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Shipping Crate from US to UK, by pcant on Aug 2, 2011 21:40:02 GMT 1, I imagine it was a fluke, but they destroyed my Dusty from the last Bast release (they misclassified it as "hazardous," meaning they couldn't hold it for me at a nearby facility), were extremely difficult to get any info out of, I basically had to mildly threaten to examine my legal options before they would contact me, only then they were apologetic and such. I know accidents happen (this looked like two separate "accidents," to be fair), but they were unmoved by numerous pleas for more information on my part until after the fact.
Here's a pic:
I imagine it was a fluke, but they destroyed my Dusty from the last Bast release (they misclassified it as "hazardous," meaning they couldn't hold it for me at a nearby facility), were extremely difficult to get any info out of, I basically had to mildly threaten to examine my legal options before they would contact me, only then they were apologetic and such. I know accidents happen (this looked like two separate "accidents," to be fair), but they were unmoved by numerous pleas for more information on my part until after the fact. Here's a pic:
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Shipping Crate from US to UK, by pcant on Aug 2, 2011 21:12:59 GMT 1, Whatever you think is enough, double it. Get full insurance. Pray (if that's your thing, otherwise positive visualization). Perhaps don't use FedEx.
Whatever you think is enough, double it. Get full insurance. Pray (if that's your thing, otherwise positive visualization). Perhaps don't use FedEx.
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RAE โข "JEALOUS NEIGHBOR" โข PRINT, by pcant on Aug 1, 2011 19:33:19 GMT 1, Pretty cool, man, liking the energy.
Pretty cool, man, liking the energy.
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by pcant on Jul 30, 2011 20:25:45 GMT 1, As always, some lovely additions, y'all. Just got this yesterday (not sent via FedEx, so, you know, it arrived intact
As always, some lovely additions, y'all. Just got this yesterday (not sent via FedEx, so, you know, it arrived intact
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New BAST Prints up now!, by pcant on Jul 29, 2011 19:25:19 GMT 1, Martindk, that is downright stunning. And thanks, all, for your kind words. Bast is going to take care of me, and I am not letting FedEx get away with this. It made for a pretty grim day, though, showing up at work and seeing the tube in that condition. I'm amazed the delivery guy could hand it over with a straight face. On a slightly positive note: I guess the other folks who bought a Dusty now have an even more rare print, seeing as it's out of 6, not 7.
Martindk, that is downright stunning. And thanks, all, for your kind words. Bast is going to take care of me, and I am not letting FedEx get away with this. It made for a pretty grim day, though, showing up at work and seeing the tube in that condition. I'm amazed the delivery guy could hand it over with a straight face. On a slightly positive note: I guess the other folks who bought a Dusty now have an even more rare print, seeing as it's out of 6, not 7.
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Paintings of the month, by pcant on Jul 29, 2011 10:21:29 GMT 1, Beautiful work, JP, really beautiful.
Beautiful work, JP, really beautiful.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by pcant on Jul 29, 2011 7:56:16 GMT 1, arghhh! pcant - I was done...but you pulled me back in ;D the convergence of "sentimental value" and "market value" by true art lovers is not so uncommon???...these values "seem" to be talked about on here as always completely disconnected, but it can be much more complicated than that... let's say you unknowingly buy a fake piece of art at the top of the market because you loved the image and thought the "market value" paid was fair based on believed authenticity, price and your want (can drill deeper here, I know). You now find out it is not authentic - you've been duped and robbed; self-hate comes into play etc. etc. - you're just plain old pissed! - the emotions w/in you that arise are probably powerful and not primarily linked to the image you bought - the artist and the art piece itself becomes secondary matter "in your brain"...it turns out YOU were a factor...not just the art and "values" etc.... peace and love ;D I get what Bloom is saying, but I think what he's talking about is how marketing works, or how "hype" works on the brain. If someone enjoys a painting because it's worth a lot of money, then they don't enjoy it after finding out it's a forgery, did they really like the painting, or did they just like the cache of having an expensive painting? The description of the violinist in the subway station is a perfect example. If his music is less enjoyable if people don't know who he is, that says more about what we claim to value or enjoy (and how we're reacting to what we've been told) than it does about the quality of his music. And I think there's a clear distinction between objects with sentimental value and something with a market value.
Boaty: Sorry to pull you back in, wasn't my intent (I do think it's a fascinating discussion, however).
As far as sentimental value, I was referring to his discussion about certain items (baby shoes, wedding rings) that have a value that far exceeds "actual" value and that extra value is tied up in our emotions and memories (I wasn't even thinking about art, but you make an excellent point in that regard).
And as to your point about being angry if you discovered you had bought a forgery, surely that anger could transfer to the piece itself, or even the blank space on your wall where it used to be? If you got burned buying a fake, would you want the "real thing" on your wall or would it remind you of being burned?
Another thought occured to me after I posted earlier: Is the reverse true? Meaning, if you get a really good deal on a legitimate print, do you enjoy it more than if you paid more for it? My only Banksy is a BW U/S Trolleys, which I really love. I managed to get it about a year ago for a pretty good price (less than they are currently fetching, for sure). I love the piece, and I'm sure I'd love the image as much if I'd paid a couple hundred pounds more, but knowing that I bought at the "right time" for the secondary market brings me a little bargain-hunter joy.
Anyway, sorry to lure you back in, but it's a very intersting discussion.
Peace back at ya.
arghhh! pcant - I was done...but you pulled me back in ;D the convergence of "sentimental value" and "market value" by true art lovers is not so uncommon???...these values "seem" to be talked about on here as always completely disconnected, but it can be much more complicated than that... let's say you unknowingly buy a fake piece of art at the top of the market because you loved the image and thought the "market value" paid was fair based on believed authenticity, price and your want (can drill deeper here, I know). You now find out it is not authentic - you've been duped and robbed; self-hate comes into play etc. etc. - you're just plain old pissed! - the emotions w/in you that arise are probably powerful and not primarily linked to the image you bought - the artist and the art piece itself becomes secondary matter "in your brain"...it turns out YOU were a factor...not just the art and "values" etc.... peace and love ;D I get what Bloom is saying, but I think what he's talking about is how marketing works, or how "hype" works on the brain. If someone enjoys a painting because it's worth a lot of money, then they don't enjoy it after finding out it's a forgery, did they really like the painting, or did they just like the cache of having an expensive painting? The description of the violinist in the subway station is a perfect example. If his music is less enjoyable if people don't know who he is, that says more about what we claim to value or enjoy (and how we're reacting to what we've been told) than it does about the quality of his music. And I think there's a clear distinction between objects with sentimental value and something with a market value. Boaty: Sorry to pull you back in, wasn't my intent (I do think it's a fascinating discussion, however). As far as sentimental value, I was referring to his discussion about certain items (baby shoes, wedding rings) that have a value that far exceeds "actual" value and that extra value is tied up in our emotions and memories (I wasn't even thinking about art, but you make an excellent point in that regard). And as to your point about being angry if you discovered you had bought a forgery, surely that anger could transfer to the piece itself, or even the blank space on your wall where it used to be? If you got burned buying a fake, would you want the "real thing" on your wall or would it remind you of being burned? Another thought occured to me after I posted earlier: Is the reverse true? Meaning, if you get a really good deal on a legitimate print, do you enjoy it more than if you paid more for it? My only Banksy is a BW U/S Trolleys, which I really love. I managed to get it about a year ago for a pretty good price (less than they are currently fetching, for sure). I love the piece, and I'm sure I'd love the image as much if I'd paid a couple hundred pounds more, but knowing that I bought at the "right time" for the secondary market brings me a little bargain-hunter joy. Anyway, sorry to lure you back in, but it's a very intersting discussion. Peace back at ya.
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New BAST Prints up now!, by pcant on Jul 29, 2011 3:20:12 GMT 1, I've already been in touch with Bast's folks, who are very graciously sorting me out, just heartbreaking to see something so nice beaten like a rented mule. All props to Bast, unleash the hounds of derision on FedEx.
I've already been in touch with Bast's folks, who are very graciously sorting me out, just heartbreaking to see something so nice beaten like a rented mule. All props to Bast, unleash the hounds of derision on FedEx.
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New BAST Prints up now!, by pcant on Jul 29, 2011 2:52:01 GMT 1, Well, FedEx destroyed my Dusty. Way to go, idiots.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by pcant on Jul 28, 2011 22:04:35 GMT 1, I get what Bloom is saying, but I think what he's talking about is how marketing works, or how "hype" works on the brain. If someone enjoys a painting because it's worth a lot of money, then they don't enjoy it after finding out it's a forgery, did they really like the painting, or did they just like the cache of having an expensive painting? The description of the violinist in the subway station is a perfect example. If his music is less enjoyable if people don't know who he is, that says more about what we claim to value or enjoy (and how we're reacting to what we've been told) than it does about the quality of his music. And I think there's a clear distinction between objects with sentimental value and something with a market value.
I get what Bloom is saying, but I think what he's talking about is how marketing works, or how "hype" works on the brain. If someone enjoys a painting because it's worth a lot of money, then they don't enjoy it after finding out it's a forgery, did they really like the painting, or did they just like the cache of having an expensive painting? The description of the violinist in the subway station is a perfect example. If his music is less enjoyable if people don't know who he is, that says more about what we claim to value or enjoy (and how we're reacting to what we've been told) than it does about the quality of his music. And I think there's a clear distinction between objects with sentimental value and something with a market value.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by pcant on Jul 28, 2011 21:35:58 GMT 1, Looks like they've just posted a Queen Vic on eBay.
Looks like they've just posted a Queen Vic on eBay.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by pcant on Jul 28, 2011 19:45:26 GMT 1, Boaty, you've got a point, but I think the impact will be on the money, not the art. I mean, as many people have pointed out, if they can't afford a real HMV or Turf War, and they just really like the image, this is an option. On the other hand, art investors, who are at some point going to sell on for profit, it could cause some concern. I can't help but think Banksy would be on the side of the "I like it and want to hang it on my wall," not the "how much will it be worth" crowd. At least, I hope so.
Boaty, you've got a point, but I think the impact will be on the money, not the art. I mean, as many people have pointed out, if they can't afford a real HMV or Turf War, and they just really like the image, this is an option. On the other hand, art investors, who are at some point going to sell on for profit, it could cause some concern. I can't help but think Banksy would be on the side of the "I like it and want to hang it on my wall," not the "how much will it be worth" crowd. At least, I hope so.
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Get Dring Mobile 'pics added', by pcant on Jul 28, 2011 19:41:17 GMT 1, Was a bit confused as well. I'm afraid I read the thread title as an exhortation to purchase the services of a mobile phone company. But it's early and I haven't had enough espresso.
Was a bit confused as well. I'm afraid I read the thread title as an exhortation to purchase the services of a mobile phone company. But it's early and I haven't had enough espresso.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by pcant on Jul 28, 2011 19:38:19 GMT 1, I'm hoping they do a Rude Copper.
I'm hoping they do a Rude Copper.
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GUY DENNING - "PURGATORIO" - SEPT 8 - NYC 'POP-UP', by pcant on Jul 28, 2011 19:24:58 GMT 1, This is wonderful.
Quite stunning. Looking forward to seeing some more from this show.
This is wonderful. Quite stunning. Looking forward to seeing some more from this show.
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Mysterious Al ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Street Art, by pcant on Jul 28, 2011 18:56:43 GMT 1, this scene is becoming a bit repetitive this scene is becoming a bit repetitive
What he said.
this scene is becoming a bit repetitive this scene is becoming a bit repetitive What he said.
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by pcant on Jul 28, 2011 11:34:49 GMT 1, That is quite an impressive effect, manages to trick my eye repeatedly. If anyone's interested, he's got a show at the Shooting Gallery in San Francisco. Some canvases, some wood pieces that are actually three-dimensional.
shootinggallerysf.com/
That is quite an impressive effect, manages to trick my eye repeatedly. If anyone's interested, he's got a show at the Shooting Gallery in San Francisco. Some canvases, some wood pieces that are actually three-dimensional. shootinggallerysf.com/
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Banksy Print Release Per Year?, by pcant on Jul 28, 2011 7:33:18 GMT 1, Next one should be a treasure hunt. If you work out the clues they will lead you to somewhere in the world where you get the print. Would really test who wants one and if the clues were based on his previous work it would give his real fans an advantage
Unless it involves going to several countries. The airfare could be prohibitive. "I got the new Banksy and it only cost me $23,000"
Next one should be a treasure hunt. If you work out the clues they will lead you to somewhere in the world where you get the print. Would really test who wants one and if the clues were based on his previous work it would give his real fans an advantage Unless it involves going to several countries. The airfare could be prohibitive. "I got the new Banksy and it only cost me $23,000"
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Getting rid of crap... a.k.a. free stuff, by pcant on Jul 27, 2011 21:52:17 GMT 1, Yes indeed, many thanks Dellboy, a very nice gesture.
Yes indeed, many thanks Dellboy, a very nice gesture.
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Getting rid of crap... a.k.a. free stuff, by pcant on Jul 27, 2011 20:58:20 GMT 1, I'm in (after fingerz, of course)
I'm in (after fingerz, of course)
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Banksy Print Release Per Year?, by pcant on Jul 27, 2011 20:48:06 GMT 1, I think the opposite would happen, Silky. If he goes a long time between prints, then when that next one is released it'll be a scrum of epic proportions. I would guess the longer he goes between releases, the more tension builds in the market.
I think the opposite would happen, Silky. If he goes a long time between prints, then when that next one is released it'll be a scrum of epic proportions. I would guess the longer he goes between releases, the more tension builds in the market.
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The Last Good Time... PE show in XOYO, by pcant on Jul 27, 2011 20:03:42 GMT 1, Liking these, especially the Snoopy.
Liking these, especially the Snoopy.
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by pcant on Jul 26, 2011 19:45:12 GMT 1, (with the understanding that this will look bad in print): Lovely Phlegm you got there.
(with the understanding that this will look bad in print): Lovely Phlegm you got there.
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New Work from RAE, by pcant on Jul 26, 2011 19:04:18 GMT 1, Don't mean to be rude, but I think what you really mean is you don't like it and you're upset that others do. Why does it matter what any one else buys or likes? Is someone holding a gun to your head and making you buy Rae's art? And if you look back through the thread you can see (in my idiotic opinion, of course) an evolution of his work, suggesting he's developing a voice as an artist. I really like his work, dig the street pieces, and have a couple of his prints on my wall, so clearly I'm biased, but why does it bother you so much? You've spent money on Bast's prints because you like them. I've spent money on Rae's art because I like it. Isn't that the point?
Don't mean to be rude, but I think what you really mean is you don't like it and you're upset that others do. Why does it matter what any one else buys or likes? Is someone holding a gun to your head and making you buy Rae's art? And if you look back through the thread you can see (in my idiotic opinion, of course) an evolution of his work, suggesting he's developing a voice as an artist. I really like his work, dig the street pieces, and have a couple of his prints on my wall, so clearly I'm biased, but why does it bother you so much? You've spent money on Bast's prints because you like them. I've spent money on Rae's art because I like it. Isn't that the point?
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Fox news is proof you can argue with facts. True that.
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New BAST Prints up now!, by pcant on Jul 24, 2011 18:12:48 GMT 1, Did anyone in the U.S. run into problems with FedEx? I missed the delivery today and called them to try to get the tube held at my local FedEx office so I could pick it up, only to be told it contains hazardous material and they can't hold for me. I eventually arranged delivery at my office, but I'm completely confused as to the "hazardous materials" part. It's a Dusty, which, if I remember correctly, is one of the Plastisol prints. Could that have caused a problem? I've had lots of art delivered in tubes, several even by FedEx, and this is the first time I've heard anything like that. Maybe they have some equipment that detects solvents or something like that? My tube smells very nice ;D
I was wondering about that (although I've had some pretty fresh prints arrive where the tube definitely smelled of ink before). I'm trying to get some more answers out of FedEx, fingers crossed.
Did anyone in the U.S. run into problems with FedEx? I missed the delivery today and called them to try to get the tube held at my local FedEx office so I could pick it up, only to be told it contains hazardous material and they can't hold for me. I eventually arranged delivery at my office, but I'm completely confused as to the "hazardous materials" part. It's a Dusty, which, if I remember correctly, is one of the Plastisol prints. Could that have caused a problem? I've had lots of art delivered in tubes, several even by FedEx, and this is the first time I've heard anything like that. Maybe they have some equipment that detects solvents or something like that? My tube smells very nice ;D I was wondering about that (although I've had some pretty fresh prints arrive where the tube definitely smelled of ink before). I'm trying to get some more answers out of FedEx, fingers crossed.
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New BAST Prints up now!, by pcant on Jul 24, 2011 9:22:51 GMT 1, Did anyone in the U.S. run into problems with FedEx? I missed the delivery today and called them to try to get the tube held at my local FedEx office so I could pick it up, only to be told it contains hazardous material and they can't hold for me. I eventually arranged delivery at my office, but I'm completely confused as to the "hazardous materials" part. It's a Dusty, which, if I remember correctly, is one of the Plastisol prints. Could that have caused a problem?
I've had lots of art delivered in tubes, several even by FedEx, and this is the first time I've heard anything like that.
Did anyone in the U.S. run into problems with FedEx? I missed the delivery today and called them to try to get the tube held at my local FedEx office so I could pick it up, only to be told it contains hazardous material and they can't hold for me. I eventually arranged delivery at my office, but I'm completely confused as to the "hazardous materials" part. It's a Dusty, which, if I remember correctly, is one of the Plastisol prints. Could that have caused a problem?
I've had lots of art delivered in tubes, several even by FedEx, and this is the first time I've heard anything like that.
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New BAST Prints up now!, by pcant on Jul 23, 2011 19:59:36 GMT 1, Piggy looks great to me. Classic Bast and good to see the Pan Am logo making a return
Yeah, loving the Pan Am logo (I was actually on a trip to Europe lo those many years ago when PA went bankrupt. Flew home on a half-filled plane).
And if you're not feeling the Piggy love, I'll take it off your hands, bsimkin
Piggy looks great to me. Classic Bast and good to see the Pan Am logo making a return Yeah, loving the Pan Am logo (I was actually on a trip to Europe lo those many years ago when PA went bankrupt. Flew home on a half-filled plane). And if you're not feeling the Piggy love, I'll take it off your hands, bsimkin
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Your latest Art Purchase?, by pcant on Jul 22, 2011 18:03:50 GMT 1, On the wall
That was quick, looks great. Mine should be done soon, very excited.
On the wall That was quick, looks great. Mine should be done soon, very excited.
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Eine โข Change Print, by pcant on Jul 21, 2011 22:13:37 GMT 1, Finally back from the framer:
Finally back from the framer:
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