the hey - the sun's shining out there now that fog has cleared - drop me a pm wazandy with your oz landline and I'll bell you when I hear anything. Don't ask me to share my latest f5 action plan though cos that's just for me and the 'team' to know....innit.

[arcam]

I prefer the good old refresh button on the browser myself. ;D

[sham69]

Scavos.
That post was quality.

F5 it is.

[arcam]

You always get an army of trained F5 monkeys. ;D

[scavos]

I can add that 'our' plan can and quite literally possibly will incorporate the Refresh and indeed mac. R keys too. No monkeys will be hurt during the making of this thread. There, I've already said too much.

[Mobu]

nothing we can do guys but pray that we are somewhere near the computer when they get released... POW is a business and don't probably care who buys it, whether they are flippers or collectors. This is the just the way it is, the sooner everyone realizes this, the better...

I am a collector myself, but flippers dont really bother me so much anymore... as long as I get the print I love, that is all that matters.

[Curley]

moritzbuesch said:

nothing we can do guys but pray that we are somewhere near the computer when they get released... POW is a business and don't probably care who buys it, whether they are flippers or collectors. This is the just the way it is, the sooner everyone realizes this, the better...

I am a collector myself, but flippers dont really bother me so much anymore... as long as I get the print I love, that is all that matters.

correct me if i am wrong i thought you already had one of these and sold it.....

[funster]

I really can't see why they can't release loads of them. Like Moritz says POW are a business, but surely it's good business sense to make more??-

Number Produced = 300
Price = £400
Total Income = £120,000
Production Cost = £6000 (£20 per print (I could be way out))
Total Profit = £114,000

But if production numbers differed:

Number Produced = 1500
Price = £200
Total Income = £300,000
Production Cost = £30,000 (£20 per print (I could be way out))
Total Profit = £270,000

;D

[arcam]

How about a drinking bird ala Homer Simpson style? ;D

[thwaites]

they can't really print loads of the black and white trollies as there is already a set edition number...

But they could/probably would do a coloured version as well

[Curley]

arcam said:

How about a drinking bird ala Homer Simpson style? ;D

That still cracks me up when i see it. ;D

[arcam]

curley said:

arcam said:

How about a drinking bird ala Homer Simpson style? ;D

That still cracks me up when i see it. ;D

Best episode ever. ;D

www.jibjab.com/player/main.swf?jid=162791

[arcam]

[®at]

[holden]

In Sydney too and really enjoyed staying up for the last Faile release!!
They did however give plenty of warning re the day and time but not sure that that was a good thing considering what happened and the chaos of over purchase.
Good luck, lets hope its kind to us downunder

[gilbaron]

perhaps we need a good old fashioned phone tree. Used to do it for parties in high school, everyone lists their numbers, if anyone gets wind of the onsale call 3-5 people on the list while the f5 refresh goes through, and they do the same and so on down the tree, at least it increases our collective chances at success. I'd rather lose the bun fight to a real fan from the forum than some chucklehead out to make a quick $$$.

gil

[manty]

The good bit about this thread is that 2 people in Oz know about this kind of Art :-)

I will not be alone, I might be on the other side of the country, but not alone

I might open a gallery in Perth, but need a few 100 signed banksys on consignment stock ( you dont get paid until they sell) PM me if your interested ;-)

[robo]

Talcum powder and a wooden splint on the finger? Heavy drinkning and smoking the night before to indroduce F5 hitting jitters?

[Mobu]

I noticed that the POW print is slightly different than the LA one. I know its obvious about paper, blah blah, but I noticed that the hunter on the far right, has a little tommahawk in his hand. In the LA version he just has a knife like object.. maybe I am wrong but that is what I noticed. I must say I prefer the Tommahawk.
Mo

[veralynn]

Lets assume there's 600 prints available? Auction them, simple. It would stop the flippers, baggers, investors whatever you like to call them/us. It might mean true 'fans' can no longer afford it but if you're a true fan the probablity is you've already got some work. I can't have my family portraits done by Mario Testino so I have to make do with a bloke who knows a bloke....I dont think raffle is the way forward either.

[RBK]

I haven't read any of the posts here - except the title of the thread....

And the answer is "PRAY!"

[goodbyekitty]

I think (as everyone is saying!) it's a really difficult one.
I've only been buying pretty things for my walls for only a year now and things have changed in that time.

It's hard to decide about who the 'real collectors/fans' are, if sales were to go down that route. Am I less worthy than someone who has 20 prints compared to my 7 to own a new Banksy? Or am I more of a 'collector' compared to someone who owns 2? What would be the way to decide?

Maybe a GCSE Collecting Art exam?

Money, space and taste control what we buy and this is different to everyone out there. I don't think these things should be used to decide who the 'true fans' are.
My worry is that people trying to pick up on the flippers could be picking up on new collectors/fans, it's a tricky time to be new to this game.

Much love.

PS Sorry if I've strayed on the topic, was just being brave and posting my ranting thoughts!

[holden]

manty said:

The good bit about this thread is that 2 people in Oz know about this kind of Art :-)

I dont think we should tell anymore though

I will not be alone, I might be on the other side of the country, but not alone

Lets hope we get at least 1 between the three of us

I might open a gallery in Perth, but need a few 100 signed banksys on consignment stock ( you dont get paid until they sell) PM me if your interested ;-)

Do you want a sydney partner? send me 50 of the stock...cheques in the post!