[a4mnt]

I still feel dirty knowing I queued up at Stolenspace alongside someone who went straight home and had listed and sold DFace's 'What Wars Are For' for 3 times the price in less than 4 hours of the gallery opening its doors.

[jB]

at least it's Friday

[ricosg11]

better call a waaaahbulance

[ABC]

Selling and swapping straight away is they same thing too. But then again this forum has plenty of members that flip on the bay straight away, hence all the lurkers

[Daniel Silk]

a4mnt said:

I still feel dirty knowing I queued up at Stolenspace alongside someone who went straight home and had listed and sold DFace's 'What Wars Are For' for 3 times the price in less than 4 hours of the gallery opening its doors.

Yeah, I know how ya feel it was pretty much the same at the Eyecons show in Brighton, I was in the Q for about 3 hours to get my Che ;D and then to see what must have bin about 30+ go on ebay over the next few weeks
I guess its just the way things are

[ABC]

sure is.

[manchestermike]

Silky... isn't there anything you can do about ZERO posters or low posters?

i.e. restricting certain sections of the forum maybe?

[victorwilliams]

it can be done I'm also a member of a vw forum which restricts access to the 'adult' section to members with over 100 posts quite funny really like an incentive to post more!! LOL

[jam]

manchestermike said:

Silky... isn't there anything you can do about ZERO posters or low posters?

i.e. restricting certain sections of the forum maybe?

Great idea manchestermike... I belong to an exotic car forum that does just that. I believe they mention in their rules when you sign up that you must participate in discussions in the general section with meaningful dialog (not running up your post total)to attain entry into the other sections. They also have a section that you can only get in if you are a paying member of the marquis club. Keeps out the trolls.

[romanywg]

Very good idea. Is this possible?

[slowmo]

Its kind of pointless. You could have found out about the dface print from here, w allcandy, stolenspace, dafec forum and dface's website. Really not worth worrying about restrictions.

[finsburyparkranger]

I think it is a very good idea. Wall candy might adopt it too in unity.

[ABC]

slowmo said:

Its kind of pointless. You could have found out about the dface print from here, w allcandy, stolenspace, dafec forum and dface's website. Really not worth worrying about restrictions.

Its not just about that print though its about discovering new talents and sharing with like minded collectors rather than people in it for nothing other than money.

[policeaware]

An interesting discussion. I'm not sure you can prevent those people that hang in the background purely to gather whats the next big thing for 'flipping'.

Members of all forums say nothing for months & then suddenly spring to life when a subject provokes them.

[Grafter]

I'm afraid it all comes down to basic rules of 'supply & demand'.
A good trader will do their research properly and look to deal in anything where the demand exceeds the limited supply. Be it limited edition prints or barbie dolls.

Unfortunatley, whilst these prints continue to be produced in small numbers there will always be flippers and general chancers hanging about looking to get in front of you.

The whole street art scene has now transended mere cult status and has more or less become mainstream. These artist's reputations will now only grow and their work will become even more collectable, making the problem even worse.

I, for one, would support any attempt by this board, or anyone else, to try to restrict the availability of prints to genuine fans, but realisticly can't think of any way to make that work.

[corblimeylimey]

It's a trickey one, it would be good if the works went to people who wanted them to keep rather than than wanted them to sell for the profit.

As soon as you start making some sort of closed club to those who've bought in the past and have a good none flipping track record it writes-off any newcomer to the scene from being involved, we were all newcomers once, and they're important for continued growth and interest in the scene.

[nikki27]

Have noticed no flippers managed to get there hands on the mantis print...
Thats how it should be.

[corblimeylimey]

nikki27 said:

Have noticed no flippers managed to get there hands on the mantis print...
Thats how it should be.

I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if we dont see one on ebay within a month.

[nikki27]

Be very intresting to see what it would make...
I thought a flipper would flip straight away for quick profit as seen with the dface print, (within the hour) If somebody bought it because they loved it but a month later something happend and they needed the cash, would you still class them as a flipper?

[Grafter]

Everyone's got their price and we can all appreciate how hard life is sometimes. I think what most people on this board object to is the outright blatant purchasing of these prints in order to turn a quick profit.

I, myself, have 3 kids to feed and believe me, if I fell on hard times and needed some cash, selling some of my art in order to help out would be a no-brainer...
Hopefully it won't ever come to that, but needs must....

[romanywg]

I'm also of the opinion that sometimes the print arrives and it's not quite the quality you like or the paper is not of a decent quality and weight. Also tastes change. I have a really good portfolio of works but sometimes the sheer quality of the better prints makes the lesser ones seem not so important anymore and therefore go out onto the open market to make way for other works.

[curiousgeorge]

nikki27 said:

Be very intresting to see what it would make...
I thought a flipper would flip straight away for quick profit as seen with the dface print, (within the hour) If somebody bought it because they loved it but a month later something happend and they needed the cash, would you still class them as a flipper?

Do people who buy Art/prints really live month to month??

I wish people were more honest about intentions, some of the reasons and that sellers actually expect folk to believe reasons for selling. That annoys me most!

As previously mentioned it's simply supply and demand. Myself personally my collection is 90% from the secondary market, something i am working on changing ;D

[buffin]

Very interesting discussion. I am new to this so be kind. Respect to all those that have been there from the beginning. You bought it because you liked it and thats how it should be.

I would love to own a Banksy but even an unsigned print is now out of my price range and the chances of being online at the right time to bag a new one is remote. I dislike the idea of buying a print just to sell for a profit. I buy what I like and can afford but is it wrong at a later date to try to trade/swop for my elusive Banksy? Answers on a postcard please.

Just to add to the discussion, would you still buy a new Banksy even if you didn't like it? (ok I know its not going to be anything other than brilliant).

[curiousgeorge]

"Just to add to the discussion, would you still buy a new Banksy even if you didn't like it? (ok I know its not going to be anything other than brilliant). "

Yip, of course (shoot me)

Why? to barter with for one i did like

[discoduster]

corblimeylimey said:

nikki27 said:

Have noticed no flippers managed to get there hands on the mantis print...
Thats how it should be.

I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if we dont see one on ebay within a month.

I got the impression that ppl buying AFD had to be known to Frankie via forums and such.

[stuey09]

Personally I think it comes down to the individuals moral judgement. If you've bought a picture, print or canvas, that doesn't meet your expectations and therefore decide to sell or swap it straight away then no problem, provided you don't try and rip someone off. The problem, as I see it, is the individual who purposely sets out to buy from an exhibition or a cheaper source such as PoW with the sole intention of putting it straight back out at a significant profit. However, there's no law against it so as I say, it's a matter of moral judgement. There's a great little community on this site and the way in which some members offer their pictures up as swaps or, as in the case of Mike recently, a better deal than they would get on the bay, is IMO the way forward.

[discoduster]

curiousgeorge said:

"Just to add to the discussion, would you still buy a new Banksy even if you didn't like it? (ok I know its not going to be anything other than brilliant). "

Yip, of course (shoot me)

Why? to barter with for one i did like

I shan't be queing for Festival.

[ABC]

curiousgeorge said:

nikki27 said:

Be very intresting to see what it would make...
I thought a flipper would flip straight away for quick profit as seen with the dface print, (within the hour) If somebody bought it because they loved it but a month later something happend and they needed the cash, would you still class them as a flipper?

Do people who buy Art/prints really live month to month??

I wish people were more honest about intentions, some of the reasons and that sellers actually expect folk to believe reasons for selling. That annoys me most!

As previously mentioned it's simply supply and demand. Myself personally my collection is 90% from the secondary market, something i am working on changing ;D

Not sure about others but for me Im on my 4th house in 8 years (Wannabe property developer) Each house has had a different decor which means different artwork, although I have changed my tastes over those years I've only off loaded a minimal amount of prints as I can't bring myself to get rid.

With my latest house things may change however, Ive got a very large extension to do in the next year or so, so the pull of the current value of prints could be the difference of re mortgaging 40k or selling a few prints. With me Id probably re mortgage
One thing Id never do however is buy a print knowing I didn't like it just to sell on.

[mcnuts]

abcollings said:

One thing Id never do however is buy a print knowing I didn't like it just to sell on.

did ya ever do that with a house

[corblimeylimey]

I've been thinking VERY seriously over the last few days about the future of my Banksy collection, the thing is I've just received a large garage bill and I know my car will be good for another 9 months or so then will need some money spending on it again, it's only worth £1000 tops, so it makes sense to sell it next spring. As I've already borrowed money to clear the credit card, in order for me to get a new (second hand) car I'll need to raise around £5000.

So there's the dilema, If I sold my existing 4 Banksy prints they'd raise around £3500 now, possibly even more by next spring, I'll really miss them though and I want to keep them. On the other hand I have other prints that aren't framed yet that could take their place and my car problems will be sorted out, I can't afford to take out another loan for the car which in effect will be like a loan to keep the prints

I've decided to look at the situation again next spring and make any decisions then, you never know I might win a car from the Fifth Gear competitions or win the lottery in the meantime, but I'm not holding my breath.